Comments on: Editorial: The Tories and PinkNews.co.uk http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:21:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Matt Blewett http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19036 Matt Blewett Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:44:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19036 Why are the pro-tories saying "forget twenty years ago"? Their policies were homophobic right up until they were kicked out of their smugness in 1997, that is only 11 years ago. I was hounded out of my school, I was harassed homophobically, and the police colluded with my abusers. All in 1997. Do not tell me to forget the eighties, the tories still have to apologise for the NINETIES too!You do not have to like Labour to despise the tories. Personally I think it would save a lot of time if we locked up every polictician as soon as they were elected. Why are the pro-tories saying "forget twenty years ago"? Their policies were homophobic right up until they were kicked out of their smugness in 1997, that is only 11 years ago. I was hounded out of my school, I was harassed homophobically, and the police colluded with my abusers. All in 1997. Do not tell me to forget the eighties, the tories still have to apologise for the NINETIES too!You do not have to like Labour to despise the tories. Personally I think it would save a lot of time if we locked up every polictician as soon as they were elected.

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]]> By: Jane http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19037 Jane Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:51:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19037 What percentage of respondents were too young to vote and what percentage were too young to remember life under the previous Tory government? What percentage of respondents were too young to vote and what percentage were too young to remember life under the previous Tory government?

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]]> By: John http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19038 John Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:14:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19038 I suppose a green squiggle is easier to draw than a Swastika. I suppose a green squiggle is easier to draw than a Swastika.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarance http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19039 Sister Mary Clarance Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:21:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19039 Just read back my last posting and to clarify, the 'here' in my last posting is not 'here - pinknews', but 'here - my local association' Just read back my last posting and to clarify, the 'here' in my last posting is not 'here – pinknews', but 'here – my local association'

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarance http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19040 Sister Mary Clarance Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:34:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19040 Gary - thank you for the feedback. I think no one main party is completely in the right, but I also think that no one main party is in the wrong.Labour embraced equality more quickly than the Conservatives without a doubt, but I am convinced that the Conservatives are embracing it now.The Conservative handling of Section 28 and the emerging HIV health crisis in the 80s was undoubtedly wrong, but we will never know (none of us) how Labour would have handled it. The politics of opposition is very strong, so one party will most often vote contrary to the other.Other current stories on pinknews, such as the Labour councillor currently being tried for the paedophilia smear and the deportation of the Iranian lesbian show that Labour are not always riding round on a white charger championing all things homosexual.I chose to join the Conservative party for reasons other than their policy on equality and attitudes towards homosexuality and I was surprised when I did by the numbers of gay people already involved.To me if every gay person in the country boycotts the Conservatives then change will be a much slower process. If anyone ways to support anything remotely anti-gay here they will have to argue the toss with me first. Hasn't thus far it hasn’t been an issue. Gary – thank you for the feedback. I think no one main party is completely in the right, but I also think that no one main party is in the wrong.Labour embraced equality more quickly than the Conservatives without a doubt, but I am convinced that the Conservatives are embracing it now.The Conservative handling of Section 28 and the emerging HIV health crisis in the 80s was undoubtedly wrong, but we will never know (none of us) how Labour would have handled it. The politics of opposition is very strong, so one party will most often vote contrary to the other.Other current stories on pinknews, such as the Labour councillor currently being tried for the paedophilia smear and the deportation of the Iranian lesbian show that Labour are not always riding round on a white charger championing all things homosexual.I chose to join the Conservative party for reasons other than their policy on equality and attitudes towards homosexuality and I was surprised when I did by the numbers of gay people already involved.To me if every gay person in the country boycotts the Conservatives then change will be a much slower process. If anyone ways to support anything remotely anti-gay here they will have to argue the toss with me first. Hasn't thus far it hasn’t been an issue.

