Comments on: Christian registrar loses employment tribunal appeal over civil partnerships http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/ PinkNews.co.uk Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:01:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Luxie http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42590 Luxie Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:16:52 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-42590 To Chris (contibued): "I have no reason to doubt she is sincere in her beliefs, and honest. "--I agree with AdrianT on this. And there are (or least were) people who sincerely believe that Jews are sinful and deserve to be condemned because of the "crime" their ancestor committed. --i also have no doubt that these people's belief is sincere, but does it legitimate anything? To be honest, I am in the same pair of shoes with you--but I'm in the opposite one of yours. I don't like heterosexuality. I think it's nasty, unnatural, and wrong to accept the genital from the opposite sex in or around your own genital except for the purpose of reproduction. I cannot control but feel a moment of being grossed out when I hear my male friends talking about their girlfriends or my female friends talking about their men. Such instant feeling of gorss hits my so natually that although I've tried very hard to change my opinion just so that I can consider myself more open-minded, i failed. I guess you can call me a heterophobia in terms of these emotional and cognitive reactions. However-- Do I respect and support straight sex based on love between two individuals (which is againt my stubborn thought that inter-sex intercourse is dirty)? -Yes I do. Do I respect and support infertile straight couple's right of marriage although they can only perform heterosexuality without contributing to the human population(which violates my sincere belief that inter-sex intercourse is unnatural without the function of reproduction)?--Yes I do. Will I dislike an employee and feel reluctant to put her in an important position just because she talks about her man instead of her woman (which offends my emotion, because it gives me an uncontrollable uncomfortableness)? --No, I won't. I hope these help you understand the difference between bias and discrimination--the former is a thought & feeling, whereas the latter is an action. What caused the council to conflict with Ms.Ladele is her discrimination. Did she refuse to carry out her duty because the couple's requirement was illegal? -No. Did she differentiate her treatment on the couple from other clients MERELY because their sexual orientation? -Yes. --This forms a discrimination and also maks her an incomponent employee/religous registrar whose dismissal is reasonable and legitimate. Did the council dismiss Ms.Ladele MERELY because her sexual orientation? -No. Did the council dismiss Ms.Ladele MERELY because her belief? -No. Did the council dismiss Ms.Ladele because she, as a (former)religous registrar, reject her duty and commit discrimination towards clients? -Yes. You get the idea. To Chris (contibued):

"I have no reason to doubt she is sincere in her beliefs, and honest. "–I agree with AdrianT on this.

And there are (or least were) people who sincerely believe that Jews are sinful and deserve to be condemned because of the "crime" their ancestor committed. –i also have no doubt that these people's belief is sincere, but does it legitimate anything?

To be honest, I am in the same pair of shoes with you–but I'm in the opposite one of yours. I don't like heterosexuality. I think it's nasty, unnatural, and wrong to accept the genital from the opposite sex in or around your own genital except for the purpose of reproduction. I cannot control but feel a moment of being grossed out when I hear my male friends talking about their girlfriends or my female friends talking about their men. Such instant feeling of gorss hits my so natually that although I've tried very hard to change my opinion just so that I can consider myself more open-minded, i failed. I guess you can call me a heterophobia in terms of these emotional and cognitive reactions.
However–
Do I respect and support straight sex based on love between two individuals (which is againt my stubborn thought that inter-sex intercourse is dirty)? -Yes I do.
Do I respect and support infertile straight couple's right of marriage although they can only perform heterosexuality without contributing to the human population(which violates my sincere belief that inter-sex intercourse is unnatural without the function of reproduction)?–Yes I do.
Will I dislike an employee and feel reluctant to put her in an important position just because she talks about her man instead of her woman (which offends my emotion, because it gives me an uncontrollable uncomfortableness)? –No, I won't.

I hope these help you understand the difference between bias and discrimination–the former is a thought & feeling, whereas the latter is an action.
What caused the council to conflict with Ms.Ladele is her discrimination.

Did she refuse to carry out her duty because the couple's requirement was illegal? -No.
Did she differentiate her treatment on the couple from other clients MERELY because their sexual orientation? -Yes.
–This forms a discrimination and also maks her an incomponent employee/religous registrar whose dismissal is reasonable and legitimate.

