Comments on: Gay workplace protection law moves forward http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:38:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21414 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:16:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21414 Charlotte, thanks for that, excellent! Charlotte, thanks for that, excellent!

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21415 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:12:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21415 Dominick, I'm aware that equality for blacks was won at the federal level, but no democrat in the Clinton, Obama, Edwards triumvirate would ever introduce marriage equality at the federal level. It will be someone like Feingold or Kucinich, the only two who aren't afraid to risk their careers, but do you really think if they did, the democratic party would get behind it and support passage? I don't. For the three frontrunners its political suicide, their careers are far more important than the rights of the people they represent. Its always been that way when it comes to controversial issues such as this. Its what happened in New Jersey, the opted for second rate civil unions when they could have easily gone for marriage, the votes were there. They did it to remain in office and to not upset the religious bigots and conservative constituents. Its what happened in the UK, Blair admitted he didn't want to go the way of marriage because it would upset the moral majority in the church and their own party constituents and give power to the Tory party. Its so transparent. Its called cowardice, nothing new there. Dominick, I'm aware that equality for blacks was won at the federal level, but no democrat in the Clinton, Obama, Edwards triumvirate would ever introduce marriage equality at the federal level. It will be someone like Feingold or Kucinich, the only two who aren't afraid to risk their careers, but do you really think if they did, the democratic party would get behind it and support passage? I don't. For the three frontrunners its political suicide, their careers are far more important than the rights of the people they represent. Its always been that way when it comes to controversial issues such as this. Its what happened in New Jersey, the opted for second rate civil unions when they could have easily gone for marriage, the votes were there. They did it to remain in office and to not upset the religious bigots and conservative constituents. Its what happened in the UK, Blair admitted he didn't want to go the way of marriage because it would upset the moral majority in the church and their own party constituents and give power to the Tory party. Its so transparent. Its called cowardice, nothing new there.

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]]> By: Charlotte http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21416 Charlotte Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:01:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21416 Thanks Dominick!! Feel free to passour link on to the World The more people watch it perhaps more people will understand our position. If anyone has a relative or co-worker that just doesn't get it maybe this film will help. FYI, we're turning it into a full length feature to impact the 2008 Elections....www.OUTTAKEonline.com Thanks Dominick!! Feel free to passour link on to the World The more people watch it perhaps more people will understand our position. If anyone has a relative or co-worker that just doesn't get it maybe this film will help. FYI, we're turning it into a full length feature to impact the 2008 Elections….www.OUTTAKEonline.com

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]]> By: Dominick J. Di Noto http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21417 Dominick J. Di Noto Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21417 Charlotte, great movie. I've taken the liberty of copying and pasting it to send to my address book and them to do the same.Thanks for the uplifting look. Charlotte, great movie. I've taken the liberty of copying and pasting it to send to my address book and them to do the same.Thanks for the uplifting look.

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]]> By: Charlotte http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21418 Charlotte Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:31:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21418 Hey Guys....I think you need to seeour short film on gay marriage.(9:30)We produced it to defuse the gaymarriage controversy. It has a wayof opening closed minds. We shot itas gay marriage became the law in Massachusetts.... Hey Guys….I think you need to seeour short film on gay marriage.(9:30)We produced it to defuse the gaymarriage controversy. It has a wayof opening closed minds. We shot itas gay marriage became the law in Massachusetts….

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]]> By: Dominick J. Di Noto http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21419 Dominick J. Di Noto Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:55:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21419 Robert it wasn't a State by State movemnet that got our sisters and brothers of the Balck community to gain full equality. If the Federal Government says so, it will be done!It would a lot easier if the individual States already passed marriage equality, but if the Federal Government passed it the States have to abide by it. Robert it wasn't a State by State movemnet that got our sisters and brothers of the Balck community to gain full equality. If the Federal Government says so, it will be done!It would a lot easier if the individual States already passed marriage equality, but if the Federal Government passed it the States have to abide by it.

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]]> By: Charlotte http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21420 Charlotte Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:49:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21420 Robert...The last thing I heard waseven some conservatives were gettingbehind Baldwin's amendment. The rightto work seems to have hit a cord.I'm a die hard optimist butas we know anything can happen.Hopefully it will go the floorthis week.... Robert…The last thing I heard waseven some conservatives were gettingbehind Baldwin's amendment. The rightto work seems to have hit a cord.I'm a die hard optimist butas we know anything can happen.Hopefully it will go the floorthis week….

