Comments on: Scottish MPs condemn clergy for attacks on gay minister http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:26:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-52090 Brian Burton Fri, 08 May 2009 16:48:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-52090 Keith, Because You either fight or lay down and die as you have! Keith,
Because You either fight or lay down and die as you have!

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]]> By: Keith http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51880 Keith Thu, 07 May 2009 21:40:06 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51880 BRIAN BURTON. I agree wholeheartedly with you that 'ya-booing on the sidelines is less than useless..", Brian, but why do you advise Mr. Rennie to "...stay and fight them from the inside.."........? He wouldn't win; you will never win with a bigot especially with those who 'have heard God..God told me' Leave them to it. Let them drown in the selfsame shite that they spout from their daft gobs; life's too short and do we really need any more martyrs..? Keith. SALFORD BRIAN BURTON.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that 'ya-booing on the sidelines is less than useless..", Brian, but why do you advise Mr. Rennie to "…stay and fight them from the inside.."……..?

He wouldn't win; you will never win with a bigot especially with those who 'have heard God..God told me'

Leave them to it.
Let them drown in the selfsame shite that they spout from their daft gobs; life's too short and do we really need any more martyrs..?

Keith.
SALFORD

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]]> By: Rob Fox http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51839 Rob Fox Thu, 07 May 2009 17:21:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51839 SNP MSP Dave Thompson's education appears to be the 1st year of a degree in Gaelic - so he's hardly a theological authority in the Kirk! However, if we prefer that Kirk ministers keep their noses out of politics, then perhaps our politicians should also keep their noses out of the business of the Kirk - at least until the General Assembly has come to a decision on the issue. SNP MSP Dave Thompson's education appears to be the 1st year of a degree in Gaelic – so he's hardly a theological authority in the Kirk!

However, if we prefer that Kirk ministers keep their noses out of politics, then perhaps our politicians should also keep their noses out of the business of the Kirk – at least until the General Assembly has come to a decision on the issue.

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]]> By: AnthonyfromAyrshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51836 AnthonyfromAyrshire Thu, 07 May 2009 16:50:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51836 I'm not surprised by this latest development considering who funds the SNP, but it is worrying as they are the party in Government in Scotland. I'm not surprised by this latest development considering who funds the SNP, but it is worrying as they are the party in Government in Scotland.

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]]> By: AnthonyfromAyrshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51833 AnthonyfromAyrshire Thu, 07 May 2009 16:45:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51833 Remember,the SNP are the party of Government in Scotland and who are funded by a major homophobe, so I'm not surprised at this latest development. It still really annoys me, though, that people with this attitude can serve in any Parliament. Remember,the SNP are the party of Government in Scotland and who are funded by a major homophobe, so I'm not surprised at this latest development. It still really annoys me, though, that people with this attitude can serve in any Parliament.

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]]> By: AnthonyfromAyrshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51830 AnthonyfromAyrshire Thu, 07 May 2009 16:40:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51830 It seems that not all MSPs are decent enough people after all. I read in The (Glasgow) Herald today that MSPs are "split" over this matter. SNP MSP Dave Thompson, said: "I have no problem with people who have different beliefs or a different lifestyle. "I do believe, however, that once someone declares himself as a Christian that they should comply with the teaching of the Bible and that active homosexuality is incompatible with that teaching." It seems that not all MSPs are decent enough people after all. I read in The (Glasgow) Herald today that MSPs are "split" over this matter.

SNP MSP Dave Thompson, said: "I have no problem with people who have different beliefs or a different lifestyle.

"I do believe, however, that once someone declares himself as a Christian that they should comply with the teaching of the Bible and that active homosexuality is incompatible with that teaching."

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51804 Brian Burton Thu, 07 May 2009 15:13:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51804 Stay on the inside and fight them from the inside! Ya-Booing on the sidelines is less than usless Scott Rennie. Stay on the inside and fight them from the inside! Ya-Booing on the sidelines is less than usless Scott Rennie.

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]]> By: Riondo http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51786 Riondo Thu, 07 May 2009 13:49:08 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51786 Strange how Calvinists with a tradition of congregational democracy try to ditch it when their irrational prejudices are affronted! Strange how Calvinists with a tradition of congregational democracy try to ditch it when their irrational prejudices are affronted!

