Comments on: Savage Garden singer attacks gay media stereotypes http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:38:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Joy - UK http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-77333 Joy - UK Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:23:50 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-77333 Being a straight woman I stand a little outside the grounds of this, but.. FIRST:As for Darren's timing for 'coming out', that is HIS choice & his alone. I beleive, he has probabley 'battled' being gay for a very long time as many other people would have (& continue too) And you guys in the gay community should understand that more than anyone else. And I agree, he decided 'mutulely' with the record company (they didn't want him anymore because he was not making 'them' enough, I beleive is the actual truth!) to part ways. I love Darren & he is completley entitled to feel how he feels... I also watched every episode of W&G. I do except what he has said a be 'a truth', but nothing is ever as black & white as it seems. I have had a similar dicussion a few times with my dad (who is 76 yrs, and very much dislikes any gay/lesbian lifestyle) However he watches Paul O'Grady every single chance he gets, as well as really enjoying the John Inman character & many very camp characters from various shows. I asked him what he thought made them funny/entertaining & he admitted that it was the 'campness' of them that made them entertaining. I read all of the posts on Darren, & you are all different yet all the same (even as the straight/christian/etc...) we all all individuals. It all goes' to show 'ME' that any little community of people all have the same difference of opinions or differences of personality. Being a straight woman I stand a little outside the grounds of this, but..
FIRST:As for Darren's timing for 'coming out', that is HIS choice & his alone. I beleive, he has probabley 'battled' being gay for a very long time as many other people would have (& continue too) And you guys in the gay community should understand that more than anyone else. And I agree, he decided 'mutulely' with the record company (they didn't want him anymore because he was not making 'them' enough, I beleive is the actual truth!) to part ways.

I love Darren & he is completley entitled to feel how he feels… I also watched every episode of W&G. I do except what he has said a be 'a truth', but nothing is ever as black & white as it seems. I have had a similar dicussion a few times with my dad (who is 76 yrs, and very much dislikes any gay/lesbian lifestyle) However he watches Paul O'Grady every single chance he gets, as well as really enjoying the John Inman character & many very camp characters from various shows. I asked him what he thought made them funny/entertaining & he admitted that it was the 'campness' of them that made them entertaining.
I read all of the posts on Darren, & you are all different yet all the same (even as the straight/christian/etc…) we all all individuals.
It all goes' to show 'ME' that any little community of people all have the same difference of opinions or differences of personality.

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]]> By: Mary http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-67753 Mary Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:25:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-67753 So much ignorance & petty comments. Though I don't agree with Hayes' perception of the TV series, "Will & Grace" its no reason to slander him, nor is it a reason to judge or attack one's personal decision of publicly declairing their sexuality. I'm straight, but I don't go around telling everyone, so why should gay men & women go around, or be expected to announce their sexuality? Why is such a subject treated as a one way street? Its hypocritcal & unfair. Most of you need to do some research before defaming Hayes' character because it makes you look stupid & ignorant. FYI: Hayes was never dropped by his record company, he was married to a woman for 6yrs & realized he was gay while married, and he had a traumatic childhood. Thats a lot for any one person to handle, so your judgement & cruel words are shameful & wrong. So much ignorance & petty comments. Though I don't agree with Hayes' perception of the TV series, "Will & Grace" its no reason to slander him, nor is it a reason to judge or attack one's personal decision of publicly declairing their sexuality. I'm straight, but I don't go around telling everyone, so why should gay men & women go around, or be expected to announce their sexuality? Why is such a subject treated as a one way street? Its hypocritcal & unfair. Most of you need to do some research before defaming Hayes' character because it makes you look stupid & ignorant. FYI: Hayes was never dropped by his record company, he was married to a woman for 6yrs & realized he was gay while married, and he had a traumatic childhood. Thats a lot for any one person to handle, so your judgement & cruel words are shameful & wrong.