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21421 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:53:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21421 Dominick, Clinton has said that if the legislature approved marriage equality she would not veto it. However, I don't see that happening so soon. Its going to be a state by state uphill battle to get governors to sign off and then only if they're democrats of course. Corzine of NJ said he'd not veto the upgrade from civil unions to marriage if approved.What is so awful is that we're going to end up with a country where only half if that permit marriage. Its going to be a mess and a bureaucratic nightmare for a lot of people. Bill is right, we need a federal equality bill that must include all rights in the manner of ERA, including marriage rights, without that, we're going nowhere fast. We have our work cut out for us. Its our job now to convince the dems that full equality is the only way to go. Either they support it or they no longer get our votes, let alone take them for granted. Dominick, Clinton has said that if the legislature approved marriage equality she would not veto it. However, I don't see that happening so soon. Its going to be a state by state uphill battle to get governors to sign off and then only if they're democrats of course. Corzine of NJ said he'd not veto the upgrade from civil unions to marriage if approved.What is so awful is that we're going to end up with a country where only half if that permit marriage. Its going to be a mess and a bureaucratic nightmare for a lot of people. Bill is right, we need a federal equality bill that must include all rights in the manner of ERA, including marriage rights, without that, we're going nowhere fast. We have our work cut out for us. Its our job now to convince the dems that full equality is the only way to go. Either they support it or they no longer get our votes, let alone take them for granted.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21422 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:48:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21422 Charlotte, I emailed Tammy to thank her and also urged Barney to get behind it. I also called my local congressman to support the amendment. Hope it all helps. Charlotte, I emailed Tammy to thank her and also urged Barney to get behind it. I also called my local congressman to support the amendment. Hope it all helps.

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]]> By: Dominick J. Di Noto http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21423 Dominick J. Di Noto Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:33:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21423 Robert I hear what you're saying, but there still is a better chance that if the legislature can come together, like the California legislature has done on several occasins, and write a comprhensive fully Inclusive bill, She would not vetoe it. There are quite a few more Gays in Congress to represent us and friends of Gays and they are not in there by chance, they've been voted in by their constiuients. Something Arnold doesn't seem to grasp! He's not that smart, But any of those other Dems you mention is! Any way I'm betting and hoping on it. Robert I hear what you're saying, but there still is a better chance that if the legislature can come together, like the California legislature has done on several occasins, and write a comprhensive fully Inclusive bill, She would not vetoe it. There are quite a few more Gays in Congress to represent us and friends of Gays and they are not in there by chance, they've been voted in by their constiuients. Something Arnold doesn't seem to grasp! He's not that smart, But any of those other Dems you mention is! Any way I'm betting and hoping on it.

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]]> By: Charlotte http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21424 Charlotte Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:27:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21424 Hey Robert,It's been crazy here with ENDA.I spoke to Tammy Baldwin's officethis week they're totallycommitted to making this right.I'm in Massachusetts Frank isone of my Congressmen. I've met him a few times. I hope he gets behind theamendment. Especially if he wantsto stay in office.... Hey Robert,It's been crazy here with ENDA.I spoke to Tammy Baldwin's officethis week they're totallycommitted to making this right.I'm in Massachusetts Frank isone of my Congressmen. I've met him a few times. I hope he gets behind theamendment. Especially if he wantsto stay in office….

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21425 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:18:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21425 Charlotte, I just heard that Barney Frank of Massachusetts is now getting behind the Baldwin amendment. He must have received a lot of flack from gay constituents about that one. Charlotte, I just heard that Barney Frank of Massachusetts is now getting behind the Baldwin amendment. He must have received a lot of flack from gay constituents about that one.

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]]> By: Charlotte http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21426 Charlotte Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:27:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21426 ENDA Amendment Includes Transgender Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) plansto offer an amendment on the House floor, possibly next week, to reinstate protections for our transgender community to theEmployment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA). ENDA Amendment Includes Transgender Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) plansto offer an amendment on the House floor, possibly next week, to reinstate protections for our transgender community to theEmployment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA).

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21427 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:44:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21427 Dominick, Clinton has said that she would support civil unions with most of the rights of marriage, not all, at the federal level, either way we lose. Obama and Edwards also endorse her stand on not granting marriage equality to gay and lesbian citizens. Its a sellout, the same crap every four years. So what they are saying is that they really don't believe in full equality for all, except Kucinich, Gravel, Feingold, Pelosi and Kennedy. Dominick, Clinton has said that she would support civil unions with most of the rights of marriage, not all, at the federal level, either way we lose. Obama and Edwards also endorse her stand on not granting marriage equality to gay and lesbian citizens. Its a sellout, the same crap every four years. So what they are saying is that they really don't believe in full equality for all, except Kucinich, Gravel, Feingold, Pelosi and Kennedy.

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]]> By: Dominick J. Di Noto http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21428 Dominick J. Di Noto Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21428 They will only be second rate Civil Unions if we allow that to happen. If they want to call same sex marriage a CIVIL UNION then so be it BUT that must mandate ALL the same rights that go along with Marriage for heteros! They will only be second rate Civil Unions if we allow that to happen. If they want to call same sex marriage a CIVIL UNION then so be it BUT that must mandate ALL the same rights that go along with Marriage for heteros!

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21429 Robert, ex-pat Brit Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:42:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21429 Bill, I hear you, but under Clinton or the other two, they would NEVER go for a federal amendment for equality since it means full marriage equality. They've already said, no marriage for gays, only second rate civil unions. Bill, I hear you, but under Clinton or the other two, they would NEVER go for a federal amendment for equality since it means full marriage equality. They've already said, no marriage for gays, only second rate civil unions.

