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Just like we used to get in the Pink Paper from Jack Straw back in 96, wooing the gay vote but then once in power blocking repeal of section 28, pouring taxpayers money into defending the military ban in the european court, stonewalling on the age of consent and so forth.

Cameron and the new crop of Tory MPs they hope to have at the next election are sending people to make the right noises to us, but collectively they joined their party in response to its 1980s homophobic, section-28-passing, glory days. Just like the Labour MPs a generation before them who made all the right noises about social justice to get elected but who had joined 70s Labour when it was in government supporting the South African apartheid regime.

The Liberals are the only people to show any consistency on equality and diversity.

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Instead of attacking labour, perhaps you should ponder WHY people distrust Cameron? You assume EVERYBODY who criticises him is some kind of traitor to Britain (or as you define it, a labour voter). Your logic is flawed, which is good in a way since it shows up how weak your argument in favour of Cameron actually is.

Some totally anonymous liar (It was an MP, I think we all agree that liar is in the job description) dangles some vague non-substantiated promise and you immediately claim anyone who doubts this as true and solid fact is a labour voter and fifth columnist…

…are you really labourites trying to make the tories look repulsive enough we may actually turn back to Gordon Brown?

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That's really added to the debate

Wouldn't be the same on here without intuition and insight like yours.

If only you could bottle it, you'd make a fortune.

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Thanks for alerting us to this frantic threading from fanatics, and their relentless attacks on Adrian T . . . so when debate alludes them they think they can resort to homophobic abuse of Adrian T

When they call Adrian T a fairy they are calling ever one on these threads and this site a fairy . . .

This is war . . . solders please join the battle on the news article: “Faith schools to be allowed to tell pupils homosexuality is wrong”

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Don't you understand English?
AdrianT has been at it with Reality Check and Louise for days. It's two against one.
John K has just entered the thread, but we should all be there right now. We can continue this thread later.
PLEASE… go to the thread about 'Faith schools to be allowed to tell pupils homosexuality is wrong' and give Adrian a hand by distracting those two religious crackpots. They are relentless.

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The proof of the pudding will obviously be when they storm to power next year, unless of course Chancellor Brown invokes the Enabling Act, circumvents parliament and decrees that there won’t be a general election. Assuming that’s not the case, the Conservatives can start work re-building broken Britain.

As they do so, they will continue Britain’s membership of Europe and it will continue to adhere to the international treaties that have been signed that bind us to a commitment to equality for all Europeans.

When after a full term in government the Tories haven’t repealed laws providing equality for gay people, I wonder hope many how many of the blinkered, Labour-ite preachers of the end is nigh on here will have the bol**cks to stand up, apologies and admit they were wrong.

I’m guessing none. There will be some excuse, some reason – “oh they haven’t done it to us yet, but they’re going to”, “oh, well they can’t, but they would have it they could have”, “I never said that”.

If you take away the equalities legislation FORCED on us by Europe, what has Labour given the gay community – recession, debt, unemployment, instability, corruption, a failing health service (yes I know they created it but it didn’t give them the right to wreck it), huge increases in crime and untold other miseries.

To their credit they did spin a good yarn about who we should actually thank for a bit of equalities legislation.

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- Home secretary fiddles her expenses
- Lady Uddai fraudulently claims allowances for a flat she has never lived in
- Police kill innocent protestor
- government make it illegal to take photo of policemen
- they want to lock you up for 42 days without trial
- taxes off the scale
- Gordon has bankrupted the country and brough the economy to its knees
- Government routinely lie about performance statistics
- Government employees spread smear stories

The list could be long as you like, and unless you live in a special section of society that isn't hurt by all of the above then you have certainly been dumped on repeatedly by Labour, but are apperently too thick to see it.

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WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY ON OUR HANDS.

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE HAVE HEARD FROM ADRIAN T.

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING EVERYWHERE FOR HIM AND I JUST FOUND HIM.

HE IS ON THE ISSUE ENTITLED 'FAITH SCHOOLS TO BE ALLOWED TO TELL PUPILS HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG'

HE IS ALONE ARGUING WITH REALITY CHECK AND LOUISE AND THEY WILL NOT STOP HARRASSING HIM.

ADRIAN HAS BEEN AT IT FOR 3 DAYS….ALONE. HE IS PUTTING UP A GOOD FIGHT. I THINK HE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY YOU EDDY AND NEVILLE

PASS THIS MESSAGE ALONG.

I CONSIDER THIS AN EMERGENCY. RC AND LOULOU ARE RELENTLESS.

HE-E-E-E-E-E-E-LP !!!!!!!!!

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Vulpus, the Labour Government of recent years has NOT dumped on me at all.

Foxes love blood, don't they Vulpus! It's you, like the BBC's Nick Robinson, who simply wants to see the slaughter of Gordon Brown and the current governement. You've got bored. You want some bloodshed, and you'll incite a need for it in others by encouraging them to think they've been "dumped on". But I say, "No, no, no, Vulus_Rex! You are WRONG. We have not been dumped on!" We have, however, been dumped on in recent times by arrogant greedy city-based Tories, with second-homes, yachts galore, and bank accounts in tax havens!

Go sort your head out and stop baying for blood.

