Comments on: New Jersey voters ponder gay union ruling http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:10:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Ciaran McMahon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8508 Ciaran McMahon Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:48:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8508 William, as a fellow Irishman I agree. Nothing more patriotic, or more stupidly misinformed in the ways of the old motherland, than an ex pat or a second generation immigrant. And Robert, does referring to me, a gay man, as being no better than "straight homophobes", make you feel superior or right somehow? I doubt it. What in fact it does is make you look like an idiot. Hell will freeze over before the day comes when I worry about the lame insults from a dried up and bitter old bitch like you. William, as a fellow Irishman I agree. Nothing more patriotic, or more stupidly misinformed in the ways of the old motherland, than an ex pat or a second generation immigrant. And Robert, does referring to me, a gay man, as being no better than "straight homophobes", make you feel superior or right somehow? I doubt it. What in fact it does is make you look like an idiot. Hell will freeze over before the day comes when I worry about the lame insults from a dried up and bitter old bitch like you.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8509 William - Dublin Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:02:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8509 As an Irishman, I love nothing more than to listen to the idiot yanks who this they have a claim to the “auld country” simply because their great grand-pappy knocked one off outside the bushes of an Irish immigrants house. And that supposed to make them Irish. As they sit in a dingy “Irish” bars wiping the tears away from the eyes because the “Fields Of Athenry” is playing on the juke box, and lamenting the Irish “struggle with the British”, when all the while they couldn’t pick out Ireland on a map. Yet these same fools put were the primary source of cash for the IRA so they could bomb the crap out of innocent people back in the EU, to “end the Irish oppression”. Perdue is one of these fools who thinks Wikipedia is the be all and end all of information of “the Irish solution”.Sister Mary, I can only assume that these Brit ex-pat yanks here know more about your life and your country because they suffer from the same delusional “auld country” crap.And we’ve talked about this before and we both always fall into the same trap:- we wrongly assume some of these people are capable of a logical argument. Ciaran is right, you can’t reason with some of these people, they’re mostly extremist who are either too old, too unstable, too angry to allow another point of view to exists. It makes you wonder how “strong” their arguments are when they can’t tolerate any discussion and resort to absolutely ridiculous slander like “conservative” and “hypocrite”. If these insults were even funny, that would be something at least. These are not normal people, as we cannot expect a normal reaction to a discussion. Thankfully most people, gay or straight, don’t have these extremist views. None that I have met at least. And our demented pal Bill is only short of strapping a pack of dynamite around his face and running down to the nearest Democrat rally with sketchy plan to end it all in a blaze of glory. And if he did, no loss to either of us, or the gay world, or even humanity.Unfortunately as you quite rightly said, most of the rational people I’ve had the pleasure of conversing with in here have left or got bored with these people who sound like a dog whistle got stuck down their throat and all they can do is shrill stupid insults like an aging drag queen. Even Luke, sound bloke he is, does not frequent as much, and who could blame him.Having said that, I’ll be damned that I will be quite because of the demands from a few drunken nuts on an internet site! Oh, and Bill, while you might like to think I am a “self loathing Conservative toadies” – and that’s super if it makes you one little bit happier than the sad pathetic fuck you really are – but the reality is that the only loathing I do is for intellectually retarded lairs and racists like you. Keep praying that that revolution will come, and I in turn will pray an retarded old twat like you contracts something to assist your speedily departure from your warped little life. You are the definition of a buffoon, Bill. As an Irishman, I love nothing more than to listen to the idiot yanks who this they have a claim to the “auld country” simply because their great grand-pappy knocked one off outside the bushes of an Irish immigrants house. And that supposed to make them Irish. As they sit in a dingy “Irish” bars wiping the tears away from the eyes because the “Fields Of Athenry” is playing on the juke box, and lamenting the Irish “struggle with the British”, when all the while they couldn’t pick out Ireland on a map. Yet these same fools put were the primary source of cash for the IRA so they could bomb the crap out of innocent people back in the EU, to “end the Irish oppression”. Perdue is one of these fools who thinks Wikipedia is the be all and end all of information of “the Irish solution”.Sister Mary, I can only assume that these Brit ex-pat yanks here know more about your life and your country because they suffer from the same delusional “auld country” crap.And we’ve talked about this before and we both always fall into the same trap:- we wrongly assume some of these people are capable of a logical argument. Ciaran is right, you can’t reason with some of these people, they’re mostly extremist who are either too old, too unstable, too angry to allow another point of view to exists. It makes you wonder how “strong” their arguments are when they can’t tolerate any discussion and resort to absolutely ridiculous slander like “conservative” and “hypocrite”. If these insults were even funny, that would be something at least. These are not normal people, as we cannot expect a normal reaction to a discussion. Thankfully most people, gay or straight, don’t have these extremist views. None that I have met at least. And our demented pal Bill is only short of strapping a pack of dynamite around his face and running down to the nearest Democrat rally with sketchy plan to end it all in a blaze of glory. And if he did, no loss to either of us, or the gay world, or even humanity.Unfortunately as you quite rightly said, most of the rational people I’ve had the pleasure of conversing with in here have left or got bored with these people who sound like a dog whistle got stuck down their throat and all they can do is shrill stupid insults like an aging drag queen. Even Luke, sound bloke he is, does not frequent as much, and who could blame him.Having said that, I’ll be damned that I will be quite because of the demands from a few drunken nuts on an internet site! Oh, and Bill, while you might like to think I am a “self loathing Conservative toadies” – and that’s super if it makes you one little bit happier than the sad pathetic fuck you really are – but the reality is that the only loathing I do is for intellectually retarded lairs and racists like you. Keep praying that that revolution will come, and I in turn will pray an retarded old twat like you contracts something to assist your speedily departure from your warped little life. You are the definition of a buffoon, Bill.