Comments on: Rebel Labour MPs attempt to weaken gay hate law http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:29:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Anon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26224 Anon Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:55:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26224 Cornwall police will just carry on homophobically victimising gay people regardless of any new law. Cornwall Police Officer DC Magnus Scott stated in Civil Crown Court in 2006 that "anal sex was ALWAYS an act of sexual violence". GT magazine in 2002 survey established that between 70-80% of gay men participate in anal sex. QED. According to Devon Cornwall police 70-80% of gay men commit acts of sexual violence!Then there was Crown Court Judge Rucker in 2006 who stated that the equal age of consent for gay men came into effect 1st May 2004 (sexual offences act 2003). He was wrong! It was 1st Jan 2001.The same judge Rucker CONDEMNED gay equality HIV/AIDS awarenes campaigning as "Evangelical Prosletising".What's the point of NEW LAWS if the judicary police are so homophobically corrupt like they are in Cornwall? Cornwall police will just carry on homophobically victimising gay people regardless of any new law. Cornwall Police Officer DC Magnus Scott stated in Civil Crown Court in 2006 that "anal sex was ALWAYS an act of sexual violence". GT magazine in 2002 survey established that between 70-80% of gay men participate in anal sex. QED. According to Devon Cornwall police 70-80% of gay men commit acts of sexual violence!Then there was Crown Court Judge Rucker in 2006 who stated that the equal age of consent for gay men came into effect 1st May 2004 (sexual offences act 2003). He was wrong! It was 1st Jan 2001.The same judge Rucker CONDEMNED gay equality HIV/AIDS awarenes campaigning as "Evangelical Prosletising".What's the point of NEW LAWS if the judicary police are so homophobically corrupt like they are in Cornwall?

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26225 Robert, ex-pat Brit Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:46:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26225 William, I would love it if the five countries who offer marraige to us would do a social study to find out if there is any evidence or poof that we are a threat to anybody's marriage? I bet they would come up with zero when you consider that marriages fail overwhelmingly because of financial or infidelity issues, hardly the fault of anyone's sexual orientation. Its truly amazing how these people think. They're running out of scapegoats, wedge issues during political campaigns especially. The tide is slowly turning against them and they know they're losing the cultural war, people are beginning to see through it though not as fast as I would like. We will win, it is inevitable. William, I would love it if the five countries who offer marraige to us would do a social study to find out if there is any evidence or poof that we are a threat to anybody's marriage? I bet they would come up with zero when you consider that marriages fail overwhelmingly because of financial or infidelity issues, hardly the fault of anyone's sexual orientation. Its truly amazing how these people think. They're running out of scapegoats, wedge issues during political campaigns especially. The tide is slowly turning against them and they know they're losing the cultural war, people are beginning to see through it though not as fast as I would like. We will win, it is inevitable.

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]]> By: apYrs http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26226 apYrs Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:49:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26226 This article: concerning teenage suicide due to homophobia is one reson why this protection is needed. Hatred based on and validated by religion is more difficult to counter than general bigotry. Though they won't/can't admit it, priests condemning homosexuality as "intrinsically evil" have a degree of responsibility when one of their flock take the matter beyond words, or even just start a campaign of verbal hatred and bullying. Young people especially aren't equipped to defend themselves against it, and why should they, or even adults, have to deal with it. Some of us feel strong enough, but whether we would be in the face of day on day nastiness..... This article: concerning teenage suicide due to homophobia is one reson why this protection is needed. Hatred based on and validated by religion is more difficult to counter than general bigotry. Though they won't/can't admit it, priests condemning homosexuality as "intrinsically evil" have a degree of responsibility when one of their flock take the matter beyond words, or even just start a campaign of verbal hatred and bullying. Young people especially aren't equipped to defend themselves against it, and why should they, or even adults, have to deal with it. Some of us feel strong enough, but whether we would be in the face of day on day nastiness…..