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]]> By: Ewald Liebegut http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64446 Ewald Liebegut Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:53:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64446 As long as the media (many times 'dictated' by the likes of Graham Norton) only portray stereotypes, many of us non-stereotypes will always have to think twice about coming out. Because stereotypes are not taken serious and laughed about by the masses. I'd like to be taken serious as a person, who just happens to be gay. I don't hide it [which is easier in Amsterdam I know], but will think twice before I announce anything. As too many times from that moment on, people see you as GAY and no longer as another human being. Stereotypes casting causes this. And no: "cause you are visible a lot, and shout a lot; doesn't make you the majority of all gays". I am not against anything but a little more balance such as this article is welcomed! As long as the media (many times 'dictated' by the likes of Graham Norton) only portray stereotypes, many of us non-stereotypes will always have to think twice about coming out. Because stereotypes are not taken serious and laughed about by the masses.
I'd like to be taken serious as a person, who just happens to be gay.
I don't hide it [which is easier in Amsterdam I know], but will think twice before I announce anything.
As too many times from that moment on, people see you as GAY and no longer as another human being.
Stereotypes casting causes this.
And no: "cause you are visible a lot, and shout a lot; doesn't make you the majority of all gays".
I am not against anything but a little more balance such as this article is welcomed!

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]]> By: Laura http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64393 Laura Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:04:41 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64393 Fist of all read his comment on twitter about this 'interview'. These are old quotes from different sources strung together so he's hardly held a press conference and 'attacked' the media. Secondly, the guy was married to a woman and suffered depression over his coming out. All of which he openly discussed when his ten year record deal ENDED. Not 'dropped'. He has famously never lied about being gay. Unlike George Michael or Boy George. Finally, the guy just sold out the Royal Albert Hall as a 'has been' as you described it and didn't play either of the massive u.s number one singles that garnered him over 27 million album sales. So put things into persepctive when you describe someone as being over. If you feel so strongly about your opinion of someone you know nothing about why don't you write to the guy on his myspace or twitter and take some responsibility for your words. Fist of all read his comment on twitter about this 'interview'. These are old quotes from different sources strung together so he's hardly held a press conference and 'attacked' the media.
Secondly, the guy was married to a woman and suffered depression over his coming out. All of which he openly discussed when his ten year record deal ENDED. Not 'dropped'. He has famously never lied about being gay. Unlike George Michael or Boy George.
Finally, the guy just sold out the Royal Albert Hall as a 'has been' as you described it and didn't play either of the massive u.s number one singles that garnered him over 27 million album sales. So put things into persepctive when you describe someone as being over.
If you feel so strongly about your opinion of someone you know nothing about why don't you write to the guy on his myspace or twitter and take some responsibility for your words.

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]]> By: Iris http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64354 Iris Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:44:51 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64354 Simon Murphy. "But in my view it is just as acceptable to regard him as a negative stereotype for waiting until his career as a mainstream pop star was over before he came out." I respect your opinion but he was still married to his wife when Savage Garden became famous. I'm guessing that personal reasons had more to do with not coming out than commercial ones. I agree that his record company wanted to control his image (as they do with most pop stars) and maybe he should have protested more, but I'd think that his feelings about his wife and coming to terms with his sexuality took up more of his time than worrying about his manufactured image.We can both only guess, but it must be hard to be married and realise you're gay. (And, yes, he is a very good singer. No argument there :D ) Simon Murphy. "But in my view it is just as acceptable to regard him as a negative stereotype for waiting until his career as a mainstream pop star was over before he came out."

I respect your opinion but he was still married to his wife when Savage Garden became famous. I'm guessing that personal reasons had more to do with not coming out than commercial ones.

I agree that his record company wanted to control his image (as they do with most pop stars) and maybe he should have protested more, but I'd think that his feelings about his wife and coming to terms with his sexuality took up more of his time than worrying about his manufactured image.We can both only guess, but it must be hard to be married and realise you're gay.

(And, yes, he is a very good singer. No argument there :D )

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]]> By: Tony http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64347 Tony Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:52 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64347 Simon, is commercial success the only measure of someone's success? Perhaps the quality of the music would be a better yardstick. Do you think that commercial succes means someone is a good musician? Some of the worst musical drivel is commercially succesful. If he earns enough money to make a living and makes music he is happy with then in my books that is better than an over-packaged talentless load of rubbish that makes load of money- probably to line the pockets of the marketing execs, not the artists. At the end of the day, Darren Hayes is still popular enough that this is today's most read story and people are still interested in what he is doing. Plus he has come out with an intelligent opinion. Simon, is commercial success the only measure of someone's success? Perhaps the quality of the music would be a better yardstick. Do you think that commercial succes means someone is a good musician? Some of the worst musical drivel is commercially succesful. If he earns enough money to make a living and makes music he is happy with then in my books that is better than an over-packaged talentless load of rubbish that makes load of money- probably to line the pockets of the marketing execs, not the artists.