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8510 Bill Perdue Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:02:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8510 AGAINST samesex marriage equality – Akinola, Bush, Cameron, Clinton, Huckabee, Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski, Mugabe, Paisley, Phelps, Putin, Ratzinger, the catholic, mormon and most protestant cults, various and sundry Grand Ayatollahs, the Conservative parties in England and Canada, the ‘Liberal” Party in Australia, the Republican and Democratic Parties in the US, and one or two self loathing Conservative toadies who masquerade as “homosexual gentlemen” and post at pinknews under a number of aliases. FOR samesex marriage equality: most GLBT folks, groups, activists and lots of those pesky outside agitators. AGAINST samesex marriage equality – Akinola, Bush, Cameron, Clinton, Huckabee, Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski, Mugabe, Paisley, Phelps, Putin, Ratzinger, the catholic, mormon and most protestant cults, various and sundry Grand Ayatollahs, the Conservative parties in England and Canada, the ‘Liberal” Party in Australia, the Republican and Democratic Parties in the US, and one or two self loathing Conservative toadies who masquerade as “homosexual gentlemen” and post at pinknews under a number of aliases. FOR samesex marriage equality: most GLBT folks, groups, activists and lots of those pesky outside agitators.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8511 Sister Mary Clarence Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:02:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8511 Oops – strangely confused you with Bill there for a moment Robert – no insult intended Oops – strangely confused you with Bill there for a moment Robert – no insult intended

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8512 Sister Mary Clarence Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:32:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8512 True to form you’ve missed the whole point again Bill, I was pointing out the residency issue, not the taxation issue, which only comes about as a result of the residency status. I couldn’t give a flying f**k about where you do or don’t pay taxes.You are NOT a UK resident, so I can only assume that when you are harping on about staying in your own country, you mean the States, because this my ex-pat friend is no longer your country.I really can’t keep up with you and your changing residency status though, but to reiterate your little rant at the start of the month:Zeke, I am a transplanted Brit living in the U.S. I feel exactly as you do. Whenever progressives such as you and I and others criticise what is wrong in either country, we are denigrated as too left wing and too liberal and unpatriotic. In other words, we don't love our country or countries because of it. They claim the moral high ground on just about everything. All they're interested in is lower taxes, accumulation of wealth and privatisation of just about everything that is decent in society, the things they take for granted and enjoy such as universal health care (in the UK), the military, law enforcement, fire brigade (department in the US),secondary (high school) and higher education, libraries....all forms of socialism that they enjoy. They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.Robert, ex-pat Brit | 02.06.08 - 1:18 pm |Clearly anyone with a view that differs to your is s**t on your shoe. What did we all do to deserve pompous, self-righteous little rant – merely state that we were in favour of civil partnerships over the term marriage.America is welcome to you and your small minded beliefs. I’m sure you’re fitting in very well. True to form you’ve missed the whole point again Bill, I was pointing out the residency issue, not the taxation issue, which only comes about as a result of the residency status. I couldn’t give a flying f**k about where you do or don’t pay taxes.You are NOT a UK resident, so I can only assume that when you are harping on about staying in your own country, you mean the States, because this my ex-pat friend is no longer your country.I really can’t keep up with you and your changing residency status though, but to reiterate your little rant at the start of the month:Zeke, I am a transplanted Brit living in the U.S. I feel exactly as you do. Whenever progressives such as you and I and others criticise what is wrong in either country, we are denigrated as too left wing and too liberal and unpatriotic. In other words, we don't love our country or countries because of it. They claim the moral high ground on just about everything. All they're interested in is lower taxes, accumulation of wealth and privatisation of just about everything that is decent in society, the things they take for granted and enjoy such as universal health care (in the UK), the military, law enforcement, fire brigade (department in the US),secondary (high school) and higher education, libraries….all forms of socialism that they enjoy. They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.Robert, ex-pat Brit | 02.06.08 – 1:18 pm |Clearly anyone with a view that differs to your is s**t on your shoe. What did we all do to deserve pompous, self-righteous little rant – merely state that we were in favour of civil partnerships over the term marriage.America is welcome to you and your small minded beliefs. I’m sure you’re fitting in very well.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8513 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:20:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8513 Ditto, back at you, SMC, blah, blah, blah!!! I know the rules on taxation, I don't need you to spell it out, your codescension is without precedent. I pay taxes because I own a joint business venture and as such, am subject to taxes regardless of how long I stay in my own country, so there! Again, you know NOTHING about me and mind your own business for a change, while you're at it. LIke I said, previously, I'm DONE with you and will place you on "ignore". Ditto, back at you, SMC, blah, blah, blah!!! I know the rules on taxation, I don't need you to spell it out, your codescension is without precedent. I pay taxes because I own a joint business venture and as such, am subject to taxes regardless of how long I stay in my own country, so there! Again, you know NOTHING about me and mind your own business for a change, while you're at it. LIke I said, previously, I'm DONE with you and will place you on "ignore".

