Comments on: Gay community "right" to recall Nazi persecution http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:50:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Anon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-2/#comment-29009 Anon Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:57:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29009 My responce to this damn priest...watch this video... My responce to this damn priest…watch this video…

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]]> By: Rev Kieren Bourne http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-2/#comment-29010 Rev Kieren Bourne Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29010 Further to my earlier comment and link to our homepage, some of you might like to check out the website to Living Springs Metropolitan Community Church at www.mccbath.org.ukMCC is a worldwide denomination which was founded in 1968 by a gay pentecostal minister who was - yes, you guessed it - thrown out of his church. Further to my earlier comment and link to our homepage, some of you might like to check out the website to Living Springs Metropolitan Community Church at http://www.mccbath.org.ukMCC is a worldwide denomination which was founded in 1968 by a gay pentecostal minister who was – yes, you guessed it – thrown out of his church.

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-2/#comment-29011 Dominick J. Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:35:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29011 Bob, when I have spoken with my Catholic friends they say they belong out of family tradition.They are actually afraid of going to hell because they're taught the Catholic Church is the true church chosen by God.They can follow the mass by roate, which to me really doesn't have any meaning.They tell me many issues they don't follow everything the Pope dictates but just follow the church direction blindly.I remember when I was a kid telling my Catholic friends, then, that Jesus had several brothers and sisters, WOW you would have thought I had struck them with a lightning bolt!Some of that has changed over the years.I am happy to say several Catholic, Baptist and Luthern familys here have switched to our church because we teach real inlusivness, in our word, the word of Jesus and in our actions. Bob, when I have spoken with my Catholic friends they say they belong out of family tradition.They are actually afraid of going to hell because they're taught the Catholic Church is the true church chosen by God.They can follow the mass by roate, which to me really doesn't have any meaning.They tell me many issues they don't follow everything the Pope dictates but just follow the church direction blindly.I remember when I was a kid telling my Catholic friends, then, that Jesus had several brothers and sisters, WOW you would have thought I had struck them with a lightning bolt!Some of that has changed over the years.I am happy to say several Catholic, Baptist and Luthern familys here have switched to our church because we teach real inlusivness, in our word, the word of Jesus and in our actions.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29012 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:40:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29012 Dominick, thank you for that. I will definitely check out "Swing Kids". Glad you found the link informative too, maybe we should all bombard the RC church with it, especially Devine's diocese.What I don't understand is that though there are some Catholics who practice their faith (a minority I might add) yet do not subscribe to everything the Vatican dictates, why aren't these same people taking a stand and confronting their church head on? If they and clergy alike alike would do that, we'd all be a lot better off. I'm surprised none of the Jesuits have come to our aid. Dominick, thank you for that. I will definitely check out "Swing Kids". Glad you found the link informative too, maybe we should all bombard the RC church with it, especially Devine's diocese.What I don't understand is that though there are some Catholics who practice their faith (a minority I might add) yet do not subscribe to everything the Vatican dictates, why aren't these same people taking a stand and confronting their church head on? If they and clergy alike alike would do that, we'd all be a lot better off. I'm surprised none of the Jesuits have come to our aid.

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29013 Dominick J. Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29013 Robert, ex-pat Brit: Bishop Devine, if you're visiting this website for whatever reason, please check out the link below. Maybe you'll learn a little humility in the process.************************************Thanks Robert, great educational link one I will be passing around, for sure. There's a movie out, it's been out for a long time, so you'll have to find it in a video store or check it out at Amazon.com. it's called "Swing Kids." It's a chilling movie with some of the most exciting music of the swing era. While you're watching it and enjoying the music and the kids, the horror is unfolding behind and then you're caught up in the horror.The article unfolds just like what the Religious Right are doing to Gays today. They are the Satan, the Axis of Evil, the very words that Bush coined so many years ago. They must be removed from government. Robert, ex-pat Brit: Bishop Devine, if you're visiting this website for whatever reason, please check out the link below. Maybe you'll learn a little humility in the process.************************************Thanks Robert, great educational link one I will be passing around, for sure. There's a movie out, it's been out for a long time, so you'll have to find it in a video store or check it out at Amazon.com. it's called "Swing Kids." It's a chilling movie with some of the most exciting music of the swing era. While you're watching it and enjoying the music and the kids, the horror is unfolding behind and then you're caught up in the horror.The article unfolds just like what the Religious Right are doing to Gays today. They are the Satan, the Axis of Evil, the very words that Bush coined so many years ago. They must be removed from government.

