Comments on: Tatchell accuses Home Secretary of "gross hypocrisy" over ban on Dutch MP http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:26:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: johnny http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-44007 johnny Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:53:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-44007 It isn't Islamophobia to point out that Muslims are taught to hate gay people by their religious leaders on a daily basis, and a number of those religious leaders insist that it's ok to murder anyone who is. It isn't islamophobia to be gay and not want to have anything to do with such a religion, that's just good sense. There is no point in pretending that only some Muslims don't like gays, we have heard all that before from the Christians with there hate the sin love the sinner nonsense. This is a religion that executes people for being gay. What it all comes down to is that the religionists just don't like to have their ignorant hate charged beliefs shown up in big bold letters. Muslims don't like freedom of speech at all, and absolutely not for anyone who has a different opinion from them over their beliefs. The first reaction from Muslims is violence and mobbing should anyone say anything at all they take offence over. Gays are not free from criticism but they dont take to the streets looking to murder people who they imagine have criticised them. Teddy-bear anyone? It isn't Islamophobia to point out that Muslims are taught to hate gay people by their religious leaders on a daily basis, and a number of those religious leaders insist that it's ok to murder anyone who is. It isn't islamophobia to be gay and not want to have anything to do with such a religion, that's just good sense. There is no point in pretending that only some Muslims don't like gays, we have heard all that before from the Christians with there hate the sin love the sinner nonsense. This is a religion that executes people for being gay. What it all comes down to is that the religionists just don't like to have their ignorant hate charged beliefs shown up in big bold letters. Muslims don't like freedom of speech at all, and absolutely not for anyone who has a different opinion from them over their beliefs. The first reaction from Muslims is violence and mobbing should anyone say anything at all they take offence over. Gays are not free from criticism but they dont take to the streets looking to murder people who they imagine have criticised them. Teddy-bear anyone?

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]]> By: Hastobesaid http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43836 Hastobesaid Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:10:13 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43836 "Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell claims the government's refusal to ban musicians who promote homophobia was evidence of double standards." The only one with double standards is this Peter Tatchell. Why is Islamophobia part of freedom of speech and not homophobia? If one is allowed to attack Islam as they wish, then are homosexuality and gays free from criticism? Both Tatchell and Geert are acting like self-appointed freedom fighters, none have anything credible to say. "Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell claims the government's refusal to ban musicians who promote homophobia was evidence of double standards."

The only one with double standards is this Peter Tatchell. Why is Islamophobia part of freedom of speech and not homophobia? If one is allowed to attack Islam as they wish, then are homosexuality and gays free from criticism? Both Tatchell and Geert are acting like self-appointed freedom fighters, none have anything credible to say.

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]]> By: HH http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43834 HH Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:40:11 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43834 Gays always claimed others of being homophobes but they themelves treats others the same we. Just because we Muslims condemned some acts of others it doesn't mean that we preach it openly, on street or in the web-space (unfortunately, a few did and they're the bad seeds). This guy just clearly quoted parts of the Holy Quran that appealed to his objectives. I have gays & straights friends from all walk of lihe & it felt sick to read how much hatred the gays have towards us. Gays always claimed others of being homophobes but they themelves treats others the same we. Just because we Muslims condemned some acts of others it doesn't mean that we preach it openly, on street or in the web-space (unfortunately, a few did and they're the bad seeds). This guy just clearly quoted parts of the Holy Quran that appealed to his objectives. I have gays & straights friends from all walk of lihe & it felt sick to read how much hatred the gays have towards us.

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]]> By: john sharp http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43799 john sharp Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:55:12 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43799 wilders does not critisize the coran he marly states passages from the coran these are indeed hatefull wilders does not critisize the coran
he marly states passages from the coran
these are indeed hatefull

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]]> By: Galeex http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43710 Galeex Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:45:33 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43710 Another prime example of the current labour government's hypocrisy. He should be allowed into the uk he isn't inciting hate towards muslims. He is only expressing his views on certain passages in the koran. But those other guys the clerics and music artists that call for the deaths of all lgbt but why are they allowed in the country? The government has been bullied into submission by islamic extremists and they fear some kind of nationwide riot like the one in Denmark. Another prime example of the current labour government's hypocrisy. He should be allowed into the uk he isn't inciting hate towards muslims. He is only expressing his views on certain passages in the koran. But those other guys the clerics and music artists that call for the deaths of all lgbt but why are they allowed in the country? The government has been bullied into submission by islamic extremists and they fear some kind of nationwide riot like the one in Denmark.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43687 Robert, ex-pat Brit Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:41 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43687 As much as I don't like racists or homophobes, I support their right to freedom of speech, no matter how offensive and insulting it might be. Once we start curtailing speech, even hate speech, no matter how bad, we will find ourselves sliding down that slippery slope to fascism. Wilders should and must be allowed to enter the UK in the interests of democracy and EU membership. Socalled christian fundamentlists as well as islamic clerics in the UK are allowed to express their views, antigay views included, so what on earth could be wrong allowing Wilders to express an opinion about Islam? This is more than a doublestandard, its hypocrisy at its worst an government paranoia at best. As much as I don't like racists or homophobes, I support their right to freedom of speech, no matter how offensive and insulting it might be. Once we start curtailing speech, even hate speech, no matter how bad, we will find ourselves sliding down that slippery slope to fascism. Wilders should and must be allowed to enter the UK in the interests of democracy and EU membership. Socalled christian fundamentlists as well as islamic clerics in the UK are allowed to express their views, antigay views included, so what on earth could be wrong allowing Wilders to express an opinion about Islam? This is more than a doublestandard, its hypocrisy at its worst an government paranoia at best.