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8514 Sister Mary Clarence Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:17:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8514 Very brave displaying your email address for all to see – entirely your choice, but probably if you were living in this country you’d be aware of all the safety information provided that suggests you shouldn’t.“I still maintain a residence in London, so that makes me a resident”. Well that’s just par for the course, let’s not muddy the water with facts eh?Q13: In what circumstances will I be treated as a UK resident for UK tax purposes?A13: To be treated as resident in the UK you must normally be physically present in the country at some time in the tax year. You will always be treated as resident if you are here for 183 days or more in the tax year. There are no exceptions to this. You count the total number of days you spend in the UK - it does not matter if you come and go several times during the year or if you are here for one stay of 183 days or more. If you are here for less than 183 days, you may still be treated as resident for the year if you visit the United Kingdom regularly and your visits average 91 days or more a tax year over a period not exceeding 4 years.The normal rule is that days of arrival in and departure from the UK are ignored in counting the days spent in the UK.As always Robert you never quite get it right but try to carry it off with a bit of indignation.As for the goading, really you’ll have to try better than that, but as you’ve already pointed out, we’re nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.And as for turning you around – I think it was actually me that made that point that despite all the evidence in the world that you’re wrong, Robert, in your head, you’ll never actually be wrong.Whine and complain all you like over there – I, William and countless others are, and will continue to be, happy with civil partnerships. We got what we wanted through reasoned arguments and are now beginning to enjoy the benefits of equalities that you and your marriage mafia mates are unlikely to, because you simply cannot be reasonable. The sad thing is that so many other people suffer because of belligerent attitudes like yours. Very brave displaying your email address for all to see – entirely your choice, but probably if you were living in this country you’d be aware of all the safety information provided that suggests you shouldn’t.“I still maintain a residence in London, so that makes me a resident”. Well that’s just par for the course, let’s not muddy the water with facts eh?Q13: In what circumstances will I be treated as a UK resident for UK tax purposes?A13: To be treated as resident in the UK you must normally be physically present in the country at some time in the tax year. You will always be treated as resident if you are here for 183 days or more in the tax year. There are no exceptions to this. You count the total number of days you spend in the UK – it does not matter if you come and go several times during the year or if you are here for one stay of 183 days or more. If you are here for less than 183 days, you may still be treated as resident for the year if you visit the United Kingdom regularly and your visits average 91 days or more a tax year over a period not exceeding 4 years.The normal rule is that days of arrival in and departure from the UK are ignored in counting the days spent in the UK.As always Robert you never quite get it right but try to carry it off with a bit of indignation.As for the goading, really you’ll have to try better than that, but as you’ve already pointed out, we’re nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.And as for turning you around – I think it was actually me that made that point that despite all the evidence in the world that you’re wrong, Robert, in your head, you’ll never actually be wrong.Whine and complain all you like over there – I, William and countless others are, and will continue to be, happy with civil partnerships. We got what we wanted through reasoned arguments and are now beginning to enjoy the benefits of equalities that you and your marriage mafia mates are unlikely to, because you simply cannot be reasonable. The sad thing is that so many other people suffer because of belligerent attitudes like yours.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8515 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:44:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8515 SMC, try as you may, you'll never turn it around on me. You can spin it all you want, people can see through you and for what you are.I'm done with you once and for all and I'll continue to post and annnoy you without let up, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will NEVER harm me. Another thing, I never said you were a nun, I asked if you were or were so inclined. Whatever you are, living behind a female title, Sister Mary Clarence, is absurd. You are a man, are you not? So act like one. Who is it in the UK you fear so much that you have to use a bogus gender in the form of an equally absurd screen name? You're equal to everyone else in the UK aren't you and out of the closet I presume? Obviously you live in fear of something. Further, I still maintain a residence in London, so that makes me a resident even if I'm not living there the rest of the year. Next, you'll be saying I'm not even British. I have proof to that effect and I'll gladly send you a copy of my passport if you doubt my authenticity. My email address is robertocucina@earthlink.net. How's that, for all to see? I'm not afraid! SMC, try as you may, you'll never turn it around on me. You can spin it all you want, people can see through you and for what you are.I'm done with you once and for all and I'll continue to post and annnoy you without let up, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will NEVER harm me. Another thing, I never said you were a nun, I asked if you were or were so inclined. Whatever you are, living behind a female title, Sister Mary Clarence, is absurd. You are a man, are you not? So act like one. Who is it in the UK you fear so much that you have to use a bogus gender in the form of an equally absurd screen name? You're equal to everyone else in the UK aren't you and out of the closet I presume? Obviously you live in fear of something. Further, I still maintain a residence in London, so that makes me a resident even if I'm not living there the rest of the year. Next, you'll be saying I'm not even British. I have proof to that effect and I'll gladly send you a copy of my passport if you doubt my authenticity. My email address is robertocucina@earthlink.net. How's that, for all to see? I'm not afraid!

