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Comments on: Brown aide named most powerful gay person in Britain http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:21:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: apYrs http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-2/#comment-25453 apYrs Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:33:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25453 the main positive thing about this list isn't that it cantains so-and-so, or so many women, tories, socialists, etc. The good thing is that the "great and good" are starting to come out of the closets. This will make it a bit less likely that we will have a rabid rollback of our rights, and may even ensure that a change of govt will not mean that there is (much of) a slowdown in advances. the main positive thing about this list isn't that it cantains so-and-so, or so many women, tories, socialists, etc. The good thing is that the "great and good" are starting to come out of the closets. This will make it a bit less likely that we will have a rabid rollback of our rights, and may even ensure that a change of govt will not mean that there is (much of) a slowdown in advances.

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]]> By: OMAR KUDDUS http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-2/#comment-25454 OMAR KUDDUS Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25454 Bill, like Robert, ex-pat Brit I just emailed and faxed Equality California as well as to find out who Tomas is. When I receive a response, I will post it here for all to read and perhaps put some of the mud slinging to rest, and the truth shall finally emerge as to where the bull is coming from.I promise that I will keep on pasting the response to whoever it relates to whenever I find any comment made by them. Bill, like Robert, ex-pat Brit I just emailed and faxed Equality California as well as to find out who Tomas is. When I receive a response, I will post it here for all to read and perhaps put some of the mud slinging to rest, and the truth shall finally emerge as to where the bull is coming from.I promise that I will keep on pasting the response to whoever it relates to whenever I find any comment made by them.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-2/#comment-25455 Bill Perdue Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:20:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25455 The disgraceful and frantic tactics of the troy trolls who infest the pinknews site just keep rolling on. After abusive and insulting remarks addressed to Malcolm Tidbury, Shawn of Canada, Zeke, Robertexpat, MarcoMilano , myself and many others now Omar is getting the troll treatment. Pay particular attention to how Sister Mary Clarence, aka Mother Superior raises false charges against asylum seekers, parroting the racist Conservative Party line that Middle Easterners are a ‘threat’ to English soldiers. Mother Superior wants to divert attention from the fact it’s only because of the presence of English soldiers in Iraq that they’re getting shot and killed by Iraqi patriots. When they withdraw the killing will stop. They’re infuriated with Omar because he ‘dares’, in spite of the threats of Mother Superior, to join the vast majority of honest gay activists who demand samesex marriage. The only ones who oppose it are the pathetic few ‘homosexual’ Conservatives and Republicans who want to fit in so badly they’d betray the rest of us. They’re particularly angry with him because he dares to fight back against the bureaucratic homophobia and islamophobia of the Home Office. Omar’s legal interventions have been very effective in exposing the antigay and racially motivated maneuvers of various agencies. He managed to get the courts to strip away their ability to hide the facts. Most of us wish him and his partner the best of luck but these tory trolls seem intent on supporting the laws that would deport Iranian gay folk to their deaths. They can deny it all they want but the fact is that gay and lesbians sent back will be murdered by the Ayatollahs government.Mother Superior argues for the islamophobic and antigay exclusionary rules of the Home Office. So do other Conservatives like Ron Paul, Luke and the islamophobes at the Policy Exchange? The Policy Exchange along with the BNP is responsible for emboldening the skinhead thugs who murder and beat non-Europeans according to Seumas Milne at the Guardian. You can read all about it at What are these Conservative homosexuals up to? The tory trolls want a base to organize gay support for themselves in the next general elections. Obviously they’ll never get it from honest GLBT groups because of their history of gay bashing, i.e., Section 28. Zeke pointed out that Sister Mary Clarence, aka Mother Superior began posting just as a campaign of Conservative Party ads ran in pinknews . He and others have pointed out that when Sister Mary Clarence runs out of supporters he just posts under new names, like steve, William or Wsilliam, and now Tomas. (More below about the mysterious and now frightened Tomas.) Anyone who supports samesex marriage, opposes police misconduct, defends asylum seekers, opposes racist islamophobia or complains about the gays bashers in the Conservative Party gets the ‘treatment’. The good news is that these troy trolls are self isolating. They’ve been exposed time and time again as handpuppets of the Conservative bigots at the Policy Exchange, who are tutored in misinformation tactics by the US Republicans. None of us are going to give up on the fight for equality; We’ll continue to support samesex marriage, complain about police abuse, condemn harassment in schools and violence when it occurs. And we’ll continue to do what we can to protect our brothers and sisters in places where they lives are endangered by bigots and those who arm and train them. In the meantime don’t worry about the tory trolls. These self loathing types who want more than anything to bury themselves in cozy little closets. Be patient. For anyone who wants to get in touch with the real Equality California you can send them a message or a question at or write them at:California Equality, Capitol Office: 1127 11th St. Suite 208Sacramento, CA 95814or call them at 916.554.7681or fax then at 916.442.4616 And be sure to include a contribution if you can. Like all honest GLBT groups they’re for samesex marriage, oppose racism and don’t get along with the Republicans or their Conservative lapdogs. Oh and don’t forget to ask if Tomas K. is real. The disgraceful and frantic tactics of the troy trolls who infest the pinknews site just keep rolling on. After abusive and insulting remarks addressed to Malcolm Tidbury, Shawn of Canada, Zeke, Robertexpat, MarcoMilano , myself and many others now Omar is getting the troll treatment. Pay particular attention to how Sister Mary Clarence, aka Mother Superior raises false charges against asylum seekers, parroting the racist Conservative Party line that Middle Easterners are a ‘threat’ to English soldiers. Mother Superior wants to divert attention from the fact it’s only because of the presence of English soldiers in Iraq that they’re getting shot and killed by Iraqi patriots. When they withdraw the killing will stop. They’re infuriated with Omar because he ‘dares’, in spite of the threats of Mother Superior, to join the vast majority of honest gay activists who demand samesex marriage. The only ones who oppose it are the pathetic few ‘homosexual’ Conservatives and Republicans who want to fit in so badly they’d betray the rest of us. They’re particularly angry with him because he dares to fight back against the bureaucratic homophobia and islamophobia of the Home Office. Omar’s legal interventions have been very effective in exposing the antigay and racially motivated maneuvers of various agencies. He managed to get the courts to strip away their ability to hide the facts. Most of us wish him and his partner the best of luck but these tory trolls seem intent on supporting the laws that would deport Iranian gay folk to their deaths. They can deny it all they want but the fact is that gay and lesbians sent back will be murdered by the Ayatollahs government.Mother Superior argues for the islamophobic and antigay exclusionary rules of the Home Office. So do other Conservatives like Ron Paul, Luke and the islamophobes at the Policy Exchange? The Policy Exchange along with the BNP is responsible for emboldening the skinhead thugs who murder and beat non-Europeans according to Seumas Milne at the Guardian. You can read all about it at What are these Conservative homosexuals up to? The tory trolls want a base to organize gay support for themselves in the next general elections. Obviously they’ll never get it from honest GLBT groups because of their history of gay bashing, i.e., Section 28. Zeke pointed out that Sister Mary Clarence, aka Mother Superior began posting just as a campaign of Conservative Party ads ran in pinknews . He and others have pointed out that when Sister Mary Clarence runs out of supporters he just posts under new names, like steve, William or Wsilliam, and now Tomas. (More below about the mysterious and now frightened Tomas.) Anyone who supports samesex marriage, opposes police misconduct, defends asylum seekers, opposes racist islamophobia or complains about the gays bashers in the Conservative Party gets the ‘treatment’. The good news is that these troy trolls are self isolating. They’ve been exposed time and time again as handpuppets of the Conservative bigots at the Policy Exchange, who are tutored in misinformation tactics by the US Republicans. None of us are going to give up on the fight for equality; We’ll continue to support samesex marriage, complain about police abuse, condemn harassment in schools and violence when it occurs. And we’ll continue to do what we can to protect our brothers and sisters in places where they lives are endangered by bigots and those who arm and train them. In the meantime don’t worry about the tory trolls. These self loathing types who want more than anything to bury themselves in cozy little closets. Be patient. For anyone who wants to get in touch with the real Equality California you can send them a message or a question at or write them at:California Equality, Capitol Office: 1127 11th St. Suite 208Sacramento, CA 95814or call them at 916.554.7681or fax then at 916.442.4616 And be sure to include a contribution if you can. Like all honest GLBT groups they’re for samesex marriage, oppose racism and don’t get along with the Republicans or their Conservative lapdogs. Oh and don’t forget to ask if Tomas K. is real.