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]]> By: wossname http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43650 wossname Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:30:07 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43650 This chap was in the UK AT the Houses of Parliament attending some sort of do there, TWO weeks ago. If the powers that be thought it ok then, why have they changed their minds now? This chap was in the UK AT the Houses of Parliament attending some sort of do there, TWO weeks ago. If the powers that be thought it ok then, why have they changed their minds now?

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]]> By: Har Davids http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43645 Har Davids Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:05:41 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43645 I liven in Holland and when Fitna came out, not even our local Muslims were really bothered by it. Geert speaks on behalf of a small minority here and is considered by most level-headed people (and even Muslims can be just that) a joke. I liven in Holland and when Fitna came out, not even our local Muslims were really bothered by it. Geert speaks on behalf of a small minority here and is considered by most level-headed people (and even Muslims can be just that) a joke.

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]]> By: Richard http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43639 Richard Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:38:51 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43639 So it's up to Muslims who can and can't enter the UK? Disgraceful! Jacqui Smith's double standards make my blood boil. Hope everyone who disagrees with her decision will email her as well as posting messages here. I know I will. So it's up to Muslims who can and can't enter the UK? Disgraceful! Jacqui Smith's double standards make my blood boil. Hope everyone who disagrees with her decision will email her as well as posting messages here. I know I will.

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]]> By: ron753 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43635 ron753 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:52:58 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43635 This government is riddled with double standards. If you are wealthy tycoon (possibly a criminal) or a Saudi business man or prince (probably supporting militant Islam) you will get a visa to enter UK. If you a poor visitor from China or from a poor country your visa application will be refused (even if your are sponsored by a British citizen). This even applies to tourist applicants. If there is one thing New Labour worships it is it is wealth and privilege This government is riddled with double standards. If you are wealthy tycoon (possibly a criminal) or a Saudi business man or prince (probably supporting militant Islam) you will get a visa to enter UK. If you a poor visitor from China or from a poor country your visa application will be refused (even if your are sponsored by a British citizen). This even applies to tourist applicants. If there is one thing New Labour worships it is it is wealth and privilege

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]]> By: Geert http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43629 Geert Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:02:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43629 And Wilders hasn't made it far into the UK this afternoon: he is stopped by the Brittish immigration service at Heathrow and is now waiting there for a return flight to the Netherlands, he says. http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1916151/wilders-tegengehouden-door-britten.html And Wilders hasn't made it far into the UK this afternoon: he is stopped by the Brittish immigration service at Heathrow and is now waiting there for a return flight to the Netherlands, he says.
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1916151/wilders-tegengehouden-door-britten.html

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43624 Simon Murphy Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:38:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43624 Well I don't think muslims like to be reminded that Mohammed had paedophile tendencies (he married a 9 year old when he was 53). They get truly offended when reminded of that. Then again when you say 'Oh that doesn't mean that Mohammed was a paedophile - it just means that whoever created that fictional character had paeophile tendencies' they get even more offended. Strange! Well I don't think muslims like to be reminded that Mohammed had paedophile tendencies (he married a 9 year old when he was 53). They get truly offended when reminded of that. Then again when you say 'Oh that doesn't mean that Mohammed was a paedophile – it just means that whoever created that fictional character had paeophile tendencies' they get even more offended. Strange!

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]]> By: J Geetas http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43621 J Geetas Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:19:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43621 Well done Jacqui Smith for giving this man the publicity he probably did not deserve. However, well done Mr Wilders for reminding us that we have the right to be able to debate and comment on the philosophies behind not just Islam but all other religions too. Almost all of them contain concepts, which are vile and abhorrent whether their followers like it or not. Its rich the Islamist chanting fascist at Mr Wilders, when clearly they have little truck with anyone who questions the basis of some of the concepts contained in their creed. Using one’s brain as far as I am aware is actually frowned on in Islam. One can understand why! Well done Jacqui Smith for giving this man the publicity he probably did not deserve. However, well done Mr Wilders for reminding us that we have the right to be able to debate and comment on the philosophies behind not just Islam but all other religions too. Almost all of them contain concepts, which are vile and abhorrent whether their followers like it or not.

Its rich the Islamist chanting fascist at Mr Wilders, when clearly they have little truck with anyone who questions the basis of some of the concepts contained in their creed.