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]]> By: Luke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29014 Luke Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:49:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29014 William, thanks for that...Bill, I see you haven't responded, so we can rightfully conclude that you are indeed a liar. Thanks for the confirmation. William, thanks for that…Bill, I see you haven't responded, so we can rightfully conclude that you are indeed a liar. Thanks for the confirmation.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29015 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:57:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29015 Bishop Devine, if you're visiting this website for whatever reason, please check out the link below. Maybe you'll learn a little humility in the process. Bishop Devine, if you're visiting this website for whatever reason, please check out the link below. Maybe you'll learn a little humility in the process.

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]]> By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29016 David S Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:02:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29016 I remember hearing this on R4 and had a good chuckle. I remember hearing this on R4 and had a good chuckle.

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]]> By: Matty B http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29017 Matty B Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:50:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29017 Marcus Brigstocke on The Now Show said everything better than I wouldBBC Radio 4) "I'd like to start this week with a request, and this one goes out to the followers of the three Abrahamic religions: the Muslims, Christians, and Jews. It's just a little thing, really, but do you think that when you've finished smashing up the world and blowing each other to bits and demanding special privileges while you do it, do you think that maybe the rest of us could sort of have our planet back? I wouldn't ask, but I'm starting to think that there must be something written in the special books that each of you so enjoy referring to that it's ok to behave like special, petulant, pugnacious, pricks.Forgive the alliteration, but your persistent, power-mad punch-ups are pissing me off. It's mainly the extremists obviously, but not exclusively. It's a lot of 'main-streamers' as well. Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about.Muslims: listen up my bearded and veily friends! Calm down, ok? Stop blowing stuff up. Not everything that said about you is an attack on the prophet Mohammed and Allah that needs to end in the infidel being destroyed. Have a cup of tea, put on a Cat Stevens record, sit down and chill out. I mean seriously, what's wrong with a strongly-worded letter to The Times?Christians: you and your churches don't get to be millionaires while other people have nothing at all. They're your bloody rules; either stick to them or abandon the faith. And stop persecuting and killing people you judge to be immoral. Oh, and stop pretending you're celibate -- it's a cover-up for being a gay or a nonce. Right, that's two ticked off.Jews! I know you're god's 'Chosen People' and the rest of us are just whatever, but when Israel behaves like a violent, psychopathic bully and someone mentions it that doesn't make them anti-Semitic. And for the record, your troubled history is not a license to act with impunity now.Please don't kill us, seriously. As far as I'm concerned this is the only chance we get. When we die it's all over -- there's no virgins and pearly gates waiting for us, no big, beardy man saying:[in deep, echoing voice and upper class accent] "Right, so how do you think that went, then? Killed a lot of people in my name I see. Not really what I had in mind. Um, tell you what, have another go as a worm."This week Lydia Playfoot, who took Millay School in Horsham to the high court soshe could wear jewelry to prove she's staying a virgin for Jesus, lost her case.Good. I'm glad. I don't care how many times her parents claim it was her idea,rules is rules, and if you want to wear a ring that tells everyone you're nothaving any sex you can get married like the rest of us.Now, the lawyer for the chaste Miss Playfoot said the question for the judge was 'What are the religious rights of school children in the school context?' Well, I'm no judge (not yet, anyway), but if you want my opinion, none. No rights. No religious rights whatsoever. Schools are for learning. If you want to have a little pray to prevent the P.E. teacher from being a colossal pervert, then go head, fill your boots. If you want to pop on a feathered headdress and chant and dance and mumble and sacrifice something you can do