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]]> By: William - dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26227 William - dublin Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:36:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26227 Yeah, Robert, I like the reference to "threat to marriage". How true. God forbid we gays ruin the sanctity of Britany Spears 55 hour "just for a laugh" marriage with that muppet, simply by wanting to be in a loving and legally recognised stable relationship... yes how dare we gays threaten marriage with our monogamy! It always amuses me that gays who want marriage are being opposed by so called "traditionalists"... for being "traditional". Is that the definition of irony or what? Yeah, Robert, I like the reference to "threat to marriage". How true. God forbid we gays ruin the sanctity of Britany Spears 55 hour "just for a laugh" marriage with that muppet, simply by wanting to be in a loving and legally recognised stable relationship… yes how dare we gays threaten marriage with our monogamy! It always amuses me that gays who want marriage are being opposed by so called "traditionalists"… for being "traditional". Is that the definition of irony or what?

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26228 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:12:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26228 William, thank you. Its a sad commentary but a fact that these people are so full of shame, guilt and totally in denial. These are the same people who vote for and support inequality. They denigrate our lives, tell us that we are a threat to marriage yet it is they who are the biggest hypocrites and bigots who happen to be the real threat to marriage. They cheat on their spouses with opposite and same sex people but assume the moral high ground professing their religious beliefs when it comes to our lives, our rights, our dignity and pass amendments to discriminate against us. Absolutely despicable people who deserve to be outed, one of the things I've always supported. William, thank you. Its a sad commentary but a fact that these people are so full of shame, guilt and totally in denial. These are the same people who vote for and support inequality. They denigrate our lives, tell us that we are a threat to marriage yet it is they who are the biggest hypocrites and bigots who happen to be the real threat to marriage. They cheat on their spouses with opposite and same sex people but assume the moral high ground professing their religious beliefs when it comes to our lives, our rights, our dignity and pass amendments to discriminate against us. Absolutely despicable people who deserve to be outed, one of the things I've always supported.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26229 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:03:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26229 Adrian, I so agree with you. The French have a very good system wherein religious instruction in schools is not permitted as part of the curriculum, but for any parent who wants their children to receive religious instruction, then they can do so after school hours, and France surprisingly has no state religion except that it is unofficially, overwhelmingly Catholic. State schools should not be teaching about one faith but all faiths if they have to and church schools should not be receiving government subsidies either. Its time to separate government from any ties to religion once and for all. It should not be forced on any child since religious belief systems are choices. Getting back to the issue at hand, I am in support for laws protecting any group if they are the target of hate speech whose intent is to incite violence or death against that group or persons without exception. Adrian, I so agree with you. The French have a very good system wherein religious instruction in schools is not permitted as part of the curriculum, but for any parent who wants their children to receive religious instruction, then they can do so after school hours, and France surprisingly has no state religion except that it is unofficially, overwhelmingly Catholic. State schools should not be teaching about one faith but all faiths if they have to and church schools should not be receiving government subsidies either. Its time to separate government from any ties to religion once and for all. It should not be forced on any child since religious belief systems are choices. Getting back to the issue at hand, I am in support for laws protecting any group if they are the target of hate speech whose intent is to incite violence or death against that group or persons without exception.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26230 William - Dublin Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:43:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26230 Robert, you are quiet right. I have always felt that our biggest enemy are not balanced straight people, but closeted gays who are so full of self loathing, or need to cover their identity, that they become obsessed with oppressing the rest of us to feel better, or hide their tracks. I am always fascinated that these same people tend to be in gay bars or saunas after midnight after leaving their "wife" behind and putting their wedding ring in their pocket. Robert, you are quiet right. I have always felt that our biggest enemy are not balanced straight people, but closeted gays who are so full of self loathing, or need to cover their identity, that they become obsessed with oppressing the rest of us to feel better, or hide their tracks. I am always fascinated that these same people tend to be in gay bars or saunas after midnight after leaving their "wife" behind and putting their wedding ring in their pocket.

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]]> By: World of Twist http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26231 World of Twist Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:15:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26231 Robert Ex-patAmen to that brother,Loved your comment about conservative gays in America btw. Spot on analysis. Robert Ex-patAmen to that brother,Loved your comment about conservative gays in America btw. Spot on analysis.

