Bipolar disorder by any chance Eddy?

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Working on your generally f*cked up logic though, you've made a statement that I have "made an outrageously exaggerated statement completely without grounds". Please prove that your statement is true by producing a list detailing the sexualities of every member of every Conservative association in the country, to prove what you say.

As you rightly point out, people can't come on here and make statements they can't substantiate, so producing the list should clarify things once and for all.

Twat!

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conservatives.com/Get_involved/Join.aspx

No point in just pissing all over everything, go and find out for yourself, then come back and tell me I'm wrong.

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Sorry, but have you got a screw loose? u said the Tory party is now "infested with us homosexuals". so did you mean it or not? is it based on reality or not? or do you just say anything that you would like to believe is true, as if it WERE true?

If you have no list of the homosexuals who "infest" (your word, not mine) the Tory part, then you can't make the claim – if you are sane, that is. But perhaps you're not. most of go through life assuming that the people we interact with ARE sane. I'm getting a strong feeling we should not assume that you are. In fact, i guess you've now proven quite clearly that you're not.

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Excellent analysis Robert. Were you quoting from the Guardian article that appeared on June 3rd entitled Anti-gay, climate change deniers: meet David Cameron's new friends?

Actually the Tories have a long standing relationship in the EU Parliament with some violently anti-GLBT folks, mostly in the former Warsaw Pact states. Cameron seems bent on finally ending the Tories relationship with right centrist parties and aligning with far right parties. That’s nothing new, they’ve been moving in that direction for a couple of years at least.

And just a little further to the right the BNP is playing footsie with the Kameradschaften of the German NDP and the Austrian FPO.

What's next, tea at Cliveden?

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No matter how nice David Cameron appears, and the openly gay Alan Duncan on his front opposition bench can be as nice as pie too, the actions again and again at grass roots tory level suggests they are anomalies rather than truly representing tory opinion.

There has always been an LGBT tory contingent; every mainstream political party has had an LGBT group from at least the early eighties. There are also homophobes in each of the main parties (see the support that was not given to Peter Tatchell by the labour party during his byelection defeat!).

How do we gauge the relevant proportions in each party? I would say by repeatedly engaging with your local canvassers and interrogating them all the time. Approach it as "what are you doing about these LGBT people?" and see which way they bite.

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Not so, claims somebody else, who just happens to be The Guardian's main competition: The Daily Mail quotes…."Just because Cameron and Poland's Krupa teamed up doesn't mean the British conservative hates gays and Jews! The paper claims: "The Guardian has said that Urszula Krupa, a back bench MP for that Party, had made anti homosexual remarks. The Guardian added that she had once worked for a Catholic radio station Radio Maryja, and that someone else who worked for the radio station, Jerzy Robert Nowak, had made anti semitic comments. This is carrying guilt by association to the level of farce. The newspaper also attempts to portray a Latvian party as being Nazi sympathisers because it has members who attend veterans' reunions for having fought against the Soviets during the Second World War. Initially they fought during the Nazi-Soviet pact but latterly in alliance with the Germans."

Now let's see what Cameron does once elected. To truly prove his commitment to equality, will he have the guts to take on the Poles and other right wing regimes in Europe for their appalling record on equality and do a better job than Blair or Brown? I doubt it.

Bill, good to see you back and thank you.

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The fact that you're aligning yourself with the Peoples Republic of Bill and his Trotsky revolution is evidence of your ineptitude and ignorance. He's living in a nuclear bunker somewhere in the early eighties and hasn't spoken to a real human being in years. He's about as relevant as you.

Twist and spin things as much as you want, (New) Labour is dead, unfortunately having taken the country down with them (again). I hope when they do come back they re-adopt the socialist principles they once valued. Maybe then a few, who jumped ship as they veered to the right, might actually start supporting them again.

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This is something fundamental that you need to get to grips with, Sister Mary, if any of your contributions to the discussions here are to be of ANY value.

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Howie, do you think it’ll take all of two years before the Tories begin to reverse pro-LGBT legislation? I think you’d be right about Twisted Sisters reaction to Tory betrayals if you assumed that Twisted Sister and other ‘gay’ Conservatives had the best interests of the GLBT communities in mind. But they very obviously don't. They and the Tories as a whole oppose legislation to advance our agenda, oppose asylum for gay and lesbian refugees and take the side of homophobes in their party and in society generally on every occasion.

That’s why Twisted Sister, instead of saying that the Tories are recruiting LGBT folks, say we ‘infest’ the party. Pro-LGBT parties wouldn't describe recruitment of GLBT folks as an infestation, but straight bigots and self-loathing types would and do exactly that.

Twisted Sister is wary of using the term bigot to describe bigots, willfully forgetful of history, including simply dismissing ‘minor’ items like Section 28. He’s quick to rush to the defense of openly bigoted Tories and unable to provide any shred evidence for his delusional claims that the central party of anti-GLBT bigots, the Tories, are 'infested' with GLBT folks.

Twisted Sister is a terrible spokesmodel for the Tories. Sooner or later they’ll figure that out and sack him.

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My question is still left unanswered, if you can find your way back there and give you sage opinion on the data I produced and the (obvious) reasons for the variance, I’ll happily provide some more.

I did say at the time, there was no point in swamping you with information that would be complicated to digest and comment on, but apparently a couple of questions from one survey seemed to result in overload.

Below is the link if you’d actually like to go back and offer a few pearls of wisdom:

pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12321.html#

As for the recent request for me to produce a list of the entire gay membership of each and every local Conservative association, how the fu*k would I have such a list?

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