Comments on: Blair criticises Vatican on gay rights http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:27:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-49140 Brian Burton Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:59:56 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-49140 Bill Perdue, I take it you do'nt like Bill Clinton because of his Iraq stance and I can't say that I blame you. Iraq was just one small part of Bill Clinton's total Presedency. I Wonder what you would have done in his place? I am not American and the only President I ever cottoned to was Kennedy in the sixties. In Brittain Kennedy became the darling of the Tyneside Shipyard workers and thats no easy task! His wife Jakie was an Icon. I warmed to Bill Clinton when he freed from Prison a lot of people who were doing hard time for being 'Guilty By Association' American forms of Justice, to me have always been harsh and primitive. Bill Perdue, I take it you do'nt like Bill Clinton because of his Iraq stance and I can't say that I blame you. Iraq was just one small part of Bill Clinton's total Presedency. I Wonder what you would have done in his place? I am not American and the only President I ever cottoned to was Kennedy in the sixties. In Brittain Kennedy became the darling of the Tyneside Shipyard workers and thats no easy task! His wife Jakie was an Icon. I warmed to Bill Clinton when he freed from Prison a lot of people who were doing hard time for being 'Guilty By Association' American forms of Justice, to me have always been harsh and primitive.

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48942 Bill Perdue Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:31:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48942 @Jean-Paul - "(do you really know where Saddam's stockpile is situated?)." They're models made by Disney and DreamWorks kept in a bunker deep beneath CIA HQ. In terms of the roman cult they're hemorrhaging members and money in the US. Their seminaries graduate a few dozen annually and many nuns have admitted to a life time of cloistered lesbian relationships. Although far from death the roman cult is beginning to smell like a mischief of long dead rats. I’m lovin it. @ Dominick J. – I like most of you posts about strictly GLBT matters but I just have to wonder if you were off planet during the Clinton years. Clinton and his administration imposed an embargo on food, sanitary supplies and medicines on Iraq. Google Iraq Clinton embargo. There are dozens of articles condemning the embargo and lamenting it 500,000 dead, mostly children and babies. When Leslie Stahl of CBS’s Sixty Minutes asked if those deaths were worth it, Clinton’s Secretary of State Madeline Albright replied in the affirmative! Clinton is a mass murderer. It’ all there in the record Dominick, just read with partisan blinders. @Jean-Paul – "(do you really know where Saddam's stockpile is situated?)." They're models made by Disney and DreamWorks kept in a bunker deep beneath CIA HQ.

In terms of the roman cult they're hemorrhaging members and money in the US. Their seminaries graduate a few dozen annually and many nuns have admitted to a life time of cloistered lesbian relationships. Although far from death the roman cult is beginning to smell like a mischief of long dead rats. I’m lovin it.

@ Dominick J. – I like most of you posts about strictly GLBT matters but I just have to wonder if you were off planet during the Clinton years.

Clinton and his administration imposed an embargo on food, sanitary supplies and medicines on Iraq. Google Iraq Clinton embargo. There are dozens of articles condemning the embargo and lamenting it 500,000 dead, mostly children and babies. When Leslie Stahl of CBS’s Sixty Minutes asked if those deaths were worth it, Clinton’s Secretary of State Madeline Albright replied in the affirmative! Clinton is a mass murderer.

It’ all there in the record Dominick, just read with partisan blinders.