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]]> By: AdrianT http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26232 AdrianT Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:15:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26232 AM in two minds about this bill. For one thing, yes, anyone who incides violence against another person should be dealt with severely by the law. But the bill won't do anything to change or challenge opinion.Thomas Paine's 1794 introduction to The Age of Reason sums up my opinion: "...I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it. The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall...." If religious groups feel they should make their homophobic views heard, they must do so. Otherwise my right to mock and ridicule their crackpot beliefs is taken away. What I fear, with all these laws against "religious hatred" as well, we may have a situation where no-one can argue with anyone. We have "gated-ghettos" of opinions, ringfenced from criticism, and this is very dangerous for society. And reasonable criticism is labelled as "hatespeech". (What is actually wrong with 'hate' ?? - I definitely do hate religious beliefs. Sometimes, e.g. when a critically ill daughter of a jehova's witness is dying through lack of blood in the operating theatre, it is reasonable, morally justifiable, even essential, to express this.). People should be free to express opinion. Religious beliefs should be open to scrutiny, and this talk of 'respect for religious belief' be eradicated. It would help greatly if children were not indoctrinated by schools, but exposed to as many religions / creation myths as possible from an early age. and taught how to think critically, and learn what 'evidence' is. Fat chance on that score.Of course Christians, Jews and Muslims people are going to make dangerous infantile, homophobic remarks; the Bible, Pentateuch, Hadith and Koran all say you have to hate gays. The orthodox, fundamental religious people are being logical, rather than picking and choosing the 'nice' verses like moderates do. (such selection shows we don't need religion to decide right from wrong)People who believe in anything without evidence need to be seen as stupid and deluded and made to be held accountable for their ridiculous beliefs. That would be a far greater achievement than stopping homophobic speech.After all, first century theology combined with 21st century technology is probably the biggest threat to the human race, after global warming. AM in two minds about this bill. For one thing, yes, anyone who incides violence against another person should be dealt with severely by the law. But the bill won't do anything to change or challenge opinion.Thomas Paine's 1794 introduction to The Age of Reason sums up my opinion: "…I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it. The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall…." If religious groups feel they should make their homophobic views heard, they must do so. Otherwise my right to mock and ridicule their crackpot beliefs is taken away. What I fear, with all these laws against "religious hatred" as well, we may have a situation where no-one can argue with anyone. We have "gated-ghettos" of opinions, ringfenced from criticism, and this is very dangerous for society. And reasonable criticism is labelled as "hatespeech". (What is actually wrong with 'hate' ?? – I definitely do hate religious beliefs. Sometimes, e.g. when a critically ill daughter of a jehova's witness is dying through lack of blood in the operating theatre, it is reasonable, morally justifiable, even essential, to express this.). People should be free to express opinion. Religious beliefs should be open to scrutiny, and this talk of 'respect for religious belief' be eradicated. It would help greatly if children were not indoctrinated by schools, but exposed to as many religions / creation myths as possible from an early age. and taught how to think critically, and learn what 'evidence' is. Fat chance on that score.Of course Christians, Jews and Muslims people are going to make dangerous infantile, homophobic remarks; the Bible, Pentateuch, Hadith and Koran all say you have to hate gays. The orthodox, fundamental religious people are being logical, rather than picking and choosing the 'nice' verses like moderates do. (such selection shows we don't need religion to decide right from wrong)People who believe in anything without evidence need to be seen as stupid and deluded and made to be held accountable for their ridiculous beliefs. That would be a far greater achievement than stopping homophobic speech.After all, first century theology combined with 21st century technology is probably the biggest threat to the human race, after global warming.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26233 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:46:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26233 World of Twist, I concur with that. Actually, conservatives are far more closeted with far more hangups than those of us who are progressives. They'll even deny who they are if they're back is up against the wall. I could NEVER get involved with any conservative, poles apart on most issues, definitely not compatible. Who needs the grief? World of Twist, I concur with that. Actually, conservatives are far more closeted with far more hangups than those of us who are progressives. They'll even deny who they are if they're back is up against the wall. I could NEVER get involved with any conservative, poles apart on most issues, definitely not compatible. Who needs the grief?

