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Comments on: 'I hope I come back as gay' http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:56:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: TJNebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9271 TJNebraska Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:38:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9271 Then we agree, we don't wish anyone any harm.Take care, John Anonymous!TJ Then we agree, we don't wish anyone any harm.Take care, John Anonymous!TJ

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9272 Anonymous Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:05:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9272 TJ wrote:"isn't worthy of taking up space on the same planet as all the precious life upon it."This again demonstrates the upside down perversity of the views espoused vy your organisation. There is nothing compassionate wishing others such a fate.In Nichiren Shoshu we pity those who have fallen prey to the Gakkai's brainwashing techniques but we would never think -never minding voice- an opinion such as the above one.We dot not wish to see anything bad to happen to SGI members.But we wish to warn any prospective SGI members to think hard before joining a group which thrives on such hate and negativity and outright paranoia.I do not care if SGI exists or not - that is entirely their pwn business. I do care about their invention of not only the history of their orginal parent sect but also of their own history. Ikeda has elevated himself along with his masters into something they were never meant to be. Mr Toda would be aghast to see what took place.Even the relationship between Toda and Ikeda has been transformed into something else altogether from what it was. There were others who enjoyes just as close a relationship with Toda and perhaps even closer but after Toda's passing away and Ikeda pushing himself to the forefront driven by his huge ego the others were written off the pages of hostory. Recall Mr Ishida and how he was even removed from any photographic records of the early Gakkai.When this organisation (Gakkai) is so willing to change the story of its own history why would any sensible person believe a word of any history about Nichiren Shoshu as touted by the Gakkai presently. It is all a great mish mash of inventions and wishful thinkings which bear very little resemblance to what had actually taken place in the past. to be continued. TJ wrote:"isn't worthy of taking up space on the same planet as all the precious life upon it."This again demonstrates the upside down perversity of the views espoused vy your organisation. There is nothing compassionate wishing others such a fate.In Nichiren Shoshu we pity those who have fallen prey to the Gakkai's brainwashing techniques but we would never think -never minding voice- an opinion such as the above one.We dot not wish to see anything bad to happen to SGI members.But we wish to warn any prospective SGI members to think hard before joining a group which thrives on such hate and negativity and outright paranoia.I do not care if SGI exists or not – that is entirely their pwn business. I do care about their invention of not only the history of their orginal parent sect but also of their own history. Ikeda has elevated himself along with his masters into something they were never meant to be. Mr Toda would be aghast to see what took place.Even the relationship between Toda and Ikeda has been transformed into something else altogether from what it was. There were others who enjoyes just as close a relationship with Toda and perhaps even closer but after Toda's passing away and Ikeda pushing himself to the forefront driven by his huge ego the others were written off the pages of hostory. Recall Mr Ishida and how he was even removed from any photographic records of the early Gakkai.When this organisation (Gakkai) is so willing to change the story of its own history why would any sensible person believe a word of any history about Nichiren Shoshu as touted by the Gakkai presently. It is all a great mish mash of inventions and wishful thinkings which bear very little resemblance to what had actually taken place in the past. to be continued.

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]]> By: TJNebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9273 TJNebraska Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:14:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9273 John,You poor guy. President Ikeda's stance is compassionate. Do you realize that you're attempting to criticize the Soka Gakkai International and President Ikeda for things that you do? Do you realize this is completely obvious to the reader and that you have lost your credibility?You criticize the Gakkai for campaigning against an organization like the NST, but then you demonstrate your correctness by campaigning against (but not dialoguing, or debating with) it? I think there's a pretty good chance the objective observer will trace the SGI history to its origins and find out why we stand against it.You're accusing us of doing what you demonstrate you will do without a moment's hesitation.This is what it means to hold perversity in your heart.For the record, some of what you have printed, under the name of 'Anonymous' is true, but you continue to undermine your credibility with alarmism, closed-mindedness, doublespeak, alarmism as subterfuge, ad hominem, fanaticism, paranoid allusions with quotation marks....On this site, you continue to prove exactly our point, that an organization like the NST, with advocates like you, is corrupt, and it isn't worthy of taking up space on the same planet as all the precious life upon it.You, however, do deserve to take up space on this planet, but your perversity has to go.Tell me, John, or Anonymous, (I'll address you both as the same individual because you're indistinguishable), what do you do, outside of being alarmist, for world peace?Name something that you do that's really great on an epic scale, or even great for your neighborhood at home.TJ John,You poor guy. President Ikeda's stance is compassionate. Do you realize that you're attempting to criticize the Soka Gakkai International and President Ikeda for things that you do? Do you realize this is completely obvious to the reader and that you have lost your credibility?You criticize the Gakkai for campaigning against an organization like the NST, but then you demonstrate your correctness by campaigning against (but not dialoguing, or debating with) it? I think there's a pretty good chance the objective observer will trace the SGI history to its origins and find out why we stand against it.You're accusing us of doing what you demonstrate you will do without a moment's hesitation.This is what it means to hold perversity in your heart.For the record, some of what you have printed, under the name of 'Anonymous' is true, but you continue to undermine your credibility with alarmism, closed-mindedness, doublespeak, alarmism as subterfuge, ad hominem, fanaticism, paranoid allusions with quotation marks….On this site, you continue to prove exactly our point, that an organization like the NST, with advocates like you, is corrupt, and it isn't worthy of taking up space on the same planet as all the precious life upon it.You, however, do deserve to take up space on this planet, but your perversity has to go.Tell me, John, or Anonymous, (I'll address you both as the same individual because you're indistinguishable), what do you do, outside of being alarmist, for world peace?Name something that you do that's really great on an epic scale, or even great for your neighborhood at home.TJ

