Comments on: Video: US "family values" group targets Pepsi's British gay advert http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: John http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42973 John Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:51:38 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42973 I actually find this quite homophobic! Look at the disgust of the friends faces!! Pepsi.. still playing too safe! I actually find this quite homophobic! Look at the disgust of the friends faces!! Pepsi.. still playing too safe!

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]]> By: James Whale http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42964 James Whale Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:31:15 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42964 http://www.britvic.com/pepsicontact.aspx Contact Pepsi UK and let them know you appreciate their stance on diversity - it's frequently the bigots who shout loudly, giving a distorted view of public opinion on issues like this; the moderate majority are too often silent. Send Pepsi positive feedback and urge them (unlike Heinz) not to bow to Christian pressure and to maintain their support of LGB people. http://www.britvic.com/pepsicontact.aspx

Contact Pepsi UK and let them know you appreciate their stance on diversity – it's frequently the bigots who shout loudly, giving a distorted view of public opinion on issues like this; the moderate majority are too often silent. Send Pepsi positive feedback and urge them (unlike Heinz) not to bow to Christian pressure and to maintain their support of LGB people.

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]]> By: Cal http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42934 Cal Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:38:57 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42934 Ugh, Republicans. Why is this kind of crap still legal? It's like listening to the BNP - not only am I astounded that such cretins exist, I remain acutely amazed that they choose to devote more time to organising boycotts than they do to thinking about the utter toss they stand for. Ugh, Republicans. Why is this kind of crap still legal? It's like listening to the BNP – not only am I astounded that such cretins exist, I remain acutely amazed that they choose to devote more time to organising boycotts than they do to thinking about the utter toss they stand for.

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]]> By: Andy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42933 Andy Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:50:36 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42933 I wonder how many AFA members know the stand of the Family Research Institute on sexuality. The FRI is the main source of "scientific" input into the AFA's work. Here is what they say about human sexuality (hetero or gay). "Reproductive Sex Is Necessary, But Personal Sexual Experience Is Not. Only a modest amount of sex between men and women is necessary for social functioning. Some is needed to produce children and, beyond that, to 1) keep married parents together for the rearing of their brood, and 2) build loyalties assuring that society will not have to care for the parents while at least one spouse is able to do so. From society’s perspective, non-marital sexual activities are either non-productive or harmful. Except for ‘producers’ and ‘nurturers’ of children, other sex is recreational. Indeed, since non-marital sex often results in problematic pregnancies or contributes to the spreading of disease, it is best repressed." I wonder how many good, pro-family Christians would indeed subsribe to that. They should know about it as this is actually from the FRI's pamphlet on strategy for the "Culture War": http://www.familyresearchinst.org/Default.aspx?tabid=145 I wonder how many AFA members know the stand of the Family Research Institute on sexuality. The FRI is the main source of "scientific" input into the AFA's work. Here is what they say about human sexuality (hetero or gay). "Reproductive Sex Is Necessary, But Personal Sexual Experience Is Not. Only a modest amount of sex between men and women is necessary for social functioning. Some is needed to produce children and, beyond that, to 1) keep married parents together for the rearing of their brood, and 2) build loyalties assuring that society will not have to care for the parents while at least one spouse is able to do so.

From society’s perspective, non-marital sexual activities are either non-productive or harmful. Except for ‘producers’ and ‘nurturers’ of children, other sex is recreational. Indeed, since non-marital sex often results in problematic pregnancies or contributes to the spreading of disease, it is best repressed."

I wonder how many good, pro-family Christians would indeed subsribe to that. They should know about it as this is actually from the FRI's pamphlet on strategy for the "Culture War": http://www.familyresearchinst.org/Default.aspx?tabid=145

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]]> By: Daniel http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42931 Daniel Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:10:56 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42931 I hate the ad, but kudos to Pepsi. I hate the ad, but kudos to Pepsi.

