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Tell me, were and how did "natural selection, evolution, etc."
start. How was it created? You live by faith and prove nothing to prove the origination of your theory. Tell me how did first life
begin? Where did the "ingredients" come from that were necessary
for life to be created? You are just as big a phoney as you
say creationints are — you have no proof of the origin of anything
you belive! You accept by faith that it all makes sense.

You cannot accept facts unless they conform to your belief system
Math looks at DNA: What are the mathematical possibilities of
just one DNA molecule having formed itself by chance?
The number of possible code combinations for an average DNA
molecule is a fabulously large number. That's not 4000, but 4 times itself a thousand times — a little more than 100 X602 power. How could random action produce the right combination out
of that many possibiities for error? Mathematically speaking,
it could not happen even with your "powerful natural selection."
No flapjack, Mathematics has killed your theory and it's only
a matter of years before Creationism, Intelligent Design is
the standard for understanding creation of the universe, life,
and mankind. Evolution is dying fast.

I know "you can't handle the truth, " as Jack Nicholson said,
so don't even answer my comment. because whatever you say won't
stand up the the growing truth that shows my God is creator of
all things.

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Oh the irony it burns! The evidence for evolution by natural selection is spread all over the globe in the rock strata. If you don't believe me read Richard Dawkins, and not the creationist b*ll*cks you've been reading exclusively. Chapter 4 of "The God Delusion" blows everything you've said up to this point clean out of the water. Just because we haven't accounted for every single organism in existance, doesn't mean to say that it doesn't work where fossils have been found. Transitional fossils abound, but when each new fossil appears and plugs a gap in the fossil record, creationists don't see a new clue to the origins of life, they see two holes where there was one before.
The only reason creationism got a foothold in the States is that many people in the Bible belt are as badly informed as yourself. Evolution is a theory in the same way gravity is, i.e. all available evidence points to it, and until something better comes along it's doing just fine thankyou.
"Three years ago, a U.K. anthropology professor appeared before a planning commission to urge that AiG not be granted rezoning on a piece of property for a Creation Museum and headquarters, even though the museum is to be built on private property with private funds (so much for academic freedom!) The professor—who lives and works a few counties away—was described as a “carpetbagger” for driving up and attempting to influence a local decision. Over the past three years, two other UK evolutionary professors have engaged in creation versus evolution debates on public television. (WHAT IS HE SO AFRAID OF?)"

He's afraid of the lunatics taking over the asylum. As it happens I'm well aware of this creationist museum, where animatronic dinosaurs cavort with the animatronic humans that didn't appear on the planet until billions of years after the former went extinct. As many in the scientific community pointed out, these people seem to be under the impression that "The Flintstones" was a historical documentary. So if you want that level of scientific rigour applied in science classes, just to even things out I suggest inviting atheists into all RE classes to "Teach the controversy" as Ben Stein and his assorted spin-doctors call it. Truth isn't a democracy. It has to be tested against hard fact. Period.
Just because I have to snuff it in order to prove you wrong beyond any doubt, it doesn't make you right by default. See Bertrand Russell's teapot for why. Anyhow, i'm bored debating this with you ad-nauseam, so please feel free to debate it with yourself. I'm off to do more constructive stuff with my time.

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Professors at the University of Kentucky in Lexington—only about 70 miles south of AiG’s headquarters near Cincinnati—have been increasingly vocal in their opposition to creationist beliefs.
Three years ago, a U.K. anthropology professor appeared before a planning commission to urge that AiG not be granted rezoning on a piece of property for a Creation Museum and headquarters, even though the museum is to be built on private property with private funds (so much for academic freedom!) The professor—who lives and works a few counties away—was described as a “carpetbagger” for driving up and attempting to influence a local decision. Over the past three years, two other UK evolutionary professors have engaged in creation versus evolution debates on public television. (WHAT IS HE SO AFRAID OF?)