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9274 Anonymous Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:28:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9274 a "lovely" and "heartwarming" excerpt from Ikeda poetry.It shows his compassionate stance toward others.(It is a direct attack on Nichiren Shoshu as usual) eventhough his claims (as usual) are not based on anything but being sore about having been kicked out of Nichiren Shoshu:"They who areAt times frenzied,At times coldly silent,At times filled with excuses,Will eventually depart this world,Gasping and trembling in fear.Backsliders in faith!Are you satisfiedTo lead a lifeTrapped in a mazeOf hellish depths?Slanderers of the Law!Having corrupted the Daishonin's teachings And veered from the eternaltruth,Are you preparedTo drift along forever in a state of life Of agonized defeat?Traitors!Having turned your backsOn the Daishonin's golden words,Are you readyTo be burned in the firesOf the hell of incessant suffering?To be imprisoned in a cavernIn the hell of extreme cold?To be shut off in the darknessOf misery and strife,Forever deprived of the sun's light? "Charmed - I'm sure. a "lovely" and "heartwarming" excerpt from Ikeda poetry.It shows his compassionate stance toward others.(It is a direct attack on Nichiren Shoshu as usual) eventhough his claims (as usual) are not based on anything but being sore about having been kicked out of Nichiren Shoshu:"They who areAt times frenzied,At times coldly silent,At times filled with excuses,Will eventually depart this world,Gasping and trembling in fear.Backsliders in faith!Are you satisfiedTo lead a lifeTrapped in a mazeOf hellish depths?Slanderers of the Law!Having corrupted the Daishonin's teachings And veered from the eternaltruth,Are you preparedTo drift along forever in a state of life Of agonized defeat?Traitors!Having turned your backsOn the Daishonin's golden words,Are you readyTo be burned in the firesOf the hell of incessant suffering?To be imprisoned in a cavernIn the hell of extreme cold?To be shut off in the darknessOf misery and strife,Forever deprived of the sun's light? "Charmed – I'm sure.

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9275 Anonymous Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:43:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9275 It is extremely amusing for me to read all of these rebuttals of you two. Both quote people who are in close relations with SGI.(Wickramamagshinge - please...).Robert's post quotes someone related to the Boston Research Center about which I posted earlier.Robert loves to claim these links etc I posted are lies but does not go into any specifics. Which bits are lies? All of what I wrote?I apologise for sarcam etc here but your responses are funny and smack of extreme attempts at damage limitation.The facts are that your organisation is viewed by many as a dangerous cult.Your leader appears to the world as being a man of peace but does very little to actually change the world for the better as through donating books to university libraries and so on he seems more interested in getting thos honorary doctorates - which are a joke.It amuses me how so many of your members actually call him Dr Ikeda!Lets' talk about the eternal Master?The great author?The wonderful photographer?The Doctor?The person you liken (your sect) to Martin Luther King and Gandhi?Another fact for gay people. The SGI only changed its' policies against gay people after they were very publicly criticised for it and they had to do so because they were losing a large number of members in America because of it.Ask those gay ex-members in America who were there at the time not peole such as Robert who has never been a member of Nichiren Shoshu in the first place.Richard Causton who was the leader of SGI in UK had told the gays "never in my lifetime" and sure enough soon as he was dead (from cancer - as mysteriously were most of their top level leaders) they were able to form their little club.If this seem harsh and unfair it is only because those same people were extremely active in stopping Nichiren Shoshu while calling it "cancer".The gay issue is not important to me personally. I could not care less. Those SGI groups are just silly. But it is ridiculous for a meber of SGI to talk about their practise as if all are welcome when in reallity this is a different matter. Just visit Japan and you will find out.They are only courting you to keep the numbers up and growing - not out of It is extremely amusing for me to read all of these rebuttals of you two. Both quote people who are in close relations with SGI.(Wickramamagshinge – please…).Robert's post quotes someone related to the Boston Research Center about which I posted earlier.Robert loves to claim these links etc I posted are lies but does not go into any specifics. Which bits are lies? All of what I wrote?I apologise for sarcam etc here but your responses are funny and smack of extreme attempts at damage limitation.The facts are that your organisation is viewed by many as a dangerous cult.Your leader appears to the world as being a man of peace but does very little to actually change the world for the better as through donating books to university libraries and so on he seems more interested in getting thos honorary doctorates – which are a joke.It amuses me how so many of your members actually call him Dr Ikeda!Lets' talk about the eternal Master?The great author?The wonderful photographer?The Doctor?The person you liken (your sect) to Martin Luther King and Gandhi?Another fact for gay people. The SGI only changed its' policies against gay people after they were very publicly criticised for it and they had to do so because they were losing a large number of members in America because of it.Ask those gay ex-members in America who were there at the time not peole such as Robert who has never been a member of Nichiren Shoshu in the first place.Richard Causton who was the leader of SGI in UK had told the gays "never in my lifetime" and sure enough soon as he was dead (from cancer – as mysteriously were most of their top level leaders) they were able to form their little club.If this seem harsh and unfair it is only because those same people were extremely active in stopping Nichiren Shoshu while calling it "cancer".The gay issue is not important to me personally. I could not care less. Those SGI groups are just silly. But it is ridiculous for a meber of SGI to talk about their practise as if all are welcome when in reallity this is a different matter. Just visit Japan and you will find out.They are only courting you to keep the numbers up and growing – not out of

