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Comments on: British Muslims who object to homosexuality could be classed as extremists http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:26:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jacob http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-73325 Jacob Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:13:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-73325 Well, all im sayng is that im glad about this LOL! Well, all im sayng is that im glad about this LOL!

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]]> By: KJN http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44705 KJN Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:10:25 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44705 "Islam is the ONLY one calling for the murder of gay people, jews and anyone else who offends its evil credo." said Joe Johnston. Sorry, mate, on this one they ALL have instructions to murder on the books - just try ploughing through "Leviticus" and you'll find the rules. They may be downplayed by the more sensible members of the cults - but they lurk there in the background, waiting for a crazy to hear "THE VOICE" telling him to purify the world. The whole heap of dusty text is dangerous and threatening - and I'd have the whole lot of 'em up in front of the bench as soon as they start threatening anyone's life. Who on earth do they think they are ?! "Islam is the ONLY one calling for the murder of gay people, jews and anyone else who offends its evil credo." said Joe Johnston. Sorry, mate, on this one they ALL have instructions to murder on the books – just try ploughing through "Leviticus" and you'll find the rules. They may be downplayed by the more sensible members of the cults – but they lurk there in the background, waiting for a crazy to hear "THE VOICE" telling him to purify the world. The whole heap of dusty text is dangerous and threatening – and I'd have the whole lot of 'em up in front of the bench as soon as they start threatening anyone's life. Who on earth do they think they are ?!

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]]> By: john sharp http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44235 john sharp Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:57:30 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44235 islam does not respect me as a gay i do not respect islam . islam advocates to kill gays . islam should be put to trial for inciting to hatred and banned till it sotp all this hate speech islam does not respect me as a gay
i do not respect islam .
islam advocates to kill gays .
islam should be put to trial for inciting to hatred and banned
till it sotp all this hate speech

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]]> By: Joe Johnston http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44218 Joe Johnston Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:14:19 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44218 If you're going to comment on this topic, stop pretending that any other religion is as bad as Islam. Islam is the ONLY one calling for the murder of gay people, jews and anyone else who offends its evil credo. Other religions are, of course, intolerant but murder? I don't think so. It's simple really - Islam is incompatible with democracy. If you're going to comment on this topic, stop pretending that any other religion is as bad as Islam. Islam is the ONLY one calling for the murder of gay people, jews and anyone else who offends its evil credo. Other religions are, of course, intolerant but murder? I don't think so. It's simple really – Islam is incompatible with democracy.

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]]> By: wossname http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44207 wossname Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:43:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44207 Since when is it ok to pillory someone through their disability? Gutless if nothing else. Since when is it ok to pillory someone through their disability? Gutless if nothing else.

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]]> By: Terry Floyd Johnson http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44184 Terry Floyd Johnson Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:54:27 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44184 This is more than hate, this is pedagoge hatred, that permeates the Muslim Islam jihads. These Muslims are due to be rewarded for their message of hate and death, whether male or female. They will find themselves in an area which reflects their madness, their insanity,their thirst for murder and death. These so called religious Islamics, who preach death and hatred, and inflame congregations, to commit murder, are inciting not only a riot, but wholesale murder. They must be brought to trial and kicked out of the country, so they can go back and be a burden on those countries who preach this criminal philosophy and murder oriented Muslim evangelism. This is more than hate, this is pedagoge hatred, that permeates the Muslim Islam jihads.

These Muslims are due to be rewarded for their message of hate and death, whether male or female. They will find themselves in an area which reflects their madness, their insanity,their thirst for murder and death.

These so called religious Islamics, who preach death and hatred, and inflame congregations, to commit murder, are inciting not only a riot, but wholesale murder. They must be brought to trial and kicked out of the country, so they can go back and be a burden on those countries who preach this criminal philosophy and murder oriented Muslim evangelism.

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]]> By: Hanan http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44168 Hanan Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:07:26 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44168 I am Muslim and straight and thought I would give my opinion... I think it is unacceptable that gay people should be abused (verbally or otherwise) because of their orientation. It is digusting that people (so-called religious leaders) are wasting their time and effort victimising people going about their own business when they could be helping to campaign for those locked up in Guantanamo or justice for Palestine instead. I don't believe it is a sin if someone is gay, that is the way God made them (in my opinion) and there are many muslim preachers who think so as well. Really, I think it is for God to judge us and we have no right to judge other people on the way they live their lives as long as they are not harming anyone. I am Muslim and straight and thought I would give my opinion… I think it is unacceptable that gay people should be abused (verbally or otherwise) because of their orientation.

It is digusting that people (so-called religious leaders) are wasting their time and effort victimising people going about their own business when they could be helping to campaign for those locked up in Guantanamo or justice for Palestine instead.

