Comments on: Tory MEP expelled for standing against candidate from 'homophobic' Polish Law and Justice Party http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:27:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63559 Bill Perdue Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:26:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63559 You may not be getting the point, Christina. As a rule, when I comment on GLBT affairs I’m regularly denounced by the New Cliveden Set - Twisted Sister, Vulpis pox, William the Dunce and Rob N - as a bolshie, a blackmailer, poor, without friends, illiterate and innumerate, unable to read or think, anti-English, anti-Catholic, islamist terrorist covered with zits and pustules and the worst breath on the planet. I think at one point I was also a plague vector. They’re forced to make comments like that because they and their politics are bankrupt. I was waiting for more of the same. But I guess James was right - they’re leery of commenting on this. I'm sorry to hear that you're a liberal, but don’t give up hope. It’s possible that with counseling, education and gentle guidance from leftists you can overcome your crippling disability. I'm a socialist with a case hardened 'take no prisoners' attitude towards homohating and homohaters, especially the self-loathing homosexual lap dogs of the Tories. You may not be getting the point, Christina. As a rule, when I comment on GLBT affairs I’m regularly denounced by the New Cliveden Set – Twisted Sister, Vulpis pox, William the Dunce and Rob N – as a bolshie, a blackmailer, poor, without friends, illiterate and innumerate, unable to read or think, anti-English, anti-Catholic, islamist terrorist covered with zits and pustules and the worst breath on the planet. I think at one point I was also a plague vector.

They’re forced to make comments like that because they and their politics are bankrupt. I was waiting for more of the same. But I guess James was right – they’re leery of commenting on this.

I'm sorry to hear that you're a liberal, but don’t give up hope. It’s possible that with counseling, education and gentle guidance from leftists you can overcome your crippling disability.

I'm a socialist with a case hardened 'take no prisoners' attitude towards homohating and homohaters, especially the self-loathing homosexual lap dogs of the Tories.

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]]> By: Christina http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63333 Christina Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:30:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63333 Quote from Bill Perdue: "Denunciations of Bolshies in 5, 4, 3 ,2 …" Eh? How do you get to the conclusion that the comments you listed are by "Bolshies"? Just because we denounce fascist parties in Poland or the Tories in Europe for being homophobic? You obviously bought into the cold war rhetoric that people are either conservative/republican or communist. For what it is worth, you should be made aware there are lots of alternative ideologies and political parties. My own politics, for example, are Liberal. Quote from Bill Perdue: "Denunciations of Bolshies in 5, 4, 3 ,2 …"

Eh? How do you get to the conclusion that the comments you listed are by "Bolshies"? Just because we denounce fascist parties in Poland or the Tories in Europe for being homophobic?

You obviously bought into the cold war rhetoric that people are either conservative/republican or communist.

For what it is worth, you should be made aware there are lots of alternative ideologies and political parties. My own politics, for example, are Liberal.

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]]> By: Steven in Shanghai http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63277 Steven in Shanghai Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:59:24 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63277 I'm sorry but McMillan-Scott is totally trying to pander to gay voters. If he's soo supportive of gay rights why didn't he signed the petition to normalise gay marriage accross the EU? He's drumming up hype and publicity! I'm sorry but McMillan-Scott is totally trying to pander to gay voters. If he's soo supportive of gay rights why didn't he signed the petition to normalise gay marriage accross the EU?

He's drumming up hype and publicity!

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]]> By: Darrien http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63242 Darrien Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:24:22 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63242 I seriously don't think David Cameron or the upper echelons of the Conservative Party are homophobic. And I congratulate them on coming so far in their acceptance in such a relatively short time. Having said that, if the Conservatives in the UK really have become a party that wants to woo lgbt voters, they really need to start offering up a different policy on equality. Which, thus far, they haven't done. They've generally opposed lgbt issues (apart from some sterling work in committee defending civil partnerships). I realise and accept that most lgbt voters in the UK aren't single-issue voters, but that's the nature of most voters in the UK. However, Europe really reveals the schizophrenic nature at the heart of the Conservative Party. This story isn't actually about lgbt issues, it's about the Conservatives once again falling apart when it comes to the EU. I seriously don't think David Cameron or the upper echelons of the Conservative Party are homophobic. And I congratulate them on coming so far in their acceptance in such a relatively short time.