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]]> By: Robert Brown http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9276 Robert Brown Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:28:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9276 TJMany thanks for your comments. I can see that 'anonymous' is certainly someone who likes to portray and spread lies like there it's confetti and not caring about where it lands or who it sticks to.As you can also see from the interview with Richard Seagar:There is a in-depth interview with Richard Seager, the author of"Encountering the Dharma: Daisaku Ikeda, Soka Gakkai, and BuddhistHumanism", at the Boston Research Center web site.It reminded me of why I liked the book so much. Below is the firstexchange between Patti Marxsen of the BRC and Richard Seager;"PM: You approached this assignment with what we might think of as a"typically cynical" stance of a post-modern intellectual. What is thesource of that cynical outlook that seems so commonplace in our worldtoday? Is it an intellectual stance, or is it something else?"RS: I think it is something broader than a postmodern intellectualstance and I think there are lots of reasons for it. Personally, Iengage with things like how we seem to live in a sound-bite culturewhere things are discussed in little snippets and our public discourseseems not to be able to hold two hard thoughts in its mind at the sametime. This culture forces people to hold simplistic positions onthings. In the book, there is a section where the narrator is remindedthat there are good reasons to be cynical and there, I think, he hason his mind how people were just so overenthusiastic about the marketboom in the Nineties when everything was rolling and then immediatelybecame very remorseful and engaged in lamentations when the marketcollapsed . This shifting back and forth on a superficial level is, Ithink, one very good reason to be generally cynical in our world today."You can see how this independent researcher has truly seen what the Soka Gakkai is all about.regardsRobertLondon TJMany thanks for your comments. I can see that 'anonymous' is certainly someone who likes to portray and spread lies like there it's confetti and not caring about where it lands or who it sticks to.As you can also see from the interview with Richard Seagar:There is a in-depth interview with Richard Seager, the author of"Encountering the Dharma: Daisaku Ikeda, Soka Gakkai, and BuddhistHumanism", at the Boston Research Center web site.It reminded me of why I liked the book so much. Below is the firstexchange between Patti Marxsen of the BRC and Richard Seager;"PM: You approached this assignment with what we might think of as a"typically cynical" stance of a post-modern intellectual. What is thesource of that cynical outlook that seems so commonplace in our worldtoday? Is it an intellectual stance, or is it something else?"RS: I think it is something broader than a postmodern intellectualstance and I think there are lots of reasons for it. Personally, Iengage with things like how we seem to live in a sound-bite culturewhere things are discussed in little snippets and our public discourseseems not to be able to hold two hard thoughts in its mind at the sametime. This culture forces people to hold simplistic positions onthings. In the book, there is a section where the narrator is remindedthat there are good reasons to be cynical and there, I think, he hason his mind how people were just so overenthusiastic about the marketboom in the Nineties when everything was rolling and then immediatelybecame very remorseful and engaged in lamentations when the marketcollapsed . This shifting back and forth on a superficial level is, Ithink, one very good reason to be generally cynical in our world today."You can see how this independent researcher has truly seen what the Soka Gakkai is all about.regardsRobertLondon

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]]> By: tjnebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9277 tjnebraska Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:52:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9277 From Prof. N. C. Wickramasinghe: "This week’s BBC2 program “The Chanting Millions” began by recapping the events on the Tokyo subway, and proceeded to cast doubts on the legitimate activities of the Soka Gakkai, a highly respected and successful Buddhist organizations based in Japan, but with worldwide support. As a Buddhist (although not a member of Soka Gakkai) a friend of Soka Gakkai and a personal friend of its president Daisaku Ikeda, I found the comparison offensive in the extreme.The BBC2 program which made a subtle (even subliminal) connection between the Aum Sect and the Soka Gakkai must surely have caused offense to many millions of honest and devout Buddhists in many countries and in many walks of life. Buddhism in its pristine form is devoted to the ideals of self-knowledge, compassion, non-violence and non-belligerence, and I can vouch from my close knowledge of Soka Gakkai that this organization adheres strictly to these goals." From Prof. N. C. Wickramasinghe: "This week’s BBC2 program “The Chanting Millions” began by recapping the events on the Tokyo subway, and proceeded to cast doubts on the legitimate activities of the Soka Gakkai, a highly respected and successful Buddhist organizations based in Japan, but with worldwide support. As a Buddhist (although not a member of Soka Gakkai) a friend of Soka Gakkai and a personal friend of its president Daisaku Ikeda, I found the comparison offensive in the extreme.The BBC2 program which made a subtle (even subliminal) connection between the Aum Sect and the Soka Gakkai must surely have caused offense to many millions of honest and devout Buddhists in many countries and in many walks of life. Buddhism in its pristine form is devoted to the ideals of self-knowledge, compassion, non-violence and non-belligerence, and I can vouch from my close knowledge of Soka Gakkai that this organization adheres strictly to these goals."

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]]> By: tjnebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9278 tjnebraska Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:52:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9278 From Dr. Alfred Baltitzer of Claremont Mckenna College to the Director General of BBC: "I am distressed about a program that is scheduled to air on the BBC program “Assignment”, Saturday, October 14. My interest in the program results from an interview I did with Martin Smith and Julian Pettifer at the campus of Soka University of America on July 8, 1995 I asked [Krishman] Aurora whether the program would suggest a relationship or suggest similarities between the Aum Shinrikyo cult and the Soka Gakkai. After a pause, he told me that he could not answer the question which, of course, confirmed my suspicions. His pregnant pause was particularly distressing to me because at the time of my interview I was told by Pettifer in unambiguous terms that no relationship whatsoever would be insinuated. Had he told me that the program would portray a relationship, I would have refused the interview. To assert such a relationship or to assert similarities between the two groups demonstrates an appalling lack of knowledge about Japanese religions, especially about what sociologists of religion call “the new religions.” Even more, it demonstrates the complete failure to research and understand the difference between a “cult” and a legitimate religious organization. A few days after I spoke to Aurora, I received a copy of the advertisement for the program. It confirmed my worst fears, clearly proving to me that Smith and Pettifer violated their word to me. During my interview with them they stated that they would not treat or refer to the Soka Gakkai as a cult. Pettifer was particularly reassuring on this point. Yet the advertisement for the program reads: “But, as Julian Pettifer reports, Aum is a tiny cult compared to Soka Gakkai...” This clearly labels the Soka Gakkai as a cult. Again, had I known that Smith and Pettifer were going to refer to the Soka Gakkai as a cult, I would never have consented to be interviewed." From Dr. Alfred Baltitzer of Claremont Mckenna College to the Director General of BBC: "I am distressed about a program that is scheduled to air on the BBC program “Assignment”, Saturday, October 14. My interest in the program results from an interview I did with Martin Smith and Julian Pettifer at the campus of Soka University of America on July 8, 1995 I asked [Krishman] Aurora whether the program would suggest a relationship or suggest similarities between the Aum Shinrikyo cult and the Soka Gakkai. After a pause, he told me that he could not answer the question which, of course, confirmed my suspicions. His pregnant pause was particularly distressing to me because at the time of my interview I was told by Pettifer in unambiguous terms that no relationship whatsoever would be insinuated. Had he told me that the program would portray a relationship, I would have refused the interview. To assert such a relationship or to assert similarities between the two groups demonstrates an appalling lack of knowledge about Japanese religions, especially about what sociologists of religion call “the new religions.” Even more, it demonstrates the complete failure to research and understand the difference between a “cult” and a legitimate religious organization. A few days after I spoke to Aurora, I received a copy of the advertisement for the program. It confirmed my worst fears, clearly proving to me that Smith and Pettifer violated their word to me. During my interview with them they stated that they would not treat or refer to the Soka Gakkai as a cult. Pettifer was particularly reassuring on this point. Yet the advertisement for the program reads: “But, as Julian Pettifer reports, Aum is a tiny cult compared to Soka Gakkai…” This clearly labels the Soka Gakkai as a cult. Again, had I known that Smith and Pettifer were going to refer to the Soka Gakkai as a cult, I would never have consented to be interviewed."

