Comments on: Rupert Everett: 'Gay men who have children are egocentric and vain' http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:08:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Rupert is a slag.. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-69433 Rupert is a slag.. Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:33:05 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-69433 Rupert : you're a bitter old queen.You open your mouth and say nasty,vile,bitter,mean,rude words. Climb back into your out of control ego,bitch, and be quiet. The gay movement is not all old queens. And if people want to have babies, that is THEIR decision. Just because you're not a nurturing person,don't judge others. No one cares what you think or say. You're a burned out,old,has been slag!!! Rupert : you're a bitter old queen.You open your mouth and say nasty,vile,bitter,mean,rude words. Climb back into your out of control ego,bitch, and be quiet. The gay movement is not all old queens. And if people want to have babies, that is THEIR decision. Just because you're not a nurturing person,don't judge others. No one cares what you think or say. You're a burned out,old,has been slag!!!

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]]> By: Lauren http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-56125 Lauren Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:34:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-56125 To be honest, although I love Rupert Everett and think hes a great actor, I wholeheartedly disagree with his statement, if a gay couple decide they want to use surrogacy and the option is there they are entitled to use it if they want to. Similarly, I my best friend is a gay man, and I myself am lesbian, and if we so decide to have a baby together in future, I believe that is our choice. As long as the love is there, and the child will be loved and cared for, thats all that matters To be honest, although I love Rupert Everett and think hes a great actor, I wholeheartedly disagree with his statement, if a gay couple decide they want to use surrogacy and the option is there they are entitled to use it if they want to. Similarly, I my best friend is a gay man, and I myself am lesbian, and if we so decide to have a baby together in future, I believe that is our choice. As long as the love is there, and the child will be loved and cared for, thats all that matters

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48996 Simon Murphy Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:02:37 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48996 Well they're not horrendous and vain as Everett says but no-one should be afraid of calling parenthood a selfish act. The UK and the world in general is massively overpopulated. Those who choose not to contribute to increasing the world population are the selfless ones. Well they're not horrendous and vain as Everett says but no-one should be afraid of calling parenthood a selfish act. The UK and the world in general is massively overpopulated. Those who choose not to contribute to increasing the world population are the selfless ones.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48995 Simon Murphy Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:59:45 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48995 "Does Everett think that infertile straights using artificial means to produce kids are 'horrendous' or 'egocentric and vain'? " Probably - but then he'd be 100% correct. Having a child whether you are gay or straight is a selfish act. There is no biological imperative that forces anyone to have children. Survival as an individual is not reliant on having reproduced. People have children becausd they want them. Not because they need them. "Does Everett think that infertile straights using artificial means to produce kids are 'horrendous' or 'egocentric and vain'? "

Probably – but then he'd be 100% correct.

Having a child whether you are gay or straight is a selfish act.

There is no biological imperative that forces anyone to have children. Survival as an individual is not reliant on having reproduced.

People have children becausd they want them. Not because they need them.

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]]> By: Riondo http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48976 Riondo Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:56:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48976 This is a distasteful outpouring of gay self-loathing projected onto others. Does Everett think that infertile straights using artificial means to produce kids are 'horrendous' or 'egocentric and vain'? And obsessions about how children are produced instead of concern about their quality of life when they are here is a classic example of missing the point. This is a distasteful outpouring of gay self-loathing projected onto others. Does Everett think that infertile straights using artificial means to produce kids are 'horrendous' or 'egocentric and vain'? And obsessions about how children are produced instead of concern about their quality of life when they are here is a classic example of missing the point.

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]]> By: Andy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48971 Andy Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:31:11 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48971 Michiel, if you read this... You are a sad prick making hideous generalisations. Michiel, if you read this… You are a sad prick making hideous generalisations.

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]]> By: Darren http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48967 Darren Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:17:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48967 I work in Soho and now the weather is on the sunny side - you always see this "sad middle class queen" still trying to carry a vest off walking down Old Compton Street trying to squeeze a little bit of attention from anyone who will look! He really should not have anymore surgery on his face. I think he's now one of those queens that has turned bitter! Please spare us your vest and over gymed pecs this summer please! I work in Soho and now the weather is on the sunny side – you always see this "sad middle class queen" still trying to carry a vest off walking down Old Compton Street trying to squeeze a little bit of attention from anyone who will look! He really should not have anymore surgery on his face. I think he's now one of those queens that has turned bitter! Please spare us your vest and over gymed pecs this summer please!

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48884 Brian Burton Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:26:23 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48884 Poor Rupert Everette looks a bit wild eyed in the Pink photogragh. I had put him on a pedistel previousley. Do all men run to their ruin? no one knows but thing are so. Poor Rupert Everette looks a bit wild eyed in the Pink photogragh. I had put him on a pedistel previousley. Do all men run to their ruin? no one knows but thing are so.