At the end of the day, Darren Hayes is still popular enough that this is today's most read story and people are still interested in what he is doing. Plus he has come out with an intelligent opinion.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64309 Simon Murphy Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64309 I'm the one who called him a has-been. That's not a comment on his singing ability as he is a very good singer. However the fact remains that he is a commercial hasbeen who is only really noticed by the gay press these days. Savage Garden were finished as a successful band before he came out of the closet. He's free to air his opinions about negative stereotypes all he wants. But in my view it is just as acceptable to regard him as a negative stereotype for waiting until his career as a mainstream pop star was over before he came out. As for this idea that he is a good role model because he is in a stable relatioship. What a load of old nonsense. We don't know what his relatioship is like. A single, confident, camp, happy gay man like Graham Norton or Will Young is just as good a role model as Darren Hayes. And unlike Hayes they were openly gay while they were still commercially viable. I'm the one who called him a has-been. That's not a comment on his singing ability as he is a very good singer. However the fact remains that he is a commercial hasbeen who is only really noticed by the gay press these days. Savage Garden were finished as a successful band before he came out of the closet.

He's free to air his opinions about negative stereotypes all he wants. But in my view it is just as acceptable to regard him as a negative stereotype for waiting until his career as a mainstream pop star was over before he came out.

As for this idea that he is a good role model because he is in a stable relatioship. What a load of old nonsense. We don't know what his relatioship is like. A single, confident, camp, happy gay man like Graham Norton or Will Young is just as good a role model as Darren Hayes. And unlike Hayes they were openly gay while they were still commercially viable.

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]]> By: Iris http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64282 Iris Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:50:11 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64282 Darren Hayes is a sweet person. I don't think it's fair to pick on him because he took a long time coming out. Who knows why he did that or how much his upbringing contributed to that? He was married to a woman before his CP, and I personally consider him very brave to end that marriage and come out. His general point is a good one. I don't like token gay characters. I'd like to see characters who are lawyers/policemen/policewomen/thiefs/spaceship captains/anything you can think of where being gay is just part of who they are and is seen as completely normal, just as much as being straight. P.S - whoever said Darren Hayes was a 'has-been' - you're entitled to your opinion and maybe you just have different musical taste, but Darren's last album was great in my opinion :) Darren Hayes is a sweet person. I don't think it's fair to pick on him because he took a long time coming out. Who knows why he did that or how much his upbringing contributed to that? He was married to a woman before his CP, and I personally consider him very brave to end that marriage and come out.

His general point is a good one. I don't like token gay characters. I'd like to see characters who are lawyers/policemen/policewomen/thiefs/spaceship captains/anything you can think of where being gay is just part of who they are and is seen as completely normal, just as much as being straight.

P.S – whoever said Darren Hayes was a 'has-been' – you're entitled to your opinion and maybe you just have different musical taste, but Darren's last album was great in my opinion :)

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]]> By: Tony http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64251 Tony Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:23:50 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64251 I can only agree with what Darren Hayes says. It would be good if there was a better, more varied, more realistic range of portrayals of gay poeple in the media. That would be good in so many ways- it would help to educate straight poeple with prejudices and it would help those isolated or younger gay people struggling to find any reflection of themselves in the gay community. Gay men are too often protrayed as queeny. Where are the depictions of gay indie kids, gay people from ethnic minorities, gay disabled people, older people etc. And what about gay people in long term settled relationships. Not to mention the underrepresentation of lesbians and bisexual people. True, there are more lesbians in the public eye now, but not enough. Perhaps we could clone another six Sandi Toksvigs- that would make the world a better place. I can only agree with what Darren Hayes says. It would be good if there was a better, more varied, more realistic range of portrayals of gay poeple in the media. That would be good in so many ways- it would help to educate straight poeple with prejudices and it would help those isolated or younger gay people struggling to find any reflection of themselves in the gay community. Gay men are too often protrayed as queeny. Where are the depictions of gay indie kids, gay people from ethnic minorities, gay disabled people, older people etc. And what about gay people in long term settled relationships. Not to mention the underrepresentation of lesbians and bisexual people. True, there are more lesbians in the public eye now, but not enough. Perhaps we could clone another six Sandi Toksvigs- that would make the world a better place.