Did the council dismiss Ms.Ladele MERELY because her sexual orientation? -No.
Did the council dismiss Ms.Ladele MERELY because her belief? -No.
Did the council dismiss Ms.Ladele because she, as a (former)religous registrar, reject her duty and commit discrimination towards clients? -Yes.

You get the idea.

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]]> By: Luxie http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42588 Luxie Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:57:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-42588 To Chris: I think everybody is entitled to believe what they believe and think what they think, but ACTING on the belief to an extent that he/she rejects performing his/her prescribed duty and violates the job's important principle AT LEAST proves that this person is not incompetent for the work. I believe that people have every right to THINK. But do they have every right to ACT upon whatever they think? I think not. Holding an opinion in mind is not the problem. Performing an opinion that leads to discrimination on other people's legitimate rights--this is the problem. To Chris:
I think everybody is entitled to believe what they believe and think what they think, but ACTING on the belief to an extent that he/she rejects performing his/her prescribed duty and violates the job's important principle AT LEAST proves that this person is not incompetent for the work.
I believe that people have every right to THINK. But do they have every right to ACT upon whatever they think? I think not. Holding an opinion in mind is not the problem. Performing an opinion that leads to discrimination on other people's legitimate rights–this is the problem.

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]]> By: Luxie http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-42587 Luxie Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:54:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-42587 To Chris: I think everybody is entitled to believe what they believe and think what they think, but ACTING on the belief to an extent that he/she rejects performing his/her prescribed duty and violates the job's important principle AT LEAST proves that this person is not incompetent for the work. I believe that people have every right to THINK. But do they have every right to ACT upon whatever they think? I think not. Holding an opinion in mind is not the problem. Performing an opinion that leads to discrimination--this is the problem. To Chris:
I think everybody is entitled to believe what they believe and think what they think, but ACTING on the belief to an extent that he/she rejects performing his/her prescribed duty and violates the job's important principle AT LEAST proves that this person is not incompetent for the work.
I believe that people have every right to THINK. But do they have every right to ACT upon whatever they think? I think not. Holding an opinion in mind is not the problem. Performing an opinion that leads to discrimination–this is the problem.

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]]> By: Beccy Simpson http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-41811 Beccy Simpson Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:17:48 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-41811 Chris - try educating yourself about "natural law" before saying you don't think homosexuality "is natural"; just because you don't regard your opinions as being influenced from religious dogma does not mean they are your OWN OPINIONS (your capitalization) in that they are free from a variety of social and cultural influences and born from pure reason. Nobody's are, but at lease examined opinions based on education and critical reflection, can make a useful contribution to debate. And don't claim yours are: your comments on the "naturalness" and "rightness" of homosexuality betray their source, as indeed does your reaction to William's statement that homophobes are usually repressing a dead-seated sexual desire. It is accepted psychological theory that aversions to traits in others is an expression of the attempted splitting of of one's self in to an accepted and acceptable self; you can have an emotional response only to traits that you recognize in yourself. William's comment was not childish but valid. Chris – try educating yourself about "natural law" before saying you don't think homosexuality "is natural"; just because you don't regard your opinions as being influenced from religious dogma does not mean they are your OWN OPINIONS (your capitalization) in that they are free from a variety of social and cultural influences and born from pure reason. Nobody's are, but at lease examined opinions based on education and critical reflection, can make a useful contribution to debate. And don't claim yours are: your comments on the "naturalness" and "rightness" of homosexuality betray their source, as indeed does your reaction to William's statement that homophobes are usually repressing a dead-seated sexual desire. It is accepted psychological theory that aversions to traits in others is an expression of the attempted splitting of of one's self in to an accepted and acceptable self; you can have an emotional response only to traits that you recognize in yourself. William's comment was not childish but valid.

