Comments on: Spanish PM slams Church over "family" rally comments http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:45:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25842 Sister Mary Clarence Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:13:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25842 Thank you William/Leilah - although Leilah, you do of course realise that you will in fact now be me, or I will in fact be you, which ever way round it is.None of your protestations about not being a Tory will have been absorbed in any way shape or form. The mere fact that you have uttered the word will be damning proof that you are the love child of Margaret Thatcher and a true blue through and through. Thank you William/Leilah – although Leilah, you do of course realise that you will in fact now be me, or I will in fact be you, which ever way round it is.None of your protestations about not being a Tory will have been absorbed in any way shape or form. The mere fact that you have uttered the word will be damning proof that you are the love child of Margaret Thatcher and a true blue through and through.

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]]> By: Leilah http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25843 Leilah Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:01:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25843 Thank you William. That was very well said. Mr Perdue is so obviously wrapped up in his fantasy world that he can't imagine people could have an opinion without being alligned to a political party. It is possible Bill. Now just to clariy: I live on the other side of the world and am NOT SMC, et al. I am not a Tory, Republican or with any other political party that you choose to spout about. Those parties don't even exist in my country so please keep your dilusions to yourself. Yes I am using an alias to protect my identity. No I am not scared, nor do I have anything to hide, and no I'm not afraid to stand by my convictions; however I do wish to protect against my details being used - ever heard of identity theft Bill/Omar? You are both being repugnant by using bullying tactics to suggest people should be as brave (read STUPID) as yourselves and publish their real names. Thank you William. That was very well said. Mr Perdue is so obviously wrapped up in his fantasy world that he can't imagine people could have an opinion without being alligned to a political party. It is possible Bill. Now just to clariy: I live on the other side of the world and am NOT SMC, et al. I am not a Tory, Republican or with any other political party that you choose to spout about. Those parties don't even exist in my country so please keep your dilusions to yourself. Yes I am using an alias to protect my identity. No I am not scared, nor do I have anything to hide, and no I'm not afraid to stand by my convictions; however I do wish to protect against my details being used – ever heard of identity theft Bill/Omar? You are both being repugnant by using bullying tactics to suggest people should be as brave (read STUPID) as yourselves and publish their real names.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25844 William - Dublin Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:38:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25844 That fool Bill Perdue STILL thinks I'm you, Sister Mary. And another blah blah rant about him and his pet hates. He's a brave man for one so dull and with such a proven track record for racism. So, for all you new comers here, anyone who doesn't agree with Bill's dull rhetoric, is (1) A "tory troll" (regardless of your political or national identity) and (2) the same person i.e. Sister Mary/Luke/Steve/etcHmmm. Bill forgot to take his Ritalin again, hasn't he? He should buy a map... he seems to have all the geographical knowledge of a blind lemming. Ireland is England being the same in his mind and the like. How sad to be THAT dumb.Okay, Bill, I know your degrees are fake, so I'll keep this simple. (1) Not everyone who thinks your a complete tit is actually Sister Mary. Occam's Razor would indicate that you ARE a tit and everyone dislikes you because your a bully, and idiot and a filthy racist. There are simply too many of us here who think that to be one person. QED.(2) There is NO tory party in the Republic of Ireland, anyone with even an ounce of intelligence would know that.(3) You're a racist, so no one really takes you seriously.Now run along and find yourself a real education, Bill O'Fool... That fool Bill Perdue STILL thinks I'm you, Sister Mary. And another blah blah rant about him and his pet hates. He's a brave man for one so dull and with such a proven track record for racism. So, for all you new comers here, anyone who doesn't agree with Bill's dull rhetoric, is (1) A "tory troll" (regardless of your political or national identity) and (2) the same person i.e. Sister Mary/Luke/Steve/etcHmmm. Bill forgot to take his Ritalin again, hasn't he? He should buy a map… he seems to have all the geographical knowledge of a blind lemming. Ireland is England being the same in his mind and the like. How sad to be THAT dumb.Okay, Bill, I know your degrees are fake, so I'll keep this simple. (1) Not everyone who thinks your a complete tit is actually Sister Mary. Occam's Razor would indicate that you ARE a tit and everyone dislikes you because your a bully, and idiot and a filthy racist. There are simply too many of us here who think that to be one person. QED.(2) There is NO tory party in the Republic of Ireland, anyone with even an ounce of intelligence would know that.(3) You're a racist, so no one really takes you seriously.Now run along and find yourself a real education, Bill O'Fool…