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-2/#comment-25456 Sister Mary Clarence Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:11:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25456 1) “...the Secretary of State can only interfere with the exercise of article 12 rights in cases that involve, or very likely involve, sham marriages entered into with the object of improving the immigration status of one of the parties. To be proportionate, a scheme to achieve that end must either properly investigate individual cases, or at least show that it has come close to isolating cases that very likely fall into the target category.”2) “There may well be good grounds for saying that when a person should not be in this country at all, even on a temporary basis, it would be reasonable and proportionate to prevent him from using the access to article 12 that that physical presence gives him in order to improve his immigration position.”3) “That is not the basis on which the Secretary of State rested his refusal”, and therefore this is where the Home Office fell foul of the Court of Appeal”4) “Given that the court in Baiai said that ‘there might be the possibility of dealing with cases such as that of Mr Baiai under differently formulated legislation’, there is a possibility that the UK government will try to make changes to the UK Borders Bill to make it unlawful for people with no lawful leave to be in the UK to marry in the UK or make other changes to address the decision of the Court of Appeal in Baiai.”5) “While agreeing that the exemption made the scheme discriminatory against those who married other than in an Anglican church, the Court of Appeal held that this was ‘essentially a footnote to the scheme as a whole’, a scheme they found, as a whole, to be unlawful. If the Home Secretary decides to introduce a new regime, it may be that the exemption for marriages in the Anglican Church would not be a part of it.”I take it you have contacted a solicitor with regard to your partner’s situation, because reading the relevant passages of the webpage you have quoted about, it doesn’t really make very positive reading for your partner.Setting aside for a moment the appeal to the House of Lords, the first paragraph makes it very clear that the Home Office has the right to set aside Article 12 Human Rights where they believe a sham marriage/civil partnership to be taking place. So this appears to be your Article 12 argument out of the window.The second paragraph states that there may well be good grounds for preventing people who should not be in the country from marrying. The third paragraph states that Mr Baiai’s appeal was successful as this was not the basis on which the Home Office made its decision. I think this makes my point that if you’re not supposed to be here, you do not have the automatic right to marry/enter into a civil partnership.The fourth paragraph, states that the government can circumvent any issues by including legislation in another bill (UK Borders Bill). In paragraph five, the issue of breach of Article 14 rights is clarified, relating to exemptions that were permitted for those marrying in Anglican church. The obvious and easiest solution would potentially be to remove said exemption from the Certificate of Approval process.Mr Baiai’s appeal was one on a technicality and the Home Office can amend the legislation it is using in no time at all, if the House of Lords uphold the decision of the Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal have all but told the Home Office what they need to do to correct the issues it sees with the legislation.I know I have pissed you off, but please do not pin any hopes on this court case providing you any sort of gains whatsoever. If the government loses the case, they can plug any openings in the immigration system almost immediately, and I’m sure they will. 1) “…the Secretary of State can only interfere with the exercise of article 12 rights in cases that involve, or very likely involve, sham marriages entered into with the object of improving the immigration status of one of the parties. To be proportionate, a scheme to achieve that end must either properly investigate individual cases, or at least show that it has come close to isolating cases that very likely fall into the target category.”2) “There may well be good grounds for saying that when a person should not be in this country at all, even on a temporary basis, it would be reasonable and proportionate to prevent him from using the access to article 12 that that physical presence gives him in order to improve his immigration position.”3) “That is not the basis on which the Secretary of State rested his refusal”, and therefore this is where the Home Office fell foul of the Court of Appeal”4) “Given that the court in Baiai said that ‘there might be the possibility of dealing with cases such as that of Mr Baiai under differently formulated legislation’, there is a possibility that the UK government will try to make changes to the UK Borders Bill to make it unlawful for people with no lawful leave to be in the UK to marry in the UK or make other changes to address the decision of the Court of Appeal in Baiai.”5) “While agreeing that the exemption made the scheme discriminatory against those who married other than in an Anglican church, the Court of Appeal held that this was ‘essentially a footnote to the scheme as a whole’, a scheme they found, as a whole, to be unlawful. If the Home Secretary decides to introduce a new regime, it may be that the exemption for marriages in the Anglican Church would not be a part of it.”I take it you have contacted a solicitor with regard to your partner’s situation, because reading the relevant passages of the webpage you have quoted about, it doesn’t really make very positive reading for your partner.Setting aside for a moment the appeal to the House of Lords, the first paragraph makes it very clear that the Home Office has the right to set aside Article 12 Human Rights where they believe a sham marriage/civil partnership to be taking place. So this appears to be your Article 12 argument out of the window.The second paragraph states that there may well be good grounds for preventing people who should not be in the country from marrying. The third paragraph states that Mr Baiai’s appeal was successful as this was not the basis on which the Home Office made its decision. I think this makes my point that if you’re not supposed to be here, you do not have the automatic right to marry/enter into a civil partnership.The fourth paragraph, states that the government can circumvent any issues by including legislation in another bill (UK Borders Bill). In paragraph five, the issue of breach of Article 14 rights is clarified, relating to exemptions that were permitted for those marrying in Anglican church. The obvious and easiest solution would potentially be to remove said exemption from the Certificate of Approval process.Mr Baiai’s appeal was one on a technicality and the Home Office can amend the legislation it is using in no time at all, if the House of Lords uphold the decision of the Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal have all but told the Home Office what they need to do to correct the issues it sees with the legislation.I know I have pissed you off, but please do not pin any hopes on this court case providing you any sort of gains whatsoever. If the government loses the case, they can plug any openings in the immigration system almost immediately, and I’m sure they will.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-2/#comment-25457 Robert, ex-pat Brit Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:38:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25457 Omar, you are most welcome. My hope and prayer is that you find a successful resolution to your situation so that both you and your partner can enjoy a life of love, happiness and peace together as a legal couple. Thank you for the link. Never give up! May 2008 bring forth good things for you and everyone else. Omar, you are most welcome. My hope and prayer is that you find a successful resolution to your situation so that both you and your partner can enjoy a life of love, happiness and peace together as a legal couple. Thank you for the link. Never give up! May 2008 bring forth good things for you and everyone else.