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]]> By: Dominick J. Di Noto http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21430 Dominick J. Di Noto Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:05:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21430 As usuall our elected officials Don't listen to us, the majority of the GLBT community!. How in the world can they think that Freedoms are separate for different people? It's like saying we will protect brain damaged kids but those born out of chemical abuse are not protected!Barney Frank should be ashamed of himself! As usuall our elected officials Don't listen to us, the majority of the GLBT community!. How in the world can they think that Freedoms are separate for different people? It's like saying we will protect brain damaged kids but those born out of chemical abuse are not protected!Barney Frank should be ashamed of himself!

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21431 Bill Perdue Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:31:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21431 The only solution to the problem of marriage rights is a federal constitutional amendment guaranteeing equality, a GLBT version of the ERA. Until we build a massive, militant campaign and achieve that goal the Democratic and Republican bigots will continue to deny us meaningful protections and keep us in a status of second class citizenship, a very hazardous status to be in. The Democratic an Republican bigots have causef untold problems and suffering for our communities and yet people continue to fantasize about them and create excuses for them. We can’t ignore that Clinton is a prowar hawk whose agenda is the same as the oil pirates Bush and Cheney, that she wants to extend the war, that she and the Democrats are union busters, etc. All the wishful thinking in the world won’t change that one iota. What conceivable reason would anyone have for supporting a war hawk, a union buster, an employee of the insurance industry, and the midwife of Don't Ask Don't Tell and the federal antimarriage equality DOMA? A very astute man once said that "Republicans are like big cats trying to run us down. Democrats, on the other hand are like pet snakes, feed em, keep em warm, but don’t trust em that much because just when you think they’re your friends…” Our only alternative is to turn and fight, to build our own independent mass action campaigns around hate crimes, job and housing discrimination, samesex marriage, etc., and doing what it takes to build the union led US Labor Party. A third party led the Second American Revolution and we can do it again. In fact, we have to do it again. The only solution to the problem of marriage rights is a federal constitutional amendment guaranteeing equality, a GLBT version of the ERA. Until we build a massive, militant campaign and achieve that goal the Democratic and Republican bigots will continue to deny us meaningful protections and keep us in a status of second class citizenship, a very hazardous status to be in. The Democratic an Republican bigots have causef untold problems and suffering for our communities and yet people continue to fantasize about them and create excuses for them. We can’t ignore that Clinton is a prowar hawk whose agenda is the same as the oil pirates Bush and Cheney, that she wants to extend the war, that she and the Democrats are union busters, etc. All the wishful thinking in the world won’t change that one iota. What conceivable reason would anyone have for supporting a war hawk, a union buster, an employee of the insurance industry, and the midwife of Don't Ask Don't Tell and the federal antimarriage equality DOMA? A very astute man once said that "Republicans are like big cats trying to run us down. Democrats, on the other hand are like pet snakes, feed em, keep em warm, but don’t trust em that much because just when you think they’re your friends…” Our only alternative is to turn and fight, to build our own independent mass action campaigns around hate crimes, job and housing discrimination, samesex marriage, etc., and doing what it takes to build the union led US Labor Party. A third party led the Second American Revolution and we can do it again. In fact, we have to do it again.

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]]> By: Charlotte http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21432 Charlotte Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:02:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21432 Nancy Pelosi Barney Frank Wake Up!!Today Congressman Barney Frank is having a news conference trying to justify his Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi's position that in order to pass ENDA we must discriminate against our Transgender Community.This is totally wrong unacceptable!!Check Out Our Site Nancy Pelosi Barney Frank Wake Up!!Today Congressman Barney Frank is having a news conference trying to justify his Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi's position that in order to pass ENDA we must discriminate against our Transgender Community.This is totally wrong unacceptable!!Check Out Our Site

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html/comment-page-1/#comment-21433 Robert, ex-pat Brit Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:33:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5798.html#comment-21433 Bill, what we need to do in the U.S. is to band together and push for the removal of tax-exempt status from every right wing religious denomination from interfering in the political process whose intent is to influence the outcome of antigay legislation and the election of antigay candidates. Further, faith-based organizations funded by the government should be banned. Its about time they learned what separation of church and state really means. We need freedom from religion in every aspect of the political process and religion should not be allowed as a litmus test to elect candidates or presidents. We're becoming a theocracy, slowly but surely. Bill, what we need to do in the U.S. is to band together and push for the removal of tax-exempt status from every right wing religious denomination from interfering in the political process whose intent is to influence the outcome of antigay legislation and the election of antigay candidates. Further, faith-based organizations funded by the government should be banned. Its about time they learned what separation of church and state really means. We need freedom from religion in every aspect of the political process and religion should not be allowed as a litmus test to elect candidates or presidents. We're becoming a theocracy, slowly but surely.

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