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Trans star Dana International: Europeans should ‘shut their mouths’ about Gaza

  • D.McCabe

    Europe may have had many wars in the past but at least Europe has mainly learned from past mistakes.

    There is no excuse for what is happening there, for either side.

    How dare she say that they are still ‘learning’ to become cultured. To be cultured you first need to be civilised and accept others. Something, it would appear neither side of this conflict want to do.

    I don’t know the full ins and outs of what is happening over there, but it appears that religion, again, is playing a major part.

    • Sim Morris

      I don’t think it is fair to compare the 2 sides in this conflict.
      israel has slaughtered 2000 people mainly civilians. Hamas has slaughtered 3 with their rockets.
      israel is a terrorist state and its Army needs to be declared a terrorist entity.
      Dana International is a typical Israeli – Israel has a persecution complex the size of Russia and does not seem to grasp the fac that is it unacceptable to punish Palestine for the crimes of Europe.

      • D.McCabe

        As I said, I don’t know enough about the situation as no matter where I try to find information, I am finding it confusing.

        Israel’s leaders should be up for war crimes given the amount of civilians that have died.

        • Luis De California

          Watch this short video:

          • Bob Dog

            I also haven’t studied the history in detail but this doesn’t go back far enough in history to give perspective.

            Isn’t the background to the conflict the apportioning of land in Palestine to make the state of Israel in the late 1940s and the ongoing movements of Arab people to make space for the new state? I think this is still happening with Israelis moving into the settlements on non Israeli land.

            This was the basis of the conflict I think – the video above just shows a major flashpoint resulting from this.

          • Mario

            The truth is that Jews and the Arabs (now palestinians) lived side by side for at least a hundred years. It was when the Zionist ideology came about, that the emergence of a Jewish state became a dream (of which came through the religious leaders but Britain aided in order to make this so).

          • thelostdot

            Try chorus of the hebrew slaves by verdi for more depth than your opinion it’s that shallow.

          • Mario

            Are you for real? You know that 1)You’re trying to validate a Hebrew BIBLE!!! and 2) There is NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE of any soloman temple.

            Stop brainwashing yourself.

          • rapture

            The un and allies decided on the formation of Israel , that includes Britain. Israel is a consequence of self righteous british meddling under pretence of taking the moral high ground, as can be seen from these comments yet again.

          • thelostdot

            You need to learn about the Israelite slaves, historic Israel. Listen an old opera with “the chorus of the hebrew slaves” it’s abit older than 1940!

          • Sim Morris

            You are not pretending that Israel as a modern nation existed before 1948 are you?
            Biblical justification for stealing land and imprisoning millions of Palestinians is an appalling justification.

          • thelostdot

            Goes back a bit further than that. Never heard of the Israelites? Try Googling the Judaism and the historic state of Israel.

          • Mario

            There is no historical state of Israel!! This is according to a BIBLE!!!!

          • Rehan

            Would that be the state of Israel that effectively came to an end with the death of Herod the Great in 4BCE?

          • Smithy

            Your point being? That land was Christian before the Islamic conquest – the Jews had long gone.

          • Constantinos S. Constantinou

            You are correct.

      • Stephen

        You do realize Sim that the only reason the Israelis are firing on Palestine is because the only purpose of Hamas is to obliterate the Jews, so Israel are defending themselves. Every ceasefire has been stopped due to something the Palestine’s did whether it’s been rockets or kidnapping. They also take the cowards way out by setting up rockets from hospitals and schools knowing Israel would fire back. The only reason why there haven’t been many Israeli deaths is because of the defense system they possess. If they didn’t have that there would have been thousands more. You might want to get off of your high horse and get your facts right.

        • Sim Morris

          Why is Israel murdering so many people in the Gaza Strip – the entire population there is in prison and the Hamas rocket attacks have only killed 4 Israelis.
          Is the brutal, cold blooded murder of thousands of civilians justified in any way.
          The answer is no – Israel needs to he shunned for its terrorist atrocities in Gaza.

          • Stephen

            “Why is Israel murdering so many people”? Because that’s where Hamas are putting their weapons. If Hamas had any balls or cared at all for those in Gaza, they would move their weapons then Israel wouldn’t be killing so many innoccent people.
            Sim, you really need to stop spouting rubbish and do some reading on the situation.
            Both sides need to stop what they are doing, but until Hamas stops targeting the Jews, this war will not end.

          • http://thebisexualbangladeshi.blogspot.com Traveller_23

            You might want to consider that Hamas is fighting back after Israel has spent years blockading Gaza, effectively creating an open air prison and denying them proper food, water, electricity and medical supplies.

            It’s not about destroying the Jews anymore (which they took out of their charter a while ago), they think it’s more about their survival. Wrong strategy on their part, but wrong characterisation on your part too.

