Comments on: Gay postman awarded £2,400 by Royal Mail http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:29:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: blacko http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-59721 blacko Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:36:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-59721 I have the facts of the case monkeychops. Liam is not a stroppy git. The manager said these things in an official interview of a case in which Liam was not involved. he also signed them.In reply to Lee you may be interested to learn that Mr Taylor has not even been spoken to by anyone from Royal Mail let alone disciplined. In fact he has been promoted since the incident. I have the facts of the case monkeychops. Liam is not a stroppy git. The manager said these things in an official interview of a case in which Liam was not involved. he also signed them.In reply to Lee you may be interested to learn that Mr Taylor has not even been spoken to by anyone from Royal Mail let alone disciplined. In fact he has been promoted since the incident.

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]]> By: Ian Lyne http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-59413 Ian Lyne Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:18:58 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-59413 Hare Krishna. Hare Krishna.

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58744 RobN Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:59:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58744 er.. That's "Popinjay", I think you'll find. ;) er.. That's "Popinjay", I think you'll find. ;)

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58536 Brian Burton Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:16:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58536 RobN, I may not 'signify' but many of us have you in 'Perspective!!'you Popenjay prat! RobN,

I may not 'signify' but many of us have you in 'Perspective!!'you Popenjay prat!

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58421 RobN Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:23:08 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58421 Brian: Maybe, but at least we signify nothing with a dictionary. Brian: Maybe, but at least we signify nothing with a dictionary.

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]]> By: Monkeychops http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58335 Monkeychops Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:07:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58335 Indeed Brian, a bit like calling people chattering class wankers with no evidence to back up your claim. Plenty to say, but signifying nothing. Indeed Brian, a bit like calling people chattering class wankers with no evidence to back up your claim. Plenty to say, but signifying nothing.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58280 Brian Burton Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:46:04 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58280 YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF 'CHATTERING CLASS' WANKERS. PLENTY TO SAY BUT SIGNIFING NOTHING!!! YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF 'CHATTERING CLASS' WANKERS. PLENTY TO SAY BUT SIGNIFING NOTHING!!!

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58260 RobN Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:50:30 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58260 And there you go again Simon: Slandering people because you have no real facts to justify your arguments. All you do is reinforce why I despise types like you above all others. And there you go again Simon: Slandering people because you have no real facts to justify your arguments. All you do is reinforce why I despise types like you above all others.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58195 Simon Murphy Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:17:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58195 In the 1930's in Germany there were quite a few prominent gay members of the SS. That didn't stop Hitler sending thousands of gays to the camps and murdering the senior gay figures in the party. BNP supporters like RobN seem to think that his chosen party will support him if it gains power. Such idiocy. Then again it is RobN - a gay man so homophobic that he defends black people; jewish people; single parent families (all categories of people his neofacist views tell him to hate instinctively) over gay people. In the 1930's in Germany there were quite a few prominent gay members of the SS. That didn't stop Hitler sending thousands of gays to the camps and murdering the senior gay figures in the party.

BNP supporters like RobN seem to think that his chosen party will support him if it gains power. Such idiocy.

Then again it is RobN – a gay man so homophobic that he defends black people; jewish people; single parent families (all categories of people his neofacist views tell him to hate instinctively) over gay people.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58168 Robert, ex-pat Brit Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:29:15 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58168 And if Liam had called Taylor a "f-----g breeder", the shoe would be on the other foot. And if Liam had called Taylor a "f—–g breeder", the shoe would be on the other foot.

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58137 RobN Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:13:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58137 Tony: Well Colin Jackson didn't think he was. Now he's really upset and you will probably be hearing from his lawyers ;) Paul: "If the person that these comments found them offensive then it is a clear case of bullying." What utter crap! Just because you are so weak and feeble you can't take a bit of verbal stick once in a while, that's bullying is it? I call it the product of a pampered childhood. Bullying is when they wait outside for you and kick seven bells of crap out of you. Then you have reason to complain. Tony: Well Colin Jackson didn't think he was. Now he's really upset and you will probably be hearing from his lawyers ;)

Paul: "If the person that these comments found them offensive then it is a clear case of bullying."

What utter crap! Just because you are so weak and feeble you can't take a bit of verbal stick once in a while, that's bullying is it? I call it the product of a pampered childhood. Bullying is when they wait outside for you and kick seven bells of crap out of you. Then you have reason to complain.

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]]> By: Tony http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58111 Tony Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:14:26 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58111 Great to hear that a case of homophobic bullying in the workplace has been correctly resolved. This man should be proud of himself for standing up for himself. @John- What are you talking about? Colin Jackson IS gay. Great to hear that a case of homophobic bullying in the workplace has been correctly resolved. This man should be proud of himself for standing up for himself.

@John- What are you talking about? Colin Jackson IS gay.

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]]> By: John (Derbyshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58109 John (Derbyshire Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:55:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58109 Just cause someone`s "girly" doesn`t mean they are gay. Look at Colin Jackson-and he isn`t gay. Just cause someone`s "girly" doesn`t mean they are gay. Look at Colin Jackson-and he isn`t gay.