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]]> By: swarmite http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64218 swarmite Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:39:49 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64218 What has being Gay got to do with Relationships? A better stereotype is for a gay man to be single and emotionally happy BEFORE he embarks on emotional relationships with men. This includes honesty, authenticity, no cover-ups and frequent sexual exploration. Just like str8 men. I loathe this superior attitude that implies that gay men in a relationship are better role-models. I think that camp gay men swishing down streets at 3am after clubbing in unsafe areas are far braver than one half of the " solid " relationship on gaydar for 3 hours. As to Pop Stars coming out - until they are open from the beginning - all around them are just enablers for reasons given above. As to Will Young and record concert sales - I would swop my bank account for his any day. What has being Gay got to do with Relationships? A better stereotype is for a gay man to be single and emotionally happy BEFORE he embarks on emotional relationships with men. This includes honesty, authenticity, no cover-ups and frequent sexual exploration. Just like str8 men. I loathe this superior attitude that implies that gay men in a relationship are better role-models. I think that camp gay men swishing down streets at 3am after clubbing in unsafe areas are far braver than one half of the " solid " relationship on gaydar for 3 hours. As to Pop Stars coming out – until they are open from the beginning – all around them are just enablers for reasons given above. As to Will Young and record concert sales – I would swop my bank account for his any day.

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]]> By: Lorna McArdle http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64210 Lorna McArdle Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:12:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64210 How come you have all skipped or over looked the last paragraph. "Neither of these things have anything to do with penises, or cocks in mouths or any of the things that are related to being gay." Why would the public and I am the public, want that to be the main focus of being gay? If you want that then there's porn. I would prefer to I see more in how Tourchwood and Eastenders are handling gay relationships than talk about cocks. Otherwise can we talk about our clits then as that's not mentioned if fact Lesbians aren't portraid at all anywhere unless it's to titillate. How come you have all skipped or over looked the last paragraph.

"Neither of these things have anything to do with penises, or cocks in mouths or any of the things that are related to being gay."

Why would the public and I am the public, want that to be the main focus of being gay? If you want that then there's porn. I would prefer to I see more in how Tourchwood and Eastenders are handling gay relationships than talk about cocks. Otherwise can we talk about our clits then as that's not mentioned if fact Lesbians aren't portraid at all anywhere unless it's to titillate.

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64173 RobN Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:47:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64173 Sister Mary: It was pretty common knowledge to many that Darren Hayes was in a relationship with Daniel Jones for years, which is why when they split, so did Savage Garden. Simon Murphy: Darren Hayes was dropped by Columbia after ten years and he then set up his own label. Since then he has just given away freebies over the internet. Hardly the same level of success I would say. I am not suggesting this is all attributable to his coming out, but I'm sure it was a major factor. Sister Mary: It was pretty common knowledge to many that Darren Hayes was in a relationship with Daniel Jones for years, which is why when they split, so did Savage Garden.

Simon Murphy: Darren Hayes was dropped by Columbia after ten years and he then set up his own label. Since then he has just given away freebies over the internet. Hardly the same level of success I would say. I am not suggesting this is all attributable to his coming out, but I'm sure it was a major factor.

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]]> By: Sister Mary Clarence http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64146 Sister Mary Clarence Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:57:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64146 I though his career was over, and just to clarify, Will Young came out because he was about to be outed anyway I though his career was over, and just to clarify, Will Young came out because he was about to be outed anyway

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64126 Simon Murphy Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:35:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64126 RobN - Will Young still has a record deal Catriona - Darren Hayes came out AFTER being dumped by his record label. He may take whatever opportunity he can to be an advocate for equality today. But today he is a hasbeen singer who only gets interviewed by the gay press. He's preaching to the converted. You may be a fan of his but personally I don't have too much respect for a man who lectures his only audience (other gay people) about negative gay stereotypes when he waited until he was no longer newsworthy to come out. People like Graham Norton, George Michael, Will Young etc may be stereotypes. But that's sort of implying that being a 'stereotype' is always a bad thing. Darren Hayes is also a negative stereotype - a gay man who waits until his career with a mainstream audience is over before coming out then at least guaranteeing continued interest from a gay audience. RobN – Will Young still has a record deal

Catriona – Darren Hayes came out AFTER being dumped by his record label. He may take whatever opportunity he can to be an advocate for equality today. But today he is a hasbeen singer who only gets interviewed by the gay press. He's preaching to the converted.

You may be a fan of his but personally I don't have too much respect for a man who lectures his only audience (other gay people) about negative gay stereotypes when he waited until he was no longer newsworthy to come out.

People like Graham Norton, George Michael, Will Young etc may be stereotypes. But that's sort of implying that being a 'stereotype' is always a bad thing. Darren Hayes is also a negative stereotype – a gay man who waits until his career with a mainstream audience is over before coming out then at least guaranteeing continued interest from a gay audience.