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]]> By: Will http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40316 Will Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:01:31 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40316 "i worry about "gays" because they too are people, they are in the same socity i am and as a result we all have an impact on each other." Yeah, so put your efforts to combating the REAL problems with society, and stop bothering us all with your tripe about how you pretend to "care" about gay people. When you say stupid things like "i dont like homosexualtiy, i dont think its natural" no one is fooled by your insistence that its in the intention of "moving forward and creating understanding/tolerance" Please, don't insult my intelligence. And, yeah, being obsessed with gay people to the point that you feel a need to voice your enlightened "opinions" on a gay site IS a mental disorder its a form of OCD. Normal people don't have that kind of need. "i worry about "gays" because they too are people, they are in the same socity i am and as a result we all have an impact on each other."

Yeah, so put your efforts to combating the REAL problems with society, and stop bothering us all with your tripe about how you pretend to "care" about gay people. When you say stupid things like "i dont like homosexualtiy, i dont think its natural" no one is fooled by your insistence that its in the intention of "moving forward and creating understanding/tolerance"

Please, don't insult my intelligence.

And, yeah, being obsessed with gay people to the point that you feel a need to voice your enlightened "opinions" on a gay site IS a mental disorder its a form of OCD. Normal people don't have that kind of need.

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]]> By: Chris http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40297 Chris Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:48:18 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40297 Will, firstly the reason for the blocks capitals was not an attempt to draw attention to my opinions but more to highlight the fact that everyone is entilted to their own, so im sorry if it came across that way. Also i was under the impression that the purpose of comments pages such as this where to encourage discussion between people some times with different views, because that can lead to nw ideas and new ways of moving forward and creating understanding/tolerance (and no i dont mean agreeing or liking, more like a lets agree to disagree). As for "if your not gay dont worry about gays" what a wonderfully mature line, i worry about "gays" because they too are people, they are in the same socity i am and as a result we all have an impact on each other. Also if you call being interested in the world around you and the conflicts between different views, life stlye choices etc and the effect they have a hobby then i think your the one who really needs to take a long hard look at your self. Now you seem to be taking the line alot of minority groups take, the attitude of if we do it you must like and support us in it, followed by throwing your toys out when people disagree, and your attack using the classic "obsessing over gay people is usually a sign of a deep seated sexual desires, or at the very least, a mental disorder" would ust seem to prove this, that truley is a childish way of expressing yourself. Anyway to the majority of other people who have posted on here (those who havent resorted to temper tantrums, swearing or insulting others) regardless of my own feelings thankyou for providing some interesting and thought provoking views and thoughts, i guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Finally maybe one thing we can at least agree on and no one it going to get upset over, merry christmas to you all. Will, firstly the reason for the blocks capitals was not an attempt to draw attention to my opinions but more to highlight the fact that everyone is entilted to their own, so im sorry if it came across that way. Also i was under the impression that the purpose of comments pages such as this where to encourage discussion between people some times with different views, because that can lead to nw ideas and new ways of moving forward and creating understanding/tolerance (and no i dont mean agreeing or liking, more like a lets agree to disagree). As for "if your not gay dont worry about gays" what a wonderfully mature line, i worry about "gays" because they too are people, they are in the same socity i am and as a result we all have an impact on each other. Also if you call being interested in the world around you and the conflicts between different views, life stlye choices etc and the effect they have a hobby then i think your the one who really needs to take a long hard look at your self. Now you seem to be taking the line alot of minority groups take, the attitude of if we do it you must like and support us in it, followed by throwing your toys out when people disagree, and your attack using the classic "obsessing over gay people is usually a sign of a deep seated sexual desires, or at the very least, a mental disorder" would ust seem to prove this, that truley is a childish way of expressing yourself. Anyway to the majority of other people who have posted on here (those who havent resorted to temper tantrums, swearing or insulting others) regardless of my own feelings thankyou for providing some interesting and thought provoking views and thoughts, i guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Finally maybe one thing we can at least agree on and no one it going to get upset over, merry christmas to you all.

