Comments on: Cry for Help from Refugee Sheds Light on Desperation of Gays in Iran http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:23:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28149 David S Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:55:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28149 Thank you, Omar. I trust you will recover soon.I think the battle for gay rights now needs to be turned outwards beyond our borders. The plight of Iranian gay men and women needs to be published well beyond this site. Can the BBC not be encouraged to report upon the issue? Thank you, Omar. I trust you will recover soon.I think the battle for gay rights now needs to be turned outwards beyond our borders. The plight of Iranian gay men and women needs to be published well beyond this site. Can the BBC not be encouraged to report upon the issue?

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]]> By: Omar Kuddus Gayasylum http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28150 Omar Kuddus Gayasylum Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:48:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28150 Adrian T, the answer to your question is the latter, for the Ho feels gays do not get persecuted in Iran.David S, I sorry but I am just disgusted at the level of support and please do not take offence.I am also tired and exhausted, suffering from pneumonia and had about 6 hrs sleep in the last week working on this case so you can imagine my disgust when the rest of the world does more than people here are doing.Thanks to everyone who has signed the petition.Please write a letter of protest to your mp, and the home Office Minister.Details are on my group page. Adrian T, the answer to your question is the latter, for the Ho feels gays do not get persecuted in Iran.David S, I sorry but I am just disgusted at the level of support and please do not take offence.I am also tired and exhausted, suffering from pneumonia and had about 6 hrs sleep in the last week working on this case so you can imagine my disgust when the rest of the world does more than people here are doing.Thanks to everyone who has signed the petition.Please write a letter of protest to your mp, and the home Office Minister.Details are on my group page.

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]]> By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28151 David S Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:28:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28151 Also, for the record, I do not bitch with others on here. I do however, assert my right to be treated with respect. And for that, I don't apologise. Also, for the record, I do not bitch with others on here. I do however, assert my right to be treated with respect. And for that, I don't apologise.

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]]> By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28152 David S Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:26:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28152 For the record, I have signed the petition. I was unable to do so beforehand. For the record, I have signed the petition. I was unable to do so beforehand.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28153 Robert, ex-pat Brit Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:10:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28153 Roberto, glad you signed the petition, the decent thing to do if we truly care about the rights of our fellow brothers and sisters across the globe, in particular in Iran. I'm still haunted by those two boys who were publicly executed two years ago. One of the situtations that motivated me to become proactive. Shame on the rest who don't. Roberto, glad you signed the petition, the decent thing to do if we truly care about the rights of our fellow brothers and sisters across the globe, in particular in Iran. I'm still haunted by those two boys who were publicly executed two years ago. One of the situtations that motivated me to become proactive. Shame on the rest who don't.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28154 Robert, ex-pat Brit Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:07:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28154 Omar, only 5 signed the petition? DISGUSTING and it proves that most don't care as long as its not their problem, so they remain what they are about a lot of things, indifferent and selfish and many are xenophobic too when its not one of our own countrymen. Absolutely appalling. Omar, can you indicate who the other three are aside from you and I? There's an old saying Omar, what goes around comes around. It will come back to haunt them in one way or the other. If this young man is returned to face possible execution, then our government and along with everyone else who didn't sign the petition are complicit. Shame on them Omar, only 5 signed the petition? DISGUSTING and it proves that most don't care as long as its not their problem, so they remain what they are about a lot of things, indifferent and selfish and many are xenophobic too when its not one of our own countrymen. Absolutely appalling. Omar, can you indicate who the other three are aside from you and I? There's an old saying Omar, what goes around comes around. It will come back to haunt them in one way or the other. If this young man is returned to face possible execution, then our government and along with everyone else who didn't sign the petition are complicit. Shame on them

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]]> By: Roberto http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28155 Roberto Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:44:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28155 Omar, I take this case very seriously as I do all LGBT asylum cases - especially those from Iran.I challenge anyone to look at the images of those two teenage boys hanged 2 years back in iran for being Gay and NOT being moved to tears.I have signed the petition and urge others to do the same.Ordinarily I am like many others and reject the abuse of our asylum laws by economic migrants, particuarly from safe African countries, but in the case of Gays and Iran we must help them. Omar, I take this case very seriously as I do all LGBT asylum cases – especially those from Iran.I challenge anyone to look at the images of those two teenage boys hanged 2 years back in iran for being Gay and NOT being moved to tears.I have signed the petition and urge others to do the same.Ordinarily I am like many others and reject the abuse of our asylum laws by economic migrants, particuarly from safe African countries, but in the case of Gays and Iran we must help them.

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]]> By: AdrianT http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28156 AdrianT Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:42:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28156 You're doing a great job, Omar.But what I do not understand is, why was his case thrown out in the first place (something to do with the dates Mehdi gave not matching)? Is it because the judge in question at the tribunal does not believe he is gay, or that he does not believe gay people should deserve asylum?If it is the latter, it is an outrage; in the former case, what evidence is there beyond the story provided by Mehdi himself, that his story is true? That must come across more. You're doing a great job, Omar.But what I do not understand is, why was his case thrown out in the first place (something to do with the dates Mehdi gave not matching)? Is it because the judge in question at the tribunal does not believe he is gay, or that he does not believe gay people should deserve asylum?If it is the latter, it is an outrage; in the former case, what evidence is there beyond the story provided by Mehdi himself, that his story is true? That must come across more.

