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By: Bobo

Bobo — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:03:00 +0000

Rob Neal,Bobo knows Bonobos are Chimpanzees. And Chimpanzees (common and pygmy) along with Gorillas, Orangs and Humans are Great Apes which along with the Gibbons constitute the Apes or to give them their proper name the superfamily Hominoidea.

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By: apYrs

apYrs — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:42:00 +0000

Rob Neal I'm sorry you are so dismissive of the "gay" community.No doubt CHE, Stonewall, TUC LGBT and all the other groups will prove to have been illusory, and we got what we did through the benevolence of various Govts. Sorry to sound acrid, but having put some time into this myself, in a small way, I see that there ARE a lot of people not fixated on the scene trying to do something

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By: Rob Neal

Rob Neal — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:05:00 +0000

Bobo – Sorry. Bonobos are actually Chimpanzees. I had been under the impression they were smaller.

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By: Bobo

Bobo — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:53:00 +0000

anyhoo – getting back to the original posting. Bonobos aren't monkeys. They are apes.

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By: Rob Neal

Rob Neal — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:05:00 +0000

I think people are getting pissed off with this internal squabble. The fact is though, it is three or four people just rather sick of Bill Perdue's incessant opinionated ranting.I for one am not going to say any more, and I suggest Luke, William, Mary et al do the same, and maybe Bill will put a sock in it. (Although I think it unlikely)Oh, and Aprys, in my opinion, there is no such thing as a "gay community". Just a bunch of selfish men that get sex any way they can and frankly don't give a damn about anyone or anything else.

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By: Sister Mary Clarence

Sister Mary Clarence — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:56:00 +0000

Martin, clearly as a new arrival you have not seen a certain individual and his cronies for all intense and purpose run individuals off this site because they have a differing from someone’s deluded and rather partial take on UK/world life.As I am sure you will find out to your cost if you express the ‘wrong’ view about a news story, it can be extremely unpleasant. Although to be fair whenever the individual becomes involved the topic of comment is soon shifted from the original news story to some unique brand of creationism, which for the purposes of this posting I will hence forth refer to as utter shite. The temptation is always to response to slurs like Nazi or racist and I’m afraid I would defend a person’s right to do so where such allegations are completely spurious.I think for the first time a number of people have acted together and stood up for themselves and each other to stop this barbaric bullying. The utter shite is bad enough, but the bullying of any individual that questions the relevance or accuracy of the utter shite has gone on too long.

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By: apYrs

apYrs — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:13:00 +0000

I'm afraid I have to agree with Martin RYou remind me a lot of a debating society or pressure group. You're so inwardly-focussed, slagging each other off and bitching, that you forget that the real fight is us (LGBT community and our friends) against them (the elements of the straight world that would gladly see us dead or in camps).In the UK we have this luxury, but it is an indulgence that diverts energy away from the substantive issues.Focus people: we will always have disagreements on things, but need to combat the fundies et al rather than get tied up in internal squabbles.

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By: martin R

martin R — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:35:00 +0000

I repeat: will you small bunch of people stop monopolising this site for personal mudslinging. I imagine I'm not the only reader who is fed-up with this childish ranting by people who just can't let go.This is probably why there seems to be so few new contributors. Please get a new hobby horse and some fresh issues so that once again this site can be of interest to those other than this irritating little clique.