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8516 Sister Mary Clarence Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:56:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8516 Zeke, I am a transplanted Brit living in the U.S. I feel exactly as you do. Whenever progressives such as you and I and others criticise what is wrong in either country, we are denigrated as too left wing and too liberal and unpatriotic. In other words, we don't love our country or countries because of it. They claim the moral high ground on just about everything. All they're interested in is lower taxes, accumulation of wealth and privatisation of just about everything that is decent in society, the things they take for granted and enjoy such as universal health care (in the UK), the military, law enforcement, fire brigade (department in the US),secondary (high school) and higher education, libraries....all forms of socialism that they enjoy. They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.Robert, ex-pat Brit | 02.06.08 - 1:18 pm | #Right then Robert, lets just run through a few things 1) What am I hiding from? Well I don’t use my real identity on here because there is an issue with nutcases and criminals on the internet (well documented) targeted people in chat rooms and on blogs and sites such as these.2) What don’t I want others to know? I don’t want others to know where I live, where I work and who my family is. This is to protect myself and my family in case they are thieves or nutcases. At this point I’d like to throw a question back to you – why are you so keen to know my identity?3) Am I a nun? No, I’m not – are you?4) You can't even be honest about that. I don’ think I have every told anybody, or here or elsewhere, that I’m a nun.5) Pot calling the kettle black. To be honest I’m not entirely sure how that idiom fits into the situation at all (either the real one, or your imagined one). Perhaps you could clarify.6) I reside in the U.S. for about nine months of the year and the rest in the UK on intermittent visits for business reasons. This seems to change with the wind, or to suit the conversation you are having at any particular time. To be clear on the issue, if you reside in the US for nine months of the year, then that is your permanent place of residence and all this nonsense about living part of the year in the UK is exactly that – nonsense. You are a visitor to the UK when you come here7) I read British newspapers. Well, you’re obviously not taking in their content that well, judging by your out of touch postings on here. So don't tell me that I know NOTHING about life in the country of my birth. If you think I’ve suggested that you know NOTHING about the country of your birth then I apologise for not being clear. I only mean to suggest that you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about current affairs.9) You assume the air of moral authority, superiority. If I may refer to your little rant posted on the 6th February – “They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency”. I think its fairly clearly that its something you’re guilty of every once in a while at least.10) I suspect you're a xenophobe when I look at the anti-American slurs you and others hurl at some of us. Have you ever asked yourselves why there is so much anti American feeling on here? There are not many people who identify themselves as living in the US on here, but of the ones that do, there is a very small, but extremely opinionated, minority that expends copious amounts of time denigrating us, what we think and our way or life. 11) We don't reside there 365, 24/7 and because of that are not qualified to make any comment or offer an opinion. You certainly are perfectly entitled to offer opinions, but if that opinion is along the lines of, “They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.”, as per your posting of 6th February, is it any wonder we don’t embrace you like a long lost friend?12) You can't even respect differences without resorting to verbal bullying and insults. I certainly can respect other people’s points of view, but it seems very clear that you have difficulty in expressing you opinions in a measured and respectful way as do a number of other people who you often seem to side with in discussions. Again I would draw your attention to the little gem you posted on 6th February, “They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.”13) I think for myself, have a mind of my own and am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions. I have not doubt that you do have a mind of your own and that you can form opinions. It is very clear that once that opinion is formed, irrespective of the quality of information used to form it, you will not change it, and moreover you will insult and abuse anyone that offers an alternative view.14) And you don't speak for every Gay man or woman in the UK either. I most certainly don’t. I speak for myself and should be allowed to do so, without being lambasted for doing so whenever I have an opinion that differs from yours. Just as everyone using this site for the purposes it was designed for, should be able to.Again referring back to your posting of 6th February, I know I did comment on people pulling up other people for spelling on here, but you’ve made a bit of a gaff – you have accidentally used ‘pro’ instead of ‘re’ – the word is ‘regressive’ and not ‘progressive’. I had to laugh when I read it – in your head, there’s you living in eighties Britain and called yourself progressive. As you say, mind boggling. Zeke, I am a transplanted Brit living in the U.S. I feel exactly as you do. Whenever progressives such as you and I and others criticise what is wrong in either country, we are denigrated as too left wing and too liberal and unpatriotic. In other words, we don't love our country or countries because of it. They claim the moral high ground on just about everything. All they're interested in is lower taxes, accumulation of wealth and privatisation of just about everything that is decent in society, the things they take for granted and enjoy such as universal health care (in the UK), the military, law enforcement, fire brigade (department in the US),secondary (high school) and higher education, libraries….all forms of socialism that they enjoy. They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.Robert, ex-pat Brit | 02.06.08 – 1:18 pm | #Right then Robert, lets just run through a few things 1) What am I hiding from? Well I don’t use my real identity on here because there is an issue with nutcases and criminals on the internet (well documented) targeted people in chat rooms and on blogs and sites such as these.2) What don’t I want others to know? I don’t want others to know where I live, where I work and who my family is. This is to protect myself and my family in case they are thieves or nutcases. At this point I’d like to throw a question back to you – why are you so keen to know my identity?3) Am I a nun? No, I’m not – are you?4) You can't even be honest about that. I don’ think I have every told anybody, or here or elsewhere, that I’m a nun.5) Pot calling the kettle black. To be honest I’m not entirely sure how that idiom fits into the situation at all (either the real one, or your imagined one). Perhaps you could clarify.6) I reside in the U.S. for about nine months of the year and the rest in the UK on intermittent visits for business reasons. This seems to change with the wind, or to suit the conversation