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]]> By: OMAR KUDDUS GAYASYLUM http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28157 OMAR KUDDUS GAYASYLUM Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:57:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28157 Thanks folks. From a plea to save a Gay Iranian from certain death we are back to bitching and wanting to express how much our opinions means.I am ashamed to say that on the petition only FIVE people who regularly comment and give their opinion have signed the petition.Shame on you, to the rest, or are we in the West become so selfish that we do not care about other fellow Gay human beings that are just being killed for their sexuality and that our government, takes no notice of it and condones the “genocide” that is happening.I am ashamed of being British, for the rest of the world; especially Italy, USA and Japan have done more to save a fellow homosexual than any here that have: someone who is being condemed by the British government to death.For my comments I do not apologise. Thanks folks. From a plea to save a Gay Iranian from certain death we are back to bitching and wanting to express how much our opinions means.I am ashamed to say that on the petition only FIVE people who regularly comment and give their opinion have signed the petition.Shame on you, to the rest, or are we in the West become so selfish that we do not care about other fellow Gay human beings that are just being killed for their sexuality and that our government, takes no notice of it and condones the “genocide” that is happening.I am ashamed of being British, for the rest of the world; especially Italy, USA and Japan have done more to save a fellow homosexual than any here that have: someone who is being condemed by the British government to death.For my comments I do not apologise.

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]]> By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28158 David S Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:10:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28158 LukeYou have everything to apologise for. You caused offence where offence was not warranted or called for. Your comment was, at best sarcastic and, at worst, downright rude. I have not questioned the points you have made, simply, because I do not want to. I think it best that, in future, you do not respond to my comments on here and I will not comment on yours.David LukeYou have everything to apologise for. You caused offence where offence was not warranted or called for. Your comment was, at best sarcastic and, at worst, downright rude. I have not questioned the points you have made, simply, because I do not want to. I think it best that, in future, you do not respond to my comments on here and I will not comment on yours.David

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]]> By: Luke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28159 Luke Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:38:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28159 David, I have nothing to apologise for. You can wait all you want.You are of course entitled to express your views (no-one has ever said otherwise) just as I am entitled to take issue with them. That's what happens on here.I note that you have not actually questioned any of the points I made. David, I have nothing to apologise for. You can wait all you want.You are of course entitled to express your views (no-one has ever said otherwise) just as I am entitled to take issue with them. That's what happens on here.I note that you have not actually questioned any of the points I made.

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]]> By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28160 David S Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:53:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28160 LukeI am perfectly entitled to state my opinion, and I don't feel the need to debate it with you - or anyone for that matter. I am still waiting for an apology for the offence you have caused with your remark in a earlier post. Are you big enough to apologise for that? LukeI am perfectly entitled to state my opinion, and I don't feel the need to debate it with you – or anyone for that matter. I am still waiting for an apology for the offence you have caused with your remark in a earlier post. Are you big enough to apologise for that?

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28161 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28161 Luke, you are most welcome and again, I concur with your response to David S, well put. Luke, you are most welcome and again, I concur with your response to David S, well put.

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]]> By: Luke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28162 Luke Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:03:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28162 Thanks Robert.David, could you please point me in the direction of any Islamic State that is tolerant of gays. The nearest is Turkey where homosexuality is not illegal, only because that country has a secular constitution guaranteed by the army. Even in Turkey the tolerance is only for the act. It does extend to any kind of employment rights.Technically, homosexuality is not illegal in Egypt, but gays get imprisoned there on other morality laws.In every other Islamic country, there may be some secular laws, but any that seriously conflict with the Koran or Sharia law would not be allowed.As for the comparison with Christianity, I won't defend for a second any of the bigotry that is easy to find. Especially that which comes from the Pope. But Christian countries have by and large dumped the most stupid parts of the Bible, Christianity itself, allows for separation of Church and State. Islam doesn't. That's a key difference. Christianity itself, has been tamed from the hell fire damnation of the Old Testement by the New Testement, Reformation, Renaissance, Age of Enlightenment etc. Islam has had no such modernising influence. In addition, since it is supposed to be the dictated word of Allah, it's hard to see where any reformation could come from. You do occasionally see brave Muslims who call for the Koran to be dragged into the 21st century, but a charge of Apostacy and death threats usually silences them.The debate in the Christian church seems to be on whether to allow gay marriage. The debate in Islam is whether we should be executed, imprisoned of flogged.I know which I'm more worried about. Thanks Robert.David, could you please point me in the direction of any Islamic State that is tolerant of gays. The nearest is Turkey where homosexuality is not illegal, only because that country has a secular constitution guaranteed by the army. Even in Turkey the tolerance is only for the act. It does extend to any kind of employment rights.Technically, homosexuality is not illegal in Egypt, but gays get imprisoned there on other morality laws.In every other Islamic country, there may be some secular laws, but any that seriously conflict with the Koran or Sharia law would not be allowed.As for the comparison with Christianity, I won't defend for a second any of the bigotry that is easy to find. Especially that which comes from the Pope. But Christian countries have by and large dumped the most stupid parts of the Bible, Christianity itself, allows for separation of Church and State. Islam doesn't. That's a key difference. Christianity itself, has been tamed from the hell fire damnation of the Old Testement by the New Testement, Reformation, Renaissance, Age of Enlightenment etc. Islam has had no such modernising influence. In addition, since it is supposed to be the dictated word of Allah, it's hard to see where any reformation could come from. You do occasionally see brave Muslims who call for the Koran to be dragged into the 21st century, but a charge of Apostacy and death threats usually silences them.The debate in the Christian church seems to be on whether to allow gay marriage. The debate in Islam is whether we should be executed, imprisoned of flogged.I know which I'm more worried about.