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]]> By: Omar Kuddus http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25458 Omar Kuddus Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:28:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25458 Robert (ex-pat Brit)Thank you for your support and faith and it is much appreciated as you are correct that no one could ever want to go through the living hell that we have been through.May I also suggest that instead of listening to certain so-called experts (on everything!) you try the link below, to find the actual position and requirement and legitimacy of Certificates Of Approval for yourself.It is my fear and dread that how many more innocent Iranians are to die for their sexuality, before the gay community finally shows its disapproval and makes ourselves heard.I refuse that that my partner ever be a part of that statistic, and again unlike others who hide under alias, if you googol my name, Omar Kuddus gay, (or email me directly on gayasylum@yahoo.co.uk and I shall send you the www links) you shall note that I have tried to bring this to the gay communities attention for some time as it does not only effect us but hundreds in similar situations, who always do not have a partners support behind them. The question for us in the gay community should not be whether we will die, but how we will live and make a difference.May I take this opportunity to wish the whole of the community a Happy New Year and may all your dreams and desires be fulfilled. Robert (ex-pat Brit)Thank you for your support and faith and it is much appreciated as you are correct that no one could ever want to go through the living hell that we have been through.May I also suggest that instead of listening to certain so-called experts (on everything!) you try the link below, to find the actual position and requirement and legitimacy of Certificates Of Approval for yourself.It is my fear and dread that how many more innocent Iranians are to die for their sexuality, before the gay community finally shows its disapproval and makes ourselves heard.I refuse that that my partner ever be a part of that statistic, and again unlike others who hide under alias, if you googol my name, Omar Kuddus gay, (or email me directly on @yahoo.co.uk">gayasylum @yahoo.co.uk and I shall send you the www links) you shall note that I have tried to bring this to the gay communities attention for some time as it does not only effect us but hundreds in similar situations, who always do not have a partners support behind them. The question for us in the gay community should not be whether we will die, but how we will live and make a difference.May I take this opportunity to wish the whole of the community a Happy New Year and may all your dreams and desires be fulfilled.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25459 Robert, ex-pat Brit Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:11:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25459 Sr. Mary, thank you for clarifying that. In Omar's situation though, I tend to believe his relationship is bonafide. Anyone in their right mind wouldn't put themselves through all that knowing the rigorous scrutiny, investigation involved. I only hope it works out well for him, his partner and others facing the same dilemma. The thought of one's partner being returned to some dreadful fate makes me very uneasy and troubled and I hope it doesn't take more executions of innocent gay men in Iran and elsewhere before the world undestands what is really happening. Its frightening. We should all be deeply concerned and our government has to start paying attention and to stop ignoring the horrors being perpetrated on many straight and gay people in that part of the world. Sr. Mary, thank you for clarifying that. In Omar's situation though, I tend to believe his relationship is bonafide. Anyone in their right mind wouldn't put themselves through all that knowing the rigorous scrutiny, investigation involved. I only hope it works out well for him, his partner and others facing the same dilemma. The thought of one's partner being returned to some dreadful fate makes me very uneasy and troubled and I hope it doesn't take more executions of innocent gay men in Iran and elsewhere before the world undestands what is really happening. Its frightening. We should all be deeply concerned and our government has to start paying attention and to stop ignoring the horrors being perpetrated on many straight and gay people in that part of the world.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25460 Sister Mary Clarence Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:48:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25460 No Robert, where one party, straight or gay, does not have leave to remain this country a Certificate of Approval is needed. Checks are carried out to ensure the authenticity of a relationship before the certificate is issued.Similarly if you read the guidance you will see that there is provision for an application if neither party has leave to remain in this country, and again it applies to marriage and civil partnership in exactly the same way. No Robert, where one party, straight or gay, does not have leave to remain this country a Certificate of Approval is needed. Checks are carried out to ensure the authenticity of a relationship before the certificate is issued.Similarly if you read the guidance you will see that there is provision for an application if neither party has leave to remain in this country, and again it applies to marriage and civil partnership in exactly the same way.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25461 Robert, ex-pat Brit Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:00:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25461 So Sister Mary, you mean to say that a straight British couple has to obtain a Certificate of Approval to be married? Are they also subject to scrutiny, investigation by the powers that be before a marriage license can be issued? I find that rather hard to believe. So Sister Mary, you mean to say that a straight British couple has to obtain a Certificate of Approval to be married? Are they also subject to scrutiny, investigation by the powers that be before a marriage license can be issued? I find that rather hard to believe.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25462 Sister Mary Clarence Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:02:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25462 "I find it quite revealing that a British straight couple would not have to prove they're in a genunine relationship". Robert, that's one of my several points, a straight couple would have to do EXACTLY the same. "I find it quite revealing that a British straight couple would not have to prove they're in a genunine relationship". Robert, that's one of my several points, a straight couple would have to do EXACTLY the same.