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25845 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:31:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25845 Good for Prime Minister Zapatero of Spain and his government. About time our own government had the guts, including Cameron if he's elected, to have the courage and common decency to do the same with C of E and others. Nice to see a government defending the rights of its people against an institution of bigotry, discrimination and hypocrisy. Good for Prime Minister Zapatero of Spain and his government. About time our own government had the guts, including Cameron if he's elected, to have the courage and common decency to do the same with C of E and others. Nice to see a government defending the rights of its people against an institution of bigotry, discrimination and hypocrisy.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25846 Sister Mary Clarence Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:34:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25846 Pulling it back to reality Bill, I don't think the police are advising people to beware of these 'Tory trolls' you keep referring to.The case cited in the Times referred to some nutter that got into an argument over Iraq I believe and there is no mention of either the victim, his attacker, the police officer quoted or anyone else voting for the Conservative party. The could potentially all be raving Marxists like your good self.It is interesting that you seem to be in support of Omar asking me for my true identity when an allegation has already been made that you made accusations of paedophilia against individuals when you got hold of their identities on the internet.Interesting too that the link to your elusive website never seems to work and we are therefore unable to find out what dark secrets it holds about you. Pulling it back to reality Bill, I don't think the police are advising people to beware of these 'Tory trolls' you keep referring to.The case cited in the Times referred to some nutter that got into an argument over Iraq I believe and there is no mention of either the victim, his attacker, the police officer quoted or anyone else voting for the Conservative party. The could potentially all be raving Marxists like your good self.It is interesting that you seem to be in support of Omar asking me for my true identity when an allegation has already been made that you made accusations of paedophilia against individuals when you got hold of their identities on the internet.Interesting too that the link to your elusive website never seems to work and we are therefore unable to find out what dark secrets it holds about you.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25847 Bill Perdue Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:40:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25847 Why would anyone (except Mother Superior) be remotely interested in repeating the absurdly slanderous claims of Mother Superior? Whenever Mother Superior loses a political argument, and he always does because he’s a rightwing Conservative, he mutates into Sister Mary Victim and commences to bleat and whine, claiming that people are out to get him. In reality we just want him to end these childish song and dance routines and stick to politics. But that's difficult for Conservatives. Most political parties have both strengths and weaknesses – the Conservatives only have weaknesses and that’s why they resort to these whining offensives. Omar did say that he’s out and proud. That is a far cry from asking someone to reveal personal information. From my point of view the less I know about that loser Sister Mary Thatcher the better. Omar said “SMC, if you are comfortable behind your alias that is your freedom and choice.” If I had politics as bad as Sister Mary Clueless I’d hide too. As I said before no one has any objection to the legitimate or even casual use of nicknames by posters. Some have a genuine need for anonymity and who can blame them with these Tory trolls trawling the blogosphere. I’m sure that Omar does will not let this latest example of the ‘treatment’ deflect him for his important work in defending our brothers and sisters in Iran who are threatened with torture and hanging. That’s exactly what Mother Superior cum Steve(2) intend but it won’t work. The rest of us will continue to support Omar’s efforts. By the way, Omar, there have been several GLBT news reports here that the next series of state supported lynchings in Iran will be gays. Do you have any new information on that? And if you haven’t seen it the TUC has an informative story about the ongoing campaign of the ayatollahs against labor leaders in Iran. Why would anyone (except Mother Superior) be remotely interested in repeating the absurdly slanderous claims of Mother Superior? Whenever Mother Superior loses a political argument, and he always does because he’s a rightwing Conservative, he mutates into Sister Mary Victim and commences to bleat and whine, claiming that people are out to get him. In reality we just want him to end these childish song and dance routines and stick to politics. But that's difficult for Conservatives. Most political parties have both strengths and weaknesses – the Conservatives only have weaknesses and that’s why they resort to these whining offensives. Omar did say that he’s out and proud. That is a far cry from asking someone to reveal personal information. From my point of view the less I know about that loser Sister Mary Thatcher the better. Omar said “SMC, if you are comfortable behind your alias that is your freedom and choice.” If I had politics as bad as Sister Mary Clueless I’d hide too. As I said before no one has any objection to the legitimate or even casual use of nicknames by posters. Some have a genuine need for anonymity and who can blame them with these Tory trolls trawling the blogosphere. I’m sure that Omar does will not let this latest example of the ‘treatment’ deflect him for his important work in defending our brothers and sisters in Iran who are threatened with torture and hanging. That’s exactly what Mother Superior cum Steve(2) intend but it won’t work. The rest of us will continue to support Omar’s efforts. By the way, Omar, there have been several GLBT news reports here that the next series of state supported lynchings in Iran will be gays. Do you have any new information on that? And if you haven’t seen it the TUC has an informative story about the ongoing campaign of the ayatollahs against labor leaders in Iran.