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]]> By: tjnebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9279 tjnebraska Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:48:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9279 Dr. Bryan Wilson, Reader Emeritus in Sociology at University of Oxford, to The Times:"The BBC has this last week shown a seriously distorted documentary film purportedly reviewing the growth and activities of Soka Gakkai, a Japanese lay Buddhist movement. Since the BBC shrugs off complaints about misrepresentation, might I seek the hospitality of your columns to correct any false impressions which your readers may have gained from this program?"Since as a joint-author of an objective academic study of the British membership of Soka Gakkai, I am better acquainted with that movement than are the BBC’s producers, I think it my public duty to do what I can to correct the picture which a public service agency has so shamefully broadcast. The film sandwiched information about Soka Gakkai between shots of the tragic havoc of the poison gas attack on the Tokyo underground for which the Aum Shinrikyo sect was allegedly responsible. Since these two organizations have no remote connection with each other, one must conclude that the sole purpose of alluding to Aum Shinrikyo at all in this program was sheer sensationalism, no matter how much this might alarm and mislead the general public. Soka Gakkai members work vigorously for world peace, embrace ecological concerns, support refugee rehabilitation programs, and promote educational and cultural exchange. The program paid scant attention to all this, preferring the tendentious inclusion of material about Aum Shinrikyo, a movement apparently committed to the promotion of chaos and catastrophe. Allusion to this obscure and secretive organization was only the most flagrant instance of the general bias against Soka Gakkai which characterized the entire program, and was about as warranted as would have been a similar reference to the Jonestown People’s Temple in a program about the Methodist Church."From Dr. Alfred Baltitzer of Claremont Mckenna College to the Director General of BBC: "I am distressed about a program that is scheduled to air on the BBC program “Assignment”, Saturday, October 14. My interest in the program results from an interview I did with Martin Smith and Julian Pettifer at the campus of Soka University of America on July 8, 1995 I asked [Krishman] Aurora whether the program would suggest a relationship or suggest similarities between the Aum Shinrikyo cult and the Soka Gakkai. After a pause, he told me that he could not answer the question which, of course, confirmed my suspicions. His pregnant pause was particularly distressing to me because at the time of my interview I was told by Pettifer in unambiguous terms that no relationship whatsoever would be insinuated. Had he told me that the program would portray a relationship, I would have refused the interview. To assert such a relationship or to assert similarities between the two groups demonstrates an appalling lack of knowledge about Japanese religions, especially about what sociologists of religion call “the new relig Dr. Bryan Wilson, Reader Emeritus in Sociology at University of Oxford, to The Times:"The BBC has this last week shown a seriously distorted documentary film purportedly reviewing the growth and activities of Soka Gakkai, a Japanese lay Buddhist movement. Since the BBC shrugs off complaints about misrepresentation, might I seek the hospitality of your columns to correct any false impressions which your readers may have gained from this program?"Since as a joint-author of an objective academic study of the British membership of Soka Gakkai, I am better acquainted with that movement than are the BBC’s producers, I think it my public duty to do what I can to correct the picture which a public service agency has so shamefully broadcast. The film sandwiched information about Soka Gakkai between shots of the tragic havoc of the poison gas attack on the Tokyo underground for which the Aum Shinrikyo sect was allegedly responsible. Since these two organizations have no remote connection with each other, one must conclude that the sole purpose of alluding to Aum Shinrikyo at all in this program was sheer sensationalism, no matter how much this might alarm and mislead the general public. Soka Gakkai members work vigorously for world peace, embrace ecological concerns, support refugee rehabilitation programs, and promote educational and cultural exchange. The program paid scant attention to all this, preferring the tendentious inclusion of material about Aum Shinrikyo, a movement apparently committed to the promotion of chaos and catastrophe. Allusion to this obscure and secretive organization was only the most flagrant instance of the general bias against Soka Gakkai which characterized the entire program, and was about as warranted as would have been a similar reference to the Jonestown People’s Temple in a program about the Methodist Church."From Dr. Alfred Baltitzer of Claremont Mckenna College to the Director General of BBC: "I am distressed about a program that is scheduled to air on the BBC program “Assignment”, Saturday, October 14. My interest in the program results from an interview I did with Martin Smith and Julian Pettifer at the campus of Soka University of America on July 8, 1995 I asked [Krishman] Aurora whether the program would suggest a relationship or suggest similarities between the Aum Shinrikyo cult and the Soka Gakkai. After a pause, he told me that he could not answer the question which, of course, confirmed my suspicions. His pregnant pause was particularly distressing to me because at the time of my interview I was told by Pettifer in unambiguous terms that no relationship whatsoever would be insinuated. Had he told me that the program would portray a relationship, I would have refused the interview. To assert such a relationship or to assert similarities between the two groups demonstrates an appalling lack of knowledge about Japanese religions, especially about what sociologists of religion call “the new relig

