Comments on: Archbishop of Canterbury expresses 'regret' over move to ordain gay bishops

Comments on: Archbishop of Canterbury expresses 'regret' over move to ordain gay bishops http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:46:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63068 Brian Burton Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:31:50 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-63068 Ted, I'm not a practising Christian, I'm really quite good at it now! You must have known some weirdos in your dealings with the Clergy etc. Christianity is what the individual makes it at the time. You do not have to go to Church to be a Christian or even a good person. The people we think are good, may infact be bad. The people we think are bad, may not be all bad. A famouse man once said: Life is like a sewer. It depends on what you put in it, as to what you get out of it! Ted,
I'm not a practising Christian, I'm really quite good at it now! You must have known some weirdos in your dealings with the Clergy etc. Christianity is what the individual makes it at the time. You do not have to go to Church to be a Christian or even a good person. The people we think are good, may infact be bad. The people we think are bad, may not be all bad. A famouse man once said: Life is like a sewer. It depends on what you put in it, as to what you get out of it!

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]]> By: Ted http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-63017 Ted Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:54:38 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-63017 The practising christians I have know are superficially nice, in a way that suggests they are following orders. Under this rather strained niceness they seem to seethe with a mixture of smugness and bitterness against those they disapprove of and often against each other. The practising christians I have know are superficially nice, in a way that suggests they are following orders. Under this rather strained niceness they seem to seethe with a mixture of smugness and bitterness against those they disapprove of and often against each other.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62986 Brian Burton Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:36:10 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62986 I have an idea that Archbishop williams really did not want to decent! I know he did and thats that. But reading between the lines. I think he is going to work, slow but sure, toward trying to get the rest of the 'nasties' on the side of common sence. This is the first positive thing anyone has said about Williams on these threads. I think he is made of sterner stuff than we imagine! I have an idea that Archbishop williams really did not want to decent! I know he did and thats that. But reading between the lines. I think he is going to work, slow but sure, toward trying to get the rest of the 'nasties' on the side of common sence. This is the first positive thing anyone has said about Williams on these threads. I think he is made of sterner stuff than we imagine!

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]]> By: Mike http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62692 Mike Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:01:53 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62692 Steven; here here! Steven; here here!

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]]> By: steven http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62632 steven Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:36:15 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62632 it's really sad that, since becoming Archbishop, Williams has not demonstrated any leadership qualities. as others have said he is known to have liberal views on many issues yet these have now gone by the wayside. he is prepared to stand up to the disney culture but not to homophobia. it appears to me that the fundamental parts of the Anglican Communion are holding the rest of it to ransom unless their demands are met. Williams could show leadership here by naming what is happening and affirming the love of God for all people. it reminds me of that phrase when they came for the Jews, i didn't speak out..... hatred grows unless people have the courage to stand up and name it. Williams is missing a very strong opportunity here to demonstrate the faith he believes in. it's really sad that, since becoming Archbishop, Williams has not demonstrated any leadership qualities. as others have said he is known to have liberal views on many issues yet these have now gone by the wayside.

he is prepared to stand up to the disney culture but not to homophobia. it appears to me that the fundamental parts of the Anglican Communion are holding the rest of it to ransom unless their demands are met. Williams could show leadership here by naming what is happening and affirming the love of God for all people.

it reminds me of that phrase

when they came for the Jews, i didn't speak out…..

hatred grows unless people have the courage to stand up and name it. Williams is missing a very strong opportunity here to demonstrate the faith he believes in.

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]]> By: Mike http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62625 Mike Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:16:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62625 Dr Williams does not want to be the Archbish who was around when the second reformation happened (perhaps he thinks he might get his head chopped off?) Sadly for him, you can't hold back the tide of history! The Anglicans moved on and the RC Church remained the same and we had nearly 200 years of religious wars to see who was better at killing in the name of God; sound familiar???? Dr Williams does not want to be the Archbish who was around when the second reformation happened (perhaps he thinks he might get his head chopped off?) Sadly for him, you can't hold back the tide of history! The Anglicans moved on and the RC Church remained the same and we had nearly 200 years of religious wars to see who was better at killing in the name of God; sound familiar????

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]]> By: David North http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62619 David North Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:56:20 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62619 He's like an uber-camp Darth Vader with his face mask off. And behold his mighty golden saber, proud and erect with a knobbly bit on the end. He's like an uber-camp Darth Vader with his face mask off.

And behold his mighty golden saber, proud and erect with a knobbly bit on the end.