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By: Luke

Luke — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:39:00 +0000

Bill, seriously, what is it about everyone’s posts you don’t understand? Is it the words of more than 2 syllables or just those posts written in English?English eh Bill. My how it must grate to have to express yourself in the language of the imperialistic, colonialist Brits. How much nicer it would be if you could put your thoughts (I use the word loosely) down in the language of those bastions of Marxism ruled by Fidel Castro and Kim Jong-il. Trouble is, they may not allow Internet access to such decadent, immoral sites as Pinknews.co.uk. Gay rights tend not be too high on the agenda of these Marxist utopias. Persecuting gays yes, but not letting them live in peace.Still, don’t let the thought of all those non-western gays being persecuted put you off enjoying your cappuccino while plotting the overthrow of the capitalist system. You know, the one you can replace with a Marxist one like they have in, errrr, North Korea.You suggest Rob visit a mosque. I take it you haven’t seen the Channel 4 documentary “Undercover mosque” in which assorted clerics were recorded openly advocating killing gays and preaching hatred against Jews as well as everyone else. Gosh, I guess that’s a cue for you to ignore that issue and start ranting about Catholics.Nice to know you’ve confirmed the Jewish State of Israel has no right to exist. My support for Israel has never gone beyond noting their good record on gay rights but in your eyes that makes me a neo-con-imperialist-Zionist (or whatever is the choice of words for foaming at the mouth Marxists this month). Most moderates, within a 95% spectrum of those with an opinion, advocate some kind of two-tier state solution. Not you though Bill. Those pesky Jews eh?You say that Israel “produced 9-11 and dozens of similar incidents in the EU and the ongoing carnage in the Muslim world”. Yep, it’s all the fault of the Jews again isn’t it Bill? Those Russian schoolchildren gunned down in Belsan by Islamic terrorists were really asking for it weren’t they? Those Thai Buddhists getting their heads lopped off in Southern Thailand by Islamic separatists really helped the Palestinian cause. Madrid bombing? It was the Jews fault. London buses on 7/7? Must be a Zionist there somewhere.My reference to Mohammed and his status in the Islamic world today, completely went over your head didn’t it? That’s why we can’t consign it to 7th century Arabia.You mention World War II, but curiously omit the fact that Yasser Arafat’s uncle, the grand Mufti of Jerusalem, spent most of the War as a guest of Himmler in Berlin, giving them advice on solving the Jewish problem.Oh, and would you like to comment on the Palestinians barbaric treatment of gay Muslims? You know, the ones who are so desperate they seek, and are granted, asylum in Israel. Perhaps they should stay and be murdered by the police in Palestine rather than offend your blinkered view of the situation. But like I’ve said, you Marxists are the real racists. You don’t give a damn about non-white gay Muslims, just so long as their persecution allows you to rant about, well, the rest of the world.