It is now well documented that discrimination against creationists is serious and widespread. In the words of Hull:
‘Most scientists are only dimly aware of the various “anti-science” systems of belief now widespread [including] … politically dangerous movements such as creationism … . We protect ourselves by never letting these mutually exclusive beliefs surface at the same time. For example, the constellation of religious fundamentalism and creationism is often combined with a high regard for high tech. Many creationists’ tracts are tapped out on extremely expensive personal computers. Creationists are able to accept and reject the physics that makes these machines possible as the occasion demands. There is no God, and Mary is His mother.
Braun summarised the problem as follows:
‘… hardy believers in creation … have been heaped with scorn and ridicule. Evolutionists dominated the field so securely that creationists were fired, denied tenure and denied advanced degrees with impunity in public schools and universities
Scientific creationists are facing the most serious attack, especially in academia. Haney reports that:
‘It appears from various reports reaching this office, that a trend is developing in the halls of Academe … that Liberalism’s great contribution to American education, namely “Academic Freedom” has become a victim of incest, having been raped by its own sires … . [A] former Louisiana State Senator … said instances [of] … pro-creationism professors and teachers … being dismissed have begun to proliferate in the past ten years … highly-qualified educators denied tenure or otherwise discriminated against simply because they hold views or engage in activities which oppose the tenets of … [evolutionism].

There’s no question in my mind that in less than 30 years people who believe in evolution will be viewed as non-scientific, non-intellectuals, just as they have been portraying Creationists and Intelligent Design belivers.

You're part of a dying belief system.

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How do you account for the fact that our educational system
(Universities and public schools) prevents the teaching of
Creationism or Intelligent Design on the same level as
evolution (Even they're both considered as theories?)
Our universities even fire professors if they write or discuss
any form of Creationism, or Intelligent Design. It's because
evolutionists are afraid to accept the challenge of their
beliefs when facts are offered, There are many scientific
principles which are violated by the claims of that theory,
in the areas of astronomy, biology, geology, physics,
paleontology, and several other fields. The are not tolerant
of anything that might disprove the evolution theory.

The first thing different is the Bible's historical evidence and accuracy compared with other religious books. All major religions except Christianity are a result of "one man's one revelation at one time;" the Bible consists of works from 40 men over 1,500 years. Several revelations are recorded throughout the Bible, long before Jesus was born and even after he died by crucifixion.

The second thing is the martyrdom of those who were the first followers of Jesus (also known as Apostles or The Twelve). Some may argue that all the eyewitness accounts of Jesus' resurrection were "made up" or "created" by these Apostles since a large portion of the evidence for the Resurrection comes from their testimony. Judas is the one who handed Jesus over to the Jewish leaders, but out of the other 11, at least 10 of them were martyred for their teachings about Jesus.

It is said that people will die for what they believe to be true (even if it is not true), but they will never die for what they know to be a lie. It is not logical to say that all those men died for something they "made up" and knew to be a lie.

The third thing different is the fact that Jesus fulfilled 61 prophecies all written at least 400 years earlier. A scientific study was conducted to estimate the probability of that happening. The probability of one person (any time from the beginning of time to the present) fulfilling just 8 of those prophecies is 1 in 10^17 (1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000). The probability of fulfilling even 48 of them is 1 in 10^153 – I'm not even going to type out 153 zeros.

Those three differences are the most convincing among the many. Below are a few more;

These are distinctive to Christianity:
The Bible claims to be inspired by God (compared to other books).
Only Jesus claimed to be God (compared to other religious figures).
Religion is man's attempt to reach God; Jesus is God's attempt to reach man (Jesus is not a religion, but a person).
Salvation is assured through a relationship, love, and devotion to Jesus; there is no "maybe" or "probably" – it is guaranteed.
The belief that God is part of everything all around us – the sense of closeness.

The promise that God sends His Holy Spirit to dwell in us, giving us power to live as He asks, since we cannot do it on our own.
Belief is based on documented truth rather than emotions.
Not a "white man's religion" (as accused by some Native Americans); Jesus wasn't even white, as many people think. He was a dark-skinned Easterner and Christianity is rooted in the Eastern world.