that on your own time.Now, I know that most religious folk are moderate and reasonable and wear tidy jumpers and eat cheese, like real people. And on hearing this they'll mainly feel pity for me, rather than issue a death sentence. But they have to accept that they are the power base for the nutters. Without their passive support the loonies in charge of these faiths would just be loonies, safely locked away and medicated -- somewhere nice with a view of some trees where they can claim they have a direct channel to god between sessions making tapestry coasters, watching Teletubbies and talking about their days in the Hitler Youth. Imagine what humanity might be capable of if we had that much spare time! We could explore space properly, have decent look in the sea, find a cure for James Blunt, anything! Marcus Brigstocke on The Now Show said everything better than I wouldBBC Radio 4) "I'd like to start this week with a request, and this one goes out to the followers of the three Abrahamic religions: the Muslims, Christians, and Jews. It's just a little thing, really, but do you think that when you've finished smashing up the world and blowing each other to bits and demanding special privileges while you do it, do you think that maybe the rest of us could sort of have our planet back? I wouldn't ask, but I'm starting to think that there must be something written in the special books that each of you so enjoy referring to that it's ok to behave like special, petulant, pugnacious, pricks.Forgive the alliteration, but your persistent, power-mad punch-ups are pissing me off. It's mainly the extremists obviously, but not exclusively. It's a lot of 'main-streamers' as well. Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about.Muslims: listen up my bearded and veily friends! Calm down, ok? Stop blowing stuff up. Not everything that said about you is an attack on the prophet Mohammed and Allah that needs to end in the infidel being destroyed. Have a cup of tea, put on a Cat Stevens record, sit down and chill out. I mean seriously, what's wrong with a strongly-worded letter to The Times?Christians: you and your churches don't get to be millionaires while other people have nothing at all. They're your bloody rules; either stick to them or abandon the faith. And stop persecuting and killing people you judge to be immoral. Oh, and stop pretending you're celibate — it's a cover-up for being a gay or a nonce. Right, that's two ticked off.Jews! I know you're god's 'Chosen People' and the rest of us are just whatever, but when Israel behaves like a violent, psychopathic bully and someone mentions it that doesn't make them anti-Semitic. And for the record, your troubled history is not a license to act with impunity now.Please don't kill us, seriously. As far as I'm concerned this is the only chance we get. When we die it's all over — there's no virgins and pearly gates waiting for us, no big, beardy man saying:[in deep, echoing voice and upper class accent] "Right, so how do you think that went, then? Killed a lot of people in my name I see. Not really what I had in mind. Um, tell you what, have another go as a worm."This week Lydia Playfoot, who took Millay School in Horsham to the high court soshe could wear jewelry to prove she's staying a virgin for Jesus, lost her case.Good. I'm glad. I don't care how many times her parents claim it was her idea,rules is rules, and if you want to wear a ring that tells everyone you're nothaving any sex you can get married like the rest of us.Now, the lawyer for the chaste Miss Playfoot said the question for the judge was 'What are the religious rights of school children in the school context?' Well, I'm no judge (not yet, anyway), but if you want my opinion, none. No rights. No religious rights whatsoever. Schools are for learning. If you want to have a little pray to prevent the P.E. teacher from being a colossal pervert, then go head, fill your boots. If you want to pop on a feathered headdress and chant and dance and mumble and sacrifice something you can do that on your own time.Now, I know that most religious folk are moderate and reasonable and wear tidy jumpers and eat cheese, like real people. And on hearing this they'll mainly feel pity for me, rather than issue a death sentence. But they have to accept that they are the power base for the nutters. Without their passive support the loonies in charge of these faiths would just be loonies, safely locked away and medicated — somewhere nice with a view of some trees where they can claim they have a direct channel to god between sessions making tapestry coasters, watching Teletubbies and talking about their days in the Hitler Youth. Imagine what humanity might be capable of if we had that much spare time! We could explore space properly, have decent look in the sea, find a cure for James Blunt, anything!