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By: Bill Perdue

Bill Perdue — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:17:00 +0000

Luke, still trying to disguise his racism says he’s not biased against muslims, just their religion. He doesn’t agree with the need for a concerted GLBT struggle against the conservative Iranians who murder GLBT folk, women, students and trade unionists. He refuses to support the intensive GLBT campaign to stop the US and English colonial military forces who supply arms to jihadist death squads. Instead he restricts himself to pathetic stabs at belittling muslims and their culture and identifies with the zionist swine who murder Palestinians. He uses the same lame justification as bigoted swine like Paisley, who rants about the danger of ‘papist inquisitors’ to justify the beatings and murders of the Irish in occupied Ireland. Luke’s attack on muhammads decision to have a child bride 1400 years ago is symptomatic of his racist approach. But, like most Conservatives he denies being a racist. He can prove it one way or another by answering a few questions. Luke says it’s “… bizarre how Marxists can just about tolerate Jews when they're being murdered in gas chambers, but when they dare have their own country, you seeth (sic) and whine about them …” Zionists don’t have their own country, and only conservative racists imagine they do. Zionists stole part of Palestine after English colonialists promised it to them in return for help during the first World War. Their attempt has been a disaster, and not just for the Mideast. That’s why Jews around the world are in agreement with columnist Richard Cohen who says that "Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now." It produced 9-11 and dozens of similar incidents in the EU and the ongoing carnage in the muslim world. What precisely does the tortured phrase “just about tolerate” mean? Who tolerated death camps? None of the anti-Nazi powers lifted a finger to save Europe’s Jews before or during the Second World War. On the contrary, the English and French cooperated in the Nazi takeovers of the Rhineland, Austria, and Czechoslovakia. The Stalinists cooperated with the Nazi invasion of Poland. The US refused to allow mass immigration of escaping Jews, refused to bomb the rail lines leading to the camps and recruited many Nazis and SS men in the decades after 1945. And the gutless zionists abandoned European Jews to their fate and went of to steal land and build kibbutzim. So now we know some of those who tolerated death camps? Luke didn’t mention them or the notoriously anti-Semitic, pro fascist sentiments of many members of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family and among pro-Nazi Conservatives like the Clivden set. Was he thinking of them when he mentioned those who “just about tolerate Jews when they're being murdered in gas chambers”. That would make a lot more sense. Was his neglect to mention who really was in collusion with the Nazi’s a symptom of the onset of senescence? If he admits it maybe we’ll understand and let him off the hook. But don’t count on it. So which is it, senility or dismal lies? Please, Lukie, answer the question. Perhaps Luke’s referring to Desmond Tutu as someone guilty of the crime of criticizing zionist murders and land theft in Palestine. Is Tutu one of you alleged whining anti-Semites when he says that his visit to the apartheid zionist state " reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa… the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about" He went on to say his criticism of the Israeli Government did not mean he was anti-Semitic."I am not even anti-white, despite the madness of that group," he said. Is Tutu also whining when he roundly condemns the bigotry of most of the anglo catholic cult? Answer the questions. Luke, can you answer these questions? If you refuse to answer them or continue hiding behind your religious prejudices you’ll have given us all the answers we need. Rob Neal doesn’t bother to deny his racism. He’s unrepentant about his sociopathic racist behavior disorder and refuses to follow my advice to seek psychiatric help. If he personally attempts “kicking out anybody that threatens that status quo” by visiting his local mosque he’d get an real education about the dangers of being a racist. Maybe the paramedics will be able to save his sorry ass, or many not. More likely though he’s just a coward who blows hot air and waits for the skinheads to act. But that’s dangerous too: skinheads aren’t very gay–friendly so maybe he ought to just invest in some binoculars. Mother Superior, there’s no need to get insulting by asking if leftists are ‘warming’ to you. Especially me. You know full well that I have nothing but contempt for toadying apologists for Conservative gaybashers. As you settle into pluymp complacency you’re internalized homophobia and wealth distorts your politics and continually drives you to the right. Toe tapping US Senator Larry Craig is a wild eyed militant queer compared to you. But don’t worry, if you ever do let you guard down and expose your ‘inner racist’ we’ll make you back down again – count on it. There’s no closet deep enough for you to hide. “…hopefully that sets everyone straight on the situation with Ireland, our neighbours and good friends.” Mother Superior and other reactionaries can delude themselves all day and all night but the fact is that the victims of English colonialism suffered greatly from colonialism just as their descendents suffer from its aftermath. Chief among them are the Irish victims of some 700 of years of English murder, land theft and induced famines. Only delusional dummies and retarded DUP hand puppets think otherwise.

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By: martin R

martin R — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:57:00 +0000

This whole site seems to be dominated by three or four people who have apparently decided to have a personal slagging-off match with each other, and as a consequence have lost any objectivity they might otherwise have had.Get less personal and political and we might get some fresh points of view for a change. Please.

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By: Rob Neal

Rob Neal — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:29:00 +0000

William and Luke (and Sister Mary), thanks for supporting the cause. I am still trying to visualise "a goat with a laptop", let alone a marxist one. ;o)Maybe when this cretin realises that there is a third world war looming that will probably destroy the planet if global warming, China, Russia, Iran, Korea, USA, EU, Hollywood scriptwriters, Godzilla, Evangelists, UFO's, the Loch Ness Monster or the ghost of Elvis don't do it first, he might find something worth arguing about.Now, who takes it up the bum? ;o)

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By: William - Dublin

William - Dublin — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:57:00 +0000

Sister Mary, thanks for your very kind words, much appreciated. Cheers.As for Bill, the award for "Ironic Posting" goes to him for his astounding accusation that another here is "illiterate dunce". Simply classic.Bill, have you actually tried to read one of your "postings" AFTER you hit the enter key??? A goat with a laptop could come up with a more eloquent grasp of the English language than you. To think there are grammar and spell checkers so readily available, and yet you still produce grammatical constructs worthy of a room of monkeys with typewriters.Not only does it appear you just learned English this morning, and failed miserably at the attempt, it seems you cant even use a PC correctly.You should try to get your pet cat to do your next posting, I can only imagine the cat will make a better attempt at literacy than you hammering on the keyboard with your fists and screaming former soviet propaganda slogans at the screen.I'm not even going to attempt to discuss the content of your last posting, no more then I would try discuss logic with a lunatic.