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]]> By: Steve (2) http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25848 Steve (2) Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:25:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25848 omar, i'm quite interested to know why you should be so keen to have SMC's true identity.everyone using this site should be aware of the dangers of revealing their true identity to anyone else whether on this site or any other. if they aren't already then they should consider taking steps to inform themselves about those dangers.to be frank i'm very surprised that the editor has not censured you for this in the same way you received a rebuke for publishing a telephone number. omar, i'm quite interested to know why you should be so keen to have SMC's true identity.everyone using this site should be aware of the dangers of revealing their true identity to anyone else whether on this site or any other. if they aren't already then they should consider taking steps to inform themselves about those dangers.to be frank i'm very surprised that the editor has not censured you for this in the same way you received a rebuke for publishing a telephone number.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25849 Sister Mary Clarence Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:36:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25849 Omar, why now challenged about it do you not care? You have been very keen on a number of ocassions for me to reveal my true identity. Why?The Times October 18, 2006Man has throat slashed in 'web rage'Police have warned chat-room users not to include personal details after a poster was tracked downBy Fran Yeoman POLICE warned internet users to protect their real identities after a man was convicted yesterday of Britain’s first “web rage” attack. Paul Gibbons, 47, of Bermondsey, southeast London, attacked John Jones with a pickaxe handle and knife, slitting his throat, after tracing Mr Jones to his house after an argument in an online chat room. Gibbons pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey to unlawful wounding yesterday in what police said was the first conviction of its kind. The court was told that Mr Jones, 43, had posted personal details about himself online and used his real name when participating in a Yahoo! chatroom dedicated to Islam, where he met Gibbons. These details allowed Gibbons, who has a string of previous convictions for violence and weapons offences, to locate his victim’s home address in Clacton, Essex, using electoral records. Gibbons, who used the username Pastordevil, argued about Muslims and the war on Iraq with Mr Jones through the chatroom. He then accused the father of three of being a paedophile, and told other chat room users of his plans for revenge. Ibitayo Adebayo, for the prosecution, told the court: “There were exchanges of views between the victim and the defendant, which were threatening on both sides. Certainly there was some hostility.” The lawyer said that on Boxing Day last year Mr Jones asked Gibbons “to attend a place near Tower Bridge in order to sort things out. The victim attended with his sister. The defendant did not.” Gibbons, 47, then arrived at Mr Jones’s house on December 28 carrying a pickaxe handle, together with an unnamed accomplice armed with a machete. “The victim was working on his computer,” Mr Adebayo continued. “His two elder children were just outside playing. His wife was taking a bath and the youngest child was asleep. “The victim heard his name being shouted out outside and he heard a knock on the door.” Mr Jones opened the front door carrying a knife for protection, but was soon pushed to the floor. “There was a scuffle on the landing between this defendant and the victim. The victim ended up on the floor and was beaten with the pickaxe handle,” Mr Adebayo said. Mr Jones tried to protect himself with the knife, but Gibbons managed to take it from him and then attacked Mr Jones with his own blade. During the assault, Mr Jones’s throat was cut from his Adam’s apple to his ear, narrowly missing the jugular vein. Mr Adebayo said that Gibbons told him: “Jones, if you carry on, I will f***ing kill you.” Mr Jones’s wife, Deborah Andrews, emerged from the bathroom and called for help, causing Gibbons to flee. Doctors later noted that Mr Jones had further cuts to his head, neck and hands. Police arrested Gibbons on January 11. They also seized the computer from the flat where he lived alone. It then emerged that he had boasted about his violent plans to another chatroom user called Angie, who has never been identified. On December 23 he wrote: “I am a law-abiding person but I’ll make an exception for Jones.” Another message, sent the day before the attack, read: “He’s going to regret it tomorrow. I’m looking forward to tomorrow.” Hours after the assault, Gibbons, who also used the user names Exudes, Devilishness and Pastordevil-tard-killer, logged on again and told Angie: “I had his knife at his throat. He was screaming in fear. He never stood a chance. Jones was freaked.” He later added: “It went perfectly to plan.” After his guilty plea, Gibbons was remanded in custody by Judge Richard Hawkins, QC, to be sentenced on November 7. He has previous convictions dating from 1975, including for assault and carrying weapons. A charge of the attempted murder of Mr Jones and four charges of online threats to kill four other chat room users were left to lie on the file. Sergeant Jean-Marc Bazzoni, who led the investigation for Essex Police, said his advice was: “Never put personal details on the web if you are using chat rooms. It was easy for Gibbons to track the victims down because he built up a picture of personal details they had let slip. And people need to make sure they know what their children are doing when they are on the internet.”I've now sought clarification as to whether you are making threats against me and you appear to threaten me with libel in return and suddenly are no longer interested in who I am, after pestering me repeatedly to find out.I think if I am misunderstanding your words the obvious solution is for you to explain exactly what you mean rather than avoiding questions and cutting and pasting text you have googled from the internet. Omar, why now challenged about it do you not care? You have been very keen on a number of ocassions for me to reveal my true identity. Why?The Times October 18, 2006Man has throat slashed in 'web rage'Police have warned chat-room users not to include personal details after a poster was tracked downBy Fran Yeoman POLICE warned internet users to protect their real identities after a man was convicted yesterday of Britain’s first “web rage” attack. Paul Gibbons, 47, of Bermondsey, southeast London, attacked John Jones with a pickaxe handle and knife, slitting his throat, after tracing Mr Jones to his house after an argument in an online chat room. Gibbons pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey to unlawful wounding yesterday in what police said was the first conviction of its kind. The court was told that Mr Jones, 43, had posted personal details about himself online and used his real name when participating in a Yahoo! chatroom dedicated to Islam, where he met Gibbons. These details allowed Gibbons, who has a string of previous convictions for violence and weapons offences, to locate his victim’s home address in Clacton, Essex, using electoral records. Gibbons, who used the username Pastordevil, argued about