Comments on: Judge strikes down Sexual Orientation Regulations provision http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:45:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: jeff http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19275 jeff Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:04:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19275 Why, why, oh why does society ( and retrospectively, the law! ) bow to religion? It is a completely irrational stance that on the grounds of empty religious doctrine and dogma founded on no evidence whatsoever, that the church, as always, gets its own way. First it's american anglicans going to Uganda for ordination, then archbishop Kerry denouncing homosexuality within the ministry and now this. Oh, and let's not forget Ruth Kelly, member of Opus Dei and former cabinet minister. I wonder what she thinks, eh? It is appalling that any judge, any where, would make any concession to the Equality Act. It is shameful. Why, why, oh why does society ( and retrospectively, the law! ) bow to religion? It is a completely irrational stance that on the grounds of empty religious doctrine and dogma founded on no evidence whatsoever, that the church, as always, gets its own way. First it's american anglicans going to Uganda for ordination, then archbishop Kerry denouncing homosexuality within the ministry and now this. Oh, and let's not forget Ruth Kelly, member of Opus Dei and former cabinet minister. I wonder what she thinks, eh? It is appalling that any judge, any where, would make any concession to the Equality Act. It is shameful.

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]]> By: anon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19276 anon Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:57:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19276 i get it now, just re read it and really not much has changed. It seems to me to a hollow victory. i get it now, just re read it and really not much has changed. It seems to me to a hollow victory.