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]]> By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29018 David S Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:18:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29018 Maybe the time has come for a legal framework which criminalises this sort of homophobic behaviour. An Incitement to Hatred Act, as can be seen in Ireland, would have meant that Devine's comments would have resulted in his arrest and subsequent conviction. I understand that some legislation is currently laid before Parliament. It is absolutely vital that this includes statements by religious clerics.I have a number of Roman Catholic friends, both gay and straight, who feel very insulted by this man's comments, and this illustrates to me that the church hierarchy is way out of step with the laiety, and how there is a deep divide between those who have faith, compassion and integrity, and those who simply attempt to exert power over others. Maybe the time has come for a legal framework which criminalises this sort of homophobic behaviour. An Incitement to Hatred Act, as can be seen in Ireland, would have meant that Devine's comments would have resulted in his arrest and subsequent conviction. I understand that some legislation is currently laid before Parliament. It is absolutely vital that this includes statements by religious clerics.I have a number of Roman Catholic friends, both gay and straight, who feel very insulted by this man's comments, and this illustrates to me that the church hierarchy is way out of step with the laiety, and how there is a deep divide between those who have faith, compassion and integrity, and those who simply attempt to exert power over others.

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]]> By: David http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29019 David Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:45:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29019 Sounds more like the drink talking if his face is anything to go by. Either that or he has been dipping his face in the chip pan again!Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone.All the best.David Sounds more like the drink talking if his face is anything to go by. Either that or he has been dipping his face in the chip pan again!Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone.All the best.David

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]]> By: L. Andrews http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29020 L. Andrews Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:16:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29020 Zeke, you say there is no record of a single woman being arrested or killed for lesbianism. You may like to look up "Henny Schermann". Her crime was being " Unmarried shopgirl in Frankfurt am Main. Licentious lesbian, only visited such [lesbian] bars. Avoided the name 'Sara.' Stateless Jew." She was gassed at the Bernburg killing facility. Reference - Website - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Zeke, you say there is no record of a single woman being arrested or killed for lesbianism. You may like to look up "Henny Schermann". Her crime was being " Unmarried shopgirl in Frankfurt am Main. Licentious lesbian, only visited such [lesbian] bars. Avoided the name 'Sara.' Stateless Jew." She was gassed at the Bernburg killing facility. Reference – Website – United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

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]]> By: AdrianT http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29021 AdrianT Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:05:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29021 With the greatest of respect to Mr Camford, the evidence seems to suggest that there are many with faith, who commit the most appalling injustices to dignity and truth. Too many to call them 'unChristian', as Mr Devine is being described. This actually exhonorates Roman Christianity from any misery it has caused over the last 1700 years.People like this express and act out their hatred, inspired directly by Biblical verses, and they get away with it - because they are called 'bishop' 'reverend' 'pastor'. And not just the Old Testament. Go to 1 Thess2 14-16 for instance. Turn off the Kindly Light, so those pink hues fade to brown, and Mr. Devine's opinions are no different from the BNP or NF, Hitler's Nuremberg rallies, or someone out in the street, foaming at the mouth with a sandwich board. And how was this nutcase described by the press a few years ago, when he was inline for becoming the next Bishop of Glasgow (I think it was)? "a diplomatic intellectual".Here in Holland, all alcoholic beverage adverts carry a health warning "Geniet, maar drink met mate"(enjoy but drink in moderation). While most people here can enjoy a glass of beer, some can't stop, or it leads them to aggression, violence, long term illness. Even though many people gain a sense of consolation from their faith. (Fine, but scientologists do lots of good work getting kids off drugs) Unfortunately faith also sends many others out of control. Maybe we should see a warning, like: "Enjoy, but believe in moderation" "Untested hypotheses about the origins of the Cosmos that differ strongly from one geographical region to the next should be treated with extreme caution"Maybe these should be on literature such as Bibles, on religious advertisements, including programmes such as "Songs of Praise" or 'the Passion'. We should also propose a minimum age of when to expose kids to this stuff too. With the greatest of respect to Mr Camford, the evidence seems to suggest that there are many with faith, who commit the most appalling injustices to dignity and truth. Too many to call them 'unChristian', as Mr Devine is being described. This actually exhonorates Roman Christianity from any misery it has caused over the last 1700 years.People like this express and act out their hatred, inspired directly by Biblical verses, and they get away with it – because they are called 'bishop' 'reverend' 'pastor'. And not just the Old Testament. Go to 1 Thess2 14-16 for instance. Turn off the Kindly Light, so those pink hues fade to brown, and Mr. Devine's opinions are no different from the BNP or NF, Hitler's Nuremberg rallies, or someone out in the street, foaming at the mouth with a sandwich board. And how was this nutcase described by the press a few years ago, when he was inline for becoming the next Bishop of Glasgow (I think it was)? "a diplomatic intellectual".Here in Holland, all alcoholic beverage adverts carry a health warning "Geniet, maar drink met mate"(enjoy but drink in moderation). While most people here can enjoy a glass of beer, some can't stop, or it leads them to aggression, violence, long term illness. Even though many people gain a sense of consolation from their faith. (Fine, but scientologists do lots of good work getting kids off drugs) Unfortunately faith also sends many others out of control. Maybe we should see a warning, like: "Enjoy, but believe in moderation" "Untested hypotheses about the origins of the Cosmos that differ strongly from one geographical region to the next should be treated with extreme caution"Maybe these should be on literature such as Bibles, on religious advertisements, including programmes such as "Songs of Praise" or 'the Passion'. We should also propose a minimum age of when to expose kids to this stuff too.

