Comments on: Irish gays 'deserve marriage rights' claim campaigners

By: Brian Burton

Brian Burton — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:33:10 +0000

Simon,
I saw Martin Luther King give his 'I Have A Dream' speach when he first uttered the words all those years ago. My point is, you will see pigs fly before you can equate Black rights to Irish Gay Rights. Irish social politics run pretty close to Westminster's in the main, so to expect anything to happen over there different to London? I do'nt think so.

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By: w i l l

w i l l — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:51:16 +0000

"I hope this CP legislation is not enacted before that."

Well, I for one do.

Me and my partner need this legislation. Its not complete, or goes far enough. Be that as it may, if it's stopped, it will be years before anything comes around again like full marriage.

The key difference in the CP legislation, compared to "full" marriage, is the adoption area. I agree this is appalling.

However, all other marriage rights are included, and scrapping this legislation to push for full marriage with will not benefit any of the couples that need it, like me. Its arrogant and self serving to deny existing couples this legislation, regardless of how you feel about it. Not all of us want or need marriage to feel equal, but we do want the full equal legal rights.

So I for one think we take this, and keep the fight going. Its the path most other countries took to full marriage equality. Accepting CP is not saying you don't want full equality, its pragmatic. All the more so for people like me desperately need some legal protection where none currently exists.

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By: Simon Murphy

Simon Murphy — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:43:00 +0000

#7: Brian: "but like everybody else, you Irish will have to take what you are given and be thankful even for that."

So Brian, do you think the Black Civil Rights Movement in the US was a mistake and that black folks should have waited until the governor of Mississippi decided to end segregation?

Was the suffragette movement a mistake and should the women have meekly waited until men decided they were worthy of the vote?

If you believe that equality for any minority comes by meekly waiting for it then you truly are naive, misguided and quite possiblly thick.

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By: valerio

valerio — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:37:22 +0000

Brian, what is your problem?

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By: Brian Burton

Brian Burton — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:18:20 +0000

Sorry, but like everybody else, you Irish will have to take what you are given and be thankful even for that. 'You bunch of ungreatful Bastards' as RobN comments and I second!

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By: Simon Murphy

Simon Murphy — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:26:14 +0000

A very amusing situation at Dublin Pride today. The sun was shining. The party in the park after the parade had to be closed as it was at full capacity. Whenever the words 'civil partnership' were mentioned there were really loud 'BOOOOOOOO's'

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By: valerio

valerio — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:05:29 +0000

When do we fight the marriage battle over here in the UK? CPs are so 5 years ago!

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By: Robert, ex-pat Brit

Robert, ex-pat Brit — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:32:24 +0000

Tony, you're absolutely right, they are outdated. How much proof do we need…Holland, Belgium, Spain, Norway, Sweden, Canada and South Africa proved how unequal they were and so far, six states in the U.S. and growing. Proof positive if you ask me. CPs are not progressive but regressive, its another form of legal segregation, yet another regression. There is only ONE universal human relationship legally recognised throughout the world and that is MARRIAGE. Civil Partnerships and any other pseudo union will NEVER attain world recognition or stature. How many straights do you think would opt for a civil partnership if they were available to them?

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By: Tony

Tony — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:25:05 +0000

I hope the Irish government listens and full marriage rights will follow. CXivil partnerships are outdated- they were just a stepping stone to full equality.

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By: Simon Murphy

Simon Murphy — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:33:25 +0000

And tomorrow is Gay Pride Parade in Dublin and I'm going hooooooooooome for it. Hurrah! I bet there will be quite an angry demonstration as gay people are not happy about the new Inequality legislation

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By: Simon Murphy

Simon Murphy — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:24:59 +0000

The present coalition will be kicked out in the next election. I hope this CP legislation is not enacted before that. There is a better chance of full equality without Fianna Fail lying about some spurious need for a referendum.

I hope the gay voters remember how the Green Party betrayed them at the last election – promising to push for full equality and then rolling over like wimps and settling for 2nd best CP once in coalition

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