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]]> By: Codex http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48925 Codex Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:18:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48925 Great post Bill! The demonic, hollow-eyed Ratzinger has covered up for numerous Priests who have raped and buggered young boys with impunity for centuries. It is the nature of the repressed Catholic beast. Deny him his natural urges and he will seek to act them out with abandon, with the church altar boys making ripe pickings. Alongside his abhorrent stance regarding condoms in Africa, Ratzinger should be in the dock alongside Blair for his treacherous crimes against humanity. Great post Bill! The demonic, hollow-eyed Ratzinger has covered up for numerous Priests who have raped and buggered young boys with impunity for centuries. It is the nature of the repressed Catholic beast. Deny him his natural urges and he will seek to act them out with abandon, with the church altar boys making ripe pickings. Alongside his abhorrent stance regarding condoms in Africa, Ratzinger should be in the dock alongside Blair for his treacherous crimes against humanity.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48917 Brian Burton Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:55:52 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48917 Jean-Paul, Lawrence Of Arabia's 'Seven Pillars To Wisdom' Is a very good read. He describes his Rape by his captors in one of the chapters. My Partner and I visited Lawrence's grave in Dorcet UK. He was killed on his motocycle nere by. Buried in 1935 and we found fresh flowers and a card on the grave from Austrailia. By the second world war, An Americam living over here named Chips Channon said (as he traveled in the Middle East) the Lawrence Myth was exploded! Chips Channon married into the Guinnis Family, before that, he cruised Parisian Gay establishments. Jean-Paul, Lawrence Of Arabia's 'Seven Pillars To Wisdom' Is a very good read. He describes his Rape by his captors in one of the chapters. My Partner and I visited Lawrence's grave in Dorcet UK. He was killed on his motocycle nere by. Buried in 1935 and we found fresh flowers and a card on the grave from Austrailia. By the second world war, An Americam living over here named Chips Channon said (as he traveled in the Middle East) the Lawrence Myth was exploded! Chips Channon married into the Guinnis Family, before that, he cruised Parisian Gay establishments.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48906 Brian Burton Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:25:51 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48906 Jean-Paul I certainly did see 'VICTIM' at the Leister Square Odian in London. Then followed later 'Lawrence Of Arabia' at the same Cinima. Speaking of followed, after seeing Victim, I was alone in London and (I had just finnished my National Service) I was hungry for Love when I spotted a guy walking in the funniest fashion I had ever seen (mincing ofcourse) anyway I followed him at a discreat distance untill he disapeared into a building. I also went inside and I had found an Aladins cave of like-minded people. Being more up to date, have you seen Linus Roach in 'Priest?' It is very well worth seeing. It is about a Preist attemting to wrestle with his Homosexuality. It's the first movie I saw two men screwing. Jean-Paul I certainly did see 'VICTIM' at the Leister Square Odian in London. Then followed later 'Lawrence Of Arabia' at the same Cinima. Speaking of followed, after seeing Victim, I was alone in London and (I had just finnished my National Service) I was hungry for Love when I spotted a guy walking in the funniest fashion I had ever seen (mincing ofcourse) anyway I followed him at a discreat distance untill he disapeared into a building. I also went inside and I had found an Aladins cave of like-minded people. Being more up to date, have you seen Linus Roach in 'Priest?' It is very well worth seeing. It is about a Preist attemting to wrestle with his Homosexuality. It's the first movie I saw two men screwing.

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]]> By: Jean-Paul http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48903 Jean-Paul Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:47:29 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48903 Brian: I'll bet you were one of the first to see Dirk Bogart in «Victim», a historical moment in the British film industry. Brian: I'll bet you were one of the first to see Dirk Bogart in «Victim», a historical moment in the British film industry.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48898 Brian Burton Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:15:44 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48898 Jean-Paul, I was around when Wolfenden was deliberating on whether they should allow Homosexual acts in private between concenting adults. Three Men had been tried and Jailed for two years in the late 1950s. Lord Montague, Michael Pitt-Rivers and Peter wildblood. These Heros greatly helped to get the law changed when the fitst changes were introduced. One of the three was the first man in uk history to say in Court; 'I am a Homosexual.' Jean-Paul, I was around when Wolfenden was deliberating on whether they should allow Homosexual acts in private between concenting adults. Three Men had been tried and Jailed for two years in the late 1950s. Lord Montague, Michael Pitt-Rivers and Peter wildblood. These Heros greatly helped to get the law changed when the fitst changes were introduced. One of the three was the first man in uk history to say in Court; 'I am a Homosexual.'