Muslims and the war on Iraq with Mr Jones through the chatroom. He then accused the father of three of being a paedophile, and told other chat room users of his plans for revenge. Ibitayo Adebayo, for the prosecution, told the court: “There were exchanges of views between the victim and the defendant, which were threatening on both sides. Certainly there was some hostility.” The lawyer said that on Boxing Day last year Mr Jones asked Gibbons “to attend a place near Tower Bridge in order to sort things out. The victim attended with his sister. The defendant did not.” Gibbons, 47, then arrived at Mr Jones’s house on December 28 carrying a pickaxe handle, together with an unnamed accomplice armed with a machete. “The victim was working on his computer,” Mr Adebayo continued. “His two elder children were just outside playing. His wife was taking a bath and the youngest child was asleep. “The victim heard his name being shouted out outside and he heard a knock on the door.” Mr Jones opened the front door carrying a knife for protection, but was soon pushed to the floor. “There was a scuffle on the landing between this defendant and the victim. The victim ended up on the floor and was beaten with the pickaxe handle,” Mr Adebayo said. Mr Jones tried to protect himself with the knife, but Gibbons managed to take it from him and then attacked Mr Jones with his own blade. During the assault, Mr Jones’s throat was cut from his Adam’s apple to his ear, narrowly missing the jugular vein. Mr Adebayo said that Gibbons told him: “Jones, if you carry on, I will f***ing kill you.” Mr Jones’s wife, Deborah Andrews, emerged from the bathroom and called for help, causing Gibbons to flee. Doctors later noted that Mr Jones had further cuts to his head, neck and hands. Police arrested Gibbons on January 11. They also seized the computer from the flat where he lived alone. It then emerged that he had boasted about his violent plans to another chatroom user called Angie, who has never been identified. On December 23 he wrote: “I am a law-abiding person but I’ll make an exception for Jones.” Another message, sent the day before the attack, read: “He’s going to regret it tomorrow. I’m looking forward to tomorrow.” Hours after the assault, Gibbons, who also used the user names Exudes, Devilishness and Pastordevil-tard-killer, logged on again and told Angie: “I had his knife at his throat. He was screaming in fear. He never stood a chance. Jones was freaked.” He later added: “It went perfectly to plan.” After his guilty plea, Gibbons was remanded in custody by Judge Richard Hawkins, QC, to be sentenced on November 7. He has previous convictions dating from 1975, including for assault and carrying weapons. A charge of the attempted murder of Mr Jones and four charges of online threats to kill four other chat room users were left to lie on the file. Sergeant Jean-Marc Bazzoni, who led the investigation for Essex Police, said his advice was: “Never put personal details on the web if you are using chat rooms. It was easy for Gibbons to track the victims down because he built up a picture of personal details they had let slip. And people need to make sure they know what their children are doing when they are on the internet.”I've now sought clarification as to whether you are making threats against me and you appear to threaten me with libel in return and suddenly are no longer interested in who I am, after pestering me repeatedly to find out.I think if I am misunderstanding your words the obvious solution is for you to explain exactly what you mean rather than avoiding questions and cutting and pasting text you have googled from the internet.

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]]> By: OMAR KUDDUS http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25850 OMAR KUDDUS Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25850 1.Are you able to explain exactly why you want my real identity? I don’t, and frankly don’t care who you are. An non significant person.The difference is that I am prepared to put my name and reputation on the line for my beliefs and do not thus need to hide behind an alias, as no one who is serious about their beliefs and political standings do.2.What do you propose to do with it when you have it exactly?The above answers that, and I have never asked you or any one else to revile their true identity. Again assumption and misrepresentation, as I have said words to the effect that I don’t hide behind an alias.3.Apparently you seem to be unaware of what does and does not amount to deformation and libel so to put you in the picture; “In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action."Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published.. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, blogging and the like, then it is considered libel.”4. Are you threatening to take legal action against me for defamation?Again, I get the feeling that your grasp of the language is letting you down and you are missreading things that are said.5. If I was “threatening to take legal action against” you, You would be the first to know about it. End of discussion ever with SMC, so post what you like or say what you want, I frankly don’t give a *##+!!$$ as a majority of the people on the site don’t either. 1.Are you able to explain exactly why you want my real identity? I don’t, and frankly don’t care who you are. An non significant person.The difference is that I am prepared to put my name and reputation on the line for my beliefs and do not thus need to hide behind an alias, as no one who is serious about their beliefs and political standings do.2.What do you propose to do with it when you have it exactly?The above answers that, and I have never asked you or any one else to revile their true identity. Again assumption and misrepresentation, as I have said words to the effect that I don’t hide behind an alias.3.Apparently you seem to be unaware of what does and does not amount to deformation and libel so to put you in the picture; “In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action."Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published.. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, blogging and the like, then it is considered libel.”4. Are you threatening to take legal action against me for defamation?Again, I get the feeling that your grasp of the language is letting you down and you are missreading things that are said.5. If I was “threatening to take legal action against” you, You would be the first to know about it. End of discussion ever with SMC, so post what you like or say what you want, I frankly don’t give a *##+!!$$ as a majority of the people on the site don’t either.