you are having at any particular time. To be clear on the issue, if you reside in the US for nine months of the year, then that is your permanent place of residence and all this nonsense about living part of the year in the UK is exactly that – nonsense. You are a visitor to the UK when you come here7) I read British newspapers. Well, you’re obviously not taking in their content that well, judging by your out of touch postings on here. So don't tell me that I know NOTHING about life in the country of my birth. If you think I’ve suggested that you know NOTHING about the country of your birth then I apologise for not being clear. I only mean to suggest that you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about current affairs.9) You assume the air of moral authority, superiority. If I may refer to your little rant posted on the 6th February – “They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency”. I think its fairly clearly that its something you’re guilty of every once in a while at least.10) I suspect you're a xenophobe when I look at the anti-American slurs you and others hurl at some of us. Have you ever asked yourselves why there is so much anti American feeling on here? There are not many people who identify themselves as living in the US on here, but of the ones that do, there is a very small, but extremely opinionated, minority that expends copious amounts of time denigrating us, what we think and our way or life. 11) We don't reside there 365, 24/7 and because of that are not qualified to make any comment or offer an opinion. You certainly are perfectly entitled to offer opinions, but if that opinion is along the lines of, “They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.”, as per your posting of 6th February, is it any wonder we don’t embrace you like a long lost friend?12) You can't even respect differences without resorting to verbal bullying and insults. I certainly can respect other people’s points of view, but it seems very clear that you have difficulty in expressing you opinions in a measured and respectful way as do a number of other people who you often seem to side with in discussions. Again I would draw your attention to the little gem you posted on 6th February, “They're nothing but selfish, self-serving sycophants who would sacrifice our rights for political expediency.”13) I think for myself, have a mind of my own and am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions. I have not doubt that you do have a mind of your own and that you can form opinions. It is very clear that once that opinion is formed, irrespective of the quality of information used to form it, you will not change it, and moreover you will insult and abuse anyone that offers an alternative view.14) And you don't speak for every Gay man or woman in the UK either. I most certainly don’t. I speak for myself and should be allowed to do so, without being lambasted for doing so whenever I have an opinion that differs from yours. Just as everyone using this site for the purposes it was designed for, should be able to.Again referring back to your posting of 6th February, I know I did comment on people pulling up other people for spelling on here, but you’ve made a bit of a gaff – you have accidentally used ‘pro’ instead of ‘re’ – the word is ‘regressive’ and not ‘progressive’. I had to laugh when I read it – in your head, there’s you living in eighties Britain and called yourself progressive. As you say, mind boggling.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8517 Robert, ex-pat Brit Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:46:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8517 SMC, whatever you call yourself, I think the shoe is on the other foot. YOU know NOTHING about me, at least I'm honest and do not resort to using fake female screen names for starters. What is it you're hiding fromand what is it you don't want others to know? Are you a "wannabe" nun or something? You can't even be honest about that, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Contradiction knows no bounds.For your information, I reside in the U.S. for about nine months of the year and the rest in the UK on intermittent visits for business reasons. I pay taxes in the UK too, I have a significant number of relatives living there and I still vote there, I read British newspapers, so don't tell me that I know NOTHING about life in the country of my birth. You assume the air of moral authority, superiority and I suspect you're a xenophobe when I look at the anti-American slurs you and others hurl at some of us and others from outside the UK just because we don't reside there 365, 24/7 and because of that are not qualified to make any comment or offer an opinion, because some don't concur with your views. You can't even respect differences without resorting to verbal bullying and insults. I think for myself, have a mind of my own and am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions. Nobody tells me what to think, say or do and you don't speak for every Gay man or woman in the UK either. Your arrogance is mind-boggling. SMC, whatever you call yourself, I think the shoe is on the other foot. YOU know NOTHING about me, at least I'm honest and do not resort to using fake female screen names for starters. What is it you're hiding fromand what is it you don't want others to know? Are you a "wannabe" nun or something? You can't even be honest about that, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Contradiction knows no bounds.For your information, I reside in the U.S. for about nine months of the year and the rest in the UK on intermittent visits for business reasons. I pay taxes in the UK too, I have a significant number of relatives living there and I still vote there, I read British newspapers, so don't tell me that I know NOTHING about life in the country of my birth. You assume the air of moral authority, superiority and I suspect you're a xenophobe when I look at the anti-American slurs you and others hurl at some of us and others from outside the UK just because we don't reside there 365, 24/7 and because of that are not qualified to make any comment or offer an opinion, because some don't concur with your views. You can't even respect differences without resorting to verbal bullying and insults. I think for myself, have a mind of my own and am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions. Nobody tells me what to think, say or do and you don't speak for every Gay man or woman in the UK either. Your arrogance is mind-boggling.