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		<title>By: Eddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you angling, Sister, for how I am in the flesh?  OK.  Here&#039;s your answer.  Guys who are not obsessed with the shallow and fickle are generally attracted.  They find me fun, serious, genuine, and an inspiration.  I have quite a string of wonderful friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you angling, Sister, for how I am in the flesh?  OK.  Here's your answer.  Guys who are not obsessed with the shallow and fickle are generally attracted.  They find me fun, serious, genuine, and an inspiration.  I have quite a string of wonderful friends.
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly he comes across people like you though Eddy and loses all faith in humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly he comes across people like you though Eddy and loses all faith in humanity.
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		<title>By: Eddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob Neal, in all sincerity I suggest you consider how many gay and/or lesbian people you personally know well who are teachers, lecturers, social workers, doctors, nurses, scientists, or writers or lawyers or activists etc.  Might it be that for whatever reason your social interaction may have been limited to only a rather shallow bunch of gay and lesbian people - who may indeed be part of the &quot;me, me, me&quot; section of society that you seem to be referring to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Neal, in all sincerity I suggest you consider how many gay and/or lesbian people you personally know well who are teachers, lecturers, social workers, doctors, nurses, scientists, or writers or lawyers or activists etc.  Might it be that for whatever reason your social interaction may have been limited to only a rather shallow bunch of gay and lesbian people &#8211; who may indeed be part of the "me, me, me" section of society that you seem to be referring to?
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		<title>By: Pumpkin Pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pumpkin Pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;RobN:-
[&quot;My failure in judgement?&quot; That&#039;s a bit rich and very presumptuous.]&lt;/B&gt;

You having bad judgement for 20 years is more presumptuous than every gay man in the western world being selfish scumbags for an entire generation (probably more)? Typical RobN &quot;logic&quot;.

&lt;B&gt;[Maybe if you don&#039;t like me, you can actually blame all the other selfish bastards out there that indirectly turned me into what I am now.]&lt;/B&gt;

This is quite possibly the most deliciously hilarious RobN-ism I have ever come across. It is entirely representative of your misanthropic, self-centred world-view, and I shall endeavour to bring it up where appropriate in future.

&quot;I&#039;m a homophobic, biphobic, transphobic, racist jackass, but don&#039;t blame me, blame the world that created me! Immigrants are all benefit-stealing criminals, but let&#039;s not blame their environment or circumstances, they love every second of it and they&#039;d do it again!&quot;

I shall continue to blame you for being the way you are, as others have gone through worse and not ended up hating the world. Say, if gay men made you hate them like this, how did bisexuals, lesbians, transsexuals and immigrants make you hate them? If you always held such unpleasant views of others, I can&#039;t imagine many decent people wanting to be in a relationship with you. If you only came to hold these views after your &quot;nastification&quot;, then why are you blaming all these other people for what the gay male community has supposedly done to you? No, I don&#039;t buy your story one bit, I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>RobN:-<br />
["My failure in judgement?" That's a bit rich and very presumptuous.]</b></p>
<p>You having bad judgement for 20 years is more presumptuous than every gay man in the western world being selfish scumbags for an entire generation (probably more)? Typical RobN "logic".</p>
<p><b>[Maybe if you don't like me, you can actually blame all the other selfish bastards out there that indirectly turned me into what I am now.]</b></p>
<p>This is quite possibly the most deliciously hilarious RobN-ism I have ever come across. It is entirely representative of your misanthropic, self-centred world-view, and I shall endeavour to bring it up where appropriate in future.</p>
<p>"I'm a homophobic, biphobic, transphobic, racist jackass, but don't blame me, blame the world that created me! Immigrants are all benefit-stealing criminals, but let's not blame their environment or circumstances, they love every second of it and they'd do it again!"</p>
<p>I shall continue to blame you for being the way you are, as others have gone through worse and not ended up hating the world. Say, if gay men made you hate them like this, how did bisexuals, lesbians, transsexuals and immigrants make you hate them? If you always held such unpleasant views of others, I can't imagine many decent people wanting to be in a relationship with you. If you only came to hold these views after your "nastification", then why are you blaming all these other people for what the gay male community has supposedly done to you? No, I don't buy your story one bit, I'm afraid.
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops - &#039;Is it&#039;</description>
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers for the comments apYrs.

Id it just me or has this thread gone a bit further off topic than they usually do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers for the comments apYrs.</p>
<p>Id it just me or has this thread gone a bit further off topic than they usually do
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am your hell on Earth.&quot;

