Comments on: Pope Benedict's latest outburst "justifies" homophobic bullying and attacks http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:26:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jayrald http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-59484 Jayrald Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:50:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-59484 pope Benedict whatsoever is only a man. He is not God and definitely not Christ's representative. Jesus does not need any representative in this world. Tell your pastors, priests, ministers about that. Tell that to them. We can come to Jesus freely without any mediator-priests, pastors, bishops, ministers, evangelists, etc. but only Jesus himself. It is the Good News we should be celebrating and happy about. Honestly and truthfully, the Bible is never homophobic and anti-gay because it never speaks about homosexuality or gayness or just being gay in general. It thus speaks of same-sex sexual activities but it never concludes that these "activities" were equated to homosexuality. There will always be anti-gay teachings, rhetorics, comments, etc. but always keep in mind that all the people who do anti-gay acts are not God, not Jesus but only fallible human beings. I suggest you to study and read the Bible on your own setting aside all your own preassumptions, biases and prejudices and let the truth come out from the word of God. In Jesus Name, pope Benedict whatsoever is only a man. He is not God and definitely not Christ's representative. Jesus does not need any representative in this world. Tell your pastors, priests, ministers about that. Tell that to them. We can come to Jesus freely without any mediator-priests, pastors, bishops, ministers, evangelists, etc. but only Jesus himself. It is the Good News we should be celebrating and happy about. Honestly and truthfully, the Bible is never homophobic and anti-gay because it never speaks about homosexuality or gayness or just being gay in general. It thus speaks of same-sex sexual activities but it never concludes that these "activities" were equated to homosexuality. There will always be anti-gay teachings, rhetorics, comments, etc. but always keep in mind that all the people who do anti-gay acts are not God, not Jesus but only fallible human beings. I suggest you to study and read the Bible on your own setting aside all your own preassumptions, biases and prejudices and let the truth come out from the word of God.

In Jesus Name,

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]]> By: Roman Catholic http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-41059 Roman Catholic Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:46:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-41059 I would like to read a transcription of what the pope really said...where can I read that??? As far as I know as a Catholic, officially the Church calls for protection of homosexuals despite the banning of homosexuality.... I would like to read a transcription of what the pope really said…where can I read that??? As far as I know as a Catholic, officially the Church calls for protection of homosexuals despite the banning of homosexuality….

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]]> By: Rob Fox http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40784 Rob Fox Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:55:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40784 @ Annie McKenzie Joseph Ratzinger is NOT your "Homeboy". If he and his bigoted papist fellow-travellers ever got their hands on real civil power again, once they had finished murdering homosexuals, they'd most probably turn their attention to frogmarching unstable women like yourself to the nearest ducking stool...then a pile of burning faggots -- or worse! Be glad wicked liars like that no longer have the power to do such things, in Europe, at least. @ Annie McKenzie

Joseph Ratzinger is NOT your "Homeboy".

If he and his bigoted papist fellow-travellers ever got their hands on real civil power again, once they had finished murdering homosexuals, they'd most probably turn their attention to frogmarching unstable women like yourself to the nearest ducking stool…then a pile of burning faggots — or worse!

Be glad wicked liars like that no longer have the power to do such things, in Europe, at least.

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]]> By: Annie McKenzie http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40687 Annie McKenzie Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:59:39 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40687 THE POPE IS MY HOMEBOY! EXECUTE THE GAYS! THE POPE IS MY HOMEBOY!

EXECUTE THE GAYS!

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]]> By: Lewis Weston JP http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40628 Lewis Weston JP Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:06:02 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40628 Could the EU step in here on a human rights issue? If they can usurp a member state over matters of weights & measures, then surely they can at least send a message of abhorence & condemnation. Could the EU step in here on a human rights issue? If they can usurp a member state over matters of weights & measures, then surely they can at least send a message of abhorence & condemnation.