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26234 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:38:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26234 Neville, I only wish that were possible. In the U.S. we have more than one million Log Cabiners (conservative gay men and women) voting for and supporting right wing candidates, candidates who do not believe in equality and who would rather see us remain silent, stay in the closet and just shut up or go away, all the while taking financial contributions to their campaigns. All that conservative gay voters in the U.S. care about is the preservation of their wealth, their second homes, cars, two international vacations a year, tax loopholes and maintaining their lives of privilege while the rest of us can go to hell. Equality is not high on their list of priorities, never was, never will be. These gay conservative voters support a party that also swiftly enacted amendments in 27 states out of 50 to prohibit same-sex couples from marrying and/or having a civil union (partnership). Go figure. Sounds like self-loathing to me, but then its a party that engenders this kind of behaviour.Lets not forget, Cameron defended and supported section 28 as did the majority in his party. I don't trust anyone who could support a pernicious piece of legislation like that. A leopard never changes its spots. Neville, I only wish that were possible. In the U.S. we have more than one million Log Cabiners (conservative gay men and women) voting for and supporting right wing candidates, candidates who do not believe in equality and who would rather see us remain silent, stay in the closet and just shut up or go away, all the while taking financial contributions to their campaigns. All that conservative gay voters in the U.S. care about is the preservation of their wealth, their second homes, cars, two international vacations a year, tax loopholes and maintaining their lives of privilege while the rest of us can go to hell. Equality is not high on their list of priorities, never was, never will be. These gay conservative voters support a party that also swiftly enacted amendments in 27 states out of 50 to prohibit same-sex couples from marrying and/or having a civil union (partnership). Go figure. Sounds like self-loathing to me, but then its a party that engenders this kind of behaviour.Lets not forget, Cameron defended and supported section 28 as did the majority in his party. I don't trust anyone who could support a pernicious piece of legislation like that. A leopard never changes its spots.

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]]> By: World of Twist http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26235 World of Twist Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:37:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26235 Personally I don't think we should grant them any concessions whatsoever. One cannpt appease right wingers.With them it's just the thin end of the wedge. What next? Any success they have is considered by them to be a stepping stone,they should not be encouraged as they won't relent until they have what they want, and what they want is to our detriment.This is war.A war they declared on us, not the other way around. Be vigilant!By the way I started watching Jesus camp last night and after I saw five minutes of how they brain washed those kids I just couldn't watch any more. Personally I don't think we should grant them any concessions whatsoever. One cannpt appease right wingers.With them it's just the thin end of the wedge. What next? Any success they have is considered by them to be a stepping stone,they should not be encouraged as they won't relent until they have what they want, and what they want is to our detriment.This is war.A war they declared on us, not the other way around. Be vigilant!By the way I started watching Jesus camp last night and after I saw five minutes of how they brain washed those kids I just couldn't watch any more.

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]]> By: World of Twist http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26236 World of Twist Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:28:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26236 Yet unbelievably there are right wing gays in the world. I know I nearly dated one,actually two. May sound daft but I just couldn't take it to the next level with them.It would make me feel so dirty. Besides they tend to be wankers (goes with the territory) Yet unbelievably there are right wing gays in the world. I know I nearly dated one,actually two. May sound daft but I just couldn't take it to the next level with them.It would make me feel so dirty. Besides they tend to be wankers (goes with the territory)

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26237 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:25:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26237 Andy, it needs to be abolished so that they can't take legal action for frivolous claims (blasphemy) against us. Having said that, I hope they're not under the impression that we will not bash them. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. We can give it right back in abundance. Of course, none of us like what they say about us, but they have a right to do so, just as we do when we bash them. Sooner or later, they run out of excuses, they lose credibility, people are sophisticated enough to see through most of it. We're not a religious society as America is so I don't think its going to be such a big issue anyway. Every society has its right wing conservative nutjobs, they are no exception. These people don't like change so they react negatively, its a natural reflex, but we can handle it and we can handle them. Andy, it needs to be abolished so that they can't take legal action for frivolous claims (blasphemy) against us. Having said that, I hope they're not under the impression that we will not bash them. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. We can give it right back in abundance. Of course, none of us like what they say about us, but they have a right to do so, just as we do when we bash them. Sooner or later, they run out of excuses, they lose credibility, people are sophisticated enough to see through most of it. We're not a religious society as America is so I don't think its going to be such a big issue anyway. Every society has its right wing conservative nutjobs, they are no exception. These people don't like change so they react negatively, its a natural reflex, but we can handle it and we can handle them.