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25851 Bill Perdue Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:16:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25851 Omar. A more blatantly islamophobic concoction of hate filled garbage cannot be imagined. Mother Superior is crying wolf and whining about being persecuted again, which happens every time he uses the Tory troll treatment on someone and they rebut him. And Mother Superior’s proof? Mother Superior cites my sympathy for him when Omar and many others swept her arguments in the only proper receptacle, the garbage can. Mother Superior claims that MY statement that ‘… some just laugh at the trolls or ignore them, and some, like Omar turn on them and do a creditable imitation of a nuclear explosion. I hope Mother Superior wasn’t burned too badly when it happened to him. No, really, I do’ is a threat to exact revenge by Omar. Mother Superior has porridge for brains. Is Mother Superior exhibiting signs of paranoia or engaging in a typical Tory troll slander. Who cares? The use of these tactics is documented on these two English websites which detail the troll tactics of divisiveness and diversion taught by the Conservative Policy Exchange, who in turn learned them from their mentors in the US Republican Party: guid...cessful_02.html arch..._nick_boles.asp In this case Mother Superior, aka Sister Mary Mindless initially did her usual act of belittling and lying including accusations of being of being a wretched foreigner, trying to hijack pinknews, having a personal agenda. It part of the unending stream of lies and slurs by Mother Superior and his faithful alterego Wsilliam, who make them under cover of aliases and fake personas. Fortunately, when they make gross errors like the invention of ‘Tomas’ or this lastet islamophobic attack on Omar Kuddos, they open them selves to the possibility of our being given access to the IP’s of the originating computers. Dense Mother Superior.Stupid on his part but then we’ve seen Sister Mary Brainless playing the fool before. When he invented ‘Tomas’ he didn’t even look at the staff list published on the website of California Equality. When ‘Tomas’ was exposed as a fake he had ‘Tomas’ claim that he was underground, using an alias and quivering in fear. Stupid Mother Superior. And as Sister Mary Clarence continued to write the script for ‘Tomas’ he idiotically forgot that many words are spelled differently in the US and used the spelling common in England. What a dim-wit. What will you have ‘Tomas’ say about that, Sister Mary Ridiculous? Will 'Tomas' claim that he writes that way becasue he’s the son of the US Ambassador, or a Rhodes Scholar, or a Cambridge Don on sabbatical with EQCA who's on the run from a machete wielding radical. Does ‘Tomas’ live on a fantasy western film set, or is it just his script writer being stupid again? I can hardly wait to find out. NOT. Sister Mary Clueless is always stumbling over his lies. I’d be neat if converted and got a job as a Vatican spin doctor. That would be like killing two birds with one stone… OH NO! OMG! What have I done? Now Mother Superior will call the police and tell them I'm threatening her with stoning. And the police will again offer to help Mother Superior get professional help. By the way, no one has any objection to the legitimate or even casual use of nicknames by posters. Some have a genuine need for anonymity and who can blame them with these Tory trolls trawling the blogosphere. Omar. A more blatantly islamophobic concoction of hate filled garbage cannot be imagined. Mother Superior is crying wolf and whining about being persecuted again, which happens every time he uses the Tory troll treatment on someone and they rebut him. And Mother Superior’s proof? Mother Superior cites my sympathy for him when Omar and many others swept her arguments in the only proper receptacle, the garbage can. Mother Superior claims that MY statement that ‘… some just laugh at the trolls or ignore them, and some, like Omar turn on them and do a creditable imitation of a nuclear explosion. I hope Mother Superior wasn’t burned too badly when it happened to him. No, really, I do’ is a threat to exact revenge by Omar. Mother Superior has porridge for brains. Is Mother Superior exhibiting signs of paranoia or engaging in a typical Tory troll slander. Who cares? The use of these tactics is documented on these two English websites which detail the troll tactics of divisiveness and diversion taught by the Conservative Policy Exchange, who in turn learned them from their mentors in the US Republican Party: guid…cessful_02.html arch…_nick_boles.asp In this case Mother Superior, aka Sister Mary Mindless initially did her usual act of belittling and lying including accusations of being of being a wretched foreigner, trying to hijack pinknews, having a personal agenda. It part of the unending stream of lies and slurs by Mother Superior and his faithful alterego Wsilliam, who make them under cover of aliases and fake personas. Fortunately, when they make gross errors like the invention of ‘Tomas’ or this lastet islamophobic attack on Omar Kuddos, they open them selves to the possibility of our being given access to the IP’s of the originating computers. Dense Mother Superior.Stupid on his part but then we’ve seen Sister Mary Brainless playing the fool before. When he invented ‘Tomas’ he didn’t even look at the staff list published on the website of California Equality. When ‘Tomas’ was exposed as a fake he had ‘Tomas’ claim that he was underground, using an alias and quivering in fear. Stupid Mother Superior. And as Sister Mary Clarence continued to write the script for ‘Tomas’ he idiotically forgot that many words are spelled differently in the US and used the spelling common in England. What a dim-wit. What will you have ‘Tomas’ say about that, Sister Mary Ridiculous? Will 'Tomas' claim that he writes that way becasue he’s the son of the US Ambassador, or a Rhodes Scholar, or a Cambridge Don on sabbatical with EQCA who's on the run from a machete wielding radical. Does ‘Tomas’ live on a fantasy western film set, or is it just his script writer being stupid again? I can hardly wait to find out. NOT. Sister Mary Clueless is always stumbling over his lies. I’d be neat if converted and got a job as a Vatican spin doctor. That would be like killing two birds with one stone… OH NO! OMG! What have I done? Now Mother Superior will call the police and tell them I'm threatening her with stoning. And the police will again offer to help Mother Superior get professional help. By the way, no one has any objection to the legitimate or even casual use of nicknames by posters. Some have a genuine need for anonymity and who can blame them with these Tory trolls trawling the blogosphere.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25852 Bill Perdue Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25852 Jen, the meaning of centrist in the US is a basically a fence sitter. It can also mean someone who is moving right or left by not quite there yet. It describes groups who are uncomfortable with the sharply defined ideologies of socialists or trade unionists and their opponents, the conservative defenders of property. Centrists are not always on the side of GLBT equality, although the Liberal Democrats are. There are precious few centrists in US politics. They include the Green Party, the Naderites and a very small centrist group among those who actually run and own the Democratic Party. There’s even a nanogrouplet in the Republican Party. What will shake things up during the next administration is the continued sizeable, rapid left radicalization of people who usually vote Democratic. That’s what will cause some big shifts as the US political landscape continues to splinter and shatter in the next few years. The last time anything of this magnitude happened was during the labor upsurge in the 1930’s and shortly before the Civil War. When I said socialists support GLBT rights I did exclude Stalinists and Maoists who have an abysmal record but even there some changes, very tentative and nothing to get excited about, have occurred. Stalinists and Maoists usually vacillate between accommodation to conservatism and wild eyed ultra left adventures, but as a rule whatever they do is guaranteed to be the wrong thing at the wrong time. These