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]]> By: Graeme http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40614 Graeme Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:54:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40614 There is an element of irony in that the Iranian Presodent sound s so measured, given his reputation, and the words of God's so-called representative on Earth. Why do popes live so long? Because God is is in no hurry to have them causing more trouble in heaven. There is an element of irony in that the Iranian Presodent sound s so measured, given his reputation, and the words of God's so-called representative on Earth. Why do popes live so long? Because God is is in no hurry to have them causing more trouble in heaven.

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]]> By: Davis Mac-Iyalla http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40520 Davis Mac-Iyalla Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:51:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40520 I was so full of joy when the preacher in a church I worshiped on Christmas eve made it clear that the POPE is wrong. Certainly the POPE doesn't talk for all religions I was so full of joy when the preacher in a church I worshiped on Christmas eve made it clear that the POPE is wrong. Certainly the POPE doesn't talk for all religions

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]]> By: Akis http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40495 Akis Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:38:51 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40495 Personally, I think that idiots like this man should be ousted from the seats and positions that they have. Instead of having someone to preach love and peace and beliefs in a "paternal" way...he's preaching the opposite. But it is not he who is at fault only. Instead of people believing that if we get all the "fags or queers" off the face of the earth, they should come to understand that even though they may believe it hasn't touched their families, it may...but rather, it has and they don't know about it. Gay people are not molded by culture...they are born and refined by culture and of course further refining is made within the gay community with a subculture that has been formed....not that I agree with this subculture...it has done a lot of good...we needed it! Without it we wouldn't have gotten where we are today...and this blog wouldn't have been here...but we the gay community are also sending out the message that we are porn hungry monsters with the way we are going about "contemporary gay society". Our community parades around as if it we are living in a carnival and that message today is wrong. It might have been okay in the past...but not today. We 'bash' ourselves with vocabulary that is okay within the community but an insult outside. Queer, 10%, fag and the like shouldn't be used. Queer by itself is something that is questionable, out of the ordinary, not normal...is that the message we are trying to convey? The use of 10% also separates us from the mainstream community by saying that they are 90% and we are 10%. Nobody can hear the reasoning behind the 10%...it used to be used to convey that there are more of us than most of you think or know...but its use was to be for a limited time as the newer generations make wrong use of the message that is being told. As for the pope..[lower case 'p'], I honestly sympathize with his condition, I prescribe some good reading on the animal kingdom and the Discovery Channel for him to catch up on the wonders of the Living World. I honestly wonder who cultured giraffes, dogs, cats and monkeys to having gay sex. It must be all the television, the web sites they surf on, and the music in the clubs that has altered their minds and they are the filthy un-God like creatures that they are! Let them die of AIDS or anything else so as to rid the world of this filth! Who made all of these disgusting creatures?....He should be shot! ....Uhh? Oh! My Boss?.....gulp! Personally, I think that idiots like this man should be ousted from the seats and positions that they have. Instead of having someone to preach love and peace and beliefs in a "paternal" way…he's preaching the opposite.

But it is not he who is at fault only. Instead of people believing that if we get all the "fags or queers" off the face of the earth, they should come to understand that even though they may believe it hasn't touched their families, it may…but rather, it has and they don't know about it. Gay people are not molded by culture…they are born and refined by culture and of course further refining is made within the gay community with a subculture that has been formed….not that I agree with this subculture…it has done a lot of good…we needed it! Without it we wouldn't have gotten where we are today…and this blog wouldn't have been here…but we the gay community are also sending out the message that we are porn hungry monsters with the way we are going about "contemporary gay society". Our community parades around as if it we are living in a carnival and that message today is wrong. It might have been okay in the past…but not today. We 'bash' ourselves with vocabulary that is okay within the community but an insult outside. Queer, 10%, fag and the like shouldn't be used. Queer by itself is something that is questionable, out of the ordinary, not normal…is that the message we are trying to convey? The use of 10% also separates us from the mainstream community by saying that they are 90% and we are 10%. Nobody can hear the reasoning behind the 10%…it used to be used to convey that there are more of us than most of you think or know…but its use was to be for a limited time as the newer generations make wrong use of the message that is being told.