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]]> By: Robert, ex pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19277 Robert, ex pat Brit Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:56:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19277 So let the N. Ireland christians, protestant and catholic alike disciminate in the delivery of goods and services. They are still liable under the law and can be sued for damages which could put them out of business. So be it. Lets hope many lawsuits ensue and do just that. Maybe its a more effective way of dealing with them, hitting them in their pocket where it hurts. They can't have it both ways, either put up or suffer the consequences. Robert, ex-pat Brit. So let the N. Ireland christians, protestant and catholic alike disciminate in the delivery of goods and services. They are still liable under the law and can be sued for damages which could put them out of business. So be it. Lets hope many lawsuits ensue and do just that. Maybe its a more effective way of dealing with them, hitting them in their pocket where it hurts. They can't have it both ways, either put up or suffer the consequences. Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: anon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19278 anon Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:36:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19278 So does that mean as gay people in ireland they can refuse to serve and respect relgious people, of corse not. It always a one way street. As for the comment we will over turn it in Scotland, good , then all the lovely gay scottish people will move to England, and you will live in a land of bad taste, bad humour and bad hair cuts. I dont think it will be over turned in the UK. No one apart from the bigoted few will stand and say lets openly discriminate against any one nowadays. If there is ever a fighting fund set up so the LBGT community can set up a fighting fund to appeal. Lets us know on here , because I for one will donate, and help spread the word. I think what annoys me so much about all of this is the fact that reglious people can openly talk about the LBGT community with such damming phrases, and yet we can not retalite, even with reason. I think to the western world it just gives the message that Ireland has not moved with the times, and if I was a global industry, I would think very had about relocating to a counrty that has such a narrow outlook. So does that mean as gay people in ireland they can refuse to serve and respect relgious people, of corse not. It always a one way street. As for the comment we will over turn it in Scotland, good , then all the lovely gay scottish people will move to England, and you will live in a land of bad taste, bad humour and bad hair cuts. I dont think it will be over turned in the UK. No one apart from the bigoted few will stand and say lets openly discriminate against any one nowadays. If there is ever a fighting fund set up so the LBGT community can set up a fighting fund to appeal. Lets us know on here , because I for one will donate, and help spread the word. I think what annoys me so much about all of this is the fact that reglious people can openly talk about the LBGT community with such damming phrases, and yet we can not retalite, even with reason. I think to the western world it just gives the message that Ireland has not moved with the times, and if I was a global industry, I would think very had about relocating to a counrty that has such a narrow outlook.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19279 Bill Perdue Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:01:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19279 Robert, ex pat Brit I don't have a clear idea of how things will unfold in the north. It was established at the insistence of colonists who threatened civil war in the 1920's. In 1940 Churchill offered to give it to the Republic in exchange for naval bases on Irish soil and entry into the war but the Republic refused. Colonists in the north sought to keep the Irish in a second class status, with lower pay and social services, ghettoization, etc, and routinely use terror, often egged on and backed up by English security, military, and police forces to stay on top. The grinding persistence of officially sanctioned second class treatment and occasion bursts or terror prompted the explosive regeneration the IRA in the 60’s and 70’s. The IRA became the self-defense force of the Irish and thousands enlisted under its banner. SF says the IRA stood down to force the English and the antiunion paisleyites to stand down but that hasn’t happened yet. SF is signatory to the agreement to reunite Ireland, but the racist and chauvinist paisleyites are adamantly opposed and will no doubt resume their killing spree if it comes close to fruition. Labour and the other English parties are terrified of taking a leadership role on this question or doing what ultimately has to be done, suppressing the antigay paisleyites. So at some point the Irish will have to step in and do just that. For now I’m clueless about when and how that’ll develop, but it’s exceedingly unlikely to be via a stealth mass immigration from the Republic into the occupied north followed by a gracious pailseyite/English offer to conduct a binding plebiscite. I think you are absolutely correct in saying that the laws regarding gay and lesbian equality are more advanced in England than in the Republic. The political leadership of the Republic is just as afraid of the roman cult as the English are of the crazed and demented paisleyites.(This is mainly a site for comment on GLBT questions, and where they impinge on other political questions it’s totally legitimate to raise them. I for instance, cringe at the very thought of using the term UK because I support the reunification of Ireland so I use England, Scotland, Wales, occupied Ireland instead. I absolutely don’t want to limit debate because many of these issues are inseparable but if we’re going to exchange ideas limited to Ireland and the occupied north maybe we could try doing it privately via e–mails. If you ever want to get in touch I’m at donal1944@msn.com) If you haven’t already done so you might want to take a look at the SF online paper at www.anphoblacht.com. Robert, ex pat Brit I don't have a clear idea of how things will unfold in the north. It was established at the insistence of colonists who threatened civil war in the 1920's. In 1940 Churchill offered to give it to the Republic in exchange for naval bases on Irish soil and entry into the war but the Republic refused. Colonists in the north sought to keep the Irish in a second class status, with lower pay and social services, ghettoization, etc, and routinely use terror, often egged on and backed up by English security, military, and police forces to stay on top. The grinding persistence of officially sanctioned second class treatment and occasion bursts or terror prompted the explosive regeneration the IRA in the 60’s and 70’s. The IRA became the self-defense force of the Irish and thousands enlisted under its banner. SF says the IRA stood down to force the English and the antiunion paisleyites to stand down but that hasn’t happened yet. SF is signatory to the agreement to reunite Ireland, but the racist and chauvinist paisleyites are adamantly opposed and will no doubt resume their killing spree if it comes close to fruition. Labour and the other English parties are terrified of taking a leadership role on this question or doing what ultimately has to be done, suppressing the antigay paisleyites. So at some point the Irish will have to step in and do just that. For now I’m clueless about when and how that’ll develop, but it’s exceedingly unlikely to be via a stealth mass immigration from the Republic into the occupied north followed by a gracious pailseyite/English offer to conduct a binding plebiscite. I think you are absolutely correct in saying that the laws regarding gay and lesbian equality are more advanced in England than in the Republic. The political leadership of the Republic is just as afraid of the roman cult as the English are of the crazed and demented paisleyites.(This is mainly a site for comment on GLBT questions, and where they impinge on other political questions it’s totally legitimate to raise them. I for instance, cringe at the very thought of using the term UK because I support the reunification of Ireland so I use England, Scotland, Wales, occupied Ireland instead. I absolutely don’t want to limit debate because many of these issues are inseparable but if we’re going to exchange ideas limited to Ireland and the occupied north maybe we could try doing it privately via e–mails. If you ever want to get in touch I’m at @msn.com">donal1944@msn.com) If you haven’t already done so you might want to take a look at the SF online paper at http://www.anphoblacht.com.