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]]> By: Jean-Paul http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48865 Jean-Paul Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:11:09 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48865 @Bill Perdue: Your comments are priceless, and anyone who even knows about the effects of the French Revolution on the Catholic Church deserves a round of applause from where I'm sitting. Blair's remarks should have made headlines around the world. Unfortunately, you're right: his comments won't change anything; but as long as there is a chance of sensitizing people to our issue, it's worth a shot (do you really know where Saddam's stockpile is situated?). As for the clergy's sex abuse scandals, the play has not even reached the Intermission, let alone the Curtain. It has already cost the North American RC Church 2.6 billion dollars and has bankrupted at least 3 major dioceses. And American Catholics ain't pretty when they are furious, believe me. These criminals will end up in prison because anyone with something between their ears believes in liberty and justice for all. @Bill Perdue: Your comments are priceless, and anyone who even knows about the effects of the French Revolution on the Catholic Church deserves a round of applause from where I'm sitting. Blair's remarks should have made headlines around the world. Unfortunately, you're right: his comments won't change anything; but as long as there is a chance of sensitizing people to our issue, it's worth a shot (do you really know where Saddam's stockpile is situated?).
As for the clergy's sex abuse scandals, the play has not even reached the Intermission, let alone the Curtain. It has already cost the North American RC Church 2.6 billion dollars and has bankrupted at least 3 major dioceses. And American Catholics ain't pretty when they are furious, believe me.
These criminals will end up in prison because anyone with something between their ears believes in liberty and justice for all.

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48856 Dominick J. Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:32:59 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48856 Clinton?? Why Clinton? He didn't wage war on Iraq.. I certainly would along with Bush, Cheney, Powell, Blair and ADD Rice, & Rumsfield. But leave Clinton alone BOTH of them!! Clinton?? Why Clinton? He didn't wage war on Iraq.. I certainly would along with Bush, Cheney, Powell, Blair and ADD Rice, & Rumsfield. But leave Clinton alone BOTH of them!!

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]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48847 Bill Perdue Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:27:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48847 Tony Blair's comments are welcome only because they embarrass Papenfuhrer Josef Ratzinger and the cult of boy rapists he reigns over. If Blair thinks he’ll change the catholic cult he’s being especially clueless. 15 centuries of criminality disguised as ‘faith’ have proven that. As time passes the roman cult just gets worse while the world of rational people around it puts more and more constraints on them. It’s not as if these robed thugs wouldn’t like to treat us just like their cousins the ayatollahs. They would. But events, like seeing how efficient the anti-clerical ‘National Razor’ was during the French Revolution scared them. I hope Blair has no illusions that his comments will tone down catholic bigotry, but if he does I know the location of Saddam Hussein’s stockpile of nukes and other WMDs and I’ll be glad to sell it to him. I’ll even throw in the Brooklyn Bridge. We should demand life in prison for rapist priests and extradition of the bishops who fled to the Vatican to avoid prosecution as accessories to child rape. We should also demand the convening of an International War Crimes Tribunal to investigate the criminality of Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Powell, Blair and others in their governments responsible for the genocide in Iraq. Tony Blair's comments are welcome only because they embarrass Papenfuhrer Josef Ratzinger and the cult of boy rapists he reigns over. If Blair thinks he’ll change the catholic cult he’s being especially clueless. 15 centuries of criminality disguised as ‘faith’ have proven that. As time passes the roman cult just gets worse while the world of rational people around it puts more and more constraints on them.

It’s not as if these robed thugs wouldn’t like to treat us just like their cousins the ayatollahs. They would. But events, like seeing how efficient the anti-clerical ‘National Razor’ was during the French Revolution scared them. I hope Blair has no illusions that his comments will tone down catholic bigotry, but if he does I know the location of Saddam Hussein’s stockpile of nukes and other WMDs and I’ll be glad to sell it to him. I’ll even throw in the Brooklyn Bridge.

We should demand life in prison for rapist priests and extradition of the bishops who fled to the Vatican to avoid prosecution as accessories to child rape.

We should also demand the convening of an International War Crimes Tribunal to investigate the criminality of Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Powell, Blair and others in their governments responsible for the genocide in Iraq.