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]]> By: Bobbit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62618 Bobbit Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:23:44 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62618 This guy is an example of why God created death. So that the old stuck in the muds would be put out of commission, and moderninity would come to pass. Unfortunately God screwed up. The creeps die, but they get to pass their sicknesses to some of the future generation. This guy is an example of why God created death. So that the old stuck in the muds would be put out of commission, and moderninity would come to pass.

Unfortunately God screwed up. The creeps die, but they get to pass their sicknesses to some of the future generation.

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]]> By: Coemgenus http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62598 Coemgenus Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:49:30 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62598 But there are gay Bishops already, and have been from the very beginning. I don't understand, my head hurts ! But there are gay Bishops already, and have been from the very beginning. I don't understand, my head hurts !

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62594 Brian Burton Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:36:06 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62594 Dermot Dear Boy, Stranger things has happened! Like Saul of Tarsus on the road to Demascus. Simon Murphy reminds me regularly of his journy to Damascus. But at present, Simon reminds me of a petrified forrest. A forrest void of moisture ,dry, lifeless pointless but there. No offence ment Simon. Being a Christian, as you know, I pray for you regularly. I might call people a few names, but I do care about them. I offended your side-kick Eddy for some reason, talk to him will you Simon Dear--thanks. Dermot Dear Boy,
Stranger things has happened! Like Saul of Tarsus on the road to Demascus. Simon Murphy reminds me regularly of his journy to Damascus. But at present, Simon reminds me of a petrified forrest. A forrest void of moisture ,dry, lifeless pointless but there. No offence ment Simon. Being a Christian, as you know, I pray for you regularly. I might call people a few names, but I do care about them. I offended your side-kick Eddy for some reason, talk to him will you Simon Dear–thanks.

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]]> By: Dermot http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62592 Dermot Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:13:30 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62592 I agree with Brian Burton. Rowan Williams is trying too hard to keep sides together that really want nothing to do with each other anymore. If you recall, he himself has fairly liberal views about gay people, but is trying to be a leader over all these fundamentally disagreeing people at the same time, knowing that alienating one might cause a schism. A schism is already happening, and he's trying hard to keep the pieces together. It's a failing pursuit. I mean, how could anyone possibly get people like Akinola and Robinson to peacefully acknowledge and agree with each other? It's never going to happen. I agree with Brian Burton. Rowan Williams is trying too hard to keep sides together that really want nothing to do with each other anymore. If you recall, he himself has fairly liberal views about gay people, but is trying to be a leader over all these fundamentally disagreeing people at the same time, knowing that alienating one might cause a schism. A schism is already happening, and he's trying hard to keep the pieces together. It's a failing pursuit. I mean, how could anyone possibly get people like Akinola and Robinson to peacefully acknowledge and agree with each other? It's never going to happen.

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]]> By: Zeke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62569 Zeke Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:17:23 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62569 As a former Episcopalian I say SPLIT ALREADY. Cut the backwards, dark ages, homophobic, mysoginistic Mother Church of England free to wallow and die in their shameful ignorance. And thanks a whole hell of a lot Dr. Williams, you turncoat. You will forever be known throughout history as the Archbishop who sold his soul to the devil to appease the homophobes and haters. It is one bit of comfort to know that your shameful legacy will be eternal even as you will not be. As a former Episcopalian I say SPLIT ALREADY. Cut the backwards, dark ages, homophobic, mysoginistic Mother Church of England free to wallow and die in their shameful ignorance.

And thanks a whole hell of a lot Dr. Williams, you turncoat. You will forever be known throughout history as the Archbishop who sold his soul to the devil to appease the homophobes and haters. It is one bit of comfort to know that your shameful legacy will be eternal even as you will not be.

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]]> By: Bentham http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62568 Bentham Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:16:58 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62568 I do remember Williams as a breath of fresh air and a liberal-minded prelate. Also, I think his 'regret' is due to the invetable schism. He would look better in a plain pair or trousers and colourful summer shirt, perhaps a New York Yankees baseball cap, and a well trimmed beard. I do remember Williams as a breath of fresh air and a liberal-minded prelate. Also, I think his 'regret' is due to the invetable schism.

He would look better in a plain pair or trousers and colourful summer shirt, perhaps a New York Yankees baseball cap, and a well trimmed beard.