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By: Luke

Luke — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:34:00 +0000

The only thing stopping comrade Bill's posts losing all grip with reality is his Word grammar and spell checker. I'm sure it has a higher IQ.Bill, you are an incredibly stupid man so I'll explain this slowly.Islam…..is……not…..a…..raceCriticism of Islamic clerics who want to kill us here in Europe (and who do kill gay Muslims in the Middle East) can in no way be described as racist.Is there any part of what I've written so far that you don't understand? If so, read it again s..l..o..w..l..y.It must be galling for you to note that in all these evil nominally Christian countries of the capitalist West gays have far more rights that in the countries where the mad mullahs (whom you can barely bring yourself to criticise) hold sway. Or indeed Jewish Israel.Bizarre how Marxists can just about tolerate Jews when they're being murdered in gas chambers, but when they dare have their own country, you seeth and whine about them to the near total exclusion of any other country.As I've said before, you and your fellow Marxists are the real racists. Putting a moral equivalence on the kinds of minor discrimination we face in the West with largely non-white Muslims getting beaten, imprisoned and strung up in many parts of the Islamic world.Or consider the fact that your communist ideal States of the USSR (as it was) and China persecuted gays when communism was the order of the day.Both of these countries (Russia as it is now) have decriminalised homosexuality in recent years: When Yeltsin was dumping communism and when China started to embrace the free market. Of course, they have a long way to go, but decriminalisation was the first step.That's a few bases covered and it just leaves Ireland. Your support for Sinn Fein has been noted. Can we assume that you also supported the IRA and their terrorist bombing attacks on civilians or would you like to condemn them unreservedly?Oh and please don't chant "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" (though I doubt you could remember that many words if they had to be spoken). That really is a 6th form debating point which even you must have outgrown.

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By: Rob Neal

Rob Neal — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:19:00 +0000

Bill: Likewise, if you are determined to resort to bouts of mudslinging and name calling when you are beaten into a corner, then it is not entirely surprising that we consider your argument well and truly pummelled into the ground, When you can come up with a convincing barre, then we might have a lucent and enlightening debate. Until that point I suggest you refrain from quoting erroneous statements from Wikipedia and actually try talking about things you actually know about.It seems every regular on this website comes up against you sooner or later, so who do think is out of step? (Don't answer that, we've already surmised your answer.)I am about looking after my country, from power-mad lunatics like USA, or religious zealots like Iran. I have no agenda but myself, and the country in which I reside, and if that means kicking out anybody that threatens that status quo, then so be it. You are a sad little fuckwit with nothing better to do than argue on some backwater website that doesn't even concern you, living in another country with an entirely different political perspective and a capitalistic, profiteering and moronic mentality that you choose to adopt, and think that fact gives you the Goddamn right to hold court in this one. I think the words "Stones" "Glass houses" and "Throw" spring to mind.Now fuck off and leave the rest of us to discuss matters you wouldn't understand.

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By: Sister Mary Clarence

Sister Mary Clarence — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:03:00 +0000

Ah Bill, I see you do listen sometimes don’t you. You’ve avoided including me in your little diatribe about racism and colonialism (Rob and Luke only). As we’ve discussed my family benefited from your hated colonialism, as did many millions of others, including I suspect yours. I’m disappointed my goading hasn’t elicited a more personal attack though. I hope you’re not warming to me.Luke has already made the point that just because we are gay does not mean we will necessarily all agree on things but the numbers agreeing that you are unhinged seems to be growing every week.I’m a bit confused as well why you would imagine that anyone is laughing at William. There were three posting thanking William for his update on the political situation in Ireland. I notice however there were none following yours. There may have been some laughing, Bill, but I think it unlikely that is was directed at William.Again you have hijacked another story and turned the conversation to you. Rob and Luke have underestimated your debating skills I fear, because we are no longer even debating the Anglo-Irish political situation, and it certainly isn’t a tangent we have gone off on. Why of course, you’ve done it again and plotted a course for Planet Bill, where Bill’s word is law. In fact the Gospel of Bill is the only word, and in the way of gospels, when you actually read it, is comprised solely of made up shite.Well Bill I for one has heard your shite just about enough. You can sling as many names at me as you want – your opinion to me is worthless. I used to worry that people would actually take what you say, or some of it at less, to be true. I really should have more confidence in my fellow man. Reassuringly it appears that no one does.Get another hobby mate.