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25463 Robert, ex-pat Brit Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:54:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25463 Omar, I sincerely hope that your perseverance will bear fruit for you and your partner. As frustrating and inconvenient as it is for you and it can't be easy, I just hope it all works out well for you both. Unlike most others here, I give you the benefit of the doubt. To go through such mental anguish and suffering, having to prove your relationship is bonafide irrespective of your partners current immigration status which apparently applies to straight non-Eu people wishing to marry a British national, maybe the same rules should apply to anyone from within the EU member states who marry or who enter into a civil partnershp with a British national to make it fairer.I find it quite revealing that a British straight couple would not have to prove they're in a genunine relationship or that they are indeed straight in order to marry and to gain benefits that only come via marriage. I don't doubt your case is genuine, who in their right mind would want to put themselves through all that anyway? Maybe its going to take a few more public executions of gay men in Iran to prove to our government that being gay in Iran is definitely not ok and in fact could subject someone to imprisonment, torture and at worst, execution just because of who they are. If your boyfriend is not successful and is deported back to Iran to face some unknown fate, then our government and all those who support its asylum stand will be complicit. They basically don't care Omar because it doesn't affect them directly, they are indifferent, but let it happen to one of them, let them face the same situation that you and your boyfriend are facing and maybe they'd be singing a different tuneand not be so quick to judgment as they often accuse of me doing when I'm defending the human rights of gay, lesbian and transgendered people everywhere on this planet. Hang in there and know that I and millions of others across the globe support you both. I wish you peace, love and eventual true happiness with the one you love. Omar, I sincerely hope that your perseverance will bear fruit for you and your partner. As frustrating and inconvenient as it is for you and it can't be easy, I just hope it all works out well for you both. Unlike most others here, I give you the benefit of the doubt. To go through such mental anguish and suffering, having to prove your relationship is bonafide irrespective of your partners current immigration status which apparently applies to straight non-Eu people wishing to marry a British national, maybe the same rules should apply to anyone from within the EU member states who marry or who enter into a civil partnershp with a British national to make it fairer.I find it quite revealing that a British straight couple would not have to prove they're in a genunine relationship or that they are indeed straight in order to marry and to gain benefits that only come via marriage. I don't doubt your case is genuine, who in their right mind would want to put themselves through all that anyway? Maybe its going to take a few more public executions of gay men in Iran to prove to our government that being gay in Iran is definitely not ok and in fact could subject someone to imprisonment, torture and at worst, execution just because of who they are. If your boyfriend is not successful and is deported back to Iran to face some unknown fate, then our government and all those who support its asylum stand will be complicit. They basically don't care Omar because it doesn't affect them directly, they are indifferent, but let it happen to one of them, let them face the same situation that you and your boyfriend are facing and maybe they'd be singing a different tuneand not be so quick to judgment as they often accuse of me doing when I'm defending the human rights of gay, lesbian and transgendered people everywhere on this planet. Hang in there and know that I and millions of others across the globe support you both. I wish you peace, love and eventual true happiness with the one you love.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25464 Sister Mary Clarence Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:27:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25464 I wouldn’t knock Alistair Campbell, much though I dislike him,. He did manage to keep Blair in post for far too long. Spencer Livermore does not seem to have been capable enough even to advise Gordon that his one and only chance of election success was at his appointment as PM.I don’t know what Spencer has been doing for the last 10 years he has been advising Mr Brown but clearly it has not been looking at the mass of research and analysis of the ‘market’ that Labour has conducted over the last decade.The way things are going for the Labour Party Spencer will do well to last the two years to the next election, assuming the party doesn’t boot them both out beforehand. I would suggest that Spencer’s New Year resolution is to get a job with better prospects. I understand the Guardian can be very good. I wouldn’t knock Alistair Campbell, much though I dislike him,. He did manage to keep Blair in post for far too long. Spencer Livermore does not seem to have been capable enough even to advise Gordon that his one and only chance of election success was at his appointment as PM.I don’t know what Spencer has been doing for the last 10 years he has been advising Mr Brown but clearly it has not been looking at the mass of research and analysis of the ‘market’ that Labour has conducted over the last decade.The way things are going for the Labour Party Spencer will do well to last the two years to the next election, assuming the party doesn’t boot them both out beforehand. I would suggest that Spencer’s New Year resolution is to get a job with better prospects. I understand the Guardian can be very good.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25465 Sister Mary Clarence Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:35:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25465 "I posted it on a comment site that I knew the “The 50 most powerful LGBT people in British politics” would read for their attention"O KUDDUS | 12.31.07 - 12:04 pm |I DID NOT HIJACK ANYTHING Omar Kuddus | 12.30.07 - 4:35 pm |You did, mate!"For believe me I bite, far worse than I bark" - what's that supposed to mean?You repeatedly use this site to bang on about something that is close your own heart when more often than not is nothing to do with the news item you are ‘commenting on’. Your partner fled persecution (which was very real I’m sure) and chose to come to this country, no doubt passing over many other countries before doing so, enabling him to capitalize of the shambollick immigration system that we have.He has clearly failed in all attempts to convince the Home Office that he is a genuine refugee (for reasons we are unaware of, and I doubt we can trust you to be impartial and honest about) and now you are attempting to ensure he can remain in the country by entering into a civil partnership with him. We know nothing whatsoever about this individual. He could be an innocent victim of a society that unjustly persecutes him, who should be allowed to come into the country without delay, or his sister could now be running at a Chieftain tank with three pounds of Semtex strapped to her waist and a Kalashnikov rifle in each hand spewing bullets at British troops, and therefore be a threat to our security. Surely it is not unreasonable in the current climate for the Home Office to check one or two details about his story before rubber stamping his continued stay here? Yes, I fully appreciate the wait is worrying and frustrating, but I think if you read the papers, most people do want some kind of border control exercised and the government is continually under fire for failing to do so effectively. The fact that your partner is actually still here is surely a testament to that.I had nothing and against you, and I have nothing against your partner, but your aggressive manner and the bias way in which you present information is really not helping him one bit. Just as I am