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]]> By: Monkeychops http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58102 Monkeychops Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:10:58 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58102 It's not right that these comments are made in a bullying manner, though it could also be possible that this postman was a bit of stroppy git always causing a drama. I'm definitely going to have search round for more facts on this case, just to see what really happened. The problem now is that everyone is offended by everything. Being told to pull your socks up at work is seen as bullying half the time. I get people at work claiming they're being victimised because the boss has told them they have done a crap job or that they aren't working hard enough. Not a big fan of crying when you've not been hurt. It undermines the more serious cases of abuse. If this case is as homphobic as it seems, then it will be diluted down because the other "victimisation" cases that incite ridicule have made people think that it's all just unnecessary whingeing. It's not right that these comments are made in a bullying manner, though it could also be possible that this postman was a bit of stroppy git always causing a drama. I'm definitely going to have search round for more facts on this case, just to see what really happened. The problem now is that everyone is offended by everything. Being told to pull your socks up at work is seen as bullying half the time. I get people at work claiming they're being victimised because the boss has told them they have done a crap job or that they aren't working hard enough. Not a big fan of crying when you've not been hurt. It undermines the more serious cases of abuse. If this case is as homphobic as it seems, then it will be diluted down because the other "victimisation" cases that incite ridicule have made people think that it's all just unnecessary whingeing.

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]]> By: Paul http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58068 Paul Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:24:49 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58068 If the person that these comments found them offensive then it is a clear case of bullying. And then Royal mail did not follow correct procedures, bearing in mind several years ago they did not take a bullying case seriously and the man committed suicide. Clearly these people, and the organisation, need to be taught that bullinging, and not dealing with it correctly, needs to be challanged and if that means hitting people where it hurts (in their pockets) then so be it. Personally I feel that Royal Mail should have faced a much stiffer fine as £400 to a business that large is not a big enough slap on the wrist for them. If the person that these comments found them offensive then it is a clear case of bullying. And then Royal mail did not follow correct procedures, bearing in mind several years ago they did not take a bullying case seriously and the man committed suicide.

Clearly these people, and the organisation, need to be taught that bullinging, and not dealing with it correctly, needs to be challanged and if that means hitting people where it hurts (in their pockets) then so be it.

Personally I feel that Royal Mail should have faced a much stiffer fine as £400 to a business that large is not a big enough slap on the wrist for them.

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58052 RobN Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:26:22 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58052 Brian: And this guy didn't? It's wankers like this that have created this litigious society today suing anyone and everyone they feel they can get away with. It is also why there are so many restrictions in employment law, health and safety and many other factors, because you step an inch out of line and the lawyers and ambulance chasers are at your throat. Brian: And this guy didn't? It's wankers like this that have created this litigious society today suing anyone and everyone they feel they can get away with. It is also why there are so many restrictions in employment law, health and safety and many other factors, because you step an inch out of line and the lawyers and ambulance chasers are at your throat.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58050 Brian Burton Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:17:50 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58050 RobN, You have to make a drama out of a small crisis. Good for you Liam and with you £2,400 quid, Buy RobN a gag! RobN,
You have to make a drama out of a small crisis. Good for you Liam and with you £2,400 quid, Buy RobN a gag!

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]]> By: Stevie C http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58017 Stevie C Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:57:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58017 as a a once off incident the language may be casually ignored, but how about on a day-today basis? never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. that way, if you disagree with him, he can't run after you. as a a once off incident the language may be casually ignored, but how about on a day-today basis? never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. that way, if you disagree with him, he can't run after you.

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-58010 RobN Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:21:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-58010 Taylor had referred to Black as “effeminate”, “girly”, “bitchy” and “pampered by his mother” Pathetic. Sticks and stones and all that. Maybe if he'd been called a "flaming shirtlifter" or something that actually implied he was a) homosexual, and b) the guy didn't like homosexuals. All he did was state pretty much what the guy probably was. It's a bit like calling a black man "coal-coloured" - it's not an insult, it's a statement of fact. Stop getting so worked up dear, it's only a sad old queen of a film director that won't admit he bats for the other side. Insult, or statement? You decide. Taylor had referred to Black as “effeminate”, “girly”, “bitchy” and “pampered by his mother”

Pathetic. Sticks and stones and all that. Maybe if he'd been called a "flaming shirtlifter" or something that actually implied he was a) homosexual, and b) the guy didn't like homosexuals.

All he did was state pretty much what the guy probably was. It's a bit like calling a black man "coal-coloured" – it's not an insult, it's a statement of fact.

Stop getting so worked up dear, it's only a sad old queen of a film director that won't admit he bats for the other side.
Insult, or statement? You decide.

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]]> By: Lee http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html/comment-page-1/#comment-57999 Lee Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:34:37 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12828.html#comment-57999 So why has Warren Taylor not been sacked by Royal Mail Had Taylor used derogatory language and discriminated against another worker because of their colour or religious beliefs Im sure the award would have been far greater and Royal Mail would have sacked Taylor, why are gay people still not afforded full equal treatment? Lee Well done to Liam Black for bringing the case. So why has Warren Taylor not been sacked by Royal Mail Had Taylor used derogatory language and discriminated against another worker because of their colour or religious beliefs Im sure the award would have been far greater and Royal Mail would have sacked Taylor, why are gay people still not afforded full equal treatment?

Lee

Well done to Liam Black for bringing the case.

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