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]]> By: Gary http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19041 Gary Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:27:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19041 Thank you Sister Mary for the Peter Tatchell link. Makes me think twice about voting for Labour in the future. Up untill now I have felt some sort of commitment to Labout because of the "equality" they have given us. Even though I have found them increasingly frustrating with the war in Iraq and their continual money wasting via benefits and funding iresposible breeders I still felt I owed them my vote... maybe not anymore! Thank you Sister Mary for the Peter Tatchell link. Makes me think twice about voting for Labour in the future. Up untill now I have felt some sort of commitment to Labout because of the "equality" they have given us. Even though I have found them increasingly frustrating with the war in Iraq and their continual money wasting via benefits and funding iresposible breeders I still felt I owed them my vote… maybe not anymore!

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]]> By: Craig http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19042 Craig Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:17:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19042 That Mr Cameron might be sincere, and he might, is yet to be seen. The problem is that Cameron comes with lots of others, with statements like [insert most hateful/vulgar/moronic homophobic Tory comment here].With Labour still a little too friendly with the Bishop of Rome for my liking I think my vote goes to the Lib Dems... who probably should be advertising here, why are they not? That Mr Cameron might be sincere, and he might, is yet to be seen. The problem is that Cameron comes with lots of others, with statements like [insert most hateful/vulgar/moronic homophobic Tory comment here].With Labour still a little too friendly with the Bishop of Rome for my liking I think my vote goes to the Lib Dems… who probably should be advertising here, why are they not?

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]]> By: Robert, ex pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19043 Robert, ex pat Brit Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:17:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19043 If Cameron et al and his party are truly for equality, FULL equality, let him prove it by converting Civil Partnerships into marriage, then maybe I'll believe them. Face facts, we DON'T yet have equality, just some semblance of it, nothing more. We're still separate and unequal and certainly not inclusive.Robert, ex-pat Brit. If Cameron et al and his party are truly for equality, FULL equality, let him prove it by converting Civil Partnerships into marriage, then maybe I'll believe them. Face facts, we DON'T yet have equality, just some semblance of it, nothing more. We're still separate and unequal and certainly not inclusive.Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: Ciaran McMahon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19044 Ciaran McMahon Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:25:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19044 "So come join the winning team, we'll be in power quicker than you know it, for the better of us all"This line just sounds scary... Hitler. Berlin. 1939.Fuckin' hell! Lighten up there bit, Eddy! "So come join the winning team, we'll be in power quicker than you know it, for the better of us all"This line just sounds scary… Hitler. Berlin. 1939.Fuckin' hell! Lighten up there bit, Eddy!

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]]> By: Ciaran McMahon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19045 Ciaran McMahon Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:23:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19045 Is it my imagination, or do most gay conservative/Tory supporters (on this site at least) have similar uber-defensive traits that one would normally see exhibited by a "gay christian"? What's all that about? Is it my imagination, or do most gay conservative/Tory supporters (on this site at least) have similar uber-defensive traits that one would normally see exhibited by a "gay christian"? What's all that about?

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]]> By: eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19046 eddy Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:56:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19046 Oh Annie - do grow up - if you wish to take part in adult debate - try and lift yourself out of the tabloid mire of profanities and argue a point with dignity and focus. I am proud to be gay and a conservative and working hard to improve the lives of my fellow Londoners. The political world has moved on from your old NUS days of Tory = evil, anarchy = good - join the real world. The conservatives are leading the green crusade leaving the 3 other parties far behind, forget 20 years ago - Cameron is an inclusive leader who supports gay equality and has a bold vision for a safer, more cohesive and happier Britain. So come join the winning team, we'll be in power quicker than you know it, for the better of us all - gay and straight - you might even start enjoying life! Oh Annie – do grow up – if you wish to take part in adult debate – try and lift yourself out of the tabloid mire of profanities and argue a point with dignity and focus. I am proud to be gay and a conservative and working hard to improve the lives of my fellow Londoners. The political world has moved on from your old NUS days of Tory = evil, anarchy = good – join the real world. The conservatives are leading the green crusade leaving the 3 other parties far behind, forget 20 years ago – Cameron is an inclusive leader who supports gay equality and has a bold vision for a safer, more cohesive and happier Britain. So come join the winning team, we'll be in power quicker than you know it, for the better of us all – gay and straight – you might even start enjoying life!