now very suspicious of everything you have said, there is a chance that others will be as well. If those others are sitting at the Home Office checking your partner’s application then you have created unnecessary problems for him. The issue is that your partner’s story is being closely scrutinised before he is allowed to remain in this country and you don’t like that. Nothing more, nothing less. I would suggest that things might go a little more smoothly if you:-1) The present the facts of case correctly, without embellishment.2) Avoid telling all and sundry that the entire British legal system is shite.3) Stop demanding things and drop all the other aggression.4) Avoid launching into personal attacks on people when you don’t get your own way.Good will would I’m sure work far better for your partner than anything else, but no doubt you don’t believe in good will and would rather just stand there screaming for you rights as you perceive them.Pulling it back to the story in hand, in relation to the 50 most powerful LGBT people in Britain, the list does seem a bit lame to me as well. "I posted it on a comment site that I knew the “The 50 most powerful LGBT people in British politics” would read for their attention"O KUDDUS | 12.31.07 – 12:04 pm |I DID NOT HIJACK ANYTHING Omar Kuddus | 12.30.07 – 4:35 pm |You did, mate!"For believe me I bite, far worse than I bark" – what's that supposed to mean?You repeatedly use this site to bang on about something that is close your own heart when more often than not is nothing to do with the news item you are ‘commenting on’. Your partner fled persecution (which was very real I’m sure) and chose to come to this country, no doubt passing over many other countries before doing so, enabling him to capitalize of the shambollick immigration system that we have.He has clearly failed in all attempts to convince the Home Office that he is a genuine refugee (for reasons we are unaware of, and I doubt we can trust you to be impartial and honest about) and now you are attempting to ensure he can remain in the country by entering into a civil partnership with him. We know nothing whatsoever about this individual. He could be an innocent victim of a society that unjustly persecutes him, who should be allowed to come into the country without delay, or his sister could now be running at a Chieftain tank with three pounds of Semtex strapped to her waist and a Kalashnikov rifle in each hand spewing bullets at British troops, and therefore be a threat to our security. Surely it is not unreasonable in the current climate for the Home Office to check one or two details about his story before rubber stamping his continued stay here? Yes, I fully appreciate the wait is worrying and frustrating, but I think if you read the papers, most people do want some kind of border control exercised and the government is continually under fire for failing to do so effectively. The fact that your partner is actually still here is surely a testament to that.I had nothing and against you, and I have nothing against your partner, but your aggressive manner and the bias way in which you present information is really not helping him one bit. Just as I am now very suspicious of everything you have said, there is a chance that others will be as well. If those others are sitting at the Home Office checking your partner’s application then you have created unnecessary problems for him. The issue is that your partner’s story is being closely scrutinised before he is allowed to remain in this country and you don’t like that. Nothing more, nothing less. I would suggest that things might go a little more smoothly if you:-1) The present the facts of case correctly, without embellishment.2) Avoid telling all and sundry that the entire British legal system is shite.3) Stop demanding things and drop all the other aggression.4) Avoid launching into personal attacks on people when you don’t get your own way.Good will would I’m sure work far better for your partner than anything else, but no doubt you don’t believe in good will and would rather just stand there screaming for you rights as you perceive them.Pulling it back to the story in hand, in relation to the 50 most powerful LGBT people in Britain, the list does seem a bit lame to me as well.

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]]> By: O KUDDUS http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25466 O KUDDUS Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:04:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25466 1. I am not your mate. 2. I posted it on a comment site that I knew the “The 50 most powerful LGBT people in British politics” would read for their attention.3. Having found no record of you on the www other than on the comments page of every article, pray tell, how come you are a jack of all trades and master of none, as you quite frankly, are anti everything, from every prospect possible.4. Is there anyone in your sad old life that you actually like or approve of (and have not at some time spat venom at)? Or vies versa? For I cant find any!5. And do you actually believe what you say to be true, correct and up to date information.6. I have far more important issues to deal with than bothering with the likes of you7. And finally as you apparently have nothing better to do, see how our story differs from those already posted on several other Gay sites across the world in the next issue of Gay times.8. But then you should know all this already.9. Don’t bother me again. For believe me I bite, far worse than I bark, having taken on governments and state departments and won, so you are no challenge or threat to me.10. The only reason I am even replying is because it is about time someone put you in the place you belong, and knocked you off that self imposed perch that you seem to have put yourself on. 1. I am not your mate. 2. I posted it on a comment site that I knew the “The 50 most powerful LGBT people in British politics” would read for their attention.3. Having found no record of you on the www other than on the comments page of every article, pray tell, how come you are a jack of all trades and master of none, as you quite frankly, are anti everything, from every prospect possible.4. Is there anyone in your sad old life that you actually like or approve of (and have not at some time spat venom at)? Or vies versa? For I cant find any!5. And do you actually believe what you say to be true, correct and up to date information.6. I have far more important issues to deal with than bothering with the likes of you7. And finally as you apparently have nothing better to do, see how our story differs from those already posted on several other Gay sites across the world in the next issue of Gay times.8. But then you should know all this already.9. Don’t bother me again. For believe me I bite, far worse than I bark, having taken on governments and state departments and won, so you are no challenge or threat to me.10. The only reason I am even replying is because it is about time someone put you in the place you belong, and knocked you off that self imposed perch that you seem to have put yourself on.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25467 Sister Mary Clarence Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:43:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25467 "I DID NOT HIJACK ANYTHING" - okay Omar, just run me through how your postings relate to the most powerful gays in Britain today then mate. "I DID NOT HIJACK ANYTHING" – okay Omar, just run me through how your postings relate to the most powerful gays in Britain today then mate.