One last thought – where do other religions come from then? The Bible accounts for this – as people turned away from God (as early as the first chapters of Genesis), they made up and followed other beliefs (based on their own free will to do so). In Old Testament times, other religions formed were based on Baal or Asherah poles, as a couple examples. Today, the tradition of those who choose not to follow God continues with other religions and practices (such as Buddhism and Islam, to name a couple prevalent ones), and even the simple lack of religion or practice (which is what I'm led to believe atheism is).

This is what makes God real to me and why I choose to put faith in Him. I don't practice a religion called Christianity; rather, I experience a personal relationship with Jesus Christ
who is also God.

Most people who call themselves Christians have no real idea what “true Christianity”
is about. They follow some religious principles, do some form of worshiping , say
some meaningless prayers, and never study in depth what Jesus Christ preached and
what His followers have given us in the Holy Bible. I consider myself to be of the most
rewarded by being chosen by God to be one of His children and to eventually see Him
as He truly is in heaven when I die.

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Maybe because religious lobbyists spend so much time hoisting their right wing political agendas on the rest of us, which we believe to be inherently false and furthermore damaging to our basic human rights. You may as well ask "why do religious types spend so much time debabting creationism if they know it's true?" That's a non-argument unless you take the view "never argue with a stupid person as onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
When it comes to the possibility of God’s existence, the Bible
says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence,
but they have suppressed the truth about God.
On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is
there, He says, “You will seek me and find me; when you
seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you. Before
you look at the facts surrounding God’s existence, ask
yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know Him?"

I can give you some rational, logical reasons to consider if
you want to open your mind to new ideas."

Thanks but as I already said, been there done that, got the T-shirt. Rejected on the grounds of supremely shaky evidence, even before we tackle the issue of god's own dubius morals as described in lurid detail all across the Old Testament. As for what relevence Zeus and Co have to the debate, just remember, that it's not simply "Christianity vv atheism". There are hundreds of religions in the world past and present, so even in the unlikely event you can prove a creator, you still have to choose him from about 200 potential candidates past and present, each of whom have representatives claiming they are the "one true way". That one religion might assert this louder than all the others doesn't change the fact that Pascal's wager is a long way from being a 50/50 "atheists vv Christianity" proposition.

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Your response to my saying, “ Yes, I believe in Adam & Eve.” and you say, “which should read "yes, I'm a complete idiot who cannot separate superstition from reality"“What a goose you are Hank.

OK Tom, please give me your explanation to the following:
The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer, who created our universe but
sustains it.
The earth…its size is perfect. The Earth’s size and corresponding gavity holds a thin layer
of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth’s
surface If Earth was smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury.
If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is
the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to
sustain plant, animal and human life (HOW DID YOUR ‘WORLD-CREATOR’ know
these specific combinations would produce the results that exist?

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals,
minerals, and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallerst
blood vessels. Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the
substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and
used by the body. (HOW DID YOUR ‘WORD-CREATOR’ know this? Did it use
trial and error until it “got it right?”

Your brain holds and processes all our emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same
time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing
pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
(HOW DID YOUR ‘WORLD-CREATER’ figure this out since there is no other
pattern that is known to exist to copy to make it all happen?

Also, “YOUR NATURAL CAUSE CREATOR” is inadequate to explain all the precise
information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the
conclusion that ll of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely
“good fortune.” It’s intellectually deficient to observe intricate design and attribute

it to luck.

What is it about atheists that you would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting
something that you don’t believe even exists? What causes you to do that”

I have many more questions to you to answer about the existence of the world and about
humans – their present living, and the hereafter.

Jesus Christ existed, there’s all types of historical proof to show what life He lived, the
miracles he performed, and the eternal message He gave to mankind. It’s all in
many manuscripts that cannot be denied logically.

I'd like to hear your response to the above.

Atheism and evolution is an empty belief/theory that holds no hope for mankind. I have hundreds of facts that refutes evolution and will list them if you want.

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The above definitions apply to “today’s world.”
But regarding incest during ancient days, you have to look at the earliest and deepest meaning regarding incest..
The Bible makes it clear that Adam was “the first man” God did not start by making a
whole group of men. Eve was made from Adam’s rib – this was a unique event. Jesus
(Matt: 19:4- 6) uses this historical and one-time event as the doctrinal foundation for
marriage of one man to one woman.