Having said that, if the Conservatives in the UK really have become a party that wants to woo lgbt voters, they really need to start offering up a different policy on equality. Which, thus far, they haven't done. They've generally opposed lgbt issues (apart from some sterling work in committee defending civil partnerships).

I realise and accept that most lgbt voters in the UK aren't single-issue voters, but that's the nature of most voters in the UK. However, Europe really reveals the schizophrenic nature at the heart of the Conservative Party.

This story isn't actually about lgbt issues, it's about the Conservatives once again falling apart when it comes to the EU.

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]]> By: Mihangel apYrs http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63232 Mihangel apYrs Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:27:15 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63232 On the PM programme this evening (16 July) they hd some reportage about this including some recordings of what the guy actually said. The toned down version used by his interpetor was offensive enough ("fags" and "queers"), I believe the actual Polish was worse. Now such insults don't affect me (and the slime did try to resile from them) but it's not terminology that a respectable politician should, and certainly worrying that a mainstream British party is aligned woth them On the PM programme this evening (16 July) they hd some reportage about this including some recordings of what the guy actually said. The toned down version used by his interpetor was offensive enough ("fags" and "queers"), I believe the actual Polish was worse.

Now such insults don't affect me (and the slime did try to resile from them) but it's not terminology that a respectable politician should, and certainly worrying that a mainstream British party is aligned woth them

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]]> By: moamaom http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63217 moamaom Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:48:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63217 @Abi1975 They aren't schizophrenic; the Conservative Party is anti-gay domestically as well. I don't know by what stretch of the imagination someone could believe the Tories are 'pro-gay' given most of their MP's voting record. @Abi1975

They aren't schizophrenic; the Conservative Party is anti-gay domestically as well. I don't know by what stretch of the imagination someone could believe the Tories are 'pro-gay' given most of their MP's voting record.

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]]> By: John (Derbyshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63209 John (Derbyshire Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:22:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63209 Will you all PLEASE PLEASE remember this at the next Election-when the Tories are portraying themselves as "gay friendly" with "no intention of bringing back Clause 28" Will you all PLEASE PLEASE remember this at the next Election-when the Tories are portraying themselves as "gay friendly" with "no intention of bringing back Clause 28″

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]]> By: Abi1975 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63208 Abi1975 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:20:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63208 Are the Conservative party and David Cameron schizophrenic as they seem to be pro-gay in the UK but Anti-gay in Europe. Are the Conservative party and David Cameron schizophrenic as they seem to be pro-gay in the UK but Anti-gay in Europe.

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63195 Eddy Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:19:53 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63195 James, don't challenge that Sinister Mary Clarence to come back, PLEAZE! Our energies are better used being constructive and supportive of each other rather than shouting down her outright Tory nonsense. James, don't challenge that Sinister Mary Clarence to come back, PLEAZE! Our energies are better used being constructive and supportive of each other rather than shouting down her outright Tory nonsense.

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]]> By: James http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63162 James Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:29:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63162 apologies for crappy typing, using my phone :-) apologies for crappy typing, using my phone :-)

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]]> By: James http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63160 James Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:27:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63160 Funny how those Tory trolls Sister Mary Clarence, Vulpus Rex and Rob N have been so quiet on these issues. Maybe their - 'Tories say its Ok to gay' and 'Tories are the only party fit for government' rhetoric falls flat when faced with evidence that Cameron doesn't give a fuck anout us and will get into bed with vie fascist homophobes to to consolidate his position. Its good some Tories like Macmillan-Scott have a conscience, unlike the snivelling, deluded gay-Tory apologists. Funny how those Tory trolls Sister Mary Clarence, Vulpus Rex and Rob N have been so quiet on these issues. Maybe their – 'Tories say its Ok to gay' and 'Tories are the only party fit for government' rhetoric falls flat when faced with evidence that Cameron doesn't give a fuck anout us and will get into bed with vie fascist homophobes to to consolidate his position. Its good some Tories like Macmillan-Scott have a conscience, unlike the snivelling, deluded gay-Tory apologists.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63144 Bill Perdue Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:46:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63144 Denunciations of Bolshies in 5, 4, 3 ,2 ... Denunciations of Bolshies in 5, 4, 3 ,2 …