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]]> By: Keith http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51708 Keith Thu, 07 May 2009 07:37:03 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51708 ....So get out of the church and leave them to their own prejudices and mumblings and go and get a secular job; teach French or drive a bus or whatever else turns you on, as I said earlier. Or ... wholly embrace your Kirk and their dictats. You cannot serve two masters, Mr Rennie. Live YOUR life or you will find that a football, kicked around a pitch, has an easy time of it than you ever will. Keith SALFORD. ….So get out of the church and leave them to their own prejudices and mumblings and go and get a secular job; teach French or drive a bus or whatever else turns you on, as I said earlier.

Or … wholly embrace your Kirk and their dictats.

You cannot serve two masters, Mr Rennie.
Live YOUR life or you will find that a football, kicked around a pitch, has an easy time of it than you ever will.

Keith
SALFORD.

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]]> By: Keith http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51706 Keith Thu, 07 May 2009 07:29:41 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51706 None of the churches, because of the beliefs of many of their flocks, can fully observe the law of the land and so no man can serve two masters. Clergy should make up their minds and not go bleating to the law crying 'foul' when their elders or bishops, or whoever else religious authorities, lay down church law, canon law, the Q'ran and all the rest regarding the sexual mores of the individual citizen. The monarchy needs to come into the 21st century and dis-establish or simply 'go', and church and wider religious belief put firmly in its place, behind the nation's front doors, quiet and in private, like the bedroom. France has the right idea. No crucifixes. No prayer shawls and yomulkas. And no n'qabs nor j'llabas either. And no faith schools; very divisive, them! Keith. SALFORD. None of the churches, because of the beliefs of many of their flocks, can fully observe the law of the land and so no man can serve two masters.
Clergy should make up their minds and not go bleating to the law crying 'foul' when their elders or bishops, or whoever else religious authorities, lay down church law, canon law, the Q'ran and all the rest regarding the sexual mores of the individual citizen.
The monarchy needs to come into the 21st century and dis-establish or simply 'go', and church and wider religious belief put firmly in its place, behind the nation's front doors, quiet and in private, like the bedroom.

France has the right idea.

No crucifixes.
No prayer shawls and yomulkas.
And no n'qabs nor j'llabas either.

And no faith schools; very divisive, them!

Keith.
SALFORD.

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]]> By: Dave North http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51700 Dave North Thu, 07 May 2009 06:13:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51700 It amazes me how the press have painted it with the following headlines. "1 fifth of whatever oppose gay bishop, etc. etc." What about the 4 fifth's who didnt oppose. It amazes me how the press have painted it with the following headlines.

"1 fifth of whatever oppose gay bishop, etc. etc."

What about the 4 fifth's who didnt oppose.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51596 Brian Burton Wed, 06 May 2009 16:56:32 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51596 Anthony, You certainly misunderstood my posting, I thought I was being polite and curtious to you. Still genius is always misunderstood! Anthony,
You certainly misunderstood my posting, I thought I was being polite and curtious to you. Still genius is always misunderstood!

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]]> By: Ian Laughlin http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51586 Ian Laughlin Wed, 06 May 2009 16:31:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51586 If the right-wing are organising a petition to have Mr Rennie fired, then perhaps it is time to have an online petition in support of him. Worded correctly, it could permit both religious and non-religious people to sign and maximise signatures. Perhaps something along the lines of 'We deplore the attack by homophobes on the position and character of Rev Rennie and urge all authorities, religious and secular, to stand up against their camoaign of smear and intimidation. We urge the Kirk to allow a congregation to elect the candidate of its choosing". If the right-wing are organising a petition to have Mr Rennie fired, then perhaps it is time to have an online petition in support of him. Worded correctly, it could permit both religious and non-religious people to sign and maximise signatures. Perhaps something along the lines of 'We deplore the attack by homophobes on the position and character of Rev Rennie and urge all authorities, religious and secular, to stand up against their camoaign of smear and intimidation. We urge the Kirk to allow a congregation to elect the candidate of its choosing".