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Well that's an odd statement considering they havent even started yet.
If it all goes tits up tories get right wing and reactionary and like to give someone a good bashing.
Traditionally this was the gays among others.
So if it's not going to be gays……whose it going to be ?

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When you HAVE got real, you won't employ the word "venom" to refer to rightful demands for respect and dignity for gay and lesbian people.

The REAL underlying attitudes in this country to gays and lesbians is, for many, such an unpalatable truth, they prefer not to consider it. This is not surprising. Humanity prefers "comfort zone". Ryan, have you wantched "An Inconvenient Truth"? Do you accept that we are seriously fucking up the ecosystem which is Planet Earth? Or are you, like many others, thinking of where to book your next cheap package holiday via some air-polluting air-travel in some place in the sun?
Spain? Greece? Ah, relax on the beach, and think that life is hunky-dory! Are you AWARE that as we speak fishermen in Greece are dealing with the reality that MILLIONS of dead fish have been found in their waters in recent weeks? Why? Because farmers around the Med are fertilising like mad, as indeed we are here in the UK and in the USA, and it's all ending up in the sea, and encouraging the growth of dangerous fish-killing algae. You didn't know this, did you, Ryan? There's LOTS you don't know. You want to sip a drink and think all is dandy. It's so seriously NOT, my friend, in so many spheres, not just gay and lesbian rights.

Don't label all the truths that you don't wanna hear as "venom" and so justify closing your ears to it.

We need you on board!

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It is also sad that some appear locked in a passive/aggressive relationship with this goverment. Labour can dump on you again and again, yet one fondly remembered act of kindness will permit you to forgive any subsequent act of abuse – how tragic.

Clause 28 and the views of David Cameron on equality are in practice unimportant red herrings.

Fortunately some people can see a little bit further than some obscure 1980s legislation.

Sleaze, corruption, incompetence, dishonesty {fill in endless list of pejorative adjectives} – this is why Labour are going to get the kicking they so richly deserve.

Jean Paul – tu parles mon mobre (je triche un peu – je l'ai deja entendu).

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Richard wrote (Comment 32): "Sister Mary Clarence – the Roman Catholic Church is awash with gay people – where has that got them?" Brilliant point, Richard! Well done! This "Sister Mary Clarence" has so far lacked such perception. Yes, the Catholic Church IS awash with homosexuals (self-hating homosexuals generally, and all sorts of psycho-sexual fuck-ups) and surely even the blessed nun herself will acknowledge this – unless of course she is one herself? So if indeed the Conservative Party were now "awash" with gay men and women, which is NOT the case of course, it does not follow that Tory rule of gay and lesbian matters would be at all to our advantage.

Vulpus_Rex wrote (Comment 34): "[Section 28] was wrong, I'm glad it's gone, but I think 25 years later it's time to move on." LibDem MP Simon Hughes said much the same thing to me when several years ago I asked him why we should believe he was totally pro-gay when during the Bermondsey by-election many years before he actively SMEARED Peter Tatchell in the filthiest way as being unsuitable for election simply because Peter was gay. When people have proven to you that they will lie, deceive, and play dirty against gay and lesbian people, you are a completely utter blinkin' FOOL if you permit them to rebuke you with, "Oh, come on! Time has moved on!" TIME MOVING ON HAS GOT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Did we release Myra Hindley because "Time had moved on?" Have the media stopped mocking that other Tory Jeffrey Archer for his lies and deceit and period in jail because "Time has moved on"? Vulpus_Rex, you need to THINK and be far more wary. Start by contemplating nice little Chamberlain and his willingness to think that Hitler was really a good honest chap! Foxes like you should be wary of wolves, Vulpus!

Sr. M. Clarence wrote (Comment 30): "For those of us in London, we have a Conservative mayor. Has the sky fallen in? Have we all been shipped off to detention camps on the Isle of Sheppey? Electric shocks? Castration?" Sister, you cannot quash and neutralize discussions by introducing sheer ABSURDITIES. You follow The Pinks News avidly, I notice. You therefore appear to have completely forgotten the ceaselessly rolling catalogue Pink News tells us of affronts to the rights of gay and lesbian people to be treated with respect and dignity WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF LONDON. I suggest you have a little look back through the Pink News archives. And then if you think all is still nice and rosy, Sister, I suggest you've been down your knees for too long, slurping over that crucifix!

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No, Vulpus_Rex, the all-white-loving Christian-loving Queen-loving Tories will NOT be elected by "people from every walk of life who are sick to death of the most incompetent government in UK history" BUT by unthinking people from every walk of life who have been skilfully manipulated by those TV, radio, and newspaper journalists who are forever eager for news, for copy, for change and newness at whatever cost to integrity and virtue!

The BBC's public-school Machiavel Nick Robinson is currently the most prominent and visible player in this bid to malign our fine government and to create the excitement and mayhem which will lead to the drama of an entirely new cast . . . for him and his likes to then prey on and devour in similar fashion.

Nick Robinson and his crew are determined to bring Gordon Brown down and I believe it is because he IS a man of considerable integrity and he is a Scot. Public-school English boys smart every time they realise "their" country is being run by a Scot. They hate it. And Tories will play dirty to get rid of one who is not "one of us". (Remember Thatcher's key question? "Is he/she 'one of us'?")

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