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]]> By: Jean-Paul http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-2/#comment-48788 Jean-Paul Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:31:05 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48788 As Adrian T. said: «Holy Tony For Pope». The idea that religious doctrines are meant to evolve as more and more is discovered about this tremendous reality we call «life» is the topic at hand, is it not? Think about it - doctrines regarding sex and homosexuality were chiseled in granite at a time when nobody knew the difference between a toenail and a chromosome, and certainly nobody had read the Wolfenden or Kinsey Reports. Blair is stressing a very important truth and many, many Catholic theologians and liberal-minded prelates agree with 100%. As Adrian T. said: «Holy Tony For Pope». The idea that religious doctrines are meant to evolve as more and more is discovered about this tremendous reality we call «life» is the topic at hand, is it not? Think about it – doctrines regarding sex and homosexuality were chiseled in granite at a time when nobody knew the difference between a toenail and a chromosome, and certainly nobody had read the Wolfenden or Kinsey Reports. Blair is stressing a very important truth and many, many Catholic theologians and liberal-minded prelates agree with 100%.

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]]> By: Jean-Paul http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48787 Jean-Paul Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:22:43 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48787 Actually, I liked Adrian T.'s first comment: «Holy Tony For Pope». At the moment I am less interested in checking out Tony's CV than in emphasizing his attitude that religious doctrines are meant to evolve as more and more is discovered about this tremendous reality we call «life». Think about it - some religious doctrines regarding sex and homosexuality were formulated at a time when nobody knew the difference between a toenail and a kidney let alone x and y chromosomes. And they hadn't read the Wolfenden or Kinsey Reports. Actually, I liked Adrian T.'s first comment: «Holy Tony For Pope».
At the moment I am less interested in checking out Tony's CV than in emphasizing his attitude that religious doctrines are meant to evolve as more and more is discovered about this tremendous reality we call «life». Think about it – some religious doctrines regarding sex and homosexuality were formulated at a time when nobody knew the difference between a toenail and a kidney let alone x and y chromosomes. And they hadn't read the Wolfenden or Kinsey Reports.

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]]> By: Jean-Paul http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48785 Jean-Paul Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:14:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48785 Actually, I liked Adrian T's first remark when we were all talking about the subject at hand: «Holy Tony For Pope» ! Personally, I'm less interested in checking out Tony's CV than confirming his attitude that religious doctrines were never meant to be chiseled in granite and that The Vatican should really review its teachings about homosexuality. Doctrines, like the people who wrote them, and that includes the Big Guy (or Gal), are meant to evolve as more and more is discovered about the tremendous mystery we call «life». Problems arise when we worship religion and its doctrines instead of using religions like fuel tanks to launch us into the spiritual realm... and I don't mean the twilight zone. It comes down to the Golden Rule, that's all. Of course political analysis, and the way they are expressed, are interesting. They are just beside the point at the moment. Actually, I liked Adrian T's first remark when we were all talking about the subject at hand: «Holy Tony For Pope» ! Personally, I'm less interested in checking out Tony's CV than confirming his attitude that religious doctrines were never meant to be chiseled in granite and that The Vatican should really review its teachings about homosexuality. Doctrines, like the people who wrote them, and that includes the Big Guy (or Gal), are meant to evolve as more and more is discovered about the tremendous mystery we call «life». Problems arise when we worship religion and its doctrines instead of using religions like fuel tanks to launch us into the spiritual realm… and I don't mean the twilight zone. It comes down to the Golden Rule, that's all. Of course political analysis, and the way they are expressed, are interesting. They are just beside the point at the moment.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48767 Brian Burton Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:26:22 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48767 Who Loves Ya Tony? I do: It is very curious the connection between Faith, Church and Politics. Who Loves Ya Tony? I do: It is very curious the connection between Faith, Church and Politics.

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48766 Dominick J. Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:49:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48766 Blair, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, Colin Powell!!! ALL need to be held accountable for the travesty they created on a Soverign Nation that was all Mouth and no action and NO threat to any one!!! Blair, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, Colin Powell!!! ALL need to be held accountable for the travesty they created on a Soverign Nation that was all Mouth and no action and NO threat to any one!!!