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8518 Sister Mary Clarence Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:09:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8518 Robert, as Ciaran's posting shows you do tend to bring the worse out in people.Although I know you will not have it, you clearly do not understand civil partnerships in the UK. You get a distorted view of life back in the UK through the media and you are completely out of touch with the views of the gay community in this country. Despite what you have previous said about residing in both countries, it transpires from other comments you have made since making that statement that you have been in the States years and your visits to the UK are few and far between. It is abundantly clear that you now know nothing whatsoever about life in this country and you can’t even be honest about where you live.By now you should realise that we are not going to be brow beaten by childish accusations that we are soft on equality, don't understand it, or don't believe in it.Ciaran's posting tells a familiar story of the attitude of yankee/yankie, or whatever spelling you like, twats that laud it over this site. I include you in this, as you seem to have embraced their mindset with open arms.This site is like a magnet for nutters from over there. Where are all the rational thinking Americans? I know they exist - please God the start making their voices heard.And please most of all can someone tell me why the ‘equality harpies’ are always the ones banging on about people’s spelling? You might all want to read up on equality and diversity in relation to people with dyslexia or learning difficulties. I’m sure anyone with an issues in this area is going to encouraged to post comments with the spelling police ready to jump in if they don’t dot a f**king i.Oh, pardon me I forgot the only equality is gay equality. Robert, as Ciaran's posting shows you do tend to bring the worse out in people.Although I know you will not have it, you clearly do not understand civil partnerships in the UK. You get a distorted view of life back in the UK through the media and you are completely out of touch with the views of the gay community in this country. Despite what you have previous said about residing in both countries, it transpires from other comments you have made since making that statement that you have been in the States years and your visits to the UK are few and far between. It is abundantly clear that you now know nothing whatsoever about life in this country and you can’t even be honest about where you live.By now you should realise that we are not going to be brow beaten by childish accusations that we are soft on equality, don't understand it, or don't believe in it.Ciaran's posting tells a familiar story of the attitude of yankee/yankie, or whatever spelling you like, twats that laud it over this site. I include you in this, as you seem to have embraced their mindset with open arms.This site is like a magnet for nutters from over there. Where are all the rational thinking Americans? I know they exist – please God the start making their voices heard.And please most of all can someone tell me why the ‘equality harpies’ are always the ones banging on about people’s spelling? You might all want to read up on equality and diversity in relation to people with dyslexia or learning difficulties. I’m sure anyone with an issues in this area is going to encouraged to post comments with the spelling police ready to jump in if they don’t dot a f**king i.Oh, pardon me I forgot the only equality is gay equality.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8519 William - Dublin Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:41:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8519 Robert, I couldn't care less. Seriously, I couldn't. Discussing this with you is as impossible from trying to get a logical argument from "Bill the Raving Nut Perdue" himself. I'd have better chance getting a meaningful discussion going with a road kill.Its a pity you couldn't put those two degrees to some use in an discussion rather than screaming "conservative" like a hysterical queen.So, good luck to yourself. Robert, I couldn't care less. Seriously, I couldn't. Discussing this with you is as impossible from trying to get a logical argument from "Bill the Raving Nut Perdue" himself. I'd have better chance getting a meaningful discussion going with a road kill.Its a pity you couldn't put those two degrees to some use in an discussion rather than screaming "conservative" like a hysterical queen.So, good luck to yourself.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8520 Robert, ex-pat Brit Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:15:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8520 William, you said "I believe the reason other countries don't do this, is because of the amount of straight people who would chose them in favour of marriage."William, most countries with the exception of the UK wherein civil partnerships/unions/PACs are offered, also allow straight couples the same privilege to enter into such a relationship, including the U.S. states where they are available. Goodbye and good luck. William, you said "I believe the reason other countries don't do this, is because of the amount of straight people who would chose them in favour of marriage."William, most countries with the exception of the UK wherein civil partnerships/unions/PACs are offered, also allow straight couples the same privilege to enter into such a relationship, including the U.S. states where they are available. Goodbye and good luck.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8521 William - Dublin Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:59:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8521 I do not, not have I ever claimed to, speak for other gays people. I am, however, without apology, and without shame, quite entitled to speak for myself. Lets address your points:"should stop undermining others' struggle" - no one here has said they are doing that. But don't expect me to get on your bandwagon just because you think it better for your argument to call me a "conservative". You are reading an attack where non exists."church based marriage" - I personally never said that, not can I remember anyone else doing so. Either way, that is not for me."Open up partnerships to UK and Irish straight couples" - I believe this is what most Irish people want already, its what most of the political parties are pushing for, expect the one in government, of course. I believe the reason other countries don't do this, is because of the amount of straight people who would chose them in favour of marriage.Now, I believe I have clarified myself fully here. As I said, I couldn't care less about your want for marriage and how that affects your belief in your own equality, at least not while you spend your time ridiculing those who choose partnerships. I will not apologise to you, or anyone else for that matter, for MY choice, no matter how many insults you hurl at me as a "conservative". I do not, not have I ever claimed to, speak for other gays people. I am, however, without apology, and without shame, quite entitled to speak for myself. Lets address your points:"should stop undermining others' struggle" – no one here has said they are doing that. But don't expect me to get on your bandwagon just because you think it better for your argument to call me a "conservative". You are reading an attack where non exists."church based marriage" – I personally never said that, not can I remember anyone else doing so. Either way, that is not for me."Open up partnerships to UK and Irish straight couples" – I believe this is what most Irish people want already, its what most of the political parties are pushing for, expect the one in government, of course. I believe the reason other countries don't do this, is because of the amount of straight people who would chose them in favour of marriage.Now, I believe I have clarified myself fully here. As I said, I couldn't care less about your want for marriage and how that affects your belief in your own equality, at least not while you spend your time ridiculing those who choose partnerships. I will not apologise to you, or anyone else for that matter, for MY choice, no matter how many insults you hurl at me as a "conservative".