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]]> By: William http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40231 William Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:20:23 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40231 A Roman Catholic priest will refuse to marry a heterosexual couple in his church if either has previously been married and then divorced - unless the Vatican has also granted an annulment - and he is perfectly within his rights in doing so. However, so far as I am aware, that doesn't mean that a registrar who happens to be a Roman Catholic and who agrees with his/her church's hard line in the matter of divorce and remarriage, can refuse to perform a civil marriage for a couple in similar circumstances. I therefore see no reason why a different criterion should apply when it comes to a civil partnership. A Roman Catholic priest will refuse to marry a heterosexual couple in his church if either has previously been married and then divorced – unless the Vatican has also granted an annulment – and he is perfectly within his rights in doing so. However, so far as I am aware, that doesn't mean that a registrar who happens to be a Roman Catholic and who agrees with his/her church's hard line in the matter of divorce and remarriage, can refuse to perform a civil marriage for a couple in similar circumstances. I therefore see no reason why a different criterion should apply when it comes to a civil partnership.

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]]> By: Will http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40203 Will Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:40:16 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40203 Ah, I see the delightful Stewart Cowan is back again flogging his tuppence blog/rant. Steward the former alcoholic and bible basher.... yeah, we need moral guidance form a bottom feeder like you. I for one am glad to see that Justice has prevailed here. Despite Stewart's attempts to blacken the posts here on his sanctimonious tripe of a blog, religious belief is not a valid reason for discrimination. If anything, its should be the opposite. The definition of irony, isn't it? And Chris, we don't care what you think. No one asked you, and yet you seem to think we need your BLOCK CAPITALS OPINION to be acknowledged. If you're not gay, then don't worry about gays... obsessing over gay people is usually a sign of a deep seated sexual desires, or at the very least, a mental disorder, so get over yourself, move on, and take up a hobby. Ah, I see the delightful Stewart Cowan is back again flogging his tuppence blog/rant.

Steward the former alcoholic and bible basher…. yeah, we need moral guidance form a bottom feeder like you.

I for one am glad to see that Justice has prevailed here. Despite Stewart's attempts to blacken the posts here on his sanctimonious tripe of a blog, religious belief is not a valid reason for discrimination. If anything, its should be the opposite. The definition of irony, isn't it?

And Chris, we don't care what you think. No one asked you, and yet you seem to think we need your BLOCK CAPITALS OPINION to be acknowledged. If you're not gay, then don't worry about gays… obsessing over gay people is usually a sign of a deep seated sexual desires, or at the very least, a mental disorder, so get over yourself, move on, and take up a hobby.

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]]> By: Chris http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40131 Chris Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:55:41 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40131 There seems to be a shocking lack of understanding or tolerance here, which i find intersting as one would think that groups that have been dennied their right to follow a certain way of life would be understanding, kind of makes me think of the jews in israel. Anyway back to the point, just as people have the right to same sex marriages so people should have the right to think its wrong, what makes your belifes more valid then hers? From wht ive read there was no isse regarding her and her work untill some one made a complaint, it would be iteresting to find out who that person was. Now, and i know im going to get bashed for this but so what, i dont like homosexualtiy, i dont think its natural and i dont think its right (im not religous) these are MY OWN OPIONS which i feel im entilted too. Now before you all form a mob and chase me down and hang me, i understand that 1) just as i have a right to my opions and views and life stlye choices, so do other people and 2) as far as im concerned homosexualtiy does not define a person they are people who are gay, they are a person first and foremost, and their choice of sexual partner is only one aspect of their character, and one i dont dwell on too much, because of my opions, and funnily enough my gay friends, my gay family members and my gay work colleges are all fine with that, just the same as their are things about me they dont like. And they know ho i feel, imagine that. One more thing to ponder, in this age of pc ness it is becoming harder and harder to engage in open honest disscussion, why? Because if you discuss certain things nd you dont say the correct pc words, yo get branded a bigot, fascist, racist or worse, and that then leads to simple promotion of ideas with no thought process involved at all, how wonderfull is that hey eveyone forced to think the same way. There seems to be a shocking lack of understanding or tolerance here, which i find intersting as one would think that groups that have been dennied their right to follow a certain way of life would be understanding, kind of makes me think of the jews in israel. Anyway back to the point, just as people have the right to same sex marriages so people should have the right to think its wrong, what makes your belifes more valid then hers? From wht ive read there was no isse regarding her and her work untill some one made a complaint, it would be iteresting to find out who that person was.
Now, and i know im going to get bashed for this but so what, i dont like homosexualtiy, i dont think its natural and i dont think its right (im not religous) these are MY OWN OPIONS which i feel im entilted too. Now before you all form a mob and chase me down and hang me, i understand that 1) just as i have a right to my opions and views and life stlye choices, so do other people and 2) as far as im concerned homosexualtiy does not define a person they are people who are gay, they are a person first and foremost, and their choice of sexual partner is only one aspect of their character, and one i dont dwell on too much, because of my opions, and funnily enough my gay friends, my gay family members and my gay work colleges are all fine with that, just the same as their are things about me they dont like. And they know ho i feel, imagine that. One more thing to ponder, in this age of pc ness it is becoming harder and harder to engage in open honest disscussion, why? Because if you discuss certain things nd you dont say the correct pc words, yo get branded a bigot, fascist, racist or worse, and that then leads to simple promotion of ideas with no thought process involved at all, how wonderfull is that hey eveyone forced to think the same way.

