I'm assuming your a joke post?

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Can you say the same?

No, I didn't think so. Oh, the ones your printed our for yourself in an internet cafe don't count.

You just some vagrant agitator with delusions of being someone. Your a sorry excuse for a human being Perdue, and I get great mileage out of laughing at your repeated failures and foolishness in life.

Thanks for the back up Ciaran… god bless the Irish, we sure do know how to stick together

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Your silly postings are the death rattle of your kind.

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We have already learned that you Billy, lie repeatedly about your education on various US sites, and have attacked genuine gay rights organisation with your bile. My experience here is that Will has demonstrated his education, as has others like Sister Mary and Luke… you have clearly demonstrated the opposite.

Your attempt at slander only make you one bit more the pathetic retard you already are.

Try reading a book instead of lining your kennel with them.

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Luke…..you will never win trying to bait me, pretending that another Luke posted disparaging remarks, slurs and foul language. Its all the hallmark of YOU. I'm surprised you're not using another name entirely like some do on here to give the appearance that there are more on your side of an argument. So transparent.

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Petulantly, he said he'd never return but…

Do you know what I admire the most about Will, and about Wsilliam of Dublin? It's the fact that they both have TWO DEGREES,. Will got his online, breaking all records by getting both in a frenzy of scholarship in just under six weeks. He now has a doctorate in chiropractic nuclear dentistry and one in motel management. Wow. Impressive. And smart too, his IQ, which has been compared to that of a turnip with a severe truancy record, or with George Bush’s IQ, which amounts to the same thing. That's why Will is Tory scuzwad.

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While we're all suitably dazzled by your staggering command of the cut and paste feature on your PC to produce these numbingly repetitive and tired rants, its really rather tedious.

The only person here "to try to stop discussion" is you, with your childish insights to world politic decorated with endlessly repetitive insults.

Yawn.

These people here are not insulting you, there' telling you the truth about yourself. You're a sad and angry old fool, Perdue, and your day has come and gone without so much as anyone blinking at your direction.

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I’m getting the Tory "treatment", the favored tool of rancid ultra rightist piglets. Since they're clueless and incapable of political thought they start tossing mud. Just like the tired old shoats Luke and Ron, their job is to try to stop discussion, pulling it down with f personal attacks.

They jump up at odd times to attack Robert, anti-racists like Omar Kuddus and others who won't kowtow to the Tory party line.

Their problem is that they fail to impress. Their bullying is overplayed, predictable and inept, but they’re Tory/DUP dunces and tediously predictable.

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No one here mentioned "pretentious skinhead Tory politics", yet you deem it fit to add it into the conversation. You're either deluded or a liar. I suspect a bit of both. Most people here have made some good points, and they are entitled to speck their mind without your incipid and obnoxious presence. Will, who you berate, used facts and figures. Clearly you mind can comprehend these, I suspect probably due to alcohol or substance abuse.

I pray that you being gay is as far away as possible to me being gay. You're a disgrace to GLBT rights and freedom of speech.

And a freak.

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If bonehead national chauvinists like these three spent half the effort they put into their delusional hatred of Americans (it still smarts, after 200 years) on something worthwhile like the elimination of bigotry then maybe, just maybe, we could justify their use of our oxygen. But I doubt it. Their insular Tory divisiveness and total lack of international solidarity only benefits the bigots, which is why internalized homophobes like them do it.

And then there’s “Leroy”. Little Leroy pretends to be "amazed" at homophobia in the US. If he wants to see a real homophobe all he has to do is look in the mirror.

Will and rjb, in the US the differences between the clearly second class status of civil unions (which deny roughly 1,200 financial and other privileges available to married straight couples) and marriages are pretty stark and totally unacceptable. rjb, you’re wrong, states do not have to recognize same sex marriages from other states. Google it.

That's why we want federal laws giving all the rights of marriage to all citizens. Then the question of whether they're called marriages, civil partnerships or just shacking up is moot, because every one is equal. But until then it's not a quibble over semantics, it's a basic demand for equality.

