Backers of Gay Marriage Rethink California Push

LOS ANGELES — Discouraged by stubborn numbers and pessimistic , major financial of same-sex marriage are cautioning rights to delay a campaign to overturn California’s ban on such until at least 2012.

Earlier this year, many supporters of same- seemed eager to mount a 2010 campaign to overturn Proposition 8, which was passed by in November and defined as “between a man and a .”

But the timing of another campaign has since been questioned by several of the movement’s big , including David Bohnett, a philanthropist and who gave more than $ to the to 8.

“In with a number of my major No on 8 ,” Mr. Bohnett said in an e- message, “I find that they share my : namely, that we will step up to the plate — with resources and talent — when the time is right.”

“The only thing worse than losing in 2008,” he added, “would be to lose again in 2010.”

The issue of when to go back to the was also the central topic at a contentious “ ” held Saturday at a church in , east of Los Angeles, where about 200 rights gathered to discuss their next step. It was the second large meeting of leaders since late May when the California ruled against a to Proposition 8, which passed with 52 percent of the .

Shortly after the court’s decision, officials at California, one of the largest rights in California, issued an online for for a possible 2010 campaign, citing a need to capitalize on over the decision and on the seeming from the recent legalization of same- in several other states.

But that thinking has apparently evolved.

Marc , director for California, said he spent June and early July asking the opinions of nearly two dozen California and and had been surprised by the almost unanimous opinion that a 2010 race was a .

“I expected having watched the and the real pain that the L.G.B.T. community had experienced that there would be some real measurable remorse in the ,” Mr. said, referring to , , and . “But if you look at the numbers since November, they really haven’t moved at all.”

A major factor in any California balloting, of course, is ; here are remarkably expensive, with a number of costly media markets. The Proposition 8 campaign, for example, cost more than $80 million, with spending some $43 million.

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A gay marriage poll released by the L.A. Times reveals that a yawning racial chasm exists over the issue. found that a in a sampling of 1,500 in Los Angeles — 56 percent — favored legalizing same- , while only 37 percent opposed it. However, after parsing the demographics, vivid ethnic demarcations emerge. (See L.A. Weekly reporter Patrick Range McDonald’s extensive coverage of the growing outreach by pro-- into both the ethnic and of California.)

Caucasian voters favor legalization by a huge 68 percent margin, with 27 percent opposing it. The breakdown among is substantially, if not quite completely, reversed: 54 percent oppose , with 37 percent supporting it. (Conflicting points of views in the local African American community have been glimpsed on the L.A. Sentinel’s opinion page, with Jasmyne A. Cannick for and Firpo Carr condemning it.)

Meanwhile, the Times reports that are evenly split, with 45 percent supporting and 46 opposing same- . It is the that on both sides will seek to win over in an anticipated 2010 ballot rematch of Proposition 8. See

Poll Finds Racial, Ethnic Divides Over Gay Marriage

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What Does the Top-Secret California Marriage Polling Reveal?

At 11:30am PST today, an group of organizations like the Campaign, National and , U.S.A., and California will deliver the results from its polling of where California’s voters stand on same- . Yes, this is the same data Fresno organizers wanted to keep secret. To those involved, the data is of , because it could determine whether to push for a overturning Prop 8 in 2010, or whether the analysis shows we should wait until 2012, or even head in another course of action. The results of the will be delivered over a conference call (only media are invited to join). But received a preview of what to expect.

“Opinion on for same- in California is almost evenly divided, with holding a 1% to 2% edge,” says the data from the Poll4Equality Coalition, which conducted the . Depending on how you look at it, that’s either good or . Bad, because it shows we still have more convincing to do. And good, because it shows there’s only a small margin to overcome.

But knowing the state is nearly evenly divided on , the the delivers is: If we’re going to put the issue on the ballot, how do we the wording?

When asked, “Do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose, or strongly oppose allowing same- to be legally married?,” the found 47 percent saying “favor” and 48 percent saying “oppose.” The data shows “ if the language specifically includes a that says no will be required to perform a service that goes against their ,” according to the the document provided to .

As for the 2010 vs. 2012 issue? “Modeling turnout scenarios for 2010 and 2012 indicate that there is a small advantage to same? supporters in a 2012 . This is based on a considerably that is expected in 2012 due to the Presidential election. However, the additional voters that will come to the in a Presidential election are divided in their view of for same? . Voters
that will only turn out in a 2012 scenario are divided between younger voters who strongly support same? and older Anglo, Latino and African American religious voters who are opposed to for same? . While our modeling does indicate that 2012 will provide an 1?2 points of support for a , this difference may be impacted by many other factors in the larger at that time.”

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Demographics suggest Prop. 8 may have a short life

If the Proposition 8 battle is replayed in 2010, alone could eliminate the initiative’s winning margin, according to an analysis of polling and .

rights have already vowed a 2010 repeal fight against the initiative, which took away a right for same- to marry that had been granted in a California Supreme in May. Given that holds that it is easier to get a no than a yes , a repeal campaign could have a harder mission than the unsuccessful No on 8 campaign did this year.

“We have not determined, with our allies, exactly when that will be,” said , founder and director of the Campaign, which has gathered over 300,000 on an online calling for a repeal. “But we will be absolutely ready to put it on the ballot in 2010.”

&;If the repeal side does get on the ballot, they’ll be facing a very different . According to the Field , voters 65 and older made up 19 percent of the 13 million who cast in this election — about 2.5 million voters. According to polling by the (), six in 10 voted for Prop. 8. The measure won by 4.6 , or 591,644 total votes.


According to data provided by the California Department of Public , over a third of those over 65 die each year. If you applied these deaths rates to voters in this , over two years, deaths could eliminate 1.5 million voters over 65 — which would suggest 900,000 yes on Prop. 8 voters and only 600,000 no voters, for a net loss of 300,000 votes for the yes side.


However, it’s probably not quite this simple, according to Hans Johnson, who noted that it was probably healthier older with lots of years ahead of them who cast more of the .


“If you’re really sick, you probably didn’t ,” Johnson said. “If you‘re in a nursing home or suffer from dementia, you probably didn’t .” &;See Demographics suggest Prop. 8 may have a short life
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