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]]> By: tjnebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9280 tjnebraska Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9280 Like I said earlier, I think it's okay for Polly Toynbee to have her view of President Ikeda.Just because someone is a well-respected journalist, it doesn't mean they're enlightened.The SGI-UK didn't try to 'censor' or 'censure' the BBC for circulating "the Chanting Millions"--a story can't be censored once it's already come out, but we can object to its innaccuracies, it's lack of being 'fair and balanced' that the BBC usually strives to achieve, and issue rebuttals.Several world leaders, that are 'well-respected' wrote in with their disdain for the BBC broadcasting this story.Polly Toynbee doesn't have the corner market on opinions from 'well-respected' individuals.I'll do my best to post as many views from other dignitaries (many that sat down with President Ikeda in the same manner as Polly Toynbee) and had a different opinion.I'm trying to be polite to you, and the readers, because a Buddhist should care about these things, not to mention each other, and not write them off because they don't agree. I may severely criticize perversity, but I don't write off the person and quit talking to them. Remember the concept "Boddhisattva Never Disparaging?" We never give up on talking to someone, or write them off just because we think they're 'brainwashed'.Like I said in my chat room, I never said the word "lies" to you, Anonymous, so why are you rebutting to me that I did?Just because one person has an opinion, or even many people, doesn't mean it the correct one, or the only one. Both are valid and both can be brought to the table.TJ Like I said earlier, I think it's okay for Polly Toynbee to have her view of President Ikeda.Just because someone is a well-respected journalist, it doesn't mean they're enlightened.The SGI-UK didn't try to 'censor' or 'censure' the BBC for circulating "the Chanting Millions"–a story can't be censored once it's already come out, but we can object to its innaccuracies, it's lack of being 'fair and balanced' that the BBC usually strives to achieve, and issue rebuttals.Several world leaders, that are 'well-respected' wrote in with their disdain for the BBC broadcasting this story.Polly Toynbee doesn't have the corner market on opinions from 'well-respected' individuals.I'll do my best to post as many views from other dignitaries (many that sat down with President Ikeda in the same manner as Polly Toynbee) and had a different opinion.I'm trying to be polite to you, and the readers, because a Buddhist should care about these things, not to mention each other, and not write them off because they don't agree. I may severely criticize perversity, but I don't write off the person and quit talking to them. Remember the concept "Boddhisattva Never Disparaging?" We never give up on talking to someone, or write them off just because we think they're 'brainwashed'.Like I said in my chat room, I never said the word "lies" to you, Anonymous, so why are you rebutting to me that I did?Just because one person has an opinion, or even many people, doesn't mean it the correct one, or the only one. Both are valid and both can be brought to the table.TJ

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9281 Anonymous Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:15:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9281 TJI don't believe you are too much worrying about the bandwidth of the Pink Paper website with your request to "move the conversation" elsewhere.It seems to me more like damage limitation as you find it necessary to try and stop the general public from finding out about the controversial nature of your cult.I posted here solely to demonstrate as a free person how the world of Soka is possibly not as rosy as this article appears to portray. To warn others of its dangers. You can say "lies" as many times as you like but that will not make it true.You appear to think that people such as the highly respected journalist Polly Toynbee was lying in her experience of what a real life encounter with Ikeda is like.You make bizarre accusations about the Priesthood of Nichiren Shoshu which are based on highly emotive "soreness" which seem to come from the fact that you have been excommunicated.You had a choice. It is no-one else's but your own fault ( see basics of Buddhism).I feel sorry for you but have no interest in continuing conversation elsewhere as that is not serving my purpose of writing here.Endlessly arguing with Gakkai members is not something which fascinates me - however people who are not aware of what kind of a "peace loving" organisation yours is must be informed of its' true nature.There is no pleasure for me reporting the mad antics of Gakkai and Ikeda but reported they must be.If anything can change the Gakkai into a sane religious group it is their opening their eyes and seeing what they actually look like for the outside world. TJI don't believe you are too much worrying about the bandwidth of the Pink Paper website with your request to "move the conversation" elsewhere.It seems to me more like damage limitation as you find it necessary to try and stop the general public from finding out about the controversial nature of your cult.I posted here solely to demonstrate as a free person how the world of Soka is possibly not as rosy as this article appears to portray. To warn others of its dangers. You can say "lies" as many times as you like but that will not make it true.You appear to think that people such as the highly respected journalist Polly Toynbee was lying in her experience of what a real life encounter with Ikeda is like.You make bizarre accusations about the Priesthood of Nichiren Shoshu which are based on highly emotive "soreness" which seem to come from the fact that you have been excommunicated.You had a choice. It is no-one else's but your own fault ( see basics of Buddhism).I feel sorry for you but have no interest in continuing conversation elsewhere as that is not serving my purpose of writing here.Endlessly arguing with Gakkai members is not something which fascinates me – however people who are not aware of what kind of a "peace loving" organisation yours is must be informed of its' true nature.There is no pleasure for me reporting the mad antics of Gakkai and Ikeda but reported they must be.If anything can change the Gakkai into a sane religious group it is their opening their eyes and seeing what they actually look like for the outside world.