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]]> By: Robert, ex pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19047 Robert, ex pat Brit Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:30:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19047 Nick, I have to agree with you. Odd how the mayor of London recently apologised for the country's terrible involvement in slavery to the new world, yet we were persecuted, thrown in jail just for having sex in the privacy of our own homes, careers ruined, some often taking their lives for fear of being blackmailed. Its a disgrace and we should be demanding an apology. What we've gained in equality is nothing compared to the suffering we underwent which was a form of fascism anyway. The Tories should be apologising for Section 28, most definitely.Robert, ex-pat Brit. Nick, I have to agree with you. Odd how the mayor of London recently apologised for the country's terrible involvement in slavery to the new world, yet we were persecuted, thrown in jail just for having sex in the privacy of our own homes, careers ruined, some often taking their lives for fear of being blackmailed. Its a disgrace and we should be demanding an apology. What we've gained in equality is nothing compared to the suffering we underwent which was a form of fascism anyway. The Tories should be apologising for Section 28, most definitely.Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: Nick Weeks http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19048 Nick Weeks Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19048 There are still a large number of us around who were very adversely affected by Section 28. I don't think that mutterings that the Conservatives have changed, followed by mutterings from other conservative that they haven't, are going to make them acceptable.A good start would be a full public formal apology for Section 28, from all current Shadow Cabinet Members, on behalf of the party. This would not make up for the numerous blighted lives ... but might at least suggest that the Tories wanted to move forward.I do not believe that PinkNews should have accepted the advert without such a public apology - in fact, it would have been nice if the first ad. in gay media had consisted of such an apology. There are still a large number of us around who were very adversely affected by Section 28. I don't think that mutterings that the Conservatives have changed, followed by mutterings from other conservative that they haven't, are going to make them acceptable.A good start would be a full public formal apology for Section 28, from all current Shadow Cabinet Members, on behalf of the party. This would not make up for the numerous blighted lives … but might at least suggest that the Tories wanted to move forward.I do not believe that PinkNews should have accepted the advert without such a public apology – in fact, it would have been nice if the first ad. in gay media had consisted of such an apology.

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]]> By: Annie http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19049 Annie Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:09:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19049 Eddy is talking shit. You only have to look at the Tory voting record to unveil the truth, or the front bench. Okay, many of the older members are dead or in the Lords but there are plenty of evil doers in the commons. I.D.S., Fox, Davies, Leigh.... for starters!You don't have to be a Socialist to spot a bunch of evil bastards lurking behind a flimsy leader.As for the advert, it did what it intended to do; it stirred up controversy and leaked over into the national papers - Pink News was used. Eddy is talking shit. You only have to look at the Tory voting record to unveil the truth, or the front bench. Okay, many of the older members are dead or in the Lords but there are plenty of evil doers in the commons. I.D.S., Fox, Davies, Leigh…. for starters!You don't have to be a Socialist to spot a bunch of evil bastards lurking behind a flimsy leader.As for the advert, it did what it intended to do; it stirred up controversy and leaked over into the national papers – Pink News was used.

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]]> By: eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19050 eddy Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:59:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19050 An advert for the Conservative Party on the pink news website is a welcome sign that the gay community is growing up at last. The rabid comments of dinosaurs still churning out the same tired, irelevent 1980's class-war politics are sad to see - the world has moved on leaving them stuck in this socialist-worker rut. But in our democracy they have every right to believe what they believe and to express their belief - just as the very large numbers of conservative supporting gay Britons do too. The Conservative party has changed enornmously since the '80's and is now an inclusive andprogressive force. Gay conservatives are making major contributions in government - occupying key roles in conservative administrations that run the majority of councils in this country. It is only a matter of time before we have an out gay conservative prime minister.Eddy An advert for the Conservative Party on the pink news website is a welcome sign that the gay community is growing up at last. The rabid comments of dinosaurs still churning out the same tired, irelevent 1980's class-war politics are sad to see – the world has moved on leaving them stuck in this socialist-worker rut. But in our democracy they have every right to believe what they believe and to express their belief – just as the very large numbers of conservative supporting gay Britons do too. The Conservative party has changed enornmously since the '80's and is now an inclusive andprogressive force. Gay conservatives are making major contributions in government – occupying key roles in conservative administrations that run the majority of councils in this country. It is only a matter of time before we have an out gay conservative prime minister.Eddy