As for the pope..[lower case 'p'], I honestly sympathize with his condition, I prescribe some good reading on the animal kingdom and the Discovery Channel for him to catch up on the wonders of the Living World. I honestly wonder who cultured giraffes, dogs, cats and monkeys to having gay sex. It must be all the television, the web sites they surf on, and the music in the clubs that has altered their minds and they are the filthy un-God like creatures that they are! Let them die of AIDS or anything else so as to rid the world of this filth! Who made all of these disgusting creatures?….He should be shot! ….Uhh? Oh! My Boss?…..gulp!

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]]> By: Alex http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40494 Alex Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:12:20 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40494 Personally, I'd lower pants and give the bastard what he wants...hell i'd bottom for him after he bottoms for me...simply to overcome the "demons" he has holding within all these years. Personally, I'd lower pants and give the bastard what he wants…hell i'd bottom for him after he bottoms for me…simply to overcome the "demons" he has holding within all these years.

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]]> By: Rod http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40482 Rod Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:58:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40482 @ Rob Fox and Ursus262. Thanks for your interesting and pertinent comments in response to my posting. However I would point out that invariably drug-fuelled gay clubs and alcohol-drenched bars are considered to be the nucleus of the gay scene/community in that they form our central meeting places; they are certainly not at the periphery of gay life as seedy clubs, prostitution and pornography are in straight life. Indeed, it could be argued that pornography is becoming as upfront a feature of gay life as the clubs and bars, as the increasing sexualisation of our culture continues. I just find it rather sad that so-called gay stores like Prowler and Clone Zone are monuments to tack and sleaze in that they predominantly stock goods that seem to appeal only to our basest instincts and desire. If racks of skimpy underwear, shelves of barebacking porn, double ended dildoes and poppers are what define our culture today, then God help today's upcoming generation of gay men who are lining up to be assimilated into this dumbed down, dead end world of conspicuous consumerism, easy sexual gratification and rampant hedonism. When even our sexual health agencies are launching web sites that explain in graphic detail sex acts ranging from scat to mummification (THT's hardcell.org.uk), surely we need to ask how on earth we got to this sorry state and to concede that something has gone very wrong, and to admit that we have established an inherently destructive "community" for emerging gay men to step into - and one which provides easy ammunition for the likes of the Pope to attack... @ Rob Fox and Ursus262. Thanks for your interesting and pertinent comments in response to my posting. However I would point out that invariably drug-fuelled gay clubs and alcohol-drenched bars are considered to be the nucleus of the gay scene/community in that they form our central meeting places; they are certainly not at the periphery of gay life as seedy clubs, prostitution and pornography are in straight life. Indeed, it could be argued that pornography is becoming as upfront a feature of gay life as the clubs and bars, as the increasing sexualisation of our culture continues. I just find it rather sad that so-called gay stores like Prowler and Clone Zone are monuments to tack and sleaze in that they predominantly stock goods that seem to appeal only to our basest instincts and desire. If racks of skimpy underwear, shelves of barebacking porn, double ended dildoes and poppers are what define our culture today, then God help today's upcoming generation of gay men who are lining up to be assimilated into this dumbed down, dead end world of conspicuous consumerism, easy sexual gratification and rampant hedonism. When even our sexual health agencies are launching web sites that explain in graphic detail sex acts ranging from scat to mummification (THT's hardcell.org.uk), surely we need to ask how on earth we got to this sorry state and to concede that something has gone very wrong, and to admit that we have established an inherently destructive "community" for emerging gay men to step into – and one which provides easy ammunition for the likes of the Pope to attack…

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]]> By: Abi Chrisopher http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40468 Abi Chrisopher Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:13:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40468 If I was the Pope I would worry about the eradication of the African population by the heterosexual community with the AIDS virus. The infection rate in Swaziland is 42.6% yet the Catholic church still say condoms should not be used in this and other Catholic countries. How many millions in Africa have been condemned to an early grave from the advice of his church. I would send him and his church sent to the Hague for crimes against humanity. If I was the Pope I would worry about the eradication of the African population by the heterosexual community with the AIDS virus. The infection rate in Swaziland is 42.6% yet the Catholic church still say condoms should not be used in this and other Catholic countries.