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]]> By: Stewart Cowan http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40129 Stewart Cowan Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:39:12 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40129 I made my comments into an article - <a href="http://www.thelabourparty.org/homosexuals-ladele-reversed.htm" rel="nofollow">"Gay rights" causing division again in the fight for tolerance!</a> and there is a link at the bottom to my blog. I made my comments into an article – "Gay rights" causing division again in the fight for tolerance! and there is a link at the bottom to my blog.

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]]> By: Simon http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40115 Simon Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:33:58 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40115 Ms Ladele should be afforded the same dignity in this case as that which she afforded to those whose ceremonies she refused to perform. None. Ms Ladele should be afforded the same dignity in this case as that which she afforded to those whose ceremonies she refused to perform. None.

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]]> By: AdrianT http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40092 AdrianT Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:01:09 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40092 It's unfair to label Ms Ladele as 'nasty', 'a bigot' etc. (And how crass of Stonewall to line her up for an award against someone like Iris Robinson, who really is in a league of her own) I have no reason to doubt she is sincere in her beliefs, and honest. And there is nothing unchristian about her beliefs incidentally. Granted, there was no room for her to continue in her role. She was simply incapable of reconciling her deeply held beliefs with her role. I am not saying her views should be respected (they are indeed ridiculous beliefs), but her right to hold those views most certainly should be. But when people are found to be incompetent at work, or not up to the job, they should be let go with dignity. The reason why this got to an appeal stage is because she was treated appallingly by her colleagues at Islington Council, according to the initial trial. So the Council are partly responsible for letting this cricial case drag on. You can fiercely disagree with someone, or blow someone's argument to pieces, and indeed terminate someone's position, by being both firm, fair - even friendly - but above all reasonable about it. That didn't happen, so it is quite possible that Ms Ladele deserves compensation. To quote again, Tom Paine: "The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall." Now that's what I call a real golden rule. It's unfair to label Ms Ladele as 'nasty', 'a bigot' etc. (And how crass of Stonewall to line her up for an award against someone like Iris Robinson, who really is in a league of her own) I have no reason to doubt she is sincere in her beliefs, and honest. And there is nothing unchristian about her beliefs incidentally. Granted, there was no room for her to continue in her role. She was simply incapable of reconciling her deeply held beliefs with her role. I am not saying her views should be respected (they are indeed ridiculous beliefs), but her right to hold those views most certainly should be.

But when people are found to be incompetent at work, or not up to the job, they should be let go with dignity. The reason why this got to an appeal stage is because she was treated appallingly by her colleagues at Islington Council, according to the initial trial. So the Council are partly responsible for letting this cricial case drag on. You can fiercely disagree with someone, or blow someone's argument to pieces, and indeed terminate someone's position, by being both firm, fair – even friendly – but above all reasonable about it. That didn't happen, so it is quite possible that Ms Ladele deserves compensation.

To quote again, Tom Paine: "The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall." Now that's what I call a real golden rule.

