Comments on: Gay people expect discrimination in all walks of life http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:06:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29611 Sister Mary Clarence Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:06:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29611 Councillor Joan McTigue is far too busy getting suspended for breaching Middlesborough Council's code of conduct and getting nasty letters from the Borough Solicitor for accepting improper gifts to be surfing Pinknews of an afternoon.Did she complain then ed? Councillor Joan McTigue is far too busy getting suspended for breaching Middlesborough Council's code of conduct and getting nasty letters from the Borough Solicitor for accepting improper gifts to be surfing Pinknews of an afternoon.Did she complain then ed?

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]]> By: editor http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29612 editor Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:30:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29612 Comments previously posted on this page under the name Councillor Joan McTigue of Middlesbrough were NOT placed on PinkNews.co.uk by her and do not reflect her views. Comments previously posted on this page under the name Councillor Joan McTigue of Middlesbrough were NOT placed on PinkNews.co.uk by her and do not reflect her views.

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29613 Dominick J. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:54:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29613 Dear friends, William and Luke,I don't mean to cast aspersions on anyone. I have read Bills comments and from your comments I don't even know why you would even engage him in any type of dialogue knowing him. It's just not productive and name calling isn't going to change him it only brings you down to his level.I would suggest Shunning him and hopefully he'll leave. Dear friends, William and Luke,I don't mean to cast aspersions on anyone. I have read Bills comments and from your comments I don't even know why you would even engage him in any type of dialogue knowing him. It's just not productive and name calling isn't going to change him it only brings you down to his level.I would suggest Shunning him and hopefully he'll leave.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29614 William - Dublin Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:32:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29614 Thanks Luke buddy, I'm sick to the back teeth of that retarded gimp and his right wing fascist crap on Ireland. Bill Perdue is the reason gay bashing happens.And to you, Dominick J., Bill Perdue, supports a extremist fringe terrorist organisation like the IRA and has consistently shown himself to be a ill-informed and a racist. Bill, I might add, has never set foot in Ireland, and as such, he is an insult to me and all real Irish people. Unless you agree with him that the good people of Omagh deserved to be blown 5 ways to Christmas in support of Irish "unity", I suggest you read his comments before you cast aspersions on me. The term "idiot" is not an insult to Bill, its a moniker he seems to wear with absolute pride. To say that Bill is an uneducated idiot and a stuttering fool is simply stating the obvious, nothing more. Thanks Luke buddy, I'm sick to the back teeth of that retarded gimp and his right wing fascist crap on Ireland. Bill Perdue is the reason gay bashing happens.And to you, Dominick J., Bill Perdue, supports a extremist fringe terrorist organisation like the IRA and has consistently shown himself to be a ill-informed and a racist. Bill, I might add, has never set foot in Ireland, and as such, he is an insult to me and all real Irish people. Unless you agree with him that the good people of Omagh deserved to be blown 5 ways to Christmas in support of Irish "unity", I suggest you read his comments before you cast aspersions on me. The term "idiot" is not an insult to Bill, its a moniker he seems to wear with absolute pride. To say that Bill is an uneducated idiot and a stuttering fool is simply stating the obvious, nothing more.

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]]> By: Luke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29615 Luke Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:05:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29615 Dominick J., Bill is the most obnoxious poster on this board by a factor of 10.He has a history of racism against the English, bigotry against, well, every group that may not share his Marxist fantasies and misrepresenting the views of regular posters here in the most offensive fashion.Several here have picked up on this and reply in a way that we wouldn't do to anyone merely for having a different opinion.It has proved impossible to debate with Bill on any serious level and so his idiotic views of world politics deserve to be ridiculed.William-Dublin has taken him apart on several occasions for his support of the IRA and other comments on the evil "English colonialists" and hopefully will continue to do so.I wouldn't want a casual reader here to think that Bill's posts get a free pass or represent anything other than an extreme view. Dominick J., Bill is the most obnoxious poster on this board by a factor of 10.He has a history of racism against the English, bigotry against, well, every group that may not share his Marxist fantasies and misrepresenting the views of regular posters here in the most offensive fashion.Several here have picked up on this and reply in a way that we wouldn't do to anyone merely for having a different opinion.It has proved impossible to debate with Bill on any serious level and so his idiotic views of world politics deserve to be ridiculed.William-Dublin has taken him apart on several occasions for his support of the IRA and other comments on the evil "English colonialists" and hopefully will continue to do so.I wouldn't want a casual reader here to think that Bill's posts get a free pass or represent anything other than an extreme view.