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By: Bill Perdue

Bill Perdue — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:16:00 +0000

I am certainly not on the side of racists of any sexuality. Rob Neal and Luke are racists, pathetic little creatures who have a compulsive need to feel superior to ‘towelheads’ and muslims. I strongly advise them to read from the works of Frantz Fanon, a world famous psychoanalyst specializing in the psychopathology of colonialism. Perhaps his works will help them come to grips with the loss of empire and their aberrant racism. But I doubt it. It’s not particularly clever to expect GLBT activists or socialists or antiracists to be concerned about damaging or improving ‘Anglo-American relations ‘with racists, oppose same sex marriage or dunces who don’t know what happening in their alleged homeland or those whose only claim to fame is that they defend bigots in the Conservative Party. However you can expect to be justly criticized for those views. Too bad if you don’t like it. Get used to it. As for William, I repeat, learn to read newspapers. If you must be a hand puppet for Paisley and the English at least do us the favor of getting caught up on current events. It’s undoubtedly difficult for an illiterate dunce like you to get the facts straight, but you have to try. Read what Blair and Ahern say about the IRA. I provided the hyperlinks and even quoted them to make it easy on you. When you’ve digested that then you can pretend to have a smattering of knowledge about Ireland. Maybe people won’t laugh so much if you don’t betray you ignorance so often.

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By: Rob Neal

Rob Neal — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:45:00 +0000

I totally go with Luke and Mary. It's strange how all these Irish-supporting "top 'o' d' morning to ya" yanks always claim their Hibernian birthright with St Patrick's parades etc.I remember getting very dirty looks when I refused to donate when someone rattled a NORAID tin at me on the Staten Island ferry a few years ago. "The IRA are just people trying to get their country back from those bastard English" they all cried. That was until some towelheads flew a couple of jets into the middle of Manhattan, and Americans finally realised what it was like to live in the shadow of terrorism. Much that I would never condone the deaths, in some ways 9/11 was a good thing in that it finally woke up a complacent bunch of idiots into awareness. That said, 3000 people died. The Nazis were gassing more than that every day at the height of their power.Think on that.I have long suspected the whole reason the Anglo-Irish peace agreements came about was simply because American support and funding for the IRA dried up after 9/11, and the murdering bastards couldn't use political reasons to justify what was actually not much more than gangsterism. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness were all part of that and have blood on their hands, so they may feign acceptable politicians credentials, but to many people they are still simply murderers. If anyone thinks that by saying they are only "the political wing of the IRA" and distancing themselves from the violence, I think it's a bit like saying "We are the vegetarian wing of the Waffen SS"Anyway, how did we drift from Sudanese gay men to Anglo-Irish politics? Oh yes, American Marxist dickheads spouting rhetoric. Move to Moscow or Bejing, sunshine, then tell us all how good it is.(If you can get an Internet connection out, that is)..

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By: Luke

Luke — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:38:00 +0000

Thanks Sister Mary and William. There's no reason why we should all agree on religion or politics, but it becomes a bit tiresome, when certain individuals constantly go off at a tangent from the initial topic, huffing and puffing about their irrational pet hates.

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By: Sister Mary Clarence

Sister Mary Clarence — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:51:00 +0000

Luke, I'd like to commend you on your posting not just on this thread, but in general. What you have to say is worth reading and often very witty. I seldom have the patience that you clearly have to respond to the comments of certain individuals in such n erudite and articulate way.Bill, I was going to run through your last posting and respond to each of the inaccuracies and biased opinions individually. I soon realised that the whole thing was total shite though, so I have given up.Despite what you obviously think, you bring absolutely nothing whatsoever to the gay community and have probably done more to damage to Anglo-American relations on this site than George Bush.

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