Secondly, rjb, you’re way off base claiming that we initiated these ballot propositions. In California the Supreme Court struck down bigot laws preventing marriage equality. Then the cults, the moronians, the altar boy rapists and the evanjellyforbrains christers attacked us, not the other way around. They attacked, we defended. Why would you claim otherwise?

We are not likely to get anywhere without a mass movement that utilizes boycotts combined with large, angry, disruptive demonstrations as part of a constant and robust battle for equality. That’s because both parties are run by superstitious bigots like Obama and McCain.

Edward in LA, the reason we lost California, Florida, Arkansas and Arizona and even LA County was, first and foremost, the brazen bigotry of Obama and McCain and the supine refusal of Democrats to call him on it. Day in and day out throughout the campaign he said same sex marriage was a sin condemned by his 'god'.

That’s the meaning of ‘god’s in the mix’. That’s why we lost. He galvanized and mobilized the bigots who came out in droves to vote their bigotry.

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I'm British and I met my American partner whilst living in the States. We live in Britain now purely because there is no provision for her to sponsor me under US law.

Ex-pat Robert, not sure how you got into the States but you are luckier than most. When my temporary work visa expired the choices for me to stay in the States were: a) Try to get other temporary work visas for crappy, no-future jobs and hope one day I'd get to stay permanently, b) Marry an American man so he would sponsor me to stay or c) live there illegally. This is despite the fact that I am a University graduate with a professional background – for immigration purposes I would have to have an employer declare that no American could do the job they wanted to hire me for. Unsurprisingly I went for choice d) – moved back to Britain and sponsored my partner (now my civil partner) to come and join me there – in a country she'd barely been to before, leaving behind friends, family and the country she loved. Two years (and many sacrifices) later we both have good jobs and she has permanent leave to remain in the UK – we exercised our equal rights and it's all worked out. However, more than anything we want at least the option of returning to live together in the States.

I'm sorry, I really don't understand this insistence in the US that it's marriage or nothing. Civil partnerships give us the same rights as married couples and you don't have all the religious/cultural baggage that comes with the word 'marriage'. Many of my straight friends are angry that they can't choose a civil partnership rather than a wedding! Yes, I do believe people should be able to get married if they wish and I'm sure that over time that right will be added. But for now I'm pretty happy with the equal rights provided by civil partnership certificate.

Many of the civil partnered couples that I know refer to themselves as married and no-one argues with that – even David Cameron made a speech about supporting marriage where he specifically stated that he was including civil partnered couples in that term. Card shops in every high street in Britain carry congratulations cards featuring same-sex couples alongside the other wedding cards. You can even use a civil partnership certificate in the same way as a marriage certificate as proof of name change.

Robert, I think you've been away from Britain for too long. I have lived in both Britain and the States and attitudes to LGBT people vary in both countries. However, I have rarely encountered in Britain the religion-fuelled intolerance and hatred that is so prevalent in certain parts of America. Against that backdrop I just don't see how anyone (even Obama with his popularity and senate majority) could push through legislation legalising same-sex marriage on a federal level. The best we can hope for right now is an American equivalent to civil partnerships, and even passing that is going to be unpopular.

I really hope that Obama makes passing civil union legislation (giving the same rights and responsibilities as marriage) an early priority. Individual states can pass as much marriage/civil union legislation as they like, only when it's passed federally will LGB people in places like Mississippi and Texas be afforded the same rights and protections as those lucky enough to live in places like Vermont and New York. Only when it's passed federally will bi-national couples like my partner and I be recognised under US immigration law. And only when it's passed federally will US citizens across the country be forced to realise that gay couples do exist everywhere, that we are just ordinary people, often living quietly in committed relationships, and that we are only asking for equal rights to everyone else.

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At least in this country we make one law, not 52 separate ones.

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And speaking of little bitches, "you lost", you top the list.

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By the way, the list of donors for banning marriage is found at:
http://www.californiansagainsthate.com/dishonorRoll.html

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