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]]> By: Andy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19051 Andy Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:50:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19051 oh dear oh dear how disappointing! who needs rabidly mad christians ( no offense to those christians who are neither rabid nor mad!) attacking the gay community when we can insult each other so well. Rather disturbing. I have not and hopefully never will vote Tory. But to compare the conservative party to Nazis is absurd and offensive, and from Zeke - who makes much of being Jewish - particularly distressing. oh dear oh dear how disappointing! who needs rabidly mad christians ( no offense to those christians who are neither rabid nor mad!) attacking the gay community when we can insult each other so well. Rather disturbing. I have not and hopefully never will vote Tory. But to compare the conservative party to Nazis is absurd and offensive, and from Zeke – who makes much of being Jewish – particularly distressing.

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]]> By: Robert, ex pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19052 Robert, ex pat Brit Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:27:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19052 Sister Mary, yes, I agree. A huge amount of work still to be done. I try to be as effective and helpful as I can living on the other side of the pond by contacting MPs and sharing my views on what needs to be done. The EU in general is dragging its feet on equality issues. Only three countries of the 25 member states have full equality, its shameful and a disgrace. I will keep on fighting and so too must all of us in the LGBTQ community in the UK in particular, just hope nobody becomes complacent with the current status quo. The battle is far from over.Robert, ex-pat Brit. Sister Mary, yes, I agree. A huge amount of work still to be done. I try to be as effective and helpful as I can living on the other side of the pond by contacting MPs and sharing my views on what needs to be done. The EU in general is dragging its feet on equality issues. Only three countries of the 25 member states have full equality, its shameful and a disgrace. I will keep on fighting and so too must all of us in the LGBTQ community in the UK in particular, just hope nobody becomes complacent with the current status quo. The battle is far from over.Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: Robert, ex pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19053 Robert, ex pat Brit Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:23:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19053 Steven thank you, I will check that out. However, what I do know is that only three countries in Europe provide full equality, the UK isn't one of them, not yet but slowly getting there.Robert, ex-pat Brit. Steven thank you, I will check that out. However, what I do know is that only three countries in Europe provide full equality, the UK isn't one of them, not yet but slowly getting there.Robert, ex-pat Brit.

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]]> By: Marc http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19054 Marc Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:35:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19054 I hope any revenues raised from this insult are donated to a suitable charity. The Terrence Higgins Trust or The Albert Kennedy Trust perhaps. The Tories did untold damage to young people struggling with their sexuality (which led to suicide in a number of cases) and to people with HIV/AIDS. They won't say sorry but at least let their money (which is the only thing they do care about) go to a good cause.End this insult now! I hope any revenues raised from this insult are donated to a suitable charity. The Terrence Higgins Trust or The Albert Kennedy Trust perhaps. The Tories did untold damage to young people struggling with their sexuality (which led to suicide in a number of cases) and to people with HIV/AIDS. They won't say sorry but at least let their money (which is the only thing they do care about) go to a good cause.End this insult now!

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]]> By: Bobby http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html/comment-page-2/#comment-19055 Bobby Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:05:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5384.html#comment-19055 "The tories sure have my vote!"That's no surprise when you see the other comment by the same person, "Oh and screw the Jewish people". Outstanding.And people who vote Tory aren't racist. Of course they aren't. "The tories sure have my vote!"That's no surprise when you see the other comment by the same person, "Oh and screw the Jewish people". Outstanding.And people who vote Tory aren't racist. Of course they aren't.

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