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]]> By: Iris http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48855 Iris Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:06:57 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48855 Re: 61 - Simon Murphy - thank you for explaining that. It does make me feel better and I understand now what you meant. I suppose all I meant was that I don't like allocating preferences to sexualities, if that makes any sense. The desire of a gay person to have a child (ignoring the biological problems) is something innate in them, and all I was trying to say was that wanting children isn't just the prerogative of straight people - although, yes, it's a hell of a lot easier! :D I don't like lumping people together or saying that somebody is less straight/gay/feminine/masculine/whatever because they do or want a certain thing. I've always wanted children and I consider that desire to be totally separate from my sexuality. I took your phrase hetero-normative in a more personal way, and I'm glad you explained what you meant because I can see it in a more objectively. I respect the fact that many gay people don't want children, but some do - a lot. Both are absolutely fine and both should be respected. I just want the choice and rights that straight would-be parents have, and the fact that gay would-be parents need medical intervention to have a child isn't that important to me because as many as one in six straight couples need help too. Again, thanks for taking the time to reply. :) Re: 61 – Simon Murphy – thank you for explaining that. It does make me feel better and I understand now what you meant. I suppose all I meant was that I don't like allocating preferences to sexualities, if that makes any sense. The desire of a gay person to have a child (ignoring the biological problems) is something innate in them, and all I was trying to say was that wanting children isn't just the prerogative of straight people – although, yes, it's a hell of a lot easier! :D I don't like lumping people together or saying that somebody is less straight/gay/feminine/masculine/whatever because they do or want a certain thing. I've always wanted children and I consider that desire to be totally separate from my sexuality. I took your phrase hetero-normative in a more personal way, and I'm glad you explained what you meant because I can see it in a more objectively. I respect the fact that many gay people don't want children, but some do – a lot. Both are absolutely fine and both should be respected. I just want the choice and rights that straight would-be parents have, and the fact that gay would-be parents need medical intervention to have a child isn't that important to me because as many as one in six straight couples need help too.
Again, thanks for taking the time to reply. :)

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48853 Eddy Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:47:52 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48853 RobN wrote: "Eddy: Is it necessary to shout?" Answer: "Yes, RobN, when there are dozens in the room and you wish to be heard. Think!" Love, Eddy. RobN wrote: "Eddy: Is it necessary to shout?"

Answer: "Yes, RobN, when there are dozens in the room and you wish to be heard. Think!"

Love, Eddy.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48838 Brian Burton Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:51:24 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48838 Now Michiel, you are treading on Dangerous ground when you say: Gays should not! Or even Gays should! I love the last words of anything and especially the beginning. Remember to be great is to be misunderstood. Now Michiel, you are treading on Dangerous ground when you say: Gays should not! Or even Gays should! I love the last words of anything and especially the beginning. Remember to be great is to be misunderstood.

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]]> By: liam http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48836 liam Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:43:02 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48836 i think the point he is making is that there are kids out there with no parents and its better to look after them than make new babies, i personally agree with him. i think the point he is making is that there are kids out there with no parents and its better to look after them than make new babies, i personally agree with him.

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]]> By: Michiel http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48832 Michiel Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:26:27 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48832 VERY good, I agree with him! Gays should NOT be allowed to adopt children Children need a MOTHER figure, a female. Gays will and do use children as a fashion accessory. VERY good, I agree with him!
Gays should NOT be allowed to adopt children
Children need a MOTHER figure, a female.

Gays will and do use children as a fashion accessory.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48828 Brian Burton Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:36:07 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48828 RobN, you are a Prince in disguise! RobN, you are a Prince in disguise!

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48827 Brian Burton Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:34:29 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48827 Eddy, and what do's Simon Murphy know about anything? Eddy, and what do's Simon Murphy know about anything?

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48824 RobN Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:15:07 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48824 Eddy: <b><strong> Is it necessary to shout?</strong></b> How egotistical is that? ;o) Eddy: Is it necessary to shout?
How egotistical is that? ;o)