days’ lots of our opponents’ are paying lip service to GLBT rights. Look at the Conservatives. The statement that “The only people who are in their ideology solidly for such progress and treating all people as equal are liberals” is inaccurate if it's meant to be global. Liberals in Canada mainly fit that description, but they were tardy in adopting it compared to the NDP’s socialist leftwing. In your country the Lib Dems have taken very good positions on GLBT equality, took them before Labour did on and haven’t backed down from them. That’s to be applauded. So is their refusal to get into bed with Cameron’s reactionary party of islamophobia, union busting and pigheaded opposition to samesex marriage. Centrists have often taken very good positions on GLBT equality, but some, like the Irish Greens, when they become part of a ruling coalition, quickly forget their support for same sex marriage. Our movement needs all the help it can get and there are no reasons that all the groups and parties that support same sex marriage, which in many places is becoming the cutting edge of our movement shouldn’t work together. Jen, the meaning of centrist in the US is a basically a fence sitter. It can also mean someone who is moving right or left by not quite there yet. It describes groups who are uncomfortable with the sharply defined ideologies of socialists or trade unionists and their opponents, the conservative defenders of property. Centrists are not always on the side of GLBT equality, although the Liberal Democrats are. There are precious few centrists in US politics. They include the Green Party, the Naderites and a very small centrist group among those who actually run and own the Democratic Party. There’s even a nanogrouplet in the Republican Party. What will shake things up during the next administration is the continued sizeable, rapid left radicalization of people who usually vote Democratic. That’s what will cause some big shifts as the US political landscape continues to splinter and shatter in the next few years. The last time anything of this magnitude happened was during the labor upsurge in the 1930’s and shortly before the Civil War. When I said socialists support GLBT rights I did exclude Stalinists and Maoists who have an abysmal record but even there some changes, very tentative and nothing to get excited about, have occurred. Stalinists and Maoists usually vacillate between accommodation to conservatism and wild eyed ultra left adventures, but as a rule whatever they do is guaranteed to be the wrong thing at the wrong time. These days’ lots of our opponents’ are paying lip service to GLBT rights. Look at the Conservatives. The statement that “The only people who are in their ideology solidly for such progress and treating all people as equal are liberals” is inaccurate if it's meant to be global. Liberals in Canada mainly fit that description, but they were tardy in adopting it compared to the NDP’s socialist leftwing. In your country the Lib Dems have taken very good positions on GLBT equality, took them before Labour did on and haven’t backed down from them. That’s to be applauded. So is their refusal to get into bed with Cameron’s reactionary party of islamophobia, union busting and pigheaded opposition to samesex marriage. Centrists have often taken very good positions on GLBT equality, but some, like the Irish Greens, when they become part of a ruling coalition, quickly forget their support for same sex marriage. Our movement needs all the help it can get and there are no reasons that all the groups and parties that support same sex marriage, which in many places is becoming the cutting edge of our movement shouldn’t work together.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25853 Sister Mary Clarence Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:21:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25853 Omar, firstly take the time to read the link below, in relation to people using their real identities on internet chat sites.It is profoundly stupid to do so and against the recommendations of the police, so please stop asking me or anyone else to do so. Are you able to explain exactly why you want my real identity? What do you propose to do with it when you have it exactly?“….what you are saying amounts to libel and defamation amongst other things”. Any chance you could explain this in relation to the laws of defamation? Are you threatening to take legal action against me for defamation? Omar, firstly take the time to read the link below, in relation to people using their real identities on internet chat sites.It is profoundly stupid to do so and against the recommendations of the police, so please stop asking me or anyone else to do so. Are you able to explain exactly why you want my real identity? What do you propose to do with it when you have it exactly?“….what you are saying amounts to libel and defamation amongst other things”. Any chance you could explain this in relation to the laws of defamation? Are you threatening to take legal action against me for defamation?

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25854 Bill Perdue Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:17:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25854 Robert, I hope you stay and that other people slandered and insulted like Shawn of Canada come back. You and I are never going to agree on many things but I think we agree that samesex marriage is a line in the sand. And like many others, I think we agree that diversionary lies and divisive squabbling is bad for democratic discussion, debate and honest disagreement. It’s a waste of time to answer these slurs and insults, but I think that’s the point, if we’re doing that then the losers in the political debate can hide the fact that they lost. And unfortunately think it does drive some good people away when they get the coordinated 'treatment' from the same four for five ‘persona’ over and over. If we can find a way to stop the diversions and divisiveness maybe some authentic Tories and more people from Labour, the Lib Dems and others will jump in and we can have real conversations. One reason I like pinknews is that it’s a forum for people from across the EU. As I’ve said before, our movement is nothing if not international. GLBT folk worldwide have more in common with themselves than with others, irrespective of citizenship. Robert, I hope you stay and that other people slandered and insulted like Shawn of Canada come back. You and I are never going to agree on many things but I think we agree that samesex marriage is a line in the sand. And like many others, I think we agree that diversionary lies and divisive squabbling is bad for democratic discussion, debate and honest disagreement. It’s a waste of time to answer these slurs and insults, but I think that’s the point, if we’re doing that then the losers in the political debate can hide the fact that they lost. And unfortunately think it does drive some good people away when they get the coordinated 'treatment' from the same four for five ‘persona’ over and over. If we can find a way to stop the diversions and divisiveness maybe some authentic Tories and more people from Labour, the Lib Dems and others will jump in and we can have real conversations. One reason I like pinknews is that it’s a forum for people from across the EU. As I’ve said before, our movement is nothing if not international. GLBT folk worldwide have more in common with themselves than with others, irrespective of citizenship.