Using one’s brain as far as I am aware is actually frowned on in Islam. One can understand why!

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43614 Simon Murphy Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:52:13 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43614 I actually don't have a problem with with either Geert Wilders or the Pope being allowed into Britain. Both are insulting, stupid bigots but neither actually advocate violence against gay people or ethnic minorities. However Jamaican dancehall singers and facist imams who actually do advocate violence against gay people and non-muslims and woman ARE allowed in. It's a double standard. The only way it seems to change this double standard is to threaten violent protest when these homophobic morons come a calling. I actually don't have a problem with with either Geert Wilders or the Pope being allowed into Britain. Both are insulting, stupid bigots but neither actually advocate violence against gay people or ethnic minorities. However Jamaican dancehall singers and facist imams who actually do advocate violence against gay people and non-muslims and woman ARE allowed in. It's a double standard. The only way it seems to change this double standard is to threaten violent protest when these homophobic morons come a calling.

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]]> By: M Pryce http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43613 M Pryce Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:36:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43613 And Britain will welcome the Pope wih a red carpet whenever he wants, despites the hateful and insulting comments gays have to be hurt with hearing And Britain will welcome the Pope wih a red carpet whenever he wants, despites the hateful and insulting comments gays have to be hurt with hearing

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43611 Simon Murphy Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:37:31 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43611 Geert - most peoplem would defend his right to enter the UK and to speak. But the anger here is that the Home Secretary deems it unsafe to allow him to speak for fear of offending Muslims but totally ignores people like Bounty Killer who advocate the murder of homosexuals. I don't share Wilders' opinions about Muslim people. I do agree with him that islam itself is a stupid, ignorant, facist, undemocratic organisation (no different from chriatianity or judaism or hinduism in that respect) Geert – most peoplem would defend his right to enter the UK and to speak. But the anger here is that the Home Secretary deems it unsafe to allow him to speak for fear of offending Muslims but totally ignores people like Bounty Killer who advocate the murder of homosexuals.

I don't share Wilders' opinions about Muslim people. I do agree with him that islam itself is a stupid, ignorant, facist, undemocratic organisation (no different from chriatianity or judaism or hinduism in that respect)

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]]> By: Geert http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43610 Geert Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:26:47 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43610 He's not the leader of the VVD party, but the leader of the PVV (Partij voor de Vrijheid, Party for Freedom). The PVV has 9 MPs in the Dutch parliament. By the way, I (and many other Dutch people) find it ridiculous to deny him from going to the UK. I don't share his opinions about the islam, but banning someone for talking about a sensitive subject is beyond proportions. Geert (I only share his first name :p) He's not the leader of the VVD party, but the leader of the PVV (Partij voor de Vrijheid, Party for Freedom). The PVV has 9 MPs in the Dutch parliament.

By the way, I (and many other Dutch people) find it ridiculous to deny him from going to the UK. I don't share his opinions about the islam, but banning someone for talking about a sensitive subject is beyond proportions.

Geert (I only share his first name :p)

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]]> By: Vulpus_rex http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43609 Vulpus_rex Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:10:56 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43609 Yet more evidence of the stupidity and hyprocrasy of the expense cheating home secretary. Her craven supplication in the face of the threat of islamic violence is an outrage - she is there to protect freedom of speech and law and order not yield to bullies. She is effectively saying that foreign nationals can come to Britain, stand up in a mosque and preach death to homosexuals and because I'm not threating to bomb the mosque in return that's alright then. Good to know she's got her priorities right. Yet more evidence of the stupidity and hyprocrasy of the expense cheating home secretary.

Her craven supplication in the face of the threat of islamic violence is an outrage – she is there to protect freedom of speech and law and order not yield to bullies.

She is effectively saying that foreign nationals can come to Britain, stand up in a mosque and preach death to homosexuals and because I'm not threating to bomb the mosque in return that's alright then.

Good to know she's got her priorities right.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43604 Simon Murphy Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:33:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43604 I don't think it is appropriate for Wilders to be allowed into the UK - he is a borderline facist who is incredibly stupid; offensive and racist (but not towards his immigrant wife - when he speaks of closed borderd for the Netherlands he only means to North Africans). The film he made is called 'Fitna' and was a really nasty, cheaply made, cut and paste job whose sole intention to was to stir up conflict. However I am appalled that he gets banned while Bounty Killer is allowed in. I don't think it is appropriate for Wilders to be allowed into the UK – he is a borderline facist who is incredibly stupid; offensive and racist (but not towards his immigrant wife – when he speaks of closed borderd for the Netherlands he only means to North Africans). The film he made is called 'Fitna' and was a really nasty, cheaply made, cut and paste job whose sole intention to was to stir up conflict. However I am appalled that he gets banned while Bounty Killer is allowed in.

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]]> By: Natt http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html/comment-page-1/#comment-43599 Natt Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:03:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11132.html#comment-43599 Yet another appeasement of Islamic fascism. Yet another appeasement of Islamic fascism.

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