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]]> By: Robert, ex pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19280 Robert, ex pat Brit Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:27:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19280 Bill, there won't be an united Ireland unless an overhwhelming number of catholics outnumber protestants in the north and then only then in a referundum would unity be possible. Ditto for Scotland and Wales, nobody is stopping them from doing that.N. Ireland gays right now have more equality than any in the republic, not even civil partnerships yet but that will soon change I hope.Robert, ex-pat Brit. Bill, there won't be an united Ireland unless an overhwhelming number of catholics outnumber protestants in the north and then only then in a referundum would unity be possible. Ditto for Scotland and Wales, nobody is stopping them from doing that.N. Ireland gays right now have more equality than any in the republic, not even civil partnerships yet but that will soon change I hope.Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19281 Bill Perdue Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:26:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19281 "It is a small Pyrrhic victory for the Christian fundamentalist organisations that a very small part of the regulations that we are not convinced are actually needed..." said Mr. Summerskill." I think Mr. Summerskill is mistaken about these regulations. Obviously, they weren’t enacted because people believed they were they weren't important. If the regulations prevent discrimination they’re needed, and saying that victims of christian bigotry have the right to sue is not a remedy. They have to get legal counsel, pay for it, and be burdened by an unresolved issue of bigotry until it’s solved. And what if, Aine * forbid, they get a christian swine for a judge? Not pleasant. The burden shouldn’t be on people already coping with the effects of abuse from arrogant christian fanatics, i.e., stress related health and drug/alcohol problems, discrimination and harassment on the job and in schools, false arrest, or whatever. The burden should be on the christian bigots, and the penalties should be exemplary, substantive, and punishing, to prevent repetition. Gays and lesbians in the northern, occupied part of Ireland should consider joining and supporting SF, the socialist leaning party of Irish unity and independence. *Aine, Irish Goddess of love and fertility; AKA the Fairy Queen "It is a small Pyrrhic victory for the Christian fundamentalist organisations that a very small part of the regulations that we are not convinced are actually needed…" said Mr. Summerskill." I think Mr. Summerskill is mistaken about these regulations. Obviously, they weren’t enacted because people believed they were they weren't important. If the regulations prevent discrimination they’re needed, and saying that victims of christian bigotry have the right to sue is not a remedy. They have to get legal counsel, pay for it, and be burdened by an unresolved issue of bigotry until it’s solved. And what if, Aine * forbid, they get a christian swine for a judge? Not pleasant. The burden shouldn’t be on people already coping with the effects of abuse from arrogant christian fanatics, i.e., stress related health and drug/alcohol problems, discrimination and harassment on the job and in schools, false arrest, or whatever. The burden should be on the christian bigots, and the penalties should be exemplary, substantive, and punishing, to prevent repetition. Gays and lesbians in the northern, occupied part of Ireland should consider joining and supporting SF, the socialist leaning party of Irish unity and independence. *Aine, Irish Goddess of love and fertility; AKA the Fairy Queen

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]]> By: Robert, ex pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19282 Robert, ex pat Brit Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:12:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19282 Perky, we must hold our collective breath that in spite of a socalled pyrrhic victory in N. Ireland though that is arguable, I hope we don't see retaliation against the government for upholding the new equality law. I thing the bigots are just acting out because they know they are fast losing the cultural war, a dieing breed if you like. Good riddance to that!Robert, ex-pat Brit. Perky, we must hold our collective breath that in spite of a socalled pyrrhic victory in N. Ireland though that is arguable, I hope we don't see retaliation against the government for upholding the new equality law. I thing the bigots are just acting out because they know they are fast losing the cultural war, a dieing breed if you like. Good riddance to that!Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: Tom Forrest http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19283 Tom Forrest Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:12:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19283 We will overturn this ridiculous bill in Scotland next. We will overturn this ridiculous bill in Scotland next.