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29616 Dominick J. Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:18:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29616 To WIlliam-Dublin, your name calling of Bill is really uncalled for. I think it was Aristotle or Shaw who declared "Once it comes to calling names the argument is pretty much at an end." To WIlliam-Dublin, your name calling of Bill is really uncalled for. I think it was Aristotle or Shaw who declared "Once it comes to calling names the argument is pretty much at an end."

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29617 Sister Mary Clarence Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:13:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29617 Jen - I agree entirely with you, but that's my whole point, the Lib Dems have all the time in the world to worry about all the 'dressing'. They never get a chance to deal with all the really big stuff a government has to deal with, managing the economy, the welfare state, foreign policy, the environmental impact of global warming, whatever.They can cherry pick what they want to focus on and they can come up with all manner of popularist polices that they know that they will never be in a position to impliment. If one of the major parties takes on board any of their ideas, then they're quids in.Its win, win, win for the Libs Dems (apart from at the polls of course). Jen – I agree entirely with you, but that's my whole point, the Lib Dems have all the time in the world to worry about all the 'dressing'. They never get a chance to deal with all the really big stuff a government has to deal with, managing the economy, the welfare state, foreign policy, the environmental impact of global warming, whatever.They can cherry pick what they want to focus on and they can come up with all manner of popularist polices that they know that they will never be in a position to impliment. If one of the major parties takes on board any of their ideas, then they're quids in.Its win, win, win for the Libs Dems (apart from at the polls of course).