Even though only 3 sons (Cain, Abel and Seth) were part of the first generation of
children ever born on this earth, Adam and Eve had other children . In Genesis 5:4, a
statement sums up the life of Adam and Eve – “And the days of Adam after he had
fathered Se th, were 800 years. And he fathered sons and daughters. Many could have
been born in the 130 years before Seth was born. The number of Adam’s children, as
says the old tradition, was 33 sons and 23 daughters. The Bible doesn’t tell us how
many children were born to Adam and Eve, however, considering their long life
spans (Adam lived for 930 years, Gen. 5:5) it would seem reasonable to suggest
there WERE MANY! Remember, they were commanded to “BE fruitful , and
multiply) Gen. 1:28

Many people immediately reject the conclusion that Adam and Eve’s sons and daughters
married ech other by appealing to the law against brother-sister intermarriage. Some say
that you cannot marry your relation. Actually, if you don’t marry your relations, you
don’t marry a human! A wife is related to her husband even before they marry because
ALL people are descendants of Adam and Eve – all ARE ONE BLOOD.
The law forbidding marriage between close relatives was not given until the time
of Moses (Lev. 18:20) Provided marriage was one man to one woman for life (based
on Gen. 1 & 2), there was no disobedience to God’s law originally when close
relatives (even brothers and sisters) married each other. Today, brothers and sisters are not permitted by law to marry because their children have an unacceptably high risk of being deformed. The more closely the parents are related, the more likely it is that any offspring will be deformed. There’s a very sound genetic reason for such laws. Adam and Even did not have accumulated genetic mistakes. When the first two people were created, they were physically perfect. Everything God made was “Very good.” so their genes were PERFECT –no mistakes, so intermarriage was not an issue. But when sin entered the world, God cursed the world so
that the perfect creation then began to degenerate – so over thousands of years, this
degeneration has produced all sorts of genetic mistakes in living things (humans and animals)

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You state:”Can you tell me why you believe in Yahweh, Adam Eve and Satan but presumably choose not to believe in Thor, Wotan, Anubis, Zeus, Apollo or any of the other gods that mankind once "knew" existed?
Sorry but whenever this one comes up, it's like hearing kids say "of course there's no Easter Bunny, I know mum and dad plant chocolate eggs in the garden, but Santa exists, cause I saw him at the local Department store".
What do “your gods” have to do with creation of the universe, the first man, good and evil, conscience, sin,
punishment for evil deeds, rewards for good deeds, the future of the world, and many other important
questions that mankind has?
Jupiter (Greek Zeus) king of the gods and the god of thunder and lightening, was the son of Saturn
(Greek Kronos) and Rhea (Ops to the Romans) Zeus lived and held court onf Mt. Olympus with the 12
Olympians, Zeus, Hera (Juno), Poseidon (Neptune), Demeter (Ceres), Apollo, Artemis, Ares (Mars), Hephasetus, Aprodite (Venus) Hemes (Mercury), Athene and Hades (Pluto)

So what do all these gods have to do what Yahweh says about Himself and His creations?

If a person opposes even the possibilty of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It’s
like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on
the moon, then no amount of information is going to change
their thinking. Photographs of astronauts waking on the moon,
interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks, all the
evidence would be worthless, because the person has already
concluded that people cannot go to the moon.

When it comes to the possibility of God’s existence, the Bible
says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence,
but they have suppressed the truth about God.
On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is
there, He says, “You will seek me and find me; when you
seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you. Before
you look at the facts surrounding God’s existence, ask
yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know Him?

I can give you some rational, logical reasons to consider if
you want to open your mind to new ideas.