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]]> By: Colm Howard-Lloyd http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42930 Colm Howard-Lloyd Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:03:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42930 Ensuring equality and protecting people's rights is not a "culture war". The AFA are being highly devisive in using such a term to pressure corporations and media outlets into censoring any material that doesn't support their view that homosexuality should ve recriminalized. They are not fighting a war; they are a hate campaign. Ensuring equality and protecting people's rights is not a "culture war". The AFA are being highly devisive in using such a term to pressure corporations and media outlets into censoring any material that doesn't support their view that homosexuality should ve recriminalized.

They are not fighting a war; they are a hate campaign.

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]]> By: Flapjack http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42924 Flapjack Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:16:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42924 Actually on viewing the ad, I can see what Mike and scotsbam are talking about... it does look like the guy's mates think he suddenly turned into chopped liver the moment he started hitting on another guy. You'd think that would suit AFA's agenda down to the ground. Just goes to show that it's more the very existance of gay people they object to rather than mere context. Pepsi could try a bit harder if they're attempting inclusive advertising... Actually on viewing the ad, I can see what Mike and scotsbam are talking about… it does look like the guy's mates think he suddenly turned into chopped liver the moment he started hitting on another guy. You'd think that would suit AFA's agenda down to the ground.
Just goes to show that it's more the very existance of gay people they object to rather than mere context. Pepsi could try a bit harder if they're attempting inclusive advertising…

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]]> By: Scotsbam http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42899 Scotsbam Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:44:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42899 I agree with mike(above)about this advert. It's a bit school-boy humour about being gay i.e. that's it's something to be laughed at. Although this so called religious group do need to get a grip, what's their problem? I agree with mike(above)about this advert. It's a bit school-boy humour about being gay i.e. that's it's something to be laughed at. Although this so called religious group do need to get a grip, what's their problem?

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]]> By: Iris http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42896 Iris Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:17:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42896 What great and worthy Christians the AFA are! They devote every minute of their time to feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, helping the poor and....oh, no, wait! Silly me! They're too busy needless and irrationally persecuting LGBT people and spreading lies about the so-called 'culture war' and the 'homosexual agenda'. Viciousness, bigotry, hatred - all things that Jesus promotes - NOT! The AFA aren't, unfortunately, just harmless loonies, they're a well-organised bunch of obsessed bigots who've increased their interference in the UK a lot recently. Human beings displaying such pure HATRED for any group of people is frightening, and, in my opinion, pretty much psychopathic. What great and worthy Christians the AFA are! They devote every minute of their time to feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, helping the poor and….oh, no, wait! Silly me! They're too busy needless and irrationally persecuting LGBT people and spreading lies about the so-called 'culture war' and the 'homosexual agenda'.
Viciousness, bigotry, hatred – all things that Jesus promotes – NOT!
The AFA aren't, unfortunately, just harmless loonies, they're a well-organised bunch of obsessed bigots who've increased their interference in the UK a lot recently. Human beings displaying such pure HATRED for any group of people is frightening, and, in my opinion, pretty much psychopathic.

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]]> By: jeff http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42890 jeff Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:17:03 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42890 Big deal. Gay people exist. Get over it. SUCH a non-issue these days, man. Big deal. Gay people exist. Get over it. SUCH a non-issue these days, man.

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]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42888 Eddy Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:46:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42888 Sabotage this stupid homophobic boycott! Go to www.boycottpepsico.com and sign their petition in the following way: Give your first name as something like: Homosexuality is NORMAL Give your second name as something like: So GET USED TO IT! Fake any old US county, enter any 5 digits as your zip code, give a correct email address, and then submit. They'll send you an email to confirm. Make sure you click the link they send you. Let's sabotage this petition so very page of it has positive messages about homosexuality on it!!! Hee, hee, hee. Sabotage this stupid homophobic boycott!

Go to http://www.boycottpepsico.com and sign their petition in the following way:

Give your first name as something like: Homosexuality is NORMAL
Give your second name as something like: So GET USED TO IT!
Fake any old US county, enter any 5 digits as your zip code, give a correct email address, and then submit. They'll send you an email to confirm. Make sure you click the link they send you.

Let's sabotage this petition so very page of it has positive messages about homosexuality on it!!!

Hee, hee, hee.