          • Sim Morris

            I have read on the situation.
            The IDF is a far more murderous terrorist group than Hamas.

          • Stephen

            Only because the Hamas rockets can’t get through to kill. If Isreal didn’t have their sheild they would have been wipped out by now. Hamas have not changed their policy. They are militant muslims so their only goal is to destroy Isreal and the rest of the west if they can. End of.

          • betty

            You are talking about a hypothetical situation. They DO have a defense system, everyone knows they have a defense system, Israelis are NOT getting killed so what’s your point? We should all kill everyone who poses a threat to us no matter how minor that threat, no matter how much stronger we are than they, no matter that we have many alternatives? I guess its not a bad idea, the whole human race would be wiped out pretty quickly and there would be no more wars.

        • betty

          “The only reason why there haven’t been many Israeli deaths is because of the defense system they possess.”
          Yes, but they do have that defense system in place and are still murdering 1000s. If the Palestinians also had a defense system then fair enough bomb each other to your hearts’ content. The ony reason that the Israelis are firing on Palestine is NOT because the only purpose of Hamas is to obliterate the Jews – if that was their ONLY reason then they would have razed Palestine to the ground when Hamas took over. You’re trying to make a grey situation black and white. The only issue at present is the fact that 1000s of people including children are being killed in a completely imbalanced war. Stop the killing and then we can try and get rid of Hamas, and help the Palestinians grow and develop a society that is tolerant and respects human rights. Killing them all is not the answer. By that reasoning even 9/11 could be justified.

          • Stephen

            You really haven’t thought this through have you Betty.
            How about this. Hamas stop fireing rockets at Isreal and stop breaking ceasefires. This would stop the war fast enough as Isreal will not have to fire back.
            Hamas are the ones putting the innocent men, women and children in the fireing line, not Israel. Oh wait, they won’t. They keep fireing rockets, they continue to build tunnels so they can send in suicide bombers and continue to break ceasefires. Just because Isreal don’t have people dieing doesn’t mean they have to stop deffending themselves.
            For this situation to get better, it’s all in the hands of Hamas, they are the ones that have no thought or consideration for the lives of the Palestines.

      • thelostdot

        Compare the two. Israel not constantly firing rockets, and just trying to stop that. Israel with peace activists, Gaza only interested in getting at the other side. Gaza using human shields, Israel NOT.

        • kane

          3000 hamas rockets killed 67 israelis (mainly soldiers) during conflict. that equals to 45 rockets per 1 fatality, hardly a justification for killing 1800 palestinians

          • Sim Morris

            Rockets have killed 4 Israelis.
            The soldiers killed were not killed by rockets.
            Israel has killed 2000 Palestinians – most of whom are civilians; about 600 of which are children.

          • kane

            wow, it takes 750 of hamas rockets to kill 1 person

          • thelostdot

            they aren’t bright are they

      • thelostdot

        Israel use weapons to protect their civilians. Hamas use civilians to protect their weapons as somebody else said.

        • kane

          not that would stop israel killing innocent civilians and children and then blaming hamas for it

          • Sim Morris

            Blaming Hamas is Israel’s excuse for everything.
            The cold blooded murder of children in a UN safe zone is not Hamas’fault.

        • Dazzer

          Yeah, those four kids on the beach. Obviously, being on a beach and nowhere near a building, they were totally Hamas operatives.

          I hope you appreciate the sarcasm in my remarks, because you’re such an apologist for the unjustifiable that it probably needs to be spelled out.

          At least 20 per cent of of the casualties have been kids. Shooting at one UN school might be a mistake, but bombing three of them? That’s making direct war on children.

          I hope you feel proud of yourself thelostdot. Yeah, really proud of yourself.

          Oh, and by the way, that was sarcasm as well.

          • thelostdot

            Hamas use human shields and kill civilians deliberately. israel doesn’t.

          • Dazzer

            Israel doesn’t use human shields?

            Well, it doesn’t use Israelis as human shields, but it sure as hell uses captured Palestinians as human shields.

            The whole ‘human shield’ argument is an exercise in wretched hypocrisy on the Israelis part.

    • the lostdot

      We bomber civilians instead of military targets in WW2, if we hadn’t what do you think Hitlers position on Gay rights would have been? You would be in a concentration camp if it wan’t for allied bombing. Jews will be anhilated if they cannot defend themselves.

      • rapture

        Europeans are hypocritical and malleable to drip fed, biased media concerning Israel. If Britain was facing missile attacks from a neighbour , i’m sure a response as Israel’s would be considered ok then.

        • Sim Morris

          How is it biased to point out that Israel has murdered 2000 Palestinians in Gaza – the vast majority of whom are civilians – in response to the kidnap and murder of 3 Israeli teenagers in Gaza.
          Israel”s warped logic about the justification for its murderous rampages is sickening.