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]]> By: OMAR KUDDUS http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25855 OMAR KUDDUS Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:30:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25855 William,Fair is fair and as I said it was never my intent and if people cannot read properly and chose to pick selectively what has been said, and draw it out of context there is no debate.We can all do the same all day long and it would get us nowhere.Unlike others I quote accurately and as you, yourself said my, “arguments are strong enough without digressing”.I do not see any public apology however for others statements and misquotations and what can be construed as libel.Robert my point exactly, it would be a shame, and those who feel victimised should not let them for then the culprits has got there desired effect.No one is ever going to scare me off from speaking my mind, for that is exactly what my statutory rights allow me to do.You are in my books more than welcome and as stated what makes it an interesting point, when one can argue the position from ALL angles and those who resort to “foul language against others” are just using bully tactics.For you are correct that democracy is about “the freedom to express and exchange ideas not insult or bully people whose views differ from theirs, even if they are wrong”.I for one would miss your comments and as I find myself in the minority defending what is meant to be equality and freedom of choice, not have an balanced debate.I repeat what said to Bill, “It would be a shame if a few people temporarily stopped posting after a while “ because they get the Tory troll 'treatment'.” I personally hope that many of them return, irrespective of the atmosphere clearing or not and that they’ll stay. For to have a rational debate and not a one sided argument it requires their passion and commitment to equality, if for no other reason to balance out the debate.”So the message from me, is please, stay. And I am shore that Bill knows himself that I was not having a go at him, either and despite what people say to/about him, has the courage and integrity to see through it all, for in the end the TRUTH always emerges. By the way, has anyone got anywhere with the mysterious Tomas? William,Fair is fair and as I said it was never my intent and if people cannot read properly and chose to pick selectively what has been said, and draw it out of context there is no debate.We can all do the same all day long and it would get us nowhere.Unlike others I quote accurately and as you, yourself said my, “arguments are strong enough without digressing”.I do not see any public apology however for others statements and misquotations and what can be construed as libel.Robert my point exactly, it would be a shame, and those who feel victimised should not let them for then the culprits has got there desired effect.No one is ever going to scare me off from speaking my mind, for that is exactly what my statutory rights allow me to do.You are in my books more than welcome and as stated what makes it an interesting point, when one can argue the position from ALL angles and those who resort to “foul language against others” are just using bully tactics.For you are correct that democracy is about “the freedom to express and exchange ideas not insult or bully people whose views differ from theirs, even if they are wrong”.I for one would miss your comments and as I find myself in the minority defending what is meant to be equality and freedom of choice, not have an balanced debate.I repeat what said to Bill, “It would be a shame if a few people temporarily stopped posting after a while “ because they get the Tory troll 'treatment'.” I personally hope that many of them return, irrespective of the atmosphere clearing or not and that they’ll stay. For to have a rational debate and not a one sided argument it requires their passion and commitment to equality, if for no other reason to balance out the debate.”So the message from me, is please, stay. And I am shore that Bill knows himself that I was not having a go at him, either and despite what people say to/about him, has the courage and integrity to see through it all, for in the end the TRUTH always emerges. By the way, has anyone got anywhere with the mysterious Tomas?

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]]> By: William Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25856 William Dublin Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:35:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25856 "Let it be put on record, that if I have offended anyone that is far from the intent"Fair enough, Omar. "Let it be put on record, that if I have offended anyone that is far from the intent"Fair enough, Omar.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25857 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:02:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25857 Omar, in regard to your comment to Bill,It would be a shame if a few people temporarily stopped posting after a while “ because they get the Tory troll 'treatment'.” I personally hope that many of them return, irrespective of the atmosphere clearing or not and that they’ll stay. For to have a rational debate and not a one sided argument it requires their passion and commitment to equality, if for no other reason to balance out the debate.Omar, I don't blame anyone leaving this site especially when some here resort to using foul language against others. If they can't accept differing views, please or offend, perhaps it is they who should depart. I thought democracy was about the freedom to express and exchange ideas not insult or bully people whose views differ from theirs, even if they are wrong, obviously, people like me are no longer welcome. The message has been received loud and clear. Omar, in regard to your comment to Bill,It would be a shame if a few people temporarily stopped posting after a while “ because they get the Tory troll 'treatment'.” I personally hope that many of them return, irrespective of the atmosphere clearing or not and that they’ll stay. For to have a rational debate and not a one sided argument it requires their passion and commitment to equality, if for no other reason to balance out the debate.Omar, I don't blame anyone leaving this site especially when some here resort to using foul language against others. If they can't accept differing views, please or offend, perhaps it is they who should depart. I thought democracy was about the freedom to express and exchange ideas not insult or bully people whose views differ from theirs, even if they are wrong, obviously, people like me are no longer welcome. The message has been received loud and clear.