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]]> By: tjnebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9282 tjnebraska Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:03:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9282 Hey Anonymous,We are really having a breach of communication, to say the least. I am willing to hash out some kind of understanding with you.Anyone is welcome to write in, although I am just one person, and it's going to take a very long time to get to the bottom of things here, since we disagree so passionately.Thanks, Kevin. I'll see you in the Buddha plain. (Ninth Level of Conciousness)TJ Hey Anonymous,We are really having a breach of communication, to say the least. I am willing to hash out some kind of understanding with you.Anyone is welcome to write in, although I am just one person, and it's going to take a very long time to get to the bottom of things here, since we disagree so passionately.Thanks, Kevin. I'll see you in the Buddha plain. (Ninth Level of Conciousness)TJ

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]]> By: Kevin Vavasseur http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9283 Kevin Vavasseur Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:17:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9283 Thank you, TJ. Thank you, TJ.

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9284 Anonymous Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:29:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9284 TJThanks for the funny links.They do offer comic relief despite being so sad. The first article I looked demonstrated very clearly the tactics of bullying exercised by SGI against the Priests."On the evening of 9.11, about 40 youth visited Myosetsuji temple as Rev. Nagasaka was pulling his car into the drive way after coming home. The representatives approached Rev. Nagasaka to request to meet, while others held a large sign that read “We want to talk.”Rev. Nagasaka completely ignored the group of youth and the letter, which the representatives tried to present to him and he did not accept (see reverse side). After pulling his car inside of his property, Rev. Nagasaka closed the steel gate in front of the 40 youths, and drove away into the garage. He neither looked nor spoke even a single word. As he walked away, some youth shouted out “Why don’t you talk to us?” “Show us your compassion.”After this event, the youth knew that this was the reality of a Nichiren Shoshu priest. There is no way that he really cares about all the people. How can he call himself a disciple of Nichiren Daishonin?At the end of the day, the SGI-USA NY youth declared victory."It might seem reasonable to you for 40 fanatics to gang up on an elderly Priests but I find it outrageous.Why on earth would he talk to such people? The first key to any dialogue is the ability to listen. History has shown that Gakkai membership has no intention to listen. Only to destroy and attack.The premise of the story being that the Gakkai "youth" (most in their 30's) felt compelled to pay Rev Nagasaka a visit to correct his views i.e. deny him his basic humanright to have an opinion.It is this constant barrage of Gakkai to attempt to deny others basic humanrights and to silence any critics which is perhaps the most odious of all of its strange cult ways.The truth in this instance is clear for all to see and you present it with some kind of twisted priode on your own web pages.Perhaps these are the same people who returned in the middle of the night to steal a bag of rubbist of Rev Nagasaka and replace it with a similar looking bag which was filmed by the security cameras and has been published on the internet.Again what kind of a religion steals other people's rubbish and goes through it?I am sorry TJ. I can understand that because you have been so deeply brainwashed you do not see the madness of it all. The website link you posted elucidates that madness better than I ever could.That website is not just some single member with fanatical views posting their opinions but an official site of your organisation purely for the purpose of spreading hatred.It is pitiful.On the question of lies you repeatedly claim I am writing lies here. Could you please elucidate as to which part of my posts is a lie and why?Are Polly Toynbee's ( a highly respected political journalist in UK - writes for instance for the Guardian)impressions of meetig I TJThanks for the funny links.They do offer comic relief despite being so sad. The first article I looked demonstrated very clearly the tactics of bullying exercised by SGI against the Priests."On the evening of 9.11, about 40 youth visited Myosetsuji temple as Rev. Nagasaka was pulling his car into the drive way after coming home. The representatives approached Rev. Nagasaka to request to meet, while others held a large sign that read “We want to talk.”Rev. Nagasaka completely ignored the group of youth and the letter, which the representatives tried to present to him and he did not accept (see reverse side). After pulling his car inside of his property, Rev. Nagasaka closed the steel gate in front of the 40 youths, and drove away into the garage. He neither looked nor spoke even a single word. As he walked away, some youth shouted out “Why don’t you talk to us?” “Show us your compassion.”After this event, the youth knew that this was the reality of a Nichiren Shoshu priest. There is no way that he really cares about all the people. How can he call himself a disciple of Nichiren Daishonin?At the end of the day, the SGI-USA NY youth declared victory."It might seem reasonable to you for 40 fanatics to gang up on an elderly Priests but I find it outrageous.Why on earth would he talk to such people? The first key to any dialogue is the ability to listen. History has shown that Gakkai membership has no intention to listen. Only to destroy and attack.The premise of the story being that the Gakkai "youth" (most in their 30's) felt compelled to pay Rev Nagasaka a visit to correct his views i.e. deny him his basic humanright to have an opinion.It is this constant barrage of Gakkai to attempt to deny others basic humanrights and to silence any critics which is perhaps the most odious of all of its strange cult ways.The truth in this instance is clear for all to see and you present it with some kind of twisted priode on your own web pages.Perhaps these are the same people who returned in the middle of the night to steal a bag of rubbist of Rev Nagasaka and replace it with a similar looking bag which was filmed by the security cameras and has been published on the internet.Again what kind of a religion steals other people's rubbish and goes through it?I am sorry TJ. I can understand that because you have been so deeply brainwashed you do not see the madness of it all. The website link you posted elucidates that madness better than I ever could.That website is not just some single member with fanatical views posting their opinions but an official site of your organisation purely for the purpose of spreading hatred.It is pitiful.On the question of lies you repeatedly claim I am writing lies here. Could you please elucidate as to which part of my posts is a lie and why?Are Polly Toynbee's ( a highly respected political journalist in UK – writes for instance for the Guardian)impressions of meetig I

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]]> By: tjnebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9285 tjnebraska Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:05:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9285 John, People will interact with the SGI and they won't be deterred by your doublespeak. They will find out if we are a 'cult' or not. After meeting SGI members, it will be obvious within a week as to if your claims are true to the objective observer, or not. andThe 'Allegations Disproved' link will make it clear what we are defending ourselves against and why we have to stop it.Thank you for making me more determined to be a good person. John, People will interact with the SGI and they won't be deterred by your doublespeak. They will find out if we are a 'cult' or not. After meeting SGI members, it will be obvious within a week as to if your claims are true to the objective observer, or not. andThe 'Allegations Disproved' link will make it clear what we are defending ourselves against and why we have to stop it.Thank you for making me more determined to be a good person.