How many millions in Africa have been condemned to an early grave from the advice of his church.

I would send him and his church sent to the Hague for crimes against humanity.

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]]> By: Dieter3 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40447 Dieter3 Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:46:32 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40447 It is interesting how these supposed Christian leaders give so much time to homophobia. What was the phrase? Me thinks the lady protests too much? They will have their day in front of God and I am glad not to be them on that day. It is interesting how these supposed Christian leaders give so much time to homophobia. What was the phrase? Me thinks the lady protests too much? They will have their day in front of God and I am glad not to be them on that day.

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]]> By: david http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40440 david Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:11:09 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40440 It is no wonder there are so many non practising gay Catholics like myself when the head of the Church describes me as evil and a threat to humanity. I am gay because that is my lot in life, not my choice, that was made for me. I did not ask to be gay, but I am and have accepted, just as I did not ask to born into and brought up in a Catholic embracing family. I regret I have had no respect for this current Pope since the day he stood on the balcony of St Peters and was announced as the successor to John Paul. I will continue to ignore any of his remarks, they are worthless and ignorant. It is no wonder there are so many non practising gay Catholics like myself when the head of the Church describes me as evil and a threat to humanity. I am gay because that is my lot in life, not my choice, that was made for me. I did not ask to be gay, but I am and have accepted, just as I did not ask to born into and brought up in a Catholic embracing family. I regret I have had no respect for this current Pope since the day he stood on the balcony of St Peters and was announced as the successor to John Paul. I will continue to ignore any of his remarks, they are worthless and ignorant.

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]]> By: Mark http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40419 Mark Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:28:13 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40419 The Popes claim to be the successor to St Peter, but this one shows the truth by behaving more like one of the more deranged Roman Emperors...still, what could be more seasonal than inciting a massacre of the innocents?... The Popes claim to be the successor to St Peter, but this one shows the truth by behaving more like one of the more deranged Roman Emperors…still, what could be more seasonal than inciting a massacre of the innocents?…

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]]> By: Stephen Pettitt http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40417 Stephen Pettitt Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:52:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40417 For me the worst aspect of the Pope's comment is that it will only exacerbate the sense of self-hatred and perpetual guilt felt by far too many gay catholics, whose catechism is unequivocal about gay thoughts - let alone actions! - being a mortal sin. Such self-hatred and guilt often means lives emotionally unfulfilled, mental illness, and even suicide. The Pope has every reason to feel deep personal shame and guilt for abusing his power in this utterly irresponsible, not to say unloving, way. For me the worst aspect of the Pope's comment is that it will only exacerbate the sense of self-hatred and perpetual guilt felt by far too many gay catholics, whose catechism is unequivocal about gay thoughts – let alone actions! – being a mortal sin. Such self-hatred and guilt often means lives emotionally unfulfilled, mental illness, and even suicide. The Pope has every reason to feel deep personal shame and guilt for abusing his power in this utterly irresponsible, not to say unloving, way.