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]]> By: Dan http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48764 Dan Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:16:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48764 First useful thing he has done for us :) First useful thing he has done for us :)

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]]> By: vulpus_rex http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48747 vulpus_rex Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:53:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48747 I think the first thing David Cameron should do when he becomes prime minister next year is put Tony Blair on a plane to the Hague where he can be tried as a war criminal. Everyone else in the UK is subject to the rule of Law so I don't see why when he breaks international law at the behest of his master, Bush, he should be exempt. A previous commenter is correct, Blair doesn't have the blood of innocent Iraqis on his hands - he's up to his neck in it, drenched in the blood of 100,000 people - criminal. I think the first thing David Cameron should do when he becomes prime minister next year is put Tony Blair on a plane to the Hague where he can be tried as a war criminal.

Everyone else in the UK is subject to the rule of Law so I don't see why when he breaks international law at the behest of his master, Bush, he should be exempt.

A previous commenter is correct, Blair doesn't have the blood of innocent Iraqis on his hands – he's up to his neck in it, drenched in the blood of 100,000 people – criminal.

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]]> By: daniel http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48737 daniel Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:57:39 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48737 he may have been rightly criticised for his silly and inexplicable support of bush but at heart blair is one of the most liberal PMs uk has ever had and a brilliant politician. this statement is hugely significant. i have tried telling the same thing to the archbishop of dublin and found him strangely silent but not necessarilly hostile either. methinks there is significant division at senior church levels on this issue. time will tell but for now blair must be applauded for this statement as the vatican cannot so easily dismiss this VIP statement. he may have been rightly criticised for his silly and inexplicable support of bush but at heart blair is one of the most liberal PMs uk has ever had and a brilliant politician. this statement is hugely significant. i have tried telling the same thing to the archbishop of dublin and found him strangely silent but not necessarilly hostile either. methinks there is significant division at senior church levels on this issue. time will tell but for now blair must be applauded for this statement as the vatican cannot so easily dismiss this VIP statement.

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]]> By: Dominick J. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48727 Dominick J. Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:19:31 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48727 Thank you Jean-Paul. I think DIGNITY is a wonderful organization and our UCC church, here in N. California, honors Solidarity Sunday every year and have done so ever since our church went OnA a little over 10 years ago.. I will be sure to check out their website here for their 40th annual convention in "the CITY". It's not too far from us.. Blessings!! Thank you Jean-Paul. I think DIGNITY is a wonderful organization and our UCC church, here in N. California, honors Solidarity Sunday every year and have done so ever since our church went OnA a little over 10 years ago.. I will be sure to check out their website here for their 40th annual convention in "the CITY". It's not too far from us.. Blessings!!

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]]> By: AdrianT http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html/comment-page-1/#comment-48723 AdrianT Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:45:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11941.html#comment-48723 So, Vulpus-Rex, I hope you're also looking forward to ridding this country of the unelected, beaurocratic, very, very expensive royal family - personally I can't wait till that slobbering, uneducated, chinless Dauphin, charles takes over: 3 years will be enought for peiople to realise, we need to rid ourselves of this relic of feudalism. Actually, one of Blair's redeeming points was his decision to go into Iraq. Yes, it's 100% about oil. So what? We don't want the theocrats getting control of it. It's the parties of God, blowing eachother's mosques up, who have blood on their hands, not our forces. We need to take them on and eliminate them. It's them or us. So, Vulpus-Rex, I hope you're also looking forward to ridding this country of the unelected, beaurocratic, very, very expensive royal family – personally I can't wait till that slobbering, uneducated, chinless Dauphin, charles takes over: 3 years will be enought for peiople to realise, we need to rid ourselves of this relic of feudalism.

Actually, one of Blair's redeeming points was his decision to go into Iraq. Yes, it's 100% about oil. So what? We don't want the theocrats getting control of it. It's the parties of God, blowing eachother's mosques up, who have blood on their hands, not our forces. We need to take them on and eliminate them. It's them or us.

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