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]]> By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28163 David S Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:19:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28163 Well, I don't think that religion has anything to do with it. I agree that is is often perverted to enable people to gain power over others and that is what I think has happened throughout much of the middle east and this has happened only really in the last 25 to 30 years or so.Most Muslims are generally moderate and tolerant of others, as are Christians. Those who are not aren't really religious at all: they're just simply wicked. That's my opinion. Well, I don't think that religion has anything to do with it. I agree that is is often perverted to enable people to gain power over others and that is what I think has happened throughout much of the middle east and this has happened only really in the last 25 to 30 years or so.Most Muslims are generally moderate and tolerant of others, as are Christians. Those who are not aren't really religious at all: they're just simply wicked. That's my opinion.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28164 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:12:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28164 David S., you said..."And again, I continue to assert that the killing of gay and lesbian people in Iran has nothing to do with religion and that it is a manifestation of pure evil."How would you then respond if there were no koran or bible, or better yet, no religion? David S., you said…"And again, I continue to assert that the killing of gay and lesbian people in Iran has nothing to do with religion and that it is a manifestation of pure evil."How would you then respond if there were no koran or bible, or better yet, no religion?

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28165 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:10:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28165 Luke, I agree with you, totally. Luke, I agree with you, totally.

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]]> By: David S http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28166 David S Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:46:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28166 LukeI have to say I find your sarcastic response to be offensive and I would like to to withdraw your first comment. Leviticus also advocates the killing of gay men, but it does not mean that gays necessarily have a hard time in Christian countries, not even in Rome. The repression of women and sexual minorities has only ever been about one thing: power. And again, I continue to assert that the killing of gay and lesbian people in Iran has nothing to do with religion and that it is a manifestation of pure evil. LukeI have to say I find your sarcastic response to be offensive and I would like to to withdraw your first comment. Leviticus also advocates the killing of gay men, but it does not mean that gays necessarily have a hard time in Christian countries, not even in Rome. The repression of women and sexual minorities has only ever been about one thing: power. And again, I continue to assert that the killing of gay and lesbian people in Iran has nothing to do with religion and that it is a manifestation of pure evil.

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]]> By: Luke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28167 Luke Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:59:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28167 "The killing of gay men and women in the middle east is not about religion at all." David SWhat do you think it's down to? The weather?It's got everything to do with religion. It's the mad mullahs that hold sway and they use their influence and islamic justification to murder gays.If it's nothing to do with religion, why do they quote Islamic texts when reaching their verdict? People are found guilty of violating Sharia law, and that's why they're murdered.Why are gays persecuted throughout the islamic world if it's nothing to do with islam? Bit of a coincidence otherwise.We have islamic nutters here in the UK openly advocating killing us in the name of their religion. Never a word of condemnation from the mainstream "moderate" islamic groups we hear so much about.To say that islam isn't the root cause is like saying the Nazi persecution of the Jews was just down to a few bad eggs and not motivated by Nazism itself. "The killing of gay men and women in the middle east is not about religion at all." David SWhat do you think it's down to? The weather?It's got everything to do with religion. It's the mad mullahs that hold sway and they use their influence and islamic justification to murder gays.If it's nothing to do with religion, why do they quote Islamic texts when reaching their verdict? People are found guilty of violating Sharia law, and that's why they're murdered.Why are gays persecuted throughout the islamic world if it's nothing to do with islam? Bit of a coincidence otherwise.We have islamic nutters here in the UK openly advocating killing us in the name of their religion. Never a word of condemnation from the mainstream "moderate" islamic groups we hear so much about.To say that islam isn't the root cause is like saying the Nazi persecution of the Jews was just down to a few bad eggs and not motivated by Nazism itself.

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]]> By: OMAR KUDDUS http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html/comment-page-1/#comment-28168 OMAR KUDDUS Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:41:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6926.html#comment-28168 Peter Tatchell: Hi OmarI've signed the petition as requested.It might worth doing a short, to-the-point Downing Street petition, too -Best wishes, Peter Peter Tatchell: Hi OmarI've signed the petition as requested.It might worth doing a short, to-the-point Downing Street petition, too -Best wishes, Peter

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