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]]> By: Omar Kuddus http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25468 Omar Kuddus Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:29:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25468 Robert ex-pat Brit, thank you for your kind words posted. You may be interested in this Plea for "Mehdi's" safety and non-deportation back to Iran from the UK. “Mehdi” (19 yrs old) has failed in the courts in Netherlands and is due to be returned to the UK, from where he is likely to be deported back to Iran. (http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/07/Dec/2401.htm) The long holiday season in the UK means that an injunction may not be made in the High Court in London to prevent deportation until the court has heard an appeal, which, when in front of a real judge, Mehdi would more than certainly win, with light of recent events in Iran and the public disclosure of Iran’s policy on homosexuality to the British government. However the fear and threat is that the UK, HOBIA will take him off a flight from Amsterdam and put him on the next flight to Tehran.If this is happens over the holidays, then there is little chance of a lawyers getting an injunction. How many more young Iranians have to die before the British government takes action? It's time that the gay community finally open our mouths and show our protests and disgust, and make ourselves heard that such barbaric behaviour is not acceptable. The Iranian Minister Mohsen Yahyavi (who is the highest-ranked politician to admit that Iran believes in the death penalty for homosexuality) told British MP’s at the Inter-Parliamentary Union in May this year, that homosexuals should be executed [he initially said tortured but changed it to executed]. And Iran has again recently kept its word, with the execution of Makvan Mouloodzedeh, despite President Ahmadinejad, questioned by students in New York two months ago about the executions of homosexuals, claimed there were no gays in Iran. Britain regularly challenges Iran about its gay torture, hangings, stonings and executions for perceived moral criminals, Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) papers show. Yet it still stands back and does nothing.Other than send failed asylum seekers back in the hope that they do not face a similar fate. Mehdi has had an unbelievably harrowing time since he left Iran to complete his education.While in England he learned that his boyfriend had been arrested and under torture (presumably) revealed Mehdi's name to the authorities, who issued an arrest warrant for him.Then Mehdi learned that his former boyfriend had been executed for "being gay", and all of this when Mehdi was at the tender age of 18.Britain refused him Asylum, because he could not “prove” that he was gay, and he escaped to Europe to save his own life.If you are able to, please express your thoughts to the British Embassy in your country, of fax Prime Minister Gordon Brown at 10 Downing Street London, on +44 207 925 0918.Or email me and I shall forward it for you: gayasylum@yahoo.co.uk I for one object, and despite the HOBIA intentions refuse to let Mehdi face a similar fate that all Iranian LGBTS have to date. Torture and Execution based on their sexuality.For it is only by chance and the roll of the dice that we were not born in Iran, that we here in the West are not in their shoes and facing the same persecution, torture, and death for our sexuality. Robert ex-pat Brit, thank you for your kind words posted. You may be interested in this Plea for "Mehdi's" safety and non-deportation back to Iran from the UK. “Mehdi” (19 yrs old) has failed in the courts in Netherlands and is due to be returned to the UK, from where he is likely to be deported back to Iran. (http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/07/Dec/2401.htm) The long holiday season in the UK means that an injunction may not be made in the High Court in London to prevent deportation until the court has heard an appeal, which, when in front of a real judge, Mehdi would more than certainly win, with light of recent events in Iran and the public disclosure of Iran’s policy on homosexuality to the British government. However the fear and threat is that the UK, HOBIA will take him off a flight from Amsterdam and put him on the next flight to Tehran.If this is happens over the holidays, then there is little chance of a lawyers getting an injunction. How many more young Iranians have to die before the British government takes action? It's time that the gay community finally open our mouths and show our protests and disgust, and make ourselves heard that such barbaric behaviour is not acceptable. The Iranian Minister Mohsen Yahyavi (who is the highest-ranked politician to admit that Iran believes in the death penalty for homosexuality) told British MP’s at the Inter-Parliamentary Union in May this year, that homosexuals should be executed [he initially said tortured but changed it to executed]. And Iran has again recently kept its word, with the execution of Makvan Mouloodzedeh, despite President Ahmadinejad, questioned by students in New York two months ago about the executions of homosexuals, claimed there were no gays in Iran. Britain regularly challenges Iran about its gay torture, hangings, stonings and executions for perceived moral criminals, Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) papers show. Yet it still stands back and does nothing.Other than send failed asylum seekers back in the hope that they do not face a similar fate. Mehdi has had an unbelievably harrowing time since he left Iran to complete his education.While in England he learned that his boyfriend had been arrested and under torture (presumably) revealed Mehdi's name to the authorities, who issued an arrest warrant for him.Then Mehdi learned that his former boyfriend had been executed for "being gay", and all of this when Mehdi was at the tender age of 18.Britain refused him Asylum, because he could not “prove” that he was gay, and he escaped to Europe to save his own life.If you are able to, please express your thoughts to the British Embassy in your country, of fax Prime Minister Gordon Brown at 10 Downing Street London, on +44 207 925 0918.Or email me and I shall forward it for you: @yahoo.co.uk">gayasylum @yahoo.co.uk I for one object, and despite the HOBIA intentions refuse to let Mehdi face a similar fate that all Iranian LGBTS have to date. Torture and Execution based on their sexuality.For it is only by chance and the roll of the dice that we were not born in Iran, that we here in the West are not in their shoes and facing the same persecution, torture, and death for our sexuality.

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]]> By: Omar Kuddus http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25469 Omar Kuddus Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:35:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25469 Sorry to busy trying to save another GAY IRANIAN BEING SENT BACK FROM THE NETHERLANDS TO BE DEPORTED BACK TO IRAN.I DID NOT HIJACK ANYTHING AND DON’T MENTION BEING GAY TO ME, IVE BEEN OUT OF THE CLOSET AND PROUDLY SO, GIVING MY FULL REAL DETAILS TO WHOEVER ASKS.I AM NOT HIDING BEHIND AN ALIAS.IT IS A GAY ISSUE, FOR WHY ISNT IT? FOR WHY DO I HAVE TO PROVE OR MY BOYFRIEND ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP.DOES EVERY ONE ELSE?THAT IS EQUALITY.OH, AND PLEASE DON’T PREACH TO ME ABOUT THE BRITISH LEGAL SYSTEM, I HAVE CHANGED IT, AND IF BE WILL DO SO AGAIN.THE LAW (mentioned previously) IF YOU READ IS IN MY NAME.AND NO THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT TAKE THE APPEAL TO STRASBOURG, I DO AND WILL, SO WATCH THIS SPACE REGADING COA’s AND THEIR VALIDITY.My partner is here and alive not for any other reason that it would violate both our EUHRA and my parliamentary statutory laws, if he wasn’t.I am proud that you have helped “Over several years I have helped a number of people to have their immigration status confirmed” for reading your back comments over the past few months I am surprised.And on a final note get your facts right about who can and cannot marry / form a civil partnership in this country.I did send you the link to the ruling. Sorry to busy trying to save another GAY IRANIAN BEING SENT BACK FROM THE NETHERLANDS TO BE DEPORTED BACK TO IRAN.I DID NOT HIJACK ANYTHING AND DON’T MENTION BEING GAY TO ME, IVE BEEN OUT OF THE CLOSET AND PROUDLY SO, GIVING MY FULL REAL DETAILS TO WHOEVER ASKS.I AM NOT HIDING BEHIND AN ALIAS.IT IS A GAY ISSUE, FOR WHY ISNT IT? FOR WHY DO I HAVE TO PROVE OR MY BOYFRIEND ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP.DOES EVERY ONE ELSE?THAT IS EQUALITY.OH, AND PLEASE DON’T PREACH TO ME ABOUT THE BRITISH LEGAL SYSTEM, I HAVE CHANGED IT, AND IF BE WILL DO SO AGAIN.THE LAW (mentioned previously) IF YOU READ IS IN MY NAME.AND NO THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT TAKE THE APPEAL TO STRASBOURG, I DO AND WILL, SO WATCH THIS SPACE REGADING COA’s AND THEIR VALIDITY.My partner is here and alive not for any other reason that it would violate both our EUHRA and my parliamentary statutory laws, if he wasn’t.I am proud that you have helped “Over several years I have helped a number of people to have their immigration status confirmed” for reading your back comments over the past few months I am surprised.And on a final note get your facts right about who can and cannot marry / form a civil partnership in this country.I did send you the link to the ruling.