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29022 Dominick J. Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:37:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29022 Lorre: (Concerning Dignity)---never a shortage of priests and nuns sympathetic and supportive to gays who wanted to remain Catholics.*************************************Hi Lorre, there is a practice I have involved our church in that Dignity does, and not all their Catholic churches do this either it's called "Solidarity Sunday." It's much more meaningful to a church that is fully opened and affirming. Any what I was going to say is this group of men and women are much like the Log Cabin Republicans. I haven't been able to figure them out either. Lorre: (Concerning Dignity)—never a shortage of priests and nuns sympathetic and supportive to gays who wanted to remain Catholics.*************************************Hi Lorre, there is a practice I have involved our church in that Dignity does, and not all their Catholic churches do this either it's called "Solidarity Sunday." It's much more meaningful to a church that is fully opened and affirming. Any what I was going to say is this group of men and women are much like the Log Cabin Republicans. I haven't been able to figure them out either.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29023 William - Dublin Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:07:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29023 Luke mate, Bill will never answer that challenge, he can't relay simply because you never said you supported the catholic church. Billy Bolshevik here just likes to make stuff up and twist truths on the daft assumption we're all idiots with the short term memory of a dead goldfish, and who's only recourse is to insult those who don't share his racist view against the British (or anyone who once visited the UK, spoke to a British person, or even seen a program on TV about the British)......poor small little Billy, marching all alone on May Day. No friends. No life. No smarts. Luke mate, Bill will never answer that challenge, he can't relay simply because you never said you supported the catholic church. Billy Bolshevik here just likes to make stuff up and twist truths on the daft assumption we're all idiots with the short term memory of a dead goldfish, and who's only recourse is to insult those who don't share his racist view against the British (or anyone who once visited the UK, spoke to a British person, or even seen a program on TV about the British)……poor small little Billy, marching all alone on May Day. No friends. No life. No smarts.