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]]> By: Neville http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26238 Neville Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:38:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26238 To answer Simon's point: It should not be possible for gay people to ever vote for the Tory party. It is still very largely, with a few honourable exceptions, a homophobic party. To answer Simon's point: It should not be possible for gay people to ever vote for the Tory party. It is still very largely, with a few honourable exceptions, a homophobic party.

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]]> By: Simon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26239 Simon Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26239 Why does the headline focus on 12 Labour MP's when something in the region of 150 (that's more than 10 times 12) TORY MP's voted in favour of the amendment?The vast majority of Tory MP's voted for this amendment.TORY = EVIL and don't forget it. Why does the headline focus on 12 Labour MP's when something in the region of 150 (that's more than 10 times 12) TORY MP's voted in favour of the amendment?The vast majority of Tory MP's voted for this amendment.TORY = EVIL and don't forget it.

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]]> By: Andy Armitage http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26240 Andy Armitage Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:15:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26240 "However, the government has given repeated assurances that religious people will continue to have the right to express their homophobic views."Hmm, so why bother with this silly amendment, then? Let the buggers say what they will - because you can bet your bottom that other freedoms to express opinion will be stamped on before long. I have no objection whatever if some man in a frock and a dog collar wants to tell me I'm vile. I'll defeat him with argument and ridicule. I may not agree with what he says but, to cite Voltaire, will fight to let him say it. I think the gay community can handle what bloody priests and prelates want to hand out. What do they think we are - a load of poofs? "However, the government has given repeated assurances that religious people will continue to have the right to express their homophobic views."Hmm, so why bother with this silly amendment, then? Let the buggers say what they will – because you can bet your bottom that other freedoms to express opinion will be stamped on before long. I have no objection whatever if some man in a frock and a dog collar wants to tell me I'm vile. I'll defeat him with argument and ridicule. I may not agree with what he says but, to cite Voltaire, will fight to let him say it. I think the gay community can handle what bloody priests and prelates want to hand out. What do they think we are – a load of poofs?

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]]> By: cb http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26241 cb Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:25:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26241 Can we now leave Ruth Kelly alone? There was a lot of hype about her last year which suggested, sans evidence, she was a bigot when, in fact, she has a pretty good record on these things. Can we now leave Ruth Kelly alone? There was a lot of hype about her last year which suggested, sans evidence, she was a bigot when, in fact, she has a pretty good record on these things.

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]]> By: World of Twist http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26242 World of Twist Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:57:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26242 William,DublinDo we get Trolls on here (in the form of Tom Forrest) ?? Excellent riposte at him btw, although the irony of discussing personal hygiene with a straight boy is not lost.I think it's very dodgy indeed for a supposed straight man to troll on a gay forum like this. I do hope he can find peace within himself.Tom ForrestKeep a wide stance ranger.Robert ex-pat BritAgree totally, it IS insane and sick.How those that believe in the supernatural can bully the rest of us in going along with their deranged programme is beyond belief.Hope you all had a good Christmas all. William,DublinDo we get Trolls on here (in the form of Tom Forrest) ?? Excellent riposte at him btw, although the irony of discussing personal hygiene with a straight boy is not lost.I think it's very dodgy indeed for a supposed straight man to troll on a gay forum like this. I do hope he can find peace within himself.Tom ForrestKeep a wide stance ranger.Robert ex-pat BritAgree totally, it IS insane and sick.How those that believe in the supernatural can bully the rest of us in going along with their deranged programme is beyond belief.Hope you all had a good Christmas all.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html/comment-page-2/#comment-26243 William - Dublin Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:45:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6521.html#comment-26243 "homosexual grooming"??? Why thank you Tom, I do make sure I am groomed well. Hygiene is important, and good grooming is essential to make a good impression, don't you agree?Although given your draconian and hateful little comments, one can be forgiven for assuming you wash in a swamp.Why is an uneducated cretin like you in a gay site for Christmas, your wife out turning tricks for your drink money? "homosexual grooming"??? Why thank you Tom, I do make sure I am groomed well. Hygiene is important, and good grooming is essential to make a good impression, don't you agree?Although given your draconian and hateful little comments, one can be forgiven for assuming you wash in a swamp.Why is an uneducated cretin like you in a gay site for Christmas, your wife out turning tricks for your drink money?

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