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]]> By: same http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62562 same Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:53:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62562 Rowan Williams is such a traitor. He has set aside his liberal personal views in order to try to appease the nasty side of the church to stop a split. The press have never picked up on the fact that Rowan Williams once went on a gay pride march and this is now a secret. It's time that was exposed so that people can see him for the hypocrite he is, and maybe it would force him to reveal his true opinions and offer some explanations for his behaviour. He should show a bit of backbone and stand up to the homophobes and tell them he doesn't want their hate in the church and they should bug off and join the Catholics! Rowan Williams is such a traitor. He has set aside his liberal personal views in order to try to appease the nasty side of the church to stop a split. The press have never picked up on the fact that Rowan Williams once went on a gay pride march and this is now a secret. It's time that was exposed so that people can see him for the hypocrite he is, and maybe it would force him to reveal his true opinions and offer some explanations for his behaviour. He should show a bit of backbone and stand up to the homophobes and tell them he doesn't want their hate in the church and they should bug off and join the Catholics!

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]]> By: Dave http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62558 Dave Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:42:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62558 "I am pleased that Archbishop Williams is not pleased about a moratorium on ordaining Gay Bishops." er, i think Williams favours the moratorium "I am pleased that Archbishop Williams is not pleased about a moratorium on ordaining Gay Bishops."

er, i think Williams favours the moratorium

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]]> By: Dave http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62547 Dave Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:56:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62547 Schisim sooner the better. Schisim sooner the better.

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]]> By: Keith http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62545 Keith Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:45:53 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62545 And what does Williams think Ramsay and Runcie were...? Keith. And what does Williams think Ramsay and Runcie were…?

Keith.

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]]> By: Keith http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62532 Keith Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:37:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62532 #2 David. I could not agree more..! What DOES he look like.? As in...'Wot yer like, you.! What does he THINK he looks like, more to the point; HE put it all on..! He looks like Bagpuss on a bad day..give us a break Bish..! How can he expect people to take him seriously dressed like that, these days..? Is it supposed to be power-dressing? Is it supposed to impress? It (he) just looks ridiculous, today. It belongs to an era before the 1914-1918 Great War. Silly hat; silly tat; and even sillier pronouncements. Keith. SALFORD. If I had any, I'd pull it out. #2

David.

I could not agree more..!
What DOES he look like.?
As in…'Wot yer like, you.!

What does he THINK he looks like, more to the point; HE put it all on..!

He looks like Bagpuss on a bad day..give us a break Bish..!
How can he expect people to take him seriously dressed like that, these days..?
Is it supposed to be power-dressing?
Is it supposed to impress?

It (he) just looks ridiculous, today.
It belongs to an era before the 1914-1918 Great War.

Silly hat; silly tat; and even sillier pronouncements.

Keith.
SALFORD.
If I had any, I'd pull it out.

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]]> By: Mal http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62531 Mal Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:18:58 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62531 The schism between progressive christianity and backward-looking conservative christianity is completely inevitable. Everyone wants schism from liberals to evangelicals. So why is Williams so despearate to avoid schism? Because if schism comes, disestablishment is sure to follow and therefore rob him of his raison d'etre. The schism between progressive christianity and backward-looking conservative christianity is completely inevitable. Everyone wants schism from liberals to evangelicals. So why is Williams so despearate to avoid schism? Because if schism comes, disestablishment is sure to follow and therefore rob him of his raison d'etre.

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]]> By: Martin - gay clergy spouse - C of E http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html/comment-page-1/#comment-62522 Martin - gay clergy spouse - C of E Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:08:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13219.html#comment-62522 What a silly statement, every time this man speaks out against gays in the church - he simply supports and patronises the homophobes that hide behind its alter cloths. This is even more offensive when those that are close to him know damnn well that Williams himself is in support of gay people, so why prat around supporting folk who are basically moralistic nazi's? When will the man wake up and recognise that the churhc is holding back society improvements and maturity, and not helping it. The churhc has proven too many tiems to the young people of the next generations that it is unfit to give moral and spiritual guidance to modern day society - so why should we waste time having the press report such twaddle from Williams, and Ratzinger as but two representatives of two antiquated and delapidated religious hatred institutions. MND What a silly statement, every time this man speaks out against gays in the church – he simply supports and patronises the homophobes that hide behind its alter cloths. This is even more offensive when those that are close to him know damnn well that Williams himself is in support of gay people, so why prat around supporting folk who are basically moralistic nazi's? When will the man wake up and recognise that the churhc is holding back society improvements and maturity, and not helping it. The churhc has proven too many tiems to the young people of the next generations that it is unfit to give moral and spiritual guidance to modern day society – so why should we waste time having the press report such twaddle from Williams, and Ratzinger as but two representatives of two antiquated and delapidated religious hatred institutions. MND

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