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]]> By: Robert, ex pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19284 Robert, ex pat Brit Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:08:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19284 Perky, a pyrrhic victory acquired its name in an allusion to King Pyrrhus of Epirus whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties when he defeated the Romans during the Pyrrhic War at Heraclea (in Greece) around 280 BC. He defeated them but with his losses were immeasurable. In other words, even though one is victorious, it can often be ruinous for the victor. Robert, ex-pat Brit. Perky, a pyrrhic victory acquired its name in an allusion to King Pyrrhus of Epirus whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties when he defeated the Romans during the Pyrrhic War at Heraclea (in Greece) around 280 BC. He defeated them but with his losses were immeasurable. In other words, even though one is victorious, it can often be ruinous for the victor. Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: perky http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19285 perky Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:58:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19285 what is a pyrrhic victory? what is a pyrrhic victory?

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]]> By: PinkNews http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19286 PinkNews Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:13:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19286 Yes, apologies for the mis-spelling. It has been corrected. Yes, apologies for the mis-spelling. It has been corrected.

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]]> By: Aodhán http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19287 Aodhán Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:08:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19287 I'd say that actually the Labour and Tory party haven't tried to conquer the bigots in Northern Ireland primarily because they have remarkably little influence there. Northern Irish politics are not Tory or Labour - they are DUP or Sinn Féin (now the other two parties are dying) - a person in Northern Ireland isn't even capable of joining the Labour Party! (Just as one has to be a resident of Ireland to join Sinn Féin).The LGBT individuals of Northern Ireland shall have to look to Sinn Féin to protect their identities and liberties, as they are the only party so far to have taken the cause seriously. I'd say that actually the Labour and Tory party haven't tried to conquer the bigots in Northern Ireland primarily because they have remarkably little influence there. Northern Irish politics are not Tory or Labour – they are DUP or Sinn Féin (now the other two parties are dying) – a person in Northern Ireland isn't even capable of joining the Labour Party! (Just as one has to be a resident of Ireland to join Sinn Féin).The LGBT individuals of Northern Ireland shall have to look to Sinn Féin to protect their identities and liberties, as they are the only party so far to have taken the cause seriously.

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]]> By: Robert W. Pierce http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19288 Robert W. Pierce Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:52:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19288 I notice that I only ever see the acronym "LGB" when referring to our community. Am I to assume that transsexual/gender people aren't accorded any rights or some semblance of equality? Here in the U.S., we always see it as LGBT and even LGBTQ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and sometimes Queer Thinking, hence the Q). Robert, ex-pat Brit. I notice that I only ever see the acronym "LGB" when referring to our community. Am I to assume that transsexual/gender people aren't accorded any rights or some semblance of equality? Here in the U.S., we always see it as LGBT and even LGBTQ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and sometimes Queer Thinking, hence the Q). Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: Robert W. Pierce http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19289 Robert W. Pierce Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:49:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19289 Pink News, you're in dire need of someone with a better command of the English language. Its "Pyrrhic" not phyrric, disgraceful that this was not checked before being posted.Michael, this is yet another case that civil partnerships with the supposed many rights of marriage are not working in spite of the equality laws in the delivery of goods and services. Had marriage been offered to us, it would have been a little harder for them to try to ignore the new law and discriminate. CPs are less than marriage so it gives the bigots some impetus to attempt to give the finger to the equality laws because they're definitely not equal.Chris, you're right too. Isn't it interesting that nobody in the Labour Government or Tory shadow government take the bigots to task in N. Ireland, not one. Brown should grow a pair of balls and so should Cameron, tell them that they'll suffer the consequences if they persist in violating the law of the land. If you ask me, its tacit support of bigotry by the London government and tories alike. They'll do nothing, say nothing because its not politically expedient right now. Like I've said in other posts, had this been a case or religious or racial bias, there would be public outcry, at least by Brown, Cameron and others. So transparent what its going on. Its nothing more than homophobia and bigotry.Robert, ex-pat Brit. Pink News, you're in dire need of someone with a better command of the English language. Its "Pyrrhic" not phyrric, disgraceful that this was not checked before being posted.Michael, this is yet another case that civil partnerships with the supposed many rights of marriage are not working in spite of the equality laws in the delivery of goods and services. Had marriage been offered to us, it would have been a little harder for them to try to ignore the new law and discriminate. CPs are less than marriage so it gives the bigots some impetus to attempt to give the finger to the equality laws because they're definitely not equal.Chris, you're right too. Isn't it interesting that nobody in the Labour Government or Tory shadow government take the bigots to task in N. Ireland, not one. Brown should grow a pair of balls and so should Cameron, tell them that they'll suffer the consequences if they persist in violating the law of the land. If you ask me, its tacit support of bigotry by the London government and tories alike. They'll do nothing, say nothing because its not politically expedient right now. Like I've said in other posts, had this been a case or religious or racial bias, there would be public outcry, at least by Brown, Cameron and others. So transparent what its going on. Its nothing more than homophobia and bigotry.Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: Michael R http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19290 Michael R Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19290 Its a complete U-turn on what, for a few months' was a silver lining for LGB people in that bigoted place.Someone told me that now the law has been passed by the house of lords, it can't be turned back. Well I questioned it then and it seems I was right to doubt it. Bigots in northern island won the right to be fascist once again, and the war goes on. Even the justice system points towards their way of thinking more then a moral sense. Its a complete U-turn on what, for a few months' was a silver lining for LGB people in that bigoted place.Someone told me that now the law has been passed by the house of lords, it can't be turned back. Well I questioned it then and it seems I was right to doubt it. Bigots in northern island won the right to be fascist once again, and the war goes on. Even the justice system points towards their way of thinking more then a moral sense.