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]]> By: Jen http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29618 Jen Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:23:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29618 Sister Mary is half right - some of the gains we've had on LGBT rights in the last decade have been foisted on us by the EU, in the face of Labour and Tory opposition. When are those two going to do the decent thing and marry -- er I mean get into coalition?The rest of the LGBT rights we've seen enacted though have been Lib Dem initiatives that Labour has blocked when unveiled, voted down, called unworkable, delayed, and then passed into law and demanded the credit. Cheeky swines. Civil Partnerships were drafted by the Lib Dem peer Lord Lester, the smoking ban which will do more than almost anything else to improve our often pub-based community's health was from Lib Dem Lord Clement-Jones, and so forth.On the other hand, Mary is preaching straight from the Blue Labour hymnal about Lib Dems -- the story of Section 28's repeal north and south of the border shows the Libs put their money where their mouth is when elected. Sister Mary is half right – some of the gains we've had on LGBT rights in the last decade have been foisted on us by the EU, in the face of Labour and Tory opposition. When are those two going to do the decent thing and marry — er I mean get into coalition?The rest of the LGBT rights we've seen enacted though have been Lib Dem initiatives that Labour has blocked when unveiled, voted down, called unworkable, delayed, and then passed into law and demanded the credit. Cheeky swines. Civil Partnerships were drafted by the Lib Dem peer Lord Lester, the smoking ban which will do more than almost anything else to improve our often pub-based community's health was from Lib Dem Lord Clement-Jones, and so forth.On the other hand, Mary is preaching straight from the Blue Labour hymnal about Lib Dems — the story of Section 28's repeal north and south of the border shows the Libs put their money where their mouth is when elected.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29619 William - Dublin Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:26:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29619 'sucessful military defence of the Irish'??? Bill, you are as much a fool as you are insulting. A classic delusional and downright stupid statement that is so typical of you and your false degrees. To call a terrorist organisation, that is not supported by the people of Ireland, a 'defender of the people' only shows where your own view of human rights is. You sicken me. The defination of idiot is a 'profound mental retardation'. By all account, a description of you Bill, but the origin of the word is 'idiotes', a Greek word used to describe a person who did not partake in the democratic process and had bad judgement......disturbing how accurate that word, idiot, describes you on every level and by every defination Bill. 'sucessful military defence of the Irish'??? Bill, you are as much a fool as you are insulting. A classic delusional and downright stupid statement that is so typical of you and your false degrees. To call a terrorist organisation, that is not supported by the people of Ireland, a 'defender of the people' only shows where your own view of human rights is. You sicken me. The defination of idiot is a 'profound mental retardation'. By all account, a description of you Bill, but the origin of the word is 'idiotes', a Greek word used to describe a person who did not partake in the democratic process and had bad judgement……disturbing how accurate that word, idiot, describes you on every level and by every defination Bill.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29620 Sister Mary Clarence Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:12:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29620 Walter, you are absolutely right about the Conservatives, but equally this holds true for Labour. The Lib Dems can of course promise everything to everyone as they know there is no chance of ever gaining power. Both Labour and Conservatives are entirely reactive in their equalities agendas. Labour have given a semblance of being more committed to equalities in recent years purely because their PR machine has been the better of the two main parties. The Conservatives have upped their game recently and under David Cameron we are starting to much more of the polished political product we have been used to from New Labour.There isn’t any difference between either Labour or the Conservatives. The gains that we have had over the last few years would have come down through Europe irrespective of who was in power and episodes like the saga of Labour’s Miranda Grell who made allegations of paedophilia against a gay opponent in order to win his seat, show the depths that politicians will stoop to in the name of power and control.The Conservatives are keen to regain power and are doing everything to be seen to be keeping their house in order. The first sniff of scandal and the party takes action to distance itself from the culprit. Not so with Labour, who know that Thatcher’s Section 28 will secure them votes for many years to come. In the case of Miranda despite being convicted of spreading lies and then losing her appeal, she still was not thrown out of the Labour Party. Similarly the peerages for sale and the dodgy donations have seen no MPs exiled. Walter, you are absolutely right about the Conservatives, but equally this holds true for Labour. The Lib Dems can of course promise everything to everyone as they know there is no chance of ever gaining power. Both Labour and Conservatives are entirely reactive in their equalities agendas. Labour have given a semblance of being more committed to equalities in recent years purely because their PR machine has been the better of the two main parties. The Conservatives have upped their game recently and under David Cameron we are starting to much more of the polished political product we have been used to from New Labour.There isn’t any difference between either Labour or the Conservatives. The gains that we have had over the last few years would have come down through Europe irrespective of who was in power and episodes like the saga of Labour’s Miranda Grell who made allegations of paedophilia against a gay opponent in order to win his seat, show the depths that politicians will stoop to in the name of power and control.The Conservatives are keen to regain power and are doing everything to be seen to be keeping their house in order. The first sniff of scandal and the party takes action to distance itself from the culprit. Not so with Labour, who know that Thatcher’s Section 28 will secure them votes for many years to come. In the case of Miranda despite being convicted of spreading lies and then losing her appeal, she still was not thrown out of the Labour Party. Similarly the peerages for sale and the dodgy donations have seen no MPs exiled.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29621 Bill Perdue Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:38:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29621 Robert, thanks for your response to my posting of May 23rd, 2007. I forget what that discussion was about but my remarks aimed at criticizing the hypocrisy of the English Government regarding political change in occupied Ireland are still relevant.You say, “ Bill, the British government has no problem ceding northern Ireland back to the republic provided it is done through the ballot box.”Apparently the IRA agrees with you; after 25 years of a sucessful military defense of the Irish in occupied Ireland they stood down to participate in the Good Friday Peace Process. I am not as sure as you are, given the 700 year history of colonization and military oppression of the Irish by the English, that the English government will honor that process. In any case, for now the goal of devolution as a first step towards Irish reunification has stalled. You say “I don't think the majority in the north would want that anyway, given a choice. The wishes of the majority must be respected.” I don’t think that in the end the opinions of colonists will count for much if all the Irish are allowed to vote on the questions of unity and full independence. Those are questions that are properly left up to the democratic decision of the Irish, whether they live in the occupied north or in the Republic. Robert, thanks for your response to my posting of May 23rd, 2007. I forget what that discussion was about but my remarks aimed at criticizing the hypocrisy of the English Government regarding political change in occupied Ireland are still relevant.You say, “ Bill, the British government has no problem ceding northern Ireland back to the republic provided it is done through the ballot box.”Apparently the IRA agrees with you; after 25 years of a sucessful military defense of the Irish in occupied Ireland they stood down to participate in the Good Friday Peace Process. I am not as sure as you are, given the 700 year history of colonization and military oppression of the Irish by the English, that the English government will honor that process. In any case, for now the goal of devolution as a first step towards Irish reunification has stalled. You say “I don't think the majority in the north would want that anyway, given a choice. The wishes of the majority must be respected.” I don’t think that in the end the opinions of colonists will count for much if all the Irish are allowed to vote on the questions of unity and full independence. Those are questions that are properly left up to the democratic decision of the Irish, whether they live in the occupied north or in the Republic.

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]]> By: Walter http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29622 Walter Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:48:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29622 Whilst I identify with the Tory Cllr that we need to move on, I can safely say that the Tory Government has been a barrier to equality and social change. In recent years, the Tories have demonstrated an ability to adapt but only in the face of changing realities. Thus, we can expect the Tories never to be proactive and ONLY reactive/adaptive. Sad. Some of em are quite cute. Whilst I identify with the Tory Cllr that we need to move on, I can safely say that the Tory Government has been a barrier to equality and social change. In recent years, the Tories have demonstrated an ability to adapt but only in the face of changing realities. Thus, we can expect the Tories never to be proactive and ONLY reactive/adaptive. Sad. Some of em are quite cute.