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]]> By: Omar Kuddus http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25858 Omar Kuddus Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:46:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25858 Far from it.SMC If you are comfortable behind your alias that is your freedom and choice.As apparently you are unaware of the quotation or saying, ill have to explain apparently, the pun I was having with the words.It means I give as good as I get and can counter any argument with valid statistics and facts. It means that when I get my teeth stuck into an debate I do not let go, until someone proves me wrong or shows me the error of my ways.Please don’t feel threatened, as its not my way or if you do, I suggest you contact the police who are more than welcome to question my motivation and statements, as I have nothing to hide and why I am not afraid to say or revel the TRUTH or my identity. I never stated anything about “people getting burned”, nor did I make any threats or that I would be “ exacting some sort of revenge “ and I would tread carefully on this on, as what you are saying amounts to libel and defamation amongst other things.William, if you go back, I don’t respond normally to anything SMC says because I don’t think it’s a valid argument and the facts distorted. And I think the above answers the question. If you read my comments accurately that says “I would not say that I have turned on them, and it certainly was not my intent to do a “creditable imitation of a nuclear explosion” for I am just whispering at the moment.” “and though passionate about equality and gay rights, I do not let it influence my logic or my motivation nor my arguments, for I have no “hidden” agenda.”Let it be put on record, that if I have offended anyone that is far from the intent, as being a pacifist it is hardly my way, or how a forum or debate should be exercised, as I feel that, as you put it,my ” arguments are strong enough without digressing”. Nor was I trying to “intimidated by this statement”. Far from it.SMC If you are comfortable behind your alias that is your freedom and choice.As apparently you are unaware of the quotation or saying, ill have to explain apparently, the pun I was having with the words.It means I give as good as I get and can counter any argument with valid statistics and facts. It means that when I get my teeth stuck into an debate I do not let go, until someone proves me wrong or shows me the error of my ways.Please don’t feel threatened, as its not my way or if you do, I suggest you contact the police who are more than welcome to question my motivation and statements, as I have nothing to hide and why I am not afraid to say or revel the TRUTH or my identity. I never stated anything about “people getting burned”, nor did I make any threats or that I would be “ exacting some sort of revenge “ and I would tread carefully on this on, as what you are saying amounts to libel and defamation amongst other things.William, if you go back, I don’t respond normally to anything SMC says because I don’t think it’s a valid argument and the facts distorted. And I think the above answers the question. If you read my comments accurately that says “I would not say that I have turned on them, and it certainly was not my intent to do a “creditable imitation of a nuclear explosion” for I am just whispering at the moment.” “and though passionate about equality and gay rights, I do not let it influence my logic or my motivation nor my arguments, for I have no “hidden” agenda.”Let it be put on record, that if I have offended anyone that is far from the intent, as being a pacifist it is hardly my way, or how a forum or debate should be exercised, as I feel that, as you put it,my ” arguments are strong enough without digressing”. Nor was I trying to “intimidated by this statement”.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25859 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:44:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25859 Omar, you said..."Its more than apparent that Equality means different things to different people, and unlike in the States where one is taught their constitutional rights in High School, in the UK most people are ignorant of their Civil, Parliamentary, Local Government and EU Rights and Laws, and thus accept that things must remain as they are and as individuals they are not allowed to make a difference and have to accept what is on offer to them.The day that this changes and people realise that elected governments are there to serve them, irrespective of their sexuality, is when the situation shall start to change in this country, hopefully for the better of ALL its citizens."Omar, I very much like what you said and of course, totally agree with you. Keep on doing what you're doing. Omar, you said…"Its more than apparent that Equality means different things to different people, and unlike in the States where one is taught their constitutional rights in High School, in the UK most people are ignorant of their Civil, Parliamentary, Local Government and EU Rights and Laws, and thus accept that things must remain as they are and as individuals they are not allowed to make a difference and have to accept what is on offer to them.The day that this changes and people realise that elected governments are there to serve them, irrespective of their sexuality, is when the situation shall start to change in this country, hopefully for the better of ALL its citizens."Omar, I very much like what you said and of course, totally agree with you. Keep on doing what you're doing.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25860 William - Dublin Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:33:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25860 Omar, "As I said before, my bite is far worse than my bark"? What exactly is that supposed to mean? You're on a forum. Are we supposed to be intimidated by this statement? We already have Bill Perdue and his lame racist attacks against other countries and nationalities, and your arguments are strong enough without digressing to statements like this which have, pardon the pun, no "bite". Omar, "As I said before, my bite is far worse than my bark"? What exactly is that supposed to mean? You're on a forum. Are we supposed to be intimidated by this statement? We already have Bill Perdue and his lame racist attacks against other countries and nationalities, and your arguments are strong enough without digressing to statements like this which have, pardon the pun, no "bite".

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]]> By: Jen http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25861 Jen Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:48:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6468.html#comment-25861 Socialists *are* reactionaries, Bill.Or rather, they can be as progressive or conservative on social issues like same-sex marriage as you please. The only people who are in their ideology solidly for such progress and treating all people as equal are liberals (in the UK/EU sense not the wishy-washy centrist US sense of the word).In the UK we get that reflected in things like section 28 being abolished in Liberal-Labour coalition Scotland years before repeal in England Wales. Or indeed in the Libs being the only party to actually oppose it from the start. Socialists *are* reactionaries, Bill.Or rather, they can be as progressive or conservative on social issues like same-sex marriage as you please. The only people who are in their ideology solidly for such progress and treating all people as equal are liberals (in the UK/EU sense not the wishy-washy centrist US sense of the word).In the UK we get that reflected in things like section 28 being abolished in Liberal-Labour coalition Scotland years before repeal in England Wales. Or indeed in the Libs being the only party to actually oppose it from the start.

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