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8522 Robert, ex-pat Brit Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:49:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8522 Ciaran, spelling check...its "yankee". Queens, huh? Seems that some of us have touched a raw nerve. You're no better than the straight homophobes. Ciaran, spelling check…its "yankee". Queens, huh? Seems that some of us have touched a raw nerve. You're no better than the straight homophobes.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8523 Robert, ex-pat Brit Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:43:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8523 William and I suppose you speak for the majority of Gays in the EU just like others here and just like the minority of Gays during the consultation who chose partnerships over marriage which many of you equally denigrate and while I'm at it, I suppose those select gays who during the "consultation" chose partnerships over marriage speak for ALL British gays? I also suppose you spoke for all the gays in Holland, Belgium, Spain, South Africa and Canada who abolished partnerships and unions? I don't give a damn if someone wants a partnership, fine and dandy with me since its all there is, none of my business, but you and others here should stop undermining others' struggle to have the simple right to marry if they so choose as if partnerships were the only panacea to gain equality, they're not. One isn't better than the other, though I note some of you fought ardently for all the rights of straight marriage, church based marriage, yet fire back by saying you don't want to mimick straight marriage. I find that rather conflicted and to some degree hypocritical no matter how you try to skew it. Who mentioned anything about the trappings of marriage as a reason for demanding marriage equality? I didn't, never have and never will. I don't give a damn about that either. Who is it who refers to "weddings", "vows", "I do's", "honeymoons" and other trappings of marriage? Not me, but some partnered couples and Pink News. Nobody influences my views on equality, not even Bill, I have a mind of my own and can think for myself. Open up partnerships to UK and Irish straight couples alike, why should they be exempt just because only marriage is available? The two should be interchangeable and open to both orientations. At least several states here permit that for straight couples alike, far more innovative and fairer. William and I suppose you speak for the majority of Gays in the EU just like others here and just like the minority of Gays during the consultation who chose partnerships over marriage which many of you equally denigrate and while I'm at it, I suppose those select gays who during the "consultation" chose partnerships over marriage speak for ALL British gays? I also suppose you spoke for all the gays in Holland, Belgium, Spain, South Africa and Canada who abolished partnerships and unions? I don't give a damn if someone wants a partnership, fine and dandy with me since its all there is, none of my business, but you and others here should stop undermining others' struggle to have the simple right to marry if they so choose as if partnerships were the only panacea to gain equality, they're not. One isn't better than the other, though I note some of you fought ardently for all the rights of straight marriage, church based marriage, yet fire back by saying you don't want to mimick straight marriage. I find that rather conflicted and to some degree hypocritical no matter how you try to skew it. Who mentioned anything about the trappings of marriage as a reason for demanding marriage equality? I didn't, never have and never will. I don't give a damn about that either. Who is it who refers to "weddings", "vows", "I do's", "honeymoons" and other trappings of marriage? Not me, but some partnered couples and Pink News. Nobody influences my views on equality, not even Bill, I have a mind of my own and can think for myself. Open up partnerships to UK and Irish straight couples alike, why should they be exempt just because only marriage is available? The two should be interchangeable and open to both orientations. At least several states here permit that for straight couples alike, far more innovative and fairer.