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25470 Sister Mary Clarence Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:36:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25470 Omar, this is a gay news site. Your issue is not a gay news issue. Whether gay or straight you would be treated in the same way that you are currently being. So the boyfriend/girlfriend aspect of your tale is neither here nor there.Yuor boyfriend has not been given leave to remain for reasons unknown, and I suspect we’d be hard pressed to get a true account of why from you. He has however remained in the country and not been deported, so you and particularly him are LUCKY, many are not so lucky. Do we see any gratitude for this? Dear God! No, it’s quite the opposite in fact.A decision has been given by the High Court on how the government is, and is not, allowed to police its borders. The Court of Appeal has ratified that decision. The government has appealed the decision to the House of Lords. It has been decided that there are grounds for such an appeal (not by you of course). Until the Court of Appeal has made its decision, things won’t be done the way you want them. What you fail to understand is that even if the House of Lords does decide against the government, and the government does not appeal it to Europe, you may still not get things done exactly the way you want it.Meanwhile, your partner is in limbo. Not a nice position to be in, but one faced by tens of thousands of other people, gay and straight. It has however got nothing to do with us and nothing to do with this site, but you have come here trying to make it a ‘gay’ issue. You are well aware that straight people go through exactly the same process but when people have misunderstood your situation and believed that your partner’s situation is as it is BECAUSE he is gay, you have done nothing to correct them, but just let it run on.Similarly, you are I think fully aware of the legal system in this country and how the legislative process works. Most of this has only come out when prompted repeatedly and you have drip fed us more and more information. Its unfair, unjust, inhuman, you shouldn’t have to prove anything, you tell us. The process IS overly long. It is not in the least unreasonable for the government to check the story of those wishing to remain in the country, but it needs to be able to do so quicker. One of the main reasons that this process is so long is that so many resources that should be designated to dealing with genuine refugees are tied up with dealing with social migrants and the sooner we separate the two very different entry requests the sooner we can process genuine refugees at the speed we should be.With regard to marriage/civil partnerships – if you have no right to be in this country, you have no right to marry here. You have not right to do anything here, that is the point. The government has the right to remove any person that does not have valid entry documentation. If you wish to marry someone or enter into a civil partnership with someone here and remain in this country then there are mechanisms to allow this, a process that you and your partner are currently going though, albeit begrudgingly.Over several years I have helped a number of people to have their immigration status confirmed. I live in a part of London that is 80% BME, with large numbers of refugees. I am well aware of the difficult circumstances that they endure until they are given leave to remain, in finding and paying for accommodation, supporting their families, accessing healthcare and finding work. I am aware of the businesses that prey on these people as a source of cheap labour, paying them well below minimum wage. I am aware of the difficulties their children face growing up in a consumer society that they can only view from afar coming from a family with no disposable income whatsoever. I have however never had to help anyone with an attitude like yours.It is beyond me where you think you are going to get with the thinly veiled arrogant attitude that you have. You portray yourself as a helpless victim, but scratch away at the surface a little, and it is plain to see.“but don’t neither see why I have to prove my relationship is not a “Sham””“I don’t care if my partner is here without leave to remain”“Yes we are going through the ALLEGED appropriate legal channels”“I do of course have the right to form a Civil Partnership, as I keep demanding”“we don’t have to take the rough with the smooth”Once your partner’s application to remain in this country was rejected, the government would have been within its rights to ship him off to what ever country he arrived here from. The fact that he is still here and probably still alive is only due to the government not following its own procedures. If I were you, or him, I would feel very grateful for that gift rather than bitching on here about how unfairly this country is treating him.This was a story about the most powerful LGBT people in British politics and you have completely hijacked it in a Bill-esque way. Omar, this is a gay news site. Your issue is not a gay news issue. Whether gay or straight you would be treated in the same way that you are currently being. So the boyfriend/girlfriend aspect of your tale is neither here nor there.Yuor boyfriend has not been given leave to remain for reasons unknown, and I suspect we’d be hard pressed to get a true account of why from you. He has however remained in the country and not been deported, so you and particularly him are LUCKY, many are not so lucky. Do we see any gratitude for this? Dear God! No, it’s quite the opposite in fact.A decision has been given by the High Court on how the government is, and is not, allowed to police its borders. The Court of Appeal has ratified that decision. The government has appealed the decision to the House of Lords. It has been decided that there are grounds for such an appeal (not by you of course). Until the Court of Appeal has made its decision, things won’t be done the way you want them. What you fail to understand is that even if the House of Lords does decide against the government, and the government does not appeal it to Europe, you may still not get things done exactly the way you want it.Meanwhile, your partner is in limbo. Not a nice position to be in, but one faced by tens of thousands of other people, gay and straight. It has however got nothing to do with us and nothing to do with this site, but you have come here trying to make it a ‘gay’ issue. You are well aware that straight people go through exactly the same process but when people have misunderstood your situation and believed that your partner’s situation is as it is BECAUSE he is gay, you have done nothing to correct them, but just let it run on.Similarly, you are I think fully aware of the legal system in this country and how the legislative process works. Most of this has only come out when prompted repeatedly and you have drip fed us more and more information. Its unfair, unjust, inhuman, you shouldn’t have to prove anything, you tell us. The process IS overly long. It is not in the least unreasonable for the government to check the story of those wishing to remain in the country, but it needs to be able to do so quicker. One of the main reasons that this process is so long is that so many resources that should be designated to dealing with genuine refugees are tied up with dealing with social migrants and the sooner we separate the two very different entry requests the sooner we can process genuine refugees at the speed we should be.With regard to marriage/civil partnerships – if you have no right to be in this country, you have no right to marry here. You have not right to do anything here, that is the point. The government has the right to remove any person that does not have valid entry documentation. If you wish to marry someone or enter into a civil partnership with someone here and remain in this country then there are mechanisms to allow this, a process that you and your partner are currently going though, albeit begrudgingly.Over several years I have helped a number of people to have their immigration status confirmed. I live in a part of London that is 80% BME, with large numbers of refugees. I am well aware of the difficult circumstances that they endure until they are given leave to remain, in finding and paying for accommodation, supporting their families, accessing healthcare and finding work. I am aware of the businesses that prey on these people as a source of cheap labour, paying them well below minimum wage. I am aware of the difficulties their children face growing up in a consumer society that they can only view from afar coming from a family with no disposable income whatsoever. I have however never had to help anyone with an attitude like yours.It is beyond me where you think you are going to get with the thinly veiled arrogant attitude that you have. You portray yourself as a helpless victim, but scratch away at the surface a little, and it is plain to see.“but don’t neither see why I have to prove my relationship is not a “Sham””“I don’t care if my partner is here without leave to remain”“Yes we are going through the ALLEGED appropriate legal channels”“I do of course have the right to form a Civil Partnership, as I keep demanding”“we don’t have to take the rough with the smooth”Once your partner’s application to remain in this country was rejected, the government would have been within its rights to ship him off to what ever country he arrived here from. The fact that he is still here and probably still alive is only due to the government not following its own procedures. If I were you, or him, I would feel very grateful for that gift rather than bitching on here about how unfairly this country is treating him.This was a story about the most powerful LGBT people in British politics and you have completely hijacked it in a Bill-esque way.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25471 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:23:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25471 Nicely said, Omar. Nicely said, Omar.