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]]> By: Catriona http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64121 Catriona Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:45:09 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64121 Simon, you seem to be labouring under an agenda that you'd like to apply to gay people---specifically gay men---across the board. There ARE stereotypes in the media and these stereotypes are as far from portraying the reality of being gay in an overwhelmingly straight world as the racial stereotypes presented in a 1920's vaudeville blackface show reflected the reality of being African-American. Darren did NOT, as you believe, wait until his career was "over" (it certainly isn't over!) to make his announcement... he waited until he was ready, emotionally, and in a position to legally sanction his relationship. Career, selfishness, secrecy, being anything less than fiercely proud of his sexuality ... these had nothing at all to do with the decision. It was of primary importance to him that the world see him and his partner make a stand for equality under the law. And the moment civil partnership was legally recognised in the UK, he took that stand. He still takes whatever opportunity he can to advocate for equality. And to decry stereotypes that are harmful and often ludicrous, as he's done today. Simon, you seem to be labouring under an agenda that you'd like to apply to gay people—specifically gay men—across the board. There ARE stereotypes in the media and these stereotypes are as far from portraying the reality of being gay in an overwhelmingly straight world as the racial stereotypes presented in a 1920's vaudeville blackface show reflected the reality of being African-American. Darren did NOT, as you believe, wait until his career was "over" (it certainly isn't over!) to make his announcement… he waited until he was ready, emotionally, and in a position to legally sanction his relationship. Career, selfishness, secrecy, being anything less than fiercely proud of his sexuality … these had nothing at all to do with the decision. It was of primary importance to him that the world see him and his partner make a stand for equality under the law. And the moment civil partnership was legally recognised in the UK, he took that stand. He still takes whatever opportunity he can to advocate for equality. And to decry stereotypes that are harmful and often ludicrous, as he's done today.

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]]> By: AnthonyB http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64108 AnthonyB Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:15:13 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64108 Is Mary Portas a lesbian? I didn't know that! Is Mary Portas a lesbian? I didn't know that!

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64074 RobN Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:26:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64074 Simon Murphy: "Will Young is openly gay and didn't wait until he'd been dropped by his record label to come out." Maybe that's WHY he got dropped. Simon Murphy: "Will Young is openly gay and didn't wait until he'd been dropped by his record label to come out."

Maybe that's WHY he got dropped.

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64073 RobN Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:19:36 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64073 Oi!! MURPHY!! ARE YOU QUEER!?? "The public have a right to know!" You tell me if you want to answer that to some slavvering journo from News of the Screws. THREE IN A BED GAY SHOCKER PINK NEWS BLOKE WITH PEANUT BUTTER AND A MELON!! SHOCK! HORROR!! ANAL PROBE!! Oi!! MURPHY!! ARE YOU QUEER!?? "The public have a right to know!"

You tell me if you want to answer that to some slavvering journo from News of the Screws.

THREE IN A BED GAY SHOCKER PINK NEWS BLOKE WITH PEANUT BUTTER AND A MELON!! SHOCK! HORROR!! ANAL PROBE!!

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64060 Simon Murphy Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:51:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64060 Oh and Samantha Johnson - you may think that Darren Hayes is a good gay role model because "he's in a stable relationship."What are you trying to suggest. That single people or people with an active sex life are BAD role models? Isn't that really quite homophobic of you? Will Young is a far better role model than Darren Hayes as he is openly gay and didn't wait until he'd been dropped by his record label to come out. Oh and Samantha Johnson – you may think that Darren Hayes is a good gay role model because "he's in a stable relationship."What are you trying to suggest. That single people or people with an active sex life are BAD role models?

Isn't that really quite homophobic of you?

Will Young is a far better role model than Darren Hayes as he is openly gay and didn't wait until he'd been dropped by his record label to come out.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html/comment-page-1/#comment-64056 Simon Murphy Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:42:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13366.html#comment-64056 When Darren Hayes was in Savage Garden he used to lie about being straight. It's one thing not to come out but it's another thing entirely to lie. He wouldn't get away with that anymore especially if he had an active sex life. That may not be appealing to some people but for me that is progress. It may be cruel but at least the press are treating gay and straight slebs in the same manner. When Darren Hayes was in Savage Garden he used to lie about being straight. It's one thing not to come out but it's another thing entirely to lie.

He wouldn't get away with that anymore especially if he had an active sex life. That may not be appealing to some people but for me that is progress. It may be cruel but at least the press are treating gay and straight slebs in the same manner.

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