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]]> By: Ciaran McMahon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8524 Ciaran McMahon Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:24:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8524 William mate youre wasting your breath. This pack of jaded old yankie queens only want somewhere to vent anger, not to discuss news. I once used this comment room, but no more. Ended up trying to reason with sad old bitches and religious nuts. Waste of time, too many extremist freaks screaming hate crime at every person who isn't as sad and as pathetic as them. And don't get me started on that Bill Perdue fucker, hes one fucked up gimp. Thinks he's Fidel Castro. Move on, forget about these people, their opinions dont matter a fuck. Stick with reading the news. William mate youre wasting your breath. This pack of jaded old yankie queens only want somewhere to vent anger, not to discuss news. I once used this comment room, but no more. Ended up trying to reason with sad old bitches and religious nuts. Waste of time, too many extremist freaks screaming hate crime at every person who isn't as sad and as pathetic as them. And don't get me started on that Bill Perdue fucker, hes one fucked up gimp. Thinks he's Fidel Castro. Move on, forget about these people, their opinions dont matter a fuck. Stick with reading the news.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8525 William - Dublin Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:58:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8525 Oh, and Robert, perhaps less of the "conservatives" labelling, simply because I don't agree with you. I am not a "conservative", not matter what you or that buffoon Perdue says. I find your insinuations distasteful and petty, and I am fairly sure you and Mr. Perdue dont represent any of the gay people I know in the EU. Oh, and Robert, perhaps less of the "conservatives" labelling, simply because I don't agree with you. I am not a "conservative", not matter what you or that buffoon Perdue says. I find your insinuations distasteful and petty, and I am fairly sure you and Mr. Perdue dont represent any of the gay people I know in the EU.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8526 William - Dublin Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:54:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8526 "they want to deny us that right, yet they willingly accept the rights of straight marriage, and decry the terminology, nothing more than hypocrites, conflicted ones at that"Robert, I fear you are following in the footsteps of more than Bills opinions. NO ONE here has said that or anything even close to it. Simply that they prefer partnerships. You can't seem to get that through "that through their thick skulls". You get your marriage, super, I'm delighted for you. Its no skin of my nose either way. But don't stoop to lying and making up petty insults to make your point, its demeans the point of discussion. "they want to deny us that right, yet they willingly accept the rights of straight marriage, and decry the terminology, nothing more than hypocrites, conflicted ones at that"Robert, I fear you are following in the footsteps of more than Bills opinions. NO ONE here has said that or anything even close to it. Simply that they prefer partnerships. You can't seem to get that through "that through their thick skulls". You get your marriage, super, I'm delighted for you. Its no skin of my nose either way. But don't stoop to lying and making up petty insults to make your point, its demeans the point of discussion.

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]]> By: William - Dublin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html/comment-page-1/#comment-8527 William - Dublin Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:45:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2920.html#comment-8527 Ah, predictable and repetitive Bill joins in again with a jaded tirade. The man without the passport and the education of a drunken hobo (lies about your so called “degrees” aside). The man who thinks being a racist bigot is okay, but demands that everyone else agree and accept him as gospel.The man who can never back up his lies with any quotes or any factual foundation. Lets reflect a moment on how you slandered Luke, and never got back to him with the quote.Indeed, Bill, I tremble in fear of your uncouth repartee.What’s that Bill, I’m a conservative? Oh, no! Please, don’t say that, it hurts. Saying the same lying crap over and over and over and over again doesn’t make it true. What it does is make you look like a dull retard, an idiot, a liar and a pathetic fraud. If you’re not smart enough, or mentally balanced enough, to make a plausible argument without demonstrating your autistic merits or ability to blatantly lie, then you really shouldn’t try. I won’t dignify that load of badly written nonsense with an answer, because fools like you who make false acquisitions against another don’t deserve one.Bravo, Bill, you’re an absolute disgrace to all gay people worldwide, and I am embarrassed that I have even have to share the term “gay” with you. I can’t wait until the next load of dribble pours fourth from you banging on your keyboard like a retarded chimp. It makes me laugh if nothing else.Although sometimes I think it’s wrong to laugh at someone like you with such an obvious dysfunctional mental condition. Ah, well. No ones perfect. Ah, predictable and repetitive Bill joins in again with a jaded tirade. The man without the passport and the education of a drunken hobo (lies about your so called “degrees” aside). The man who thinks being a racist bigot is okay, but demands that everyone else agree and accept him as gospel.The man who can never back up his lies with any quotes or any factual foundation. Lets reflect a moment on how you slandered Luke, and never got back to him with the quote.Indeed, Bill, I tremble in fear of your uncouth repartee.What’s that Bill, I’m a conservative? Oh, no! Please, don’t say that, it hurts. Saying the same lying crap over and over and over and over again doesn’t make it true. What it does is make you look like a dull retard, an idiot, a liar and a pathetic fraud. If you’re not smart enough, or mentally balanced enough, to make a plausible argument without demonstrating your autistic merits or ability to blatantly lie, then you really shouldn’t try. I won’t dignify that load of badly written nonsense with an answer, because fools like you who make false acquisitions against another don’t deserve one.Bravo, Bill, you’re an absolute disgrace to all gay people worldwide, and I am embarrassed that I have even have to share the term “gay” with you. I can’t wait until the next load of dribble pours fourth from you banging on your keyboard like a retarded chimp. It makes me laugh if nothing else.Although sometimes I think it’s wrong to laugh at someone like you with such an obvious dysfunctional mental condition. Ah, well. No ones perfect.

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