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You state:”Can you tell me why you believe in Yahweh, Adam Eve and Satan but presumably choose not to believe in Thor, Wotan, Anubis, Zeus, Apollo or any of the other gods that mankind once "knew" existed?
Sorry but whenever this one comes up, it's like hearing kids say "of course there's no Easter Bunny, I know mum and dad plant chocolate eggs in the garden, but Santa exists, cause I saw him at the local Department store".
What do “your gods” have to do with creation of the universe, the first man, good and evil, conscience, sin,
punishment for evil deeds, rewards for good deeds, the future of the world, and many other important
questions that mankind has?
Jupiter (Greek Zeus) king of the gods and the god of thunder and lightening, was the son of Saturn
(Greek Kronos) and Rhea (Ops to the Romans) Zeus lived and held court onf Mt. Olympus with the 12
Olympians, Zeus, Hera (Juno), Poseidon (Neptune), Demeter (Ceres), Apollo, Artemis, Ares (Mars), Hephasetus, Aprodite (Venus) Hemes (Mercury), Athene and Hades (Pluto)

So what do all these gods have to do what Yahweh says about Himself and His creations?

If a person opposes even the possibilty of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It’s
like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on
the moon, then no amount of information is going to change
their thinking. Photographs of astronauts waking on the moon,
interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks, all the
evidence would be worthless, because the person has already
concluded that people cannot go to the moon.

When it comes to the possibility of God’s existence, the Bible
says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence,
but they have suppressed the truth about God.
On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is
there, He says, “You will seek me and find me; when you
seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you. Before
you look at the facts surrounding God’s existence, ask
yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know Him?

Do you have a desire to look at ideas that conflict with your
viewpoint, or have you closed off any possibility to consider
ideas that great thinkers have to offer, even if they are
opposite of yours?

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Evolutionists often falsely accuse creationists of believing in a
flat earth. But neither history nor modern scholarship supports
the claim that Christians every widely believed that the Earth
was flat, And the Holy Bible doesn't teach it.

Christianity has often been held responsibe for promoting the
flat earth theory. Yet is was only a handful of so-called intellectural scholars throughout the centuries , claiming to
represent the Church, who helf to a flat Earth. Most of those
were ignored by the Church, yet somehow their writings made it
into early history books as being the official Christian viewpoint.

The earlies of those flat earth promoters was the African Lactantiue (AD 245-325), professional rhetoricain who converted
to Christianity in mid-life.
He rejected allt he Greek philosophers and in doing so also
rejecteda spherical Earth. His views were considered heresy by the
Church Fathers and his work was ignored until the Renaissance (at
which time some humanists revived his writings as a model of good
Latin, and of course, his flat Earth view was also revived).

Nex was the sixty century Eastern Greek Christian Cosmas Indicopleustes, who claimed the Earth was flat. His work was also
soundly rejected by the Church Fathers, but liberal historians
have usually claimed his view as typical of that of the
Church Fathers.

In 1834, the anti-Christian Letronne falsely claimed that most of
the Church Fathers, including Augustine, Ambrose and Basil, held to
a flat Earth. His work has been repeatedly cited as "reputable"
every since.
There are many more people who falsely promoted the flath
Earth statement to Church Fathers — all have been rejected when
reliable follow-up was done..

The idea that the earthis flat is a modern concotion that reached
its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible.

In fact, not only did the Church not promote the flat Earth, it's
clear from such passages as Isaish 40:22 that the Bible implies
it is spherical.

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Just a brief answer to your last comment because I've got a lot
more to say about your other topics.

You state: I gave the Bible 15 years of my life, and in return
it left me condused and unable to function as a social human
beings.

If you were able to handle all the comples issues of the Holy
Bible "on your own" without contacting expets who have devoted
50+ years of their lives, studied Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin,
understood the Aprocryha, Quman Scrolls, Pseudepigrapha, then you
have not gone far enough to grasp the total truth of the Holy
Bible.
How many of these great books andmen have you studied to truly get the most understanding of the Holy Bible.?
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1. Holy Bible, English Standard Version. Newer translation that is excellent in many ways.

2. The Precious Things of God, by Octavius Winslow. No book more relishes in the preciousness of the eternal things. I’ll give a fuller recommendation later in the week.

3. The Everlasting Righteousness, by Horatius Bonar. Many great books have been written on justification (how sinners are made right with God). But this one, written over a century ago, is my favorite, the most passionate and the most quotable.