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]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40387 Simon Murphy Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:52:20 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40387 Doiminick - you say "Not ALL religions remain ignorant." I disagree 100%. All religions claim there is an all seeing higher power and that we must suffer in this life and will be rewarded in the next. That type of dogma was perhaps necessary 1000 years ago when we knew nothing real about the sun, moon, earth, stars, science, biology, physics, mathematics. Belief in 'god' was a comfort and a consolation to a people subject to all types of ignorance, short life expectancy, plague and lack of knowledge. Scientific research has proven beyond all reasonable doubt the origin of the species and are gaining proven knowledge about the cosmos. There is no reasonable or rational need for religion save for people's superstition. Funnily enough I agree with Pope Betty Ratzinger on 1 thing - namely that homosexuality is causing a "destruction of god's work". Seeing as 'god' is a fictional character (and the catholic 'god' being an especially vengeful old tosser) then anybody who helps in the destruction of this fictional god is a hero. Thanks for the praise Betty Ratzinger - maybe now it's time to properlty address your cult's protection of child rapists. Doiminick – you say "Not ALL religions remain ignorant."
I disagree 100%. All religions claim there is an all seeing higher power and that we must suffer in this life and will be rewarded in the next. That type of dogma was perhaps necessary 1000 years ago when we knew nothing real about the sun, moon, earth, stars, science, biology, physics, mathematics. Belief in 'god' was a comfort and a consolation to a people subject to all types of ignorance, short life expectancy, plague and lack of knowledge. Scientific research has proven beyond all reasonable doubt the origin of the species and are gaining proven knowledge about the cosmos. There is no reasonable or rational need for religion save for people's superstition.

Funnily enough I agree with Pope Betty Ratzinger on 1 thing – namely that homosexuality is causing a "destruction of god's work".

Seeing as 'god' is a fictional character (and the catholic 'god' being an especially vengeful old tosser) then anybody who helps in the destruction of this fictional god is a hero.

Thanks for the praise Betty Ratzinger – maybe now it's time to properlty address your cult's protection of child rapists.

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]]> By: Barry http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40381 Barry Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:38:22 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40381 Well done, Pope Benedict. You have not only alienated thousands of gay people from the Roman Church, but you have also placed those who are afirmed Romans in a dreadful and agonising position. Just as many parts of the civilized the world were becoming accepting of gay people, this misguided, silly man has wiped away the hopes for the acceptance of their homosexuality of Christians worldwide. Thankfully, the C of E, although far too greatly influenced by the Evangelicals and the African Bishops, is still welcoming. If anyone feels they need to worship - come on down to the good old C of E! On a more sober and realistic level, when Christ told Peter that he was the rock upon which he would build his church, did he for one second imagine that this ill-informed and bigoted man would one day perpetuate the line of Peter and offer such bullshit as a truth passed down the line from Christ himself - who, incidentally, was never once quoted as having mentioned homosexuality. Well done, Pope Benedict. You have not only alienated thousands of gay people from the Roman Church, but you have also placed those who are afirmed Romans in a dreadful and agonising position. Just as many parts of the civilized the world were becoming accepting of gay people, this misguided, silly man has wiped away the hopes for the acceptance of their homosexuality of Christians worldwide.
Thankfully, the C of E, although far too greatly influenced by the Evangelicals and the African Bishops, is still welcoming.
If anyone feels they need to worship – come on down to the good old C of E!
On a more sober and realistic level, when Christ told Peter that he was the rock upon which he would build his church, did he for one second imagine that this ill-informed and bigoted man would one day perpetuate the line of Peter and offer such bullshit as a truth passed down the line from Christ himself – who, incidentally, was never once quoted as having mentioned homosexuality.

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]]> By: john wilred sharp http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40376 john wilred sharp Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:39:08 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40376 ban the vatican tax all the religious activities take the pope to court for hate speech ban the vatican
tax all the religious activities
take the pope to court for hate speech

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]]> By: Tony http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40363 Tony Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:33:02 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40363 Rev Sharon Ferguson, of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, called him “irresponsible”. She said: “Comments like that justify homophobic bullying in schools and gay bashing.” "The pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind with this statement, NOTHING justifies bullying, Ferguson. Think before you open your mouth. Rev Sharon Ferguson, of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, called him “irresponsible”. She said: “Comments like that justify homophobic bullying in schools and gay bashing.” "The pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind with this statement, NOTHING justifies bullying, Ferguson. Think before you open your mouth.

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]]> By: Cate, Qld, Aus http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html/comment-page-2/#comment-40358 Cate, Qld, Aus Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:59:13 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10053.html#comment-40358 Well, I was going to post a comment, however - thankyou Simon Murphy; I couldn't have put it any better. Well, I was going to post a comment, however – thankyou Simon Murphy; I couldn't have put it any better.

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