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]]> By: mike http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42884 mike Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:10:26 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42884 His friends don't seem very happy to find out he's gay/bi. Strange they didn't already know. Look at the expressions of horror on their faces. Not a very positive advert, imo. His friends don't seem very happy to find out he's gay/bi. Strange they didn't already know. Look at the expressions of horror on their faces. Not a very positive advert, imo.

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]]> By: Riondo http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42883 Riondo Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:02:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42883 A predictable advert (guy fancying guy built up to as big surprise, gasp; it's also pretty sexist)really, but does anyone get the feeling that AFA wouldn't even have noticed this advert if it were just another offering about straight blokes trying to cop off with women in bars? And just what 'family values' as championed by AFA would that reflect? A predictable advert (guy fancying guy built up to as big surprise, gasp; it's also pretty sexist)really, but does anyone get the feeling that AFA wouldn't even have noticed this advert if it were just another offering about straight blokes trying to cop off with women in bars? And just what 'family values' as championed by AFA would that reflect?

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]]> By: Paul http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42878 Paul Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:19:27 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42878 Yay for Pepsi. About time a major company slammed the door into some homophobes face Yay for Pepsi. About time a major company slammed the door into some homophobes face

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]]> By: Boi Polloi http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42875 Boi Polloi Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:10:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42875 Kudos, PepsiCo, I was always a Pepsi drinker. You can see the original audio track on the video <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u9kVkoN_Kk" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>. Kudos, PepsiCo, I was always a Pepsi drinker.

You can see the original audio track on the video HERE.

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]]> By: Boi Polloi http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42874 Boi Polloi Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:08:44 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42874 You can see the video with the original audio here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u9kVkoN_Kk I was always a Pepsi drinker, now I think I'll drink more Pepsi in response to this. Kudos, PepsiCo! You can see the video with the original audio here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u9kVkoN_Kk

I was always a Pepsi drinker, now I think I'll drink more Pepsi in response to this. Kudos, PepsiCo!

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]]> By: Vo Dong Cung http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42865 Vo Dong Cung Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:24:07 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42865 Anyone who forces people following his way is not love but facist power. Anyone who hurts the others is not Son of God but Son of Satan Anyone who forces people following his way is not love but facist power. Anyone who hurts the others is not Son of God but Son of Satan

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]]> By: Outraged of Tunbridge Wells http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42861 Outraged of Tunbridge Wells Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:50:45 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42861 Good for PepsiCo! It's about time more companies stood up to this bullying. McDonalds take note. There are more gays than there are AFA members, so speak with your wallet. Good for PepsiCo! It's about time more companies stood up to this bullying. McDonalds take note. There are more gays than there are AFA members, so speak with your wallet.

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]]> By: Matty http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42860 Matty Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:17:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42860 Neutral in the "culture war" from the AFA most likely means no homosexuality in any advertisement, even that which is implied. In other words, if Pepsi were to be pro-hetero and feature lots of advertisements about boy/girl relationships this would be being neutral. I'd also suspect that if Pepsi were to show outwardly homophobic advertisements, that would also be deemed at neutral by the AFA. Neutral in the "culture war" from the AFA most likely means no homosexuality in any advertisement, even that which is implied. In other words, if Pepsi were to be pro-hetero and feature lots of advertisements about boy/girl relationships this would be being neutral.

I'd also suspect that if Pepsi were to show outwardly homophobic advertisements, that would also be deemed at neutral by the AFA.

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]]> By: Flapjack http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42858 Flapjack Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:11:10 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10966.html#comment-42858 "AFA asked Pepsi to remain neutral in the culture war. Pepsi refused." As far as I can see Pepsi complied with being neutral... i.e. it gave proportional representation to hetrosexual relationships and homosexual ones across a long roster of advertising campaigns. That sounds pretty neutral to me unless the AFA would prefer Gay people to be entirely airbrushed from culture in true Stalinist style. Oh wait... "AFA asked Pepsi to remain neutral in the culture war. Pepsi refused."
As far as I can see Pepsi complied with being neutral… i.e. it gave proportional representation to hetrosexual relationships and homosexual ones across a long roster of advertising campaigns. That sounds pretty neutral to me unless the AFA would prefer Gay people to be entirely airbrushed from culture in true Stalinist style. Oh wait…

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