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48821 Eddy Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:13:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48821 Simon Murphy wrote: "I accept that it may be a more difficult task to raise a child but it is by no means more worthwhile. Having a child does not give someone status as a person. Anyone who bases their self-worth on whether or not they have reproduced then their life must be pretty empty. Being childless is just as worthy as I'm sure you'll agree." Simon, I entirely agree that if an individual, or a pair or group of individuals, chooses to raise children the doing so does not confer any greater value upon them, the adults involved, than upon people who choose not to raise children. However, this is not the issue we are discussing issue here, Simon. We are discussing whether or not Everett is right in believing that '. . . gay men who father children and get married are "egocentric and vain".' In making this statement Everett is presumably implying that he, in not fathering children and not marrying a man, is NOT "egocentric and vain". His statement clearly attributes an EXCESS of egocentricity and vanity to gay men who father children and marry. But the truth is that any creative act, and even any destructive act, involves a degree of egocentricity and vanity. However, creative acts also involve many other impulses, for example the impulse to shape beauty (or ugliness), or the impulse to give comfort (or cause pain). Immature, shallow, and very selfish actor-boy Everett attributes no such positive impulses to gay men who wish to marry and/or father children. This is the point, Simon. All right. Do you understand, now? There ARE gay men and lesbians who involve themselves in creative acts, including the raising of children, for the positive opposites of egocentricity and vanity, i.e. to raise children in order to contribute, to nurture, and enhance their lives. Just as heterosexuals can give of themselves selflessly in their dedication to children, so too can homosexual men and women. Simon Murphy wrote: "I accept that it may be a more difficult task to raise a child but it is by no means more worthwhile. Having a child does not give someone status as a person. Anyone who bases their self-worth on whether or not they have reproduced then their life must be pretty empty. Being childless is just as worthy as I'm sure you'll agree."

Simon, I entirely agree that if an individual, or a pair or group of individuals, chooses to raise children the doing so does not confer any greater value upon them, the adults involved, than upon people who choose not to raise children.

However, this is not the issue we are discussing issue here, Simon. We are discussing whether or not Everett is right in believing that '. . . gay men who father children and get married are "egocentric and vain".' In making this statement Everett is presumably implying that he, in not fathering children and not marrying a man, is NOT "egocentric and vain". His statement clearly attributes an EXCESS of egocentricity and vanity to gay men who father children and marry.

But the truth is that any creative act, and even any destructive act, involves a degree of egocentricity and vanity. However, creative acts also involve many other impulses, for example the impulse to shape beauty (or ugliness), or the impulse to give comfort (or cause pain). Immature, shallow, and very selfish actor-boy Everett attributes no such positive impulses to gay men who wish to marry and/or father children. This is the point, Simon. All right. Do you understand, now? There ARE gay men and lesbians who involve themselves in creative acts, including the raising of children, for the positive opposites of egocentricity and vanity, i.e. to raise children in order to contribute, to nurture, and enhance their lives.

Just as heterosexuals can give of themselves selflessly in their dedication to children, so too can homosexual men and women.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48820 Brian Burton Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:06:45 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48820 BOYS,BOYS, really! you are putting on a screaming match for us poor creachers who just happen to be passing by at the time. Now you Popinjays of proes. The fact is that we might have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, but do we ever profit by it? BOYS,BOYS, really! you are putting on a screaming match for us poor creachers who just happen to be passing by at the time. Now you Popinjays of proes. The fact is that we might have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, but do we ever profit by it?

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]]> By: RobN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48816 RobN Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:17:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48816 egm: The quantity of gay men I have met, in proportion to straight people may be small in world terms, but like like any statistic, it is based on sample values, and considering the fact that in close to fifty years I have not found a single gay man on my travels that ever finally turned out to be anything else but a complete and utter shitbag tells me that even using statistical analysis, I think I may have a point somewhere. Oh, and all this crap about marginalising minorities, by that same token that should also apply to ethnics, disabled, elderly people, even women. Strange how I don't see all them moaning about all the inequality, whilst shagging unprotected behind their partners backs; And as for sub-groups, who came up with "clones", bears" "chicken" "queens" and all the other classifications gay men like to pigeon-hole each other? Sure as hell wasn't straight men. I've noticed that gay men always love to refer to the "gay community" when they collectively want something, but when they are attacked they claim it is a "sweeping generalisation", and that we are all individuals. If anyone is making generalisations here, it is yourself. egm: The quantity of gay men I have met, in proportion to straight people may be small in world terms, but like like any statistic, it is based on sample values, and considering the fact that in close to fifty years I have not found a single gay man on my travels that ever finally turned out to be anything else but a complete and utter shitbag tells me that even using statistical analysis, I think I may have a point somewhere.

Oh, and all this crap about marginalising minorities, by that same token that should also apply to ethnics, disabled, elderly people, even women. Strange how I don't see all them moaning about all the inequality, whilst shagging unprotected behind their partners backs; And as for sub-groups, who came up with "clones", bears" "chicken" "queens" and all the other classifications gay men like to pigeon-hole each other? Sure as hell wasn't straight men.

I've noticed that gay men always love to refer to the "gay community" when they collectively want something, but when they are attacked they claim it is a "sweeping generalisation", and that we are all individuals.

If anyone is making generalisations here, it is yourself.

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]]> By: egm http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48815 egm Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:59:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11954.html#comment-48815 Btw, I am sorry that you have found all the gay men you've come into contact with as being "wankers" but you really have met a small proportion in world terms. And maybe they felt the same about you. Btw, I am sorry that you have found all the gay men you've come into contact with as being "wankers" but you really have met a small proportion in world terms. And maybe they felt the same about you.

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