Don&#039;t flatter yourself, twat. You are clearly in your own hell. And you&#039;re just not that fucking smart to be MY hell, you monotonous freak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I am your hell on Earth."</p>
<p>Don't flatter yourself, twat. You are clearly in your own hell. And you're just not that fucking smart to be MY hell, you monotonous freak.
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		<title>By: Rob Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda: Sorry love. I plan to be around a whole lot longer yet.
You really are the pits. That&#039;s why you deserve me.
I am your hell on Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda: Sorry love. I plan to be around a whole lot longer yet.<br />
You really are the pits. That's why you deserve me.<br />
I am your hell on Earth.
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well RobN, I&#039;d glad suffer a horrible dead if it meant not having to listen anymore the utter f--king nonsense of an unmitigated penis like yourself, cheers. With a bit of luck, you have it yourself, and we won&#039;t have to endure your painful bitching too much longer. We live in hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well RobN, I'd glad suffer a horrible dead if it meant not having to listen anymore the utter f&#8211;king nonsense of an unmitigated penis like yourself, cheers. With a bit of luck, you have it yourself, and we won't have to endure your painful bitching too much longer. We live in hope.
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		<title>By: RobN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda: Thanks bitch. I hope one of your best friends dies of a long, painful and contracted AIDS related death. Or possibly yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda: Thanks bitch. I hope one of your best friends dies of a long, painful and contracted AIDS related death. Or possibly yourself.
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have been with many hundreds of guys and NOT A SINGLE ONE has demonstrated any redeeming qualities.&quot;

Thats because YOU don&#039;t have any redeeming qualities, you naturally attract the same or encourage the same qualities in these people. The most obvious answer is that these people were alright blokes, but they just all though you were a complete and utter arsehole. 

All of us do, and we don&#039;t even know you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I have been with many hundreds of guys and NOT A SINGLE ONE has demonstrated any redeeming qualities."</p>
<p>Thats because YOU don't have any redeeming qualities, you naturally attract the same or encourage the same qualities in these people. The most obvious answer is that these people were alright blokes, but they just all though you were a complete and utter arsehole. </p>
<p>All of us do, and we don't even know you!
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RobN: &quot;I&#039;ve had men die in my arm&quot;

No doubt bored to death, or committed suicide, because they had to listen you your retarded bile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobN: "I've had men die in my arm"</p>
<p>No doubt bored to death, or committed suicide, because they had to listen you your retarded bile.
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, perhaps I have and would be sickened to read about that death posted on a site like this by someone who has trying to win an argument with a cheap below the belt attack.

Once again though, we&#039;re off topic and on Eddy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, perhaps I have and would be sickened to read about that death posted on a site like this by someone who has trying to win an argument with a cheap below the belt attack.</p>
<p>Once again though, we're off topic and on Eddy
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		<title>By: John K</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sister Mary Clarence . . . I really think that Eddys Testimony was to try and help RobN not win an argument. 

Eddy&#039;s Friend sounds like a wonderful individual, and when Eddy shared this with us this can only add to the importance, significance and memory of a life now lost. Far from a cheap attempt to win an argument, or deingration of a precious human life. Remembering those that have been lost is an important element of what is is to be human . . . perhaps you have never lost any one close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sister Mary Clarence . . . I really think that Eddys Testimony was to try and help RobN not win an argument. </p>
<p>Eddy's Friend sounds like a wonderful individual, and when Eddy shared this with us this can only add to the importance, significance and memory of a life now lost. Far from a cheap attempt to win an argument, or deingration of a precious human life. Remembering those that have been lost is an important element of what is is to be human . . . perhaps you have never lost any one close.
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apology accepted, however we&#039;ll have to disagree over Eddy trivalising the death of someone in the way he has (in my view)

I would also disagree that it provides strong evidence of anything, other than the fact that Eddy has crawled out of the gutter.  We have no idea whether the deceased was the kindest person in the world, or a complete shit.  Eddy is the only one here that knows that.  He used it in his argument precisely for this reason and because in view of the situation people would feel it inappropriate to argue the point in any details, because it is a sensitive subject.

Hence my view that using the death of a close friend to win an argument only goes to show what a contemptible individual he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apology accepted, however we'll have to disagree over Eddy trivalising the death of someone in the way he has (in my view)</p>
<p>I would also disagree that it provides strong evidence of anything, other than the fact that Eddy has crawled out of the gutter.  We have no idea whether the deceased was the kindest person in the world, or a complete shit.  Eddy is the only one here that knows that.  He used it in his argument precisely for this reason and because in view of the situation people would feel it inappropriate to argue the point in any details, because it is a sensitive subject.</p>
<p>Hence my view that using the death of a close friend to win an argument only goes to show what a contemptible individual he is.
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		<title>By: Suzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RobN, I think they call people like you misanthropes? anyway, you sound very depressed, sweetie. And I think you are projecting.  It looks like you have somehow managed to alienate everyone you have ever got near to. I&#039;ld love to help you and tell you what you are doing wrong but, hey, I haven&#039;t seen you in action - nor am I ever likely to.