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]]> By: Bent Sauer(Denmark) http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51552 Bent Sauer(Denmark) Wed, 06 May 2009 15:03:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51552 Hmm - we are not going to Scotland this year(deerhunting) Hmm – we are not going to Scotland this year(deerhunting)

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]]> By: AnthonyfromAyrshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51539 AnthonyfromAyrshire Wed, 06 May 2009 13:42:05 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51539 Brian, I was not trying to calim that MSPs are more trustworthy or reputable than MPS, I think that all politicians are as bad as one another. I was just pointing out the difference between MPs and MSPs, just as there is a difference between an MP and a local Councillor, yet they would never be mixed up in news reports. You seem to imply that I'm an English-hating, Scottish Nationalist. I'm not, I'm in favour of the UK and I'm quite happy being British and Scottish. Brian,
I was not trying to calim that MSPs are more trustworthy or reputable than MPS, I think that all politicians are as bad as one another. I was just pointing out the difference between MPs and MSPs, just as there is a difference between an MP and a local Councillor, yet they would never be mixed up in news reports. You seem to imply that I'm an English-hating, Scottish Nationalist. I'm not, I'm in favour of the UK and I'm quite happy being British and Scottish.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51532 Simon Murphy Wed, 06 May 2009 13:06:25 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51532 Scott Rennie is a member of a church which believes in 'god'. How on earth can he expect rational behaviour from a group of people who believe some nonsensical superstition. Scott Rennie is a member of a church which believes in 'god'. How on earth can he expect rational behaviour from a group of people who believe some nonsensical superstition.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51527 Brian Burton Wed, 06 May 2009 12:35:03 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51527 Anthony From Ayshire. Of course you are right about MSP/MP ecetera, MPs is MPs is MPs to me Anthony (hope that dos'nt sound pedantic either?) MPs reputations in Westminster had already gone down the pan years before their Expences Scam was exposed. But still, there are more important matters like Scott Rennie, we are still a United Kingdom. I have met (and made love to) many Scottish Lads in my former traveles and in the Military too! 'Slange' my friend. Anthony From Ayshire.
Of course you are right about MSP/MP ecetera, MPs is MPs is MPs to me Anthony (hope that dos'nt sound pedantic either?) MPs reputations in Westminster had already gone down the pan years before their Expences Scam was exposed. But still, there are more important matters like Scott Rennie, we are still a United Kingdom. I have met (and made love to) many Scottish Lads in my former traveles and in the Military too! 'Slange' my friend.

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]]> By: AnthonyfromAyshire http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51525 AnthonyfromAyshire Wed, 06 May 2009 12:06:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51525 I know I'm being really pedantic, but Members of the Scottish Parliament are MSPs, not MPs. The term "Scottish MPs" is usually used in the main stream media to describe Members at Westminster who represent Scottish constituencies, although technically this is also incorrect. A Scottish MP is any MP who happens to be Scottish including those who represent English constituencies such as Ian McCartney, Malcolm Rifkind or Liam Fox. I know I'm being really pedantic, but Members of the Scottish Parliament are MSPs, not MPs. The term "Scottish MPs" is usually used in the main stream media to describe Members at Westminster who represent Scottish constituencies, although technically this is also incorrect. A Scottish MP is any MP who happens to be Scottish including those who represent English constituencies such as Ian McCartney, Malcolm Rifkind or Liam Fox.

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]]> By: Will http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51523 Will Wed, 06 May 2009 11:58:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51523 "Christians", they never cease to amaze me by doing the exact opposite of what being a christian is supposed to be... they should re-brand themselves as "Hypocrites" as a more descriptive and accurate title. "Christians", they never cease to amaze me by doing the exact opposite of what being a christian is supposed to be… they should re-brand themselves as "Hypocrites" as a more descriptive and accurate title.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html/comment-page-1/#comment-51519 Brian Burton Wed, 06 May 2009 11:04:27 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12301.html#comment-51519 Well, there is hope for MPs yet! Support for Gay Minister Scott Rennie By 80% of the congregation and many MPs is just what Scott needs in order to 'thumb his nose' at his dissenters. Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or Nation. Well, there is hope for MPs yet! Support for Gay Minister Scott Rennie By 80% of the congregation and many MPs is just what Scott needs in order to 'thumb his nose' at his dissenters. Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or Nation.

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