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]]> By: apYrs http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19291 apYrs Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:51:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19291 so these "christians" can continue to make life hell for gay school kids while enjoying their freedom of speech.Of course come a beating, suicide or homicide they throw their hands up and say "nothing to do with us!"While this bigotry remains in the UK we need to fight it, especially as it can spread. so these "christians" can continue to make life hell for gay school kids while enjoying their freedom of speech.Of course come a beating, suicide or homicide they throw their hands up and say "nothing to do with us!"While this bigotry remains in the UK we need to fight it, especially as it can spread.

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]]> By: Chris Davies http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19292 Chris Davies Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:45:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19292 Further evidence of the bigot filth who hold sway in Northern Ireland...Christians?..they would not know the Lord Jesus Christ if he walked among them.BUT - never forget that this God-forsaken province of the UK costs the English taxpayer literally £billions a year because they have no economy at all..virtually all employment is in the public services not least the NHS.NHS Services to the Northern Irish are of a super-luxury standard that is denied to England Wales.But then if the money did not flow from Whitehall to Belfast then they would be blasting our towns and cities to pieces better than Al Quaida.The Presbyterians,the Orangemen and the rest of the hypocritical pseudo-Christian scum can no longer kick around the Catholics so they have turned the attention to making life hell for gay people.Let us all pray for some English parliamentarians with guts enough turn the money tap off.How lucky they are that the huge gay minority in the UK have yet to resort to the bullet and the bomb. Brown needs to effect some salutary sanction on these people....how about demolishing Stormont Palace? Further evidence of the bigot filth who hold sway in Northern Ireland…Christians?..they would not know the Lord Jesus Christ if he walked among them.BUT – never forget that this God-forsaken province of the UK costs the English taxpayer literally £billions a year because they have no economy at all..virtually all employment is in the public services not least the NHS.NHS Services to the Northern Irish are of a super-luxury standard that is denied to England Wales.But then if the money did not flow from Whitehall to Belfast then they would be blasting our towns and cities to pieces better than Al Quaida.The Presbyterians,the Orangemen and the rest of the hypocritical pseudo-Christian scum can no longer kick around the Catholics so they have turned the attention to making life hell for gay people.Let us all pray for some English parliamentarians with guts enough turn the money tap off.How lucky they are that the huge gay minority in the UK have yet to resort to the bullet and the bomb. Brown needs to effect some salutary sanction on these people….how about demolishing Stormont Palace?

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]]> By: jim jam http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19293 jim jam Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:29:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19293 i cant believe they won i cant believe they won

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]]> By: Roberto http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html/comment-page-1/#comment-19294 Roberto Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:26:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5422.html#comment-19294 So then, Northern Ireland can remain a Paradise for Homophobic Bigots! Business as usual then in the Province.Thank God I don't have to live there! So then, Northern Ireland can remain a Paradise for Homophobic Bigots! Business as usual then in the Province.Thank God I don't have to live there!

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