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]]> By: Lincoln - Australia http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40074 Lincoln - Australia Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:44:57 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40074 Lori didn't protest how she earnt a living working in the public sector that is made up of money paid by LGBT taxes? It wasn't too long ago that "God" condemned black people for being seperate from "his" flock - it gave slavery right of way with biblical blessings. This women is a nasty fool caught up in the homophobia that christianity promotes to give itself credibilty. What a great outcome for Islington Council as many gay couples can enjoy their special day without misguided christian damnation dampening their joy of love and partnership. Lori didn't protest how she earnt a living working in the public sector that is made up of money paid by LGBT taxes? It wasn't too long ago that "God" condemned black people for being seperate from "his" flock – it gave slavery right of way with biblical blessings. This women is a nasty fool caught up in the homophobia that christianity promotes to give itself credibilty. What a great outcome for Islington Council as many gay couples can enjoy their special day without misguided christian damnation dampening their joy of love and partnership.

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]]> By: Jay http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40053 Jay Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:32:55 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40053 If she were preforming a religious ceremony, I would be on her side. However, she is preforming a civil ceremony, that isn't even called marriage. She should have quit or transferred to a new position altogether. If she were preforming a religious ceremony, I would be on her side. However, she is preforming a civil ceremony, that isn't even called marriage. She should have quit or transferred to a new position altogether.

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]]> By: Simon Bellord http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40050 Simon Bellord Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:33:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40050 This is a great shame, her rights have been trumped by the liberal fascists. Hopefully this will wake people up to fight for freedom even harder as the state onece again tightens its grip over us. Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc live on! This is a great shame, her rights have been trumped by the liberal fascists. Hopefully this will wake people up to fight for freedom even harder as the state onece again tightens its grip over us. Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc live on!

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]]> By: Ivan http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40036 Ivan Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:47:47 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40036 She can now get a job at Primark where she will doubtless attempt to take them to an employment tribunal for making her sell mixed fibres. She can now get a job at Primark where she will doubtless attempt to take them to an employment tribunal for making her sell mixed fibres.

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]]> By: Davis Mac-Iyalla http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40035 Davis Mac-Iyalla Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:47:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40035 Well done, Islington Council. Well done, Islington Council.

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]]> By: Robert, ex-pat Brit http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40018 Robert, ex-pat Brit Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:37 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40018 At last, common sense prevailed! I've said this many times and I'll say it again. Religion has absolutely NO place in politics or in the public sector. Unlike sexual orientation, religion is a choice, a personal decision and as such, should be confined to one's home or place of worship. Socalled christians who take government funded employment especially should be made aware that their religious beliefs are not allowed to interfere in the execution of their jobs, otherwise, they should seek employment elsewhere. Well done, Islington Council. At last, common sense prevailed! I've said this many times and I'll say it again. Religion has absolutely NO place in politics or in the public sector. Unlike sexual orientation, religion is a choice, a personal decision and as such, should be confined to one's home or place of worship. Socalled christians who take government funded employment especially should be made aware that their religious beliefs are not allowed to interfere in the execution of their jobs, otherwise, they should seek employment elsewhere. Well done, Islington Council.

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]]> By: zazou http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40012 zazou Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:20:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40012 Bravo - Great result - it had to be for the sanity of the whole new regulations on fairness for all - bravo Islington for going that far with the case. - the chirstian groups wouls like an opt-out on CP - we can not get married in a church and then we have to be reduced by an opt-out ???? Opting out is wrong - we all have to force ourselves ome time to overcome racism etcc.... GREAT RESULT ISLINGTON Bravo – Great result – it had to be for the sanity of the whole new regulations on fairness for all – bravo Islington for going that far with the case.

- the chirstian groups wouls like an opt-out on CP – we can not get married in a church and then we have to be reduced by an opt-out ????
Opting out is wrong – we all have to force ourselves ome time to overcome racism etcc….
GREAT RESULT ISLINGTON

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]]> By: ursus262 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html/comment-page-1/#comment-40009 ursus262 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:46:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10005.html#comment-40009 This judgement makes one thing clear: there is no hierarchy of equalities. This is an important legal principle that is worth defending and I am relieved that this has now been clarified. This judgement makes one thing clear: there is no hierarchy of equalities. This is an important legal principle that is worth defending and I am relieved that this has now been clarified.

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