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]]> By: Anon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29623 Anon Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:55:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29623 In answer to the Tory Cllr.Some of us remember THATCHER, section 28, TORY refusal to have gay equality and will never vote TORY. In answer to the Tory Cllr.Some of us remember THATCHER, section 28, TORY refusal to have gay equality and will never vote TORY.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29624 William - Dublin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:50:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29624 Exactly Robert, well said. There will be a united Ireland only when both countries vote in a democratic referendum to do so... until then, the majority on the North chose to remain with the United Kingdom, and 99% of the Republic respects that, regardless of our aspirations. Exactly Robert, well said. There will be a united Ireland only when both countries vote in a democratic referendum to do so… until then, the majority on the North chose to remain with the United Kingdom, and 99% of the Republic respects that, regardless of our aspirations.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29625 Robert, ex-pat Brit Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:31:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29625 Bill, the British government has no problem ceding northern Ireland back to the republic provided it is done through the ballot box. I don't think the majority in the north would want that anyway, given a choice. The wishes of the majority must be respected. Ahern knows that and so do the rest of the populace in the south, the majority of them I might add. Bill, the British government has no problem ceding northern Ireland back to the republic provided it is done through the ballot box. I don't think the majority in the north would want that anyway, given a choice. The wishes of the majority must be respected. Ahern knows that and so do the rest of the populace in the south, the majority of them I might add.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29626 William - Dublin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:53:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29626 Another insightful analysis from Mr. perdue, the bolshevik with the singular racist view of Irish current affairs. Well done, Billy. A stunning example of the puerile education system mixed with 1920's communist ideals!How's about your government getting our of Iraq and Afghanistan, and taking your military bases out of the EU before you worry about the political system of a country you have never set foot on its soil. Another insightful analysis from Mr. perdue, the bolshevik with the singular racist view of Irish current affairs. Well done, Billy. A stunning example of the puerile education system mixed with 1920's communist ideals!How's about your government getting our of Iraq and Afghanistan, and taking your military bases out of the EU before you worry about the political system of a country you have never set foot on its soil.

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]]> By: Craig http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29627 Craig Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:44:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29627 I tried to join my Dodington Parish Council as an independent at the May 2007 local elections, but the homophobic press “would not” publicize me and if you cannot get your message across then it’s not worth standing.So I started a gay newspaper to try and publicize myself and then realized that the ‘power of the press’ had far more bite than I could ever have as a Parish Councilor.People just don’t become MP’s over-night. They start from the grass-roots of Parish/Borough Councils. Margot James, is correct to say she has experienced a lot of homophobia from the (Straight) Press.However when I initially tried to be co-opted onto my Parish Council, all of the other Parish Councilor’s refused to let me join. So I would have to say that not all of Margot James’s comments are correct. I tried to join my Dodington Parish Council as an independent at the May 2007 local elections, but the homophobic press “would not” publicize me and if you cannot get your message across then it’s not worth standing.So I started a gay newspaper to try and publicize myself and then realized that the ‘power of the press’ had far more bite than I could ever have as a Parish Councilor.People just don’t become MP’s over-night. They start from the grass-roots of Parish/Borough Councils. Margot James, is correct to say she has experienced a lot of homophobia from the (Straight) Press.However when I initially tried to be co-opted onto my Parish Council, all of the other Parish Councilor’s refused to let me join. So I would have to say that not all of Margot James’s comments are correct.

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]]> By: editor http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29628 editor Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:22:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29628 It is the first one on the list You can download all of our current publications for free. * Serves you right: Lesbian and gay people's expectations of discrimination (200 It is the first one on the list You can download all of our current publications for free. * Serves you right: Lesbian and gay people's expectations of discrimination (200

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29629 Dominick J. Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:14:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29629 There is now a link at the bottom of all three stories about the survey to the appropriate section on the Stonewall website.editor*************************************Been there, done that it ain't there.Can you supply me with that link here please? There is now a link at the bottom of all three stories about the survey to the appropriate section on the Stonewall website.editor*************************************Been there, done that it ain't there.Can you supply me with that link here please?

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]]> By: editor http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29630 editor Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:18:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7270.html#comment-29630 There is now a link at the bottom of all three stories about the survey to the appropriate section on the Stonewall website. There is now a link at the bottom of all three stories about the survey to the appropriate section on the Stonewall website.

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