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]]> By: Luke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29024 Luke Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:21:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29024 Ah Bill, still continuing the nasty little insinuations I see.Do you care to substantiate your previous accusation "Luke does indeed defend clerical rapists and the catholic cult"Let's put it to the test Bill. You find a quote from me where I defend anything of the kind, and I'll never post here again. If you don't you can leave.Can't say fairer than that can I?You seem to be confusing my total contempt for you with support for something else which I utterly condemn.Fortunately, you are in a minority of one. Every other person on this site who has ever seen my posts can attest to that. Incidentally, this story is about the anti-gay bigotry of some in the Catholic church. Your comment "Maybe his altar boy said no and threatened to turn him in to the police" is simply libellous. And I bet the owners of this site have better things to do than worry about idiots like you bringing their site into disrepute.So come on Bill, a challenge. Find any quote of mine which justifies your remark of be seen as the lying piece of crap that you are by everyone on this board.And anyone else, feel free to join in on this.The clock's ticking Bill. Ah Bill, still continuing the nasty little insinuations I see.Do you care to substantiate your previous accusation "Luke does indeed defend clerical rapists and the catholic cult"Let's put it to the test Bill. You find a quote from me where I defend anything of the kind, and I'll never post here again. If you don't you can leave.Can't say fairer than that can I?You seem to be confusing my total contempt for you with support for something else which I utterly condemn.Fortunately, you are in a minority of one. Every other person on this site who has ever seen my posts can attest to that. Incidentally, this story is about the anti-gay bigotry of some in the Catholic church. Your comment "Maybe his altar boy said no and threatened to turn him in to the police" is simply libellous. And I bet the owners of this site have better things to do than worry about idiots like you bringing their site into disrepute.So come on Bill, a challenge. Find any quote of mine which justifies your remark of be seen as the lying piece of crap that you are by everyone on this board.And anyone else, feel free to join in on this.The clock's ticking Bill.

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]]> By: apYrs http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29025 apYrs Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:46:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29025 Zekewhile it is true that gay men were imprisoned before the nazi's final solution, they weren't executed or treated in the way they eventually were.Lesbians may not have been in the camops but their fate wasn't rosy.ANd I'm not "hurt" by this uneducated bigot's utterances: I'm insulted and angry; n ot least because the RC church did very little apart from trying to protect itself inm WW2. It's moral stature was notably diminished then, and more so since. Zekewhile it is true that gay men were imprisoned before the nazi's final solution, they weren't executed or treated in the way they eventually were.Lesbians may not have been in the camops but their fate wasn't rosy.ANd I'm not "hurt" by this uneducated bigot's utterances: I'm insulted and angry; n ot least because the RC church did very little apart from trying to protect itself inm WW2. It's moral stature was notably diminished then, and more so since.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29026 Bill Perdue Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:12:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29026 He must have been in a foul mood when he uttered those remarks. Maybe his altar boy said no and threatened to turn him in to the police. What do you think, Lukie? He must have been in a foul mood when he uttered those remarks. Maybe his altar boy said no and threatened to turn him in to the police. What do you think, Lukie?

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]]> By: Bazza http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29027 Bazza Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:16:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29027 A "hetrosexual" male in a frock, denigrating Gays!There must be a joke in there somewhere. A "hetrosexual" male in a frock, denigrating Gays!There must be a joke in there somewhere.

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]]> By: Zeke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html/comment-page-1/#comment-29028 Zeke Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:56:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7129.html#comment-29028 People often say that gays and lesbians were arrested and exterminated under the Nazi regime but the fact of the matter is there is no record of a single woman being arrested or killed for lesbianism; in fact lesbianism wasn't a crime in Germany, only male homosexuality. Only gay males were arrested and executed under the Nazi regime. In fact gay males were arrested and jailed in Germany prior to the Nazi regime and they were not released from prison when other concentration camp survivors were freed. They were just transfered to different prisons.The Bishop is an ignorant tool who spews stupidity but that doesn't mean that we should make uninformed statements in response. People often say that gays and lesbians were arrested and exterminated under the Nazi regime but the fact of the matter is there is no record of a single woman being arrested or killed for lesbianism; in fact lesbianism wasn't a crime in Germany, only male homosexuality. Only gay males were arrested and executed under the Nazi regime. In fact gay males were arrested and jailed in Germany prior to the Nazi regime and they were not released from prison when other concentration camp survivors were freed. They were just transfered to different prisons.The Bishop is an ignorant tool who spews stupidity but that doesn't mean that we should make uninformed statements in response.

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