          • rapture

            would not be so many casualties if hamas were not using Palestinians as cannon fodder for their attacks on Israel.
            Free palestine from Hamas!

          • thelostdot

            so if somebody kept shooting at you so that you were in grave risk of death you wouldnt fire back if they used somebody as a human shield?

          • Dazzer

            Israel isn’t using human shields because it doesn’t need to.

            Hamas isn’t using human shields because it’s one of the most densely populated territories anywhere in the world.

            Claiming that Israel can slaughter innocent civilians and then blame Hamas is disingenuous. You lob a rocket into Gaza and you’re going to kill civilians whether or not they are supporters of Hamas.

            Let’s just drop this nonsensical, illogical defence of Israeli policy and cut straight to the chase.

            There;s an election coming up and Likud know that they win elections when Israelis are scared. In civilised countries elections are won through debates and manifestos and discussion. In israel, they’re won on how many dead Palestinians you can promise.

          • finebetty

            Where oh where are those civilised countries?

          • finebetty

            no, I wouldnt be able to. Only if I knew 100% that I’d get the killer and not the child.

        • John

          I disagree, the UK faced repeated bombings (in Britain)
          and political assassinations from the IRA in the 70’s and 80’s and at no time did the UK government think it would be morally acceptable to launch airstrikes into the nationalist areas of Belfast, Derry, or Dublin for that matter. Israel’s actions are disproportionate, unjust, and illegal.

          • Mark Y

            Well it would have been a bit daft to launch airstrikes at a country that you governed. Stupid comparison.

          • thelost dot

            No, Israeli’s are hitting military targets to stop the bombing that’s the different. The two simply are not comparable.

          • Balance

            Silly comparison. Belfast, Derry, or Dublin didn’t authorise the IRA bombings. Hamas IS the government in Gaza.

            Not that I’m justifying the disproportionality of the attacks on Gaza, but the pro-Israel lobby sometimes uses ridiculous arguments, like the one you just did.

      • Sim Morris

        They are no defending themselves.
        They are engaged in mass murder of civilians.
        How is the murder of thousands of Palestinian civilians increasing terrorist Israel’s security.
        Boycott, divestment and sanctions need to be imposed on terrorist Israel.

        • thelostdot

          Hamas are putting the civilians in front of military targets. They are building tunnels under the Israelis to blow them up and have violated amny ceasefires and fired rockets at them, in th elast taking an Israeli hostage.

          • Dazzer

            The last Hamas leader to organise a successful cease fire with the Israelis was assassinated by the Israelis.

            Only three Israeli civilians have been killed by Hamas rockets.

            No Israeli civilians have been killed because of the tunnels.

            Thousands of Palestinians have been massacred by Israeli rockets, bombs and bullets. And Israelis have been lining up their sun-loungers on the hills to witness and cheer the slaughter of other people.

            Israel has no moral high ground here and its attempts to justify itself are becoming increasingly desperate – and pathetic.

    • I Tongue

      I think religion is being used as an excuse to push a political agenda! All three Abrahamic faiths are fighting eachother, But in reality it isn’t regular Jewish, Muslim or Christian people doing the killing- they are acting on their own for their own purposes and using religion as an excuse to attempt to justify their actions- there is no justification though. Anyone who kills another person cannot excuse or justify their actions and will pay for their behaviour at some point.Europe has learned the hard way how to be accepting of others and given how many synagogues and mosques (as well as other places of worship) there are in Britain at the moment I think we are doing a good job! People are risking their lives to escape countries where they are persecuted by their own governments for their faith/sexuality/gender etc so they can live here in peace, so we can’t be doing too poor a job of creating a civilization. I do not think we should mind our own business at all, I think these innocent people being beheaded and raped, forced conversions and exiled from their homes with no food or shelter, they need to knwo we are not ignoring them, that we ARE horrified and concerned, that we DO want to help end this conflict and find away to move forward. Wea re meant to be an international community, does this war have to land on our actual doorstep before we do anything? by then it will be too late!

  • Sim Morris

    Typical Israeli response – ‘Because of what Germany did in the past, please ignore the fact that israel is punishing Palestine for Germany’s crimes.’
    What are Ms International’s thoughts on fhe Israelís deliberately targeting schools and hospitals and UN safe zones, in the full knowledge that children will be murdered as a result.
    Perhaps Ms International should answer questions about the proportionaliity of Israel’s response – does she think the brutal slaughter of thousands of civilans in Gaza is a proportionate response to the kidnaps and murder of 3 israeli teenagers in the West Bank?
    Dana International is justifying Israeli terrorism and deserves contempt for it.

    • thelostdot

      It isn’t Israel putting civilians in as human shields. Britain deliberately bombed civilians in preference to military targets in WW2 or had that escaped your attention? They have a right not to have rockets and bombs fired at them constantly.

      • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

        IDF soldiers have been seen chaining Palestinian kids to the front of their vehicles to use them as shields. This is globally recognized and there is a wealth of evidence out there proving that this indeed happens. International journalists have reported this more than a few times.

        • http://www.exclusivechurch.com/ Lorenzo Fernandez-Vicente

          Pure BS, your evidence?

          • Dazzer

            It’s true – start doing your own research. This happens.

        • Mark Y

          Please provide evidence if you are going to make such a ridiculous accusation.

        • david

          I do not usually respond to ourtrageous nonesense but this one takes the biscuit. It is ….loss for words here….made up, untrue, just not the case, fabrication…..there is no wealth of evidence – there is no evidence – it does not happen. Jeez, sometimes…….I wonder if some people have wool for brains. Chaining kids to the front of vehicles….!

          • Dazzer

            Research for yourself. IDF using Palestinian kids as human shields is a real thing.

        • thelostdot

          Where is this evidence then?

      • Sim Morris

        Israel has murdered 2000 Palestinians – and have deliberately targeted schools, hospitals and UN safe zone in the full knowledge that they would be slaughtering children.
        Rocket attacks have killed 4 Israelis.
        That is niot a proportionate response.
        israel is a terrorist, pariah state.

        • thelostdot

          Saudi propaganda. Hamas are constantly firing rockets at them. Israel are aiming for military targets, Hamas are putting civilians next to them. Iron dome is not 100% effective.

  • Bob Dog

    We need to be careful not to think of an hysterical rant from a pop singer as being typical of Israelis generally of course but –

    You don’t need to be “guilt free” to know what’s right and what’s wrong and, because of our history and what we have learned from it, Europeans are very well qualified to at least be able to identify these things.

    Israel is far from being a startup nation finding its own way – many Israelis have had first hand experience of what is unacceptable treatment of minorities – during WW2, for example.

    I fully appreciate that the picture is complex, but surely she can see that, in terms of what the rest of the world is viewing every night on TV: Ghettos and murder were wrong in the 1940’s, and they’re wrong now.

    • Sim Morris

      Boycott, divestment and sanctions need to be imposed on Israel until the illegal occupation of the West Bank; East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights has ended.
      Israel has shown over the past month that it does not deserve to be treated as a civilised nation – it is no better than Iran.

      • Philassie

        you’re an ignorant buffoon.

        • Fur Beasty

          A rant rooted in your delusions of moral superiority.

      • WorcesterMANative

        So, how much are you willing to boycott? Fruits and vegetables? very nice. how about the IT products – hardware, software, and firmware – that were all developed in Israel or by Israelis? Lifesaving medical care techniques that were developed in Israel? You can’t pick and choose what to boycott and what not to. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384846/orthodox-jewish-rapper-calls-out-double-standards-bds-movement-molly-wharton

        • betty

          yes you can

          • WorcesterMANative

            @Betty, how can you pick and choose what to boycott? Are you supporting cherry picking what you’re willing to boycott, or acknowledging the hypocrisy of those that do?

    • thelostdot

      If Hitler had put civilians next to military targets in WW2, and you couldn’t shoot them who do you think would have won? You should remember that hamas and the rest were allies of Hitler. Jews have to stop another holocaust.

      • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

        Hitler did exactly that, we didn’t target civilians, we targeted his military. That’s how we won.

        And, lets not forget the French Resistance. Funny how one group of people defending their land from invaders are “freedom fighters” when it suits, but “terrorists” when it’s politically convenient.

        I’m with Russell Brand on this. Hamas might be called a “terrorist organization”, but what makes them any different to the IDF? I’ll tell you; firepower and political wordsmiths.

        • rapture

          russell brand would appear to be a terrorist apologist. and an unfunny “comedian”.

        • David H

          That’s the nature of history and the media, Bloke. One man’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist. They’re all words to cover atrocities.

          Over the years both sides have been the aggressors (I’m old enough to remember the Munich Massacre). I firmly believe what Israel is doing now is wrong; but a declaration of who is right or wrong is not going to result in peace – that will only be achieved by BOTH sides throwing their weapons away.

          While they continue to blame each other and kill innocent people (which both sides have done in recent weeks) they’re no closer to achieving peace than they were in 1972.

        • Mark Y

          Of course we targeted the civilians of Germany during the second world war. Have you never seen images of how we bombed their cities? Please do some research and finds out some facts before you write such nonsense.

          We won the second world war because the UK, the USA, Russia bombed Germany to fck, and killed loads of Germans, men, women and children. We brought them to their knees, they had nothing left. That’s why they lost.

        • thelostdot

          I think you will find if you check that our targeting civilians rather than the military began in a place called Dresden. What exactly did you think all that stuff about Dresden was about?