I don't believe it is a sin if someone is gay, that is the way God made them (in my opinion) and there are many muslim preachers who think so as well. Really, I think it is for God to judge us and we have no right to judge other people on the way they live their lives as long as they are not harming anyone.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44157 Robert, ex-pat Brit Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:42:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44157 Andrew, exactly. The law should be applied to every "cult" which is what they all are, christian, jewish or muslim. They all have their extremists and none should be exempt from prosecution. Cultist beliefs have no place in politics and should be confined to the home where they belong. After all, their's is a choice to believe, nobody comes into this world "religious", its all learned behaviour as is hate and bigotry of which they have vast experience and expertise. Andrew, exactly. The law should be applied to every "cult" which is what they all are, christian, jewish or muslim. They all have their extremists and none should be exempt from prosecution. Cultist beliefs have no place in politics and should be confined to the home where they belong. After all, their's is a choice to believe, nobody comes into this world "religious", its all learned behaviour as is hate and bigotry of which they have vast experience and expertise.

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]]> By: Ric http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44152 Ric Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:54:31 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44152 Lets have TRUE equality, don't late people hide behind religious doctrine in order to promote hatred. ANY hatred is wrong. Lets have TRUE equality, don't late people hide behind religious doctrine in order to promote hatred. ANY hatred is wrong.

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]]> By: Andrew http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44147 Andrew Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:13:44 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44147 IVAN - keep your "exceptional fool" comments to yourself, there's no need to be rude. What I meant was, if Muslims who object to homosexuality are defined as extremists under law, this ought to be applied to all religions as there are plenty of Christians who call for harsh punishments of LGBT people. I would not go as far as to call all religions "extremism" as I have plenty of friends who are Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, Christian, etcetera, who do not agree with their religions' backward teachings on homosexuality. IVAN – keep your "exceptional fool" comments to yourself, there's no need to be rude.

What I meant was, if Muslims who object to homosexuality are defined as extremists under law, this ought to be applied to all religions as there are plenty of Christians who call for harsh punishments of LGBT people.

I would not go as far as to call all religions "extremism" as I have plenty of friends who are Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, Christian, etcetera, who do not agree with their religions' backward teachings on homosexuality.

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]]> By: Rob Alexander http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44126 Rob Alexander Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:12:25 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44126 If this is to become law, it should cover all religions and not just Islam. That would of course include followers of Benedict XVI - whose homophobic rants do much psychological damage to many. If this is to become law, it should cover all religions and not just Islam. That would of course include followers of Benedict XVI – whose homophobic rants do much psychological damage to many.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44110 Robert, ex-pat Brit Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:34:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44110 AndySam, I totally agree. To think Geert Wilders is banned from entering the UK, far from an extremist either. Its beyond the doublestandard. As for the Pope.....this vile cultist is against any form of equality for gay people which runs contrary to the laws of the UK and elsewhere. His views are not reflective of British society and standards and as such he should be labelled an extremist. He's nothing but an agitator and a bigot of the worst kind. AndySam, I totally agree. To think Geert Wilders is banned from entering the UK, far from an extremist either. Its beyond the doublestandard. As for the Pope…..this vile cultist is against any form of equality for gay people which runs contrary to the laws of the UK and elsewhere. His views are not reflective of British society and standards and as such he should be labelled an extremist. He's nothing but an agitator and a bigot of the worst kind.

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]]> By: PleasedPerson http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44104 PleasedPerson Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:17:38 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44104 Very welcome news, for too long a blind-eye has been turned to the extreme homophobia from Islamic leaders. The "left-wing liberals" are only too happy to (rightly) criticise Christians expressing anti-gay hate but are often silent on the usually-much-worse homophobia from muslim preachers (e.g. calling for death). I believe the rise of Islamic influence in this country threatens to force gay rights a step backward (in the UK). Every islamic country criminalises homosexuality and some (e.g. Iran, Sudan etc) have the death penalty. I'm usually opposed to most of Labour's proposals but finally this is something sensible. I feel strongly about this issue because I have a friend who is...yes, gay and muslim, and I have seen first-hand the effect of the way his friends and entire community reacted when they found out he was gay. Those here who are against "demonising" the muslim community mean well but are wrong. I have several muslim friends (one gay, several straight) and many are nice people, but it cannot be denied that a large (larger than the general population) element of their community is extremely homophobic. You may defend their right to voice that hatred but trust me, they wouldn't defend anything for you and would gladly see gay rights removed altogether. This proposal is very welcome. P.S. Can anyone imagine an Islamic version of the "gay bishop" Gene Robinson lasting very long? Very welcome news, for too long a blind-eye has been turned to the extreme homophobia from Islamic leaders. The "left-wing liberals" are only too happy to (rightly) criticise Christians expressing anti-gay hate but are often silent on the usually-much-worse homophobia from muslim preachers (e.g. calling for death).
I believe the rise of Islamic influence in this country threatens to force gay rights a step backward (in the UK).
Every islamic country criminalises homosexuality and some (e.g. Iran, Sudan etc) have the death penalty.
I'm usually opposed to most of Labour's proposals but finally this is something sensible.
I feel strongly about this issue because I have a friend who is…yes, gay and muslim, and I have seen first-hand the effect of the way his friends and entire community reacted when they found out he was gay. Those here who are against "demonising" the muslim community mean well but are wrong. I have several muslim friends (one gay, several straight) and many are nice people, but it cannot be denied that a large (larger than the general population) element of their community is extremely homophobic. You may defend their right to voice that hatred but trust me, they wouldn't defend anything for you and would gladly see gay rights removed altogether. This proposal is very welcome.
P.S. Can anyone imagine an Islamic version of the "gay bishop" Gene Robinson lasting very long?