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]]> By: OMAR KUDDUS http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html/comment-page-1/#comment-25472 OMAR KUDDUS Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:05:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6415.html#comment-25472 Surprisingly, I see no “creeping change” in our story. For it is the truth and unlike yourself who hides under a alias we don’t. A search on my name would show that everything I have said is true and been said by me, time and time again.I do not want “ special” treatment” but don’t neither see why I have to prove my relationship is not a “Sham”, for did you have to( for your partner, if you have one) ? I doubt it.In regards to the use of ” marrage”, there is nothing meant other than its easier to type than Civil Partnership each time and even a buffoon knows that gay couples cant get married but form a civil partnership.I don’t care if my partner is here without leave to remain and that in many other countries, he would not be here in such circumstances, he would already be out.That is exactly my point.If you let potential asylum seekers into the country/ society then the government MUST expect that some of us will fall in love with them, regardless of their status at the time. I am sorry you feel that your time has been wasted, in that you actually took any interest in it. I did not reeled you in with a sob story that now seems very far from the reality, because I doubt you understand the concept of life and reality we are having to live on a daily basis. Yes we are going through the alleged appropriate legal channels to allow him to remain by entering into a civil partnership. The government is doing checks to ensure it is a bone fide relationship before allowing the civil partnership to go ahead, rather than a sham application to allow him to stay in the country, when all other avenues have failed.On the bases of a document that was declared illegal, which even by the HO website itself admits. Why not see the link to; gherson.com/articles/court-of-appeal-oncertificates-of-approval-fo..The government may be going through the necessary legal channels to overturn the Appeal Court decision, though there is, clearly no definite case for this, or it would have been permitted and granted at the first instance at the Court of Appeal.In the meantime, our application may be being processed in the same was as every other gay or straight couple (or pretend couple) in the system, and would be equality, if it was not an “illegal” document, or that all LGBTs / heterosexuals who wished to marry/ form a civil partnership had to prove their intent was not a “sham”.Equality is I agree what exactly what we have been fighting to achieve for years, and what separates us from countries like Iran; the fact that we have a legal system that is just and fair. Agreeably sometimes it doesn’t suit us and sometimes it doesn’t work in our favour, but I’m afraid we don’t have to take the rough with the smooth, as I have proved before, in the House of Lords.I do of course have the right to form a Civil Partnership, as I keep demanding, by statutory law. And in regards to whether I have the right to marry someone who has no right to be in this country in this country, does not depend on the “story” given to the Home Office, but because he is entitled to under article 12 and 14 of the EUCH, as proved by Law, and not something that the Sec of State for the Home Office can decide or interfere with. Piecing together the numerous threads that appear by you in the comments section of the Pinknews (as I could find no other mention of you on the www!) the only issue that seems to be true is that you are anti asylum and hate being proved wrong.As I have said before I hope I haven’t offended you, but unlike some, know what I am talking about. We thank you for your concern regarding my partner and have no fear of what has been said to the Home Office, for the Truth does not ever have to be water tight, for by nature it is (when it is not a yarn that I have allegedly have spun on here, for whatever reason you may think). Surprisingly, I see no “creeping change” in our story. For it is the truth and unlike yourself who hides under a alias we don’t. A search on my name would show that everything I have said is true and been said by me, time and time again.I do not want “ special” treatment” but don’t neither see why I have to prove my relationship is not a “Sham”, for did you have to( for your partner, if you have one) ? I doubt it.In regards to the use of ” marrage”, there is nothing meant other than its easier to type than Civil Partnership each time and even a buffoon knows that gay couples cant get married but form a civil partnership.I don’t care if my partner is here without leave to remain and that in many other countries, he would not be here in such circumstances, he would already be out.That is exactly my point.If you let potential asylum seekers into the country/ society then the government MUST expect that some of us will fall in love with them, regardless of their status at the time. I am sorry you feel that your time has been wasted, in that you actually took any interest in it. I did not reeled you in with a sob story that now seems very far from the reality, because I doubt you understand the concept of life and reality we are having to live on a daily basis. Yes we are going through the alleged appropriate legal channels to allow him to remain by entering into a civil partnership. The government is doing checks to ensure it is a bone fide relationship before allowing the civil partnership to go ahead, rather than a sham application to allow him to stay in the country, when all other avenues have failed.On the bases of a document that was declared illegal, which even by the HO website itself admits. Why not see the link to; gherson.com/articles/court-of-appeal-oncertificates-of-approval-fo..The government may be going through the necessary legal channels to overturn the Appeal Court decision, though there is, clearly no definite case for this, or it would have been permitted and granted at the first instance at the Court of Appeal.In the meantime, our application may be being processed in the same was as every other gay or straight couple (or pretend couple) in the system, and would be equality, if it was not an “illegal” document, or that all LGBTs / heterosexuals who wished to marry/ form a civil partnership had to prove their intent was not a “sham”.Equality is I agree what exactly what we have been fighting to achieve for years, and what separates us from countries like Iran; the fact that we have a legal system that is just and fair. Agreeably sometimes it doesn’t suit us and sometimes it doesn’t work in our favour, but I’m afraid we don’t have to take the rough with the smooth, as I have proved before, in the House of Lords.I do of course have the right to form a Civil Partnership, as I keep demanding, by statutory law. And in regards to whether I have the right to marry someone who has no right to be in this country in this country, does not depend on the “story” given to the Home Office, but because he is entitled to under article 12 and 14 of the EUCH, as proved by Law, and not something that the Sec of State for the Home Office can decide or interfere with. Piecing together the numerous threads that appear by you in the comments section of the Pinknews (as I could find no other mention of you on the www!) the only issue that seems to be true is that you are anti asylum and hate being proved wrong.As I have said before I hope I haven’t offended you, but unlike some, know what I am talking about. We thank you for your concern regarding my partner and have no fear of what has been said to the Home Office, for the Truth does not ever have to be water tight, for by nature it is (when it is not a yarn that I have allegedly have spun on here, for whatever reason you may think).

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