Sister Mary Clarence, sorry if I got your words wrong but it looked pretty like you were fully agreeing with RobN about what Eddy was saying about his friend who was obviously loved by lots of people.  I don&#039;t think there was anything wrong in Eddy giving you that example to disprove what was being said.  In fact, I would say that having obviously just come from wherever and witnessing lots of people having celebrated a gay person&#039;s life, Eddy&#039;s example was pretty strong evidence that all gay people including lesbians are no way &quot;selfish bastards&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobN, I think they call people like you misanthropes? anyway, you sound very depressed, sweetie. And I think you are projecting.  It looks like you have somehow managed to alienate everyone you have ever got near to. I'ld love to help you and tell you what you are doing wrong but, hey, I haven't seen you in action &#8211; nor am I ever likely to.</p>
<p>Sister Mary Clarence, sorry if I got your words wrong but it looked pretty like you were fully agreeing with RobN about what Eddy was saying about his friend who was obviously loved by lots of people.  I don't think there was anything wrong in Eddy giving you that example to disprove what was being said.  In fact, I would say that having obviously just come from wherever and witnessing lots of people having celebrated a gay person's life, Eddy's example was pretty strong evidence that all gay people including lesbians are no way "selfish bastards".
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzy - no I didn&#039;t, what I said was ....

&quot;Eddy - surely the death of a close friend is a personal matter and its not appropriate for you to be using it as a weapon against someone on here in an argument.&quot;

And I stand by that.  I&#039;m sure the family and other friends of the deceased would be nothing short of delighted that Eddy has chosen to trivialise his death by roping him into an argument on here.  Its offensive, and however forthright or rude I or Rob can be, I think that shows an utter disrespect for the feelings of those close to the deceased.  Once again people are using these pages like they are a private little debating forum with no concern for who reads them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzy &#8211; no I didn't, what I said was &#8230;.</p>
<p>"Eddy &#8211; surely the death of a close friend is a personal matter and its not appropriate for you to be using it as a weapon against someone on here in an argument."</p>
<p>And I stand by that.  I'm sure the family and other friends of the deceased would be nothing short of delighted that Eddy has chosen to trivialise his death by roping him into an argument on here.  Its offensive, and however forthright or rude I or Rob can be, I think that shows an utter disrespect for the feelings of those close to the deceased.  Once again people are using these pages like they are a private little debating forum with no concern for who reads them.
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		<title>By: John K</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When are you going to stop blaming gay men and take a look at what you are doing in your relationships with them? 

If you constantly end up with bastards . . . what is it about you that needs to be a victim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are you going to stop blaming gay men and take a look at what you are doing in your relationships with them? </p>
<p>If you constantly end up with bastards . . . what is it about you that needs to be a victim?
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		<title>By: John K</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When are you going to stop blaming gay men and take a look at what you are doing in your relationships with them? 

If you constantly end up with bastards . . . what is it about you that needs to be a victim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are you going to stop blaming gay men and take a look at what you are doing in your relationships with them? </p>
<p>If you constantly end up with bastards . . . what is it about you that needs to be a victim?
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		<title>By: RobN</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John K: &quot;My failure in judgement?&quot; That&#039;s a bit rich and very presumptuous. Do you assume I just go out trying to find these arseholes? Well I can tell you now, I could randomly pick anyone in a bar, and guarantee they would turn out just the same. Trust me, I  know. I&#039;ve done it.

Like most people, I always retained a certain sense of hope and optimism, just on the vague chance that maybe I was wrong. Maybe I was going to the wrong places. Or the wrong chatrooms. Or the wrong classified ads. But after you&#039;ve been kicked in the nuts again... and again... and again.. you begin to form a conclusion. It&#039;s like continually sticking your finger in an electrical socket and wondering why it hurts, but trying once more just in case it may not hurt the next time.

I don&#039;t spout these comments off the top of my head as some sweeping generalisation. I have been with many hundreds of guys and NOT A SINGLE ONE has demonstrated any redeeming qualities. That&#039;s why I gave up even bothering ages back. I&#039;d rather be celibate and single than put up with that crap any more.

I don&#039;t deny I have an abrasive personality these days, but I was not always like that. Maybe if you don&#039;t like me, you can actually blame all the other selfish bastards out there that indirectly turned me into what I am now.

Anyway. Back to the plot. Gay men are selfish bastards. Particularly in Canterbury. Discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John K: "My failure in judgement?" That's a bit rich and very presumptuous. Do you assume I just go out trying to find these arseholes? Well I can tell you now, I could randomly pick anyone in a bar, and guarantee they would turn out just the same. Trust me, I  know. I've done it.</p>
<p>Like most people, I always retained a certain sense of hope and optimism, just on the vague chance that maybe I was wrong. Maybe I was going to the wrong places. Or the wrong chatrooms. Or the wrong classified ads. But after you've been kicked in the nuts again&#8230; and again&#8230; and again.. you begin to form a conclusion. It's like continually sticking your finger in an electrical socket and wondering why it hurts, but trying once more just in case it may not hurt the next time.</p>
<p>I don't spout these comments off the top of my head as some sweeping generalisation. I have been with many hundreds of guys and NOT A SINGLE ONE has demonstrated any redeeming qualities. That's why I gave up even bothering ages back. I'd rather be celibate and single than put up with that crap any more.</p>
<p>I don't deny I have an abrasive personality these days, but I was not always like that. Maybe if you don't like me, you can actually blame all the other selfish bastards out there that indirectly turned me into what I am now.</p>
<p>Anyway. Back to the plot. Gay men are selfish bastards. Particularly in Canterbury. Discuss.
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