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63142 Bill Perdue Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:44:23 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63142 You could reasonably argue that the Tories, who are centrist Thatcherites, probably aren't the <b>most</b> bigoted party. That title belongs to their cousins in the right Thatcherite BNP. The Tories are, however, the <b>largest party of bigots</b>. Cameron can always be counted on to accommodate and pander to rightwing bigots at home and in the EU. Cliveden set redux. It's what right wing swine do. You could reasonably argue that the Tories, who are centrist Thatcherites, probably aren't the most bigoted party. That title belongs to their cousins in the right Thatcherite BNP. The Tories are, however, the largest party of bigots.

Cameron can always be counted on to accommodate and pander to rightwing bigots at home and in the EU. Cliveden set redux. It's what right wing swine do.

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]]> By: PM http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63102 PM Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:18:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63102 Good for him, and especially good for highlighting once more where Conservative priorities lie when push comes to shove. Good for him, and especially good for highlighting once more where Conservative priorities lie when push comes to shove.

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63101 Eddy Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:18:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63101 If David Cameron is genuinely pro-gay he would have supported his fellow Tory instead of cuddling up in bed with his homophobic mates from the Polish hard right. If David Cameron is genuinely pro-gay he would have supported his fellow Tory instead of cuddling up in bed with his homophobic mates from the Polish hard right.

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63098 Eddy Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:09:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63098 Further proof that to be gay and Conservative, just like being gay and Christian, or gay and Muslim, is simply ill thought-out and foolish. The former is progressive and the latter harks back to everything anti-gay. Further proof that to be gay and Conservative, just like being gay and Christian, or gay and Muslim, is simply ill thought-out and foolish. The former is progressive and the latter harks back to everything anti-gay.

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]]> By: Christina http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63097 Christina Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:08:06 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63097 Good for McMillan-Scott for standing true to his principles and congratulations to him for being elected. The Tory party should get behind him now and sever their self-sabotaging associations with fascist parties in the European Parliament. Good for McMillan-Scott for standing true to his principles and congratulations to him for being elected. The Tory party should get behind him now and sever their self-sabotaging associations with fascist parties in the European Parliament.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63095 Simon Murphy Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:02:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63095 The Tories need to be told loud and clearly that by aligning themselves with homophobic extremists in the Law and Justice Party they are telling the gay community that they are still a party which tolerates and supports homophobia. Then again that should be a surprise to no-one. The Tories will abandon their alleged commitment to gay equality the second it is convenient for them. A gay person who votes Tory is an utter moron. The Tories need to be told loud and clearly that by aligning themselves with homophobic extremists in the Law and Justice Party they are telling the gay community that they are still a party which tolerates and supports homophobia. Then again that should be a surprise to no-one. The Tories will abandon their alleged commitment to gay equality the second it is convenient for them. A gay person who votes Tory is an utter moron.

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]]> By: Stuart Neyton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63092 Stuart Neyton Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:57:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13268.html#comment-63092 "leaving the group as the only one without a vice-president." This isn't true. The far left GUE/NGL group also doesn't have one. I don't usually have much time for tories, but Edward has been one of the strongest defenders, of all British MEPs, of human rights around the world, particularly in China. I hope the Conservatives in general reverse their decision to leave the EPP soon and condem the PiS's homophobic stance. "leaving the group as the only one without a vice-president."

This isn't true. The far left GUE/NGL group also doesn't have one.

I don't usually have much time for tories, but Edward has been one of the strongest defenders, of all British MEPs, of human rights around the world, particularly in China. I hope the Conservatives in general reverse their decision to leave the EPP soon and condem the PiS's homophobic stance.

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