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]]> By: John Turner http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9286 John Turner Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:13:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9286 continued from previous:"Sensei sent Mr. Kitano to Ghana with these words: "When you start tofight evil, you have to continue to the end. You cannot stop halfway.Fight with all your strength, with all your might and use All means forthat fight". "Nice talk? continued from previous:"Sensei sent Mr. Kitano to Ghana with these words: "When you start tofight evil, you have to continue to the end. You cannot stop halfway.Fight with all your strength, with all your might and use All means forthat fight". "Nice talk?

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]]> By: John Turner http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9287 John Turner Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:11:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9287 RobertNichiren Shoshu members are not "following you around the forums". But as you go and publicly promote a religion of sorts which can be viewed as being a dangerous cult then some have to speak.If members of your group only kept to criticising the Nichiren Shoshu on internet forums then they would have all the right to do so. I would not agree with them but they have that right.But what the Gakkai members do is something far more sinister. With the encouragement of their leaders they spy on Nichiren Shoshu priesthood and layity. The underhand tactics have been very well reported. Is there any other religion where it's adherents turn up at airports to try and harass members and Priests of an organisation they do not even wish to belong to?Is there any other organisation where people track down the movements of other sects Priests to the minutest details?Is there any other organisation who preaches hatred to the extent as the Soka Gakkai does?Is there any other Buddhist group who so actively whips up hatred amongst its members against other humanbeings?Some quotes from a SGI memo on SGI European Summit on 20/21-l2-1997(from Peter Kuhn leader of SGI Germany):"Initially and especially we should be "pro-active", in other words, beinformed of all the movements of the Nikken sect and apply a practicalsystem of "counter-action". As you have already been informed, the SGIStrategy Dept. has been founded at the SGI-Head Office. In the past,the movements of the Nikken sect have been carefully monitored outsideof Japan and in conjunction with the Bureau of the European Continent,counter- activities were instigated. Moreover, the Strategic Departmenthas been provided to strengthen this system. "and"Thirdly, we should establish a fighting spirit throughout the entireSGI organization. There have been various activities led by theStrategy Dept. such as the campaign to win back members. As to thefight against the Nikken sect, the members in the front line -especially in the Women's Division - are aware of importantinformation, i.e., the movements of the sect and their methods ofconvincing people. But, if we don't have a fighting spirit that isstrong enough, this information will not reach those responsible on thenext highest level. Or, they receive the information but neglect topass it on to the next highest level of responsibility. Furthermore, incountries which have strong Danto members, the speed and flexibility ofespecially the Youth Dept. is of paramount importance. It is especiallyimportant that all four Divisions have discussions together. Forexample, hold meetings and listen to the opinions of the Women's andYouth Divisions because only in that way can we gain the security, (orassurance), that the whole organization will be filled with thefighting spirit against the Nikken sect. "and"Sensei sent Mr. Kitano to Ghana with these words: "When you start RobertNichiren Shoshu members are not "following you around the forums". But as you go and publicly promote a religion of sorts which can be viewed as being a dangerous cult then some have to speak.If members of your group only kept to criticising the Nichiren Shoshu on internet forums then they would have all the right to do so. I would not agree with them but they have that right.But what the Gakkai members do is something far more sinister. With the encouragement of their leaders they spy on Nichiren Shoshu priesthood and layity. The underhand tactics have been very well reported. Is there any other religion where it's adherents turn up at airports to try and harass members and Priests of an organisation they do not even wish to belong to?Is there any other organisation where people track down the movements of other sects Priests to the minutest details?Is there any other organisation who preaches hatred to the extent as the Soka Gakkai does?Is there any other Buddhist group who so actively whips up hatred amongst its members against other humanbeings?Some quotes from a SGI memo on SGI European Summit on 20/21-l2-1997(from Peter Kuhn leader of SGI Germany):"Initially and especially we should be "pro-active", in other words, beinformed of all the movements of the Nikken sect and apply a practicalsystem of "counter-action". As you have already been informed, the SGIStrategy Dept. has been founded at the SGI-Head Office. In the past,the movements of the Nikken sect have been carefully monitored outsideof Japan and in conjunction with the Bureau of the European Continent,counter- activities were instigated. Moreover, the Strategic Departmenthas been provided to strengthen this system. "and"Thirdly, we should establish a fighting spirit throughout the entireSGI organization. There have been various activities led by theStrategy Dept. such as the campaign to win back members. As to thefight against the Nikken sect, the members in the front line -especially in the Women's Division – are aware of importantinformation, i.e., the movements of the sect and their methods ofconvincing people. But, if we don't have a fighting spirit that isstrong enough, this information will not reach those responsible on thenext highest level. Or, they receive the information but neglect topass it on to the next highest level of responsibility. Furthermore, incountries which have strong Danto members, the speed and flexibility ofespecially the Youth Dept. is of paramount importance. It is especiallyimportant that all four Divisions have discussions together. Forexample, hold meetings and listen to the opinions of the Women's andYouth Divisions because only in that way can we gain the security, (orassurance), that the whole organization will be filled with thefighting spirit against the Nikken sect. "and"Sensei sent Mr. Kitano to Ghana with these words: "When you start