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]]> By: IVAN GUMILEV http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44103 IVAN GUMILEV Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:15:53 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44103 Andrew, you are an exeptional fool: its impossible declare all religions as extermism because all religions with its over 4 billions followers protected by the international law. Before saying any nonsense, study the international law. Andrew, you are an exeptional fool: its impossible declare all religions as extermism because all religions with its over 4 billions followers protected by the international law. Before saying any nonsense, study the international law.

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]]> By: IVAN GUMILEV http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44102 IVAN GUMILEV Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:08:05 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44102 "New plans to widen the definition of who is an extremist in the eyes of the British government could include Muslims who object to homosexuality." Nothing could be more idiotic then this "new plans". "New plans to widen the definition of who is an extremist in the eyes of the British government could include Muslims who object to homosexuality." Nothing could be more idiotic then this "new plans".

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]]> By: PleasedPerson http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44098 PleasedPerson Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:53:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44098 Excellent news. For too long this has been allowed to fly under the radar with many of the "left-wing liberals" only too happy to (rightly) criticise homophobic Christians but who then are silent on the usually-worse (i.e. calling for torture and death) homophobia from Muslim preachers. I believe the rise of Islamic influence in this country threatens to take gay rights backwards in the UK if it isn't stamped out. Every islamic country criminalises against gay people, including a small handful (e.g. Iran, Sudan etc) with the death penalty. I agree though that the law should apply to all religions. But I believe the more extreme and dangerous forms of religious homophobia IN THE UK are in Islamic cricles. Can you imagine a muslim version of gay Bishop Gene Robinson lasting very long? Why should an ancient cult dictate to people's lives in the 21st century? Very good news. P.S. Before anyone accuses me of "islamophobia" I have a friend who is....yes, gay and muslim. I feel so strongly about this issue because I have seen first-hand the effect on him from the sickening treatment he has received from their friends, family and entire community when they were "outed". Excellent news. For too long this has been allowed to fly under the radar with many of the "left-wing liberals" only too happy to (rightly) criticise homophobic Christians but who then are silent on the usually-worse (i.e. calling for torture and death) homophobia from Muslim preachers. I believe the rise of Islamic influence in this country threatens to take gay rights backwards in the UK if it isn't stamped out. Every islamic country criminalises against gay people, including a small handful (e.g. Iran, Sudan etc) with the death penalty. I agree though that the law should apply to all religions. But I believe the more extreme and dangerous forms of religious homophobia IN THE UK are in Islamic cricles. Can you imagine a muslim version of gay Bishop Gene Robinson lasting very long? Why should an ancient cult dictate to people's lives in the 21st century? Very good news.
P.S. Before anyone accuses me of "islamophobia" I have a friend who is….yes, gay and muslim. I feel so strongly about this issue because I have seen first-hand the effect on him from the sickening treatment he has received from their friends, family and entire community when they were "outed".

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]]> By: Vulpus_rex http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44090 Vulpus_rex Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:16:38 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44090 It is unfair to put the Pope in the same category as some of the more extreme Islamic religious leaders. I don't recall the Pope asking for gay people to be beheaded or thrown off cliffs. It is unfair to put the Pope in the same category as some of the more extreme Islamic religious leaders.

I don't recall the Pope asking for gay people to be beheaded or thrown off cliffs.

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]]> By: Andrew http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44087 Andrew Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:56:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44087 I should hope that the this definition of "extremism" does not just apply to Islam but all religion. It's all very well creating reactionism to Islam because it happens to be the "hot topic" of the moment - but inevitabley times will change and it will be some other religion causing problems. Most likely, an extreme form of Christianity. I should hope that the this definition of "extremism" does not just apply to Islam but all religion.

It's all very well creating reactionism to Islam because it happens to be the "hot topic" of the moment – but inevitabley times will change and it will be some other religion causing problems. Most likely, an extreme form of Christianity.

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]]> By: johnny http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44085 johnny Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:54:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44085 That gets my vote Simon, let's have equality for the bigots one in all in. That gets my vote Simon, let's have equality for the bigots one in all in.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44081 Simon Murphy Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:23:02 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11206.html#comment-44081 More hypocrisy here. The PM has invited the facist extremist Pope Ratyzinger to come visit. Are we meant to believe that Ratzinger is NOT an extremist. Having said that I am delighted that homophobic muslim preachers are to be deemed extremists. I hope all religious lunatics (Iris Robinson for example) are categorised in the same way. More hypocrisy here. The PM has invited the facist extremist Pope Ratyzinger to come visit. Are we meant to believe that Ratzinger is NOT an extremist.

Having said that I am delighted that homophobic muslim preachers are to be deemed extremists. I hope all religious lunatics (Iris Robinson for example) are categorised in the same way.

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