The child is then placed in cair. At some point it was decided that rather than keeping all the children that end up wards of social services in cair untill they reach 18, it might be a good idear to have them addopted by willing families.

Clearly that is what has happened here (family unable to provide adiquat cair – due to substance abuse habbit on the part of the mother, and health issues on the part of the grandperants – children taken into cair, independant of this a couple applies to addopt, couple where judged best available adoptive family for children, children where placed with couple), as uposed to 'couple want to adopt, children removed from natal family for adoption on demand', which you seem to be sugesting.

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Is this perhaps a reflection on your own views on doing things to help others – you’d only do so if you got something out of it?

I have long taken the view that rather than spending a small fortune on IVF therapy, childless couples should be encouraged to adopt a child rather than attempt to rear one of their own in a test tube. Thus enabling an unfortunate child whose life chances are looking poor to be nurtured and grow in a loving family unit.

This gay couple, if they are as selfish as you seem to think, could always have gone for the option of making their own designer baby, but instead they have chosen to give an enormous commitment to making life better for this poor unfortunate kids.

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Phillips has completed her journey to the dark side and is now a thorough bigot of the worst kind. Littlejohn remains as always.

And it's interesting how both say it's not abiut gay rights BUT….

Hopefully their readership will die off. Hopefully they will actually have to do somereal work sometime rather than, for large salaries, pandering to bigotry

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"The underlying agenda behind gay adoption, as it is behind the whole gay rights movement, is nothing to do with protecting the rights of gay people"

F**king disgusting. I've left a comment telling her so but i doubt it'll get printed. I really, really hope the Law starts taking action against people who promulgate such hate and whip up bigotry in their readers. I'm depressed reading all those who agree with her lunatic views

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1132042/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-What-kind-selfish-couple-want-adopt-stolen-children.html

If there is any encouragement to be gained from all this it is that, as Littlejohn complains, no other news organisation has taken this up. The irony of the Daily Mail and its readers finally turning into one of the minorities they so despise is delicious indeed.

Despite this, the battle is hardly over. A rabid dog is most dangerous when cornered. And don't forget that the progressive and liberal Weimar Republic was suceeded by the Nazis. Following an economic collapse as it happens………

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The point of this story that this sensationalist rag of a website totally, (as usual), missed was the fact that the council had threatened the grandparents with not being able to see their kids again if they didn't comply. Had this been a situation where the children were going to a conventional heterosexual couple, the papers wouldn't have even sniffed at it. This case has nothing to do with gay adoption, and everything to do with local authority bullying and railroading, and should be seen in that light. Whatever the profile of the adoptive parents, they have been approved, so that factor is irrelevant. Edinburgh Council's Social Services needs a rocket up it's backside for it's reprehensible attitude to people struggling to bring up kids in a difficult situation. It's a shame outfits like this didn't spend a bit more time investigating the likes of Baby P etc. than stirring up controversy like this.

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How about a simple, "Thank you for making all the sacrifices it takes to take care of my children since I and the childrens' father (the supposedly perfect "mum and dad" senario) were too selfish, careless, ignorant and no good to take care of them themselves"?

How about a bit of gratefulness and graciousness and a little less ignorance and hatefullness?

It makes my blood boil to hear scumbags like this looking down their noses at gay people who have to do everything twice as well to get half as much credit.

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On the good news front, Iceland has a lesbian PM, Ireland is proposing a civil partnership bill and we've had 12 years of progressive laws from a labour government. We've come a long way, but stories like this do remind us of how much more hatred there is to fight against. We need stuff like this to get us politically agitated again. Peter Thatchell and Stonewall can't be the only voices of outrage.

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Also the process to become adoptive parents is unbelievably tough. All sorts of character references, psychological profiling and so on. Nowadays anyway. A friend of mine who is about 50 was regularly beaten by her adoptive parents (Catholic) as a punishment for her mother's sin. And I read a similar story about someone else on a blog recently.

Now these children will have a chance of happiness and making something of their lives.

FWIW I'm straight.

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Heroin has been widely recognised as a highly addictive drug for a long time now – that's one of the reasons it's a class A drug.

It's not an addiction that anyone can just 'slide' into by accident, like, say, prescription tranquiliser addiction, without knowing that EVERY time they go to score they're committing a crime.

It's also a very expensive habit to maintain – where does the money come from? Well, typically, more crime, including theft and prostitution. Maintaining a smack habit without bringing your kids into frequent contact with some pretty unsavoury characters seems unlikely at best…

Is that really preferable to their being cared for by a same-sex couple – against whom there are NO allegations of parental inadequacy, except that they are gay?

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