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]]> By: Robert Brown http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9288 Robert Brown Sat, 09 Dec 2006 06:57:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9288 Hi AnonymousShame you're not able to actually identify yourself when spewing hate and lies - but then again, I don't really expect anything different from members of Nichiren Shoshu.It's the same whenever I post something positive about Nichiren Buddhism anywhere on the internet - I usually find that members of NST follow my posts and then post something of hate and full of lies. I'm used to it by now, however I would have thought that you would have something better to do, like chant to improve your life condition, chant to more your life forward, or indeed just live life to the fullest.These are things that I do and people can see that from the way I and my partner live our lives.I had to laugh though that you would take such a 'special' view on someone's manicured fingers - are you now saying that we shouldn't look good? If you were being filmed, wouldn't you look good? Anyway, as said, you'll continue to post hatred and lies if I continue to respond, so will stop now as I know that not all Nichiren Shoshu members are filled with such hate as yourself - I know, I work with one and she's very nice. We swap magazines and I have the last couple of Nichiren Shoshu Newsletters (NSHUK) and she has the last few editions of the Art of Living (SGI-UK).Also, today we have our annual intro to Buddhism seminar, this year titled 'Living True to Yourself', aimed at the LGBT Community.cheersRobertLondon Hi AnonymousShame you're not able to actually identify yourself when spewing hate and lies – but then again, I don't really expect anything different from members of Nichiren Shoshu.It's the same whenever I post something positive about Nichiren Buddhism anywhere on the internet – I usually find that members of NST follow my posts and then post something of hate and full of lies. I'm used to it by now, however I would have thought that you would have something better to do, like chant to improve your life condition, chant to more your life forward, or indeed just live life to the fullest.These are things that I do and people can see that from the way I and my partner live our lives.I had to laugh though that you would take such a 'special' view on someone's manicured fingers – are you now saying that we shouldn't look good? If you were being filmed, wouldn't you look good? Anyway, as said, you'll continue to post hatred and lies if I continue to respond, so will stop now as I know that not all Nichiren Shoshu members are filled with such hate as yourself – I know, I work with one and she's very nice. We swap magazines and I have the last couple of Nichiren Shoshu Newsletters (NSHUK) and she has the last few editions of the Art of Living (SGI-UK).Also, today we have our annual intro to Buddhism seminar, this year titled 'Living True to Yourself', aimed at the LGBT Community.cheersRobertLondon

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]]> By: Robert Brown http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9289 Robert Brown Sat, 09 Dec 2006 06:44:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9289 JohnAs per usual, and am sure you are well aware, this is very misleading indeed:"As for the gay issue it is true that it was taught in the Gakkai in the past that you should chant to become straight. Thus for instance several of the highest level leaders of SGIUK who used to be gay are now happily married heterosexuals.When SGI's anti gay stance began to gain some publicity outside their own group they miraculously saw the evil of their ways and now are strongly supportive of their gay members. (See Ikeda's sugary messages to his gay followers).They could not afford to do othwerwise.Needless to say those gay top leaders remain staunch heterosexuals despite their past.This is an organisation with many skeletons in its cupboards.john turner | 12.08.06 - 2:40 pm"When Nichiren Buddhism first came over to the UK, and other countries outside of Japan, it was brought over by Japanese war brides. As such, and due to the climate of the country they were brought up in, they were unaware of homosexuality. As such, they gave advice which at best, was misleading, and at worst, an error of judgement - though certainly not homophobic.As more and more 'westerners' began to chant, they were informed that their personal views were against the teachings of Nichiren Buddhism and that this advice was wrong.As to whether or not senior leaders of SGI-UK are 'now straight' then you'll need to ask them. I just happen to know many people who were gay, chanted to meet the right partner and it turned out to be someone of the opposite sex. I also know many others who were straight, who chanted to meet the right partner and it turned out to be someone of the same sex. You are not in a position to judge anyone for the choices they have made in their life - no-one is.And please remember that these 'former' days that you are on about - don't forget it was when we were called NSUK - I should know, I still have my membership badge, and we were under the direction of the Priesthood at the time.cheersRobertLondon JohnAs per usual, and am sure you are well aware, this is very misleading indeed:"As for the gay issue it is true that it was taught in the Gakkai in the past that you should chant to become straight. Thus for instance several of the highest level leaders of SGIUK who used to be gay are now happily married heterosexuals.When SGI's anti gay stance began to gain some publicity outside their own group they miraculously saw the evil of their ways and now are strongly supportive of their gay members. (See Ikeda's sugary messages to his gay followers).They could not afford to do othwerwise.Needless to say those gay top leaders remain staunch heterosexuals despite their past.This is an organisation with many skeletons in its cupboards.john turner | 12.08.06 – 2:40 pm"When Nichiren Buddhism first came over to the UK, and other countries outside of Japan, it was brought over by Japanese war brides. As such, and due to the climate of the country they were brought up in, they were unaware of homosexuality. As such, they gave advice which at best, was misleading, and at worst, an error of judgement – though certainly not homophobic.As more and more 'westerners' began to chant, they were informed that their personal views were against the teachings of Nichiren Buddhism and that this advice was wrong.As to whether or not senior leaders of SGI-UK are 'now straight' then you'll need to ask them. I just happen to know many people who were gay, chanted to meet the right partner and it turned out to be someone of the opposite sex. I also know many others who were straight, who chanted to meet the right partner and it turned out to be someone of the same sex. You are not in a position to judge anyone for the choices they have made in their life – no-one is.And please remember that these 'former' days that you are on about – don't forget it was when we were called NSUK – I should know, I still have my membership badge, and we were under the direction of the Priesthood at the time.cheersRobertLondon

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]]> By: tjnebraska http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html/comment-page-1/#comment-9290 tjnebraska Sat, 09 Dec 2006 00:08:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3159.html#comment-9290 Hi Anonymous,I created a chat group if you would like to continue this talk. I don't want to take anymore space on PinkNews.co.uk--I feel as though I'm treading on someone else's territory. If you're interested in my response, please check it out.I think it's great that you want to protect others from joining a cult. Cheers,TJ Hi Anonymous,I created a chat group if you would like to continue this talk. I don't want to take anymore space on PinkNews.co.uk–I feel as though I'm treading on someone else's territory. If you're interested in my response, please check it out.I think it's great that you want to protect others from joining a cult. Cheers,TJ

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