4. The Knowledge of the Holy, by A.W. Tozer. “Low views of God destroy the gospel for all who hold them.” Fabulous book for those who want a grand view of God. A tiny book with a heavy message.

5. The Glory of Christ (Vol. 1 of Works), by John Owen. Few things are better than to look at the depth of Christ’s beauty. Though Owen is not easy to read he is very valuable.

6. George Whitefield, 2 vols., by Arnold Dallimore. This is my favorite biography ever. Very readable. This set of books will inflame a desire to be extinguished for Christ.

7. The New Park Street Pulpit (1855-1860), 6 vols., by C.H. Spurgeon. The early sermons of the greatest preacher in church history. All of his books and sermons are recommended but these volumes are especially precious. There is a youthful zeal to the early sermons.

8. The Works of John Bunyan, 3 vols., by John Bunyan. Bunyan was an uneducated man who was imprisoned for his non-conformist preaching of the gospel. Few have plumbed the depths of the human heart deeper than him. He remains one of the greatest preachers and maybe the most famous writer (The Pilgrims Progress) in church history. These three volumes contain all of his works and require diligence and patience. To the patient these volumes contain a lifetime of treasures!

9. The Letters of Samuel Rutherford, by Samuel Rutherford. Rutherford, in my opinion, is one of the most overlooked Puritan authors. He wrote so many beautiful books and preached so many Christ-exalting sermons yet few are in print. This collection of beautiful letters was written with great spiritual insight. The Banner of Truth just released an unabridged version unavailable for many years. It will be of great use for pastors wondering how to address the Cross to specific pastoral situations.

10. Spurgeon by Arnold Dallimore. My favorite biographer (Dallimore) + my Christian “hero” (Spurgeon) = a classic! Spurgeon focused on preaching, caring for widows and orphans, training pastors for the future, etc. A man who extinguished himself for the gospel!

11. Communion with God (Vol. 2 of Works), by John Owen. Deep scholarship with a burning affection for Christ. How do we relate and respond to God personally? This is the question that he answers thoroughly.

12. The Works of Jonathan Edwards, 2 vols., by Jonathan Edwards. The greatest American theologian. These two works contain many of his best sermons and books. A lifetime of eternal gems are here contained for the patient reader. Though I also recommend preachers purchase a few of the Yale edition volumes (Donald Whitney especially suggests vol. 14).

13. Jonathan Edwards: A Life by George M. Marsden. A fabulous biography whose author shows tremendous spiritual sensitivity while looking at the life of America’s great theologian/preacher.

14. God’s Passion for His Glory by John Piper and Jonathan Edwards. Not one of Edward’s easiest books to work through but a very powerful one. God does everything for Himself. Gets to the heart of the most important reality we can ever comprehend – that God loves nothing more than Himself. (A special thanks to my friend Rick Gamache for his editing of the book).

15. The Holiness of God by R.C. Sproul. A classic book that allows the heaviness of God to come down upon the reader.

16. Transforming Grace by Jerry Bridges. A transforming book.

17. The Message of the Old Testament: Promises Made by Mark Dever. A new book of Dever’s sermon manuscripts covering a broad and sweeping overview of the Old Testament. This book has drawn the Old Testament together for me in great ways. I now see the cohesive big picture like never before!

If you've exhausted all these great sources and still confusted,
I don't know what else to offer, except prayer that your mind
will be cleared and you'll do more study before giving up.

I've got much more to offer in your earlier comment, but I want
to be briedl in each of my offerings so pepole don't get
discouraged from reading my entire comment.
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18. The Confessions by Augustine (Maria Boulding translation). Great classic and from what I am told this is the first true autobiography in history. In this book a sinner’s soul is honestly opened for all to see.

19. Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem. I like Reymond, Erickson and others, but this is my favorite systematic. I also really like what Jeff Purswell did in editing it into the book Bible Doctrine.

20. Lectures to My Students by C.H. Spurgeon. No pastor should be allowed to lead a church who has not read it at least 10 times.

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which should read "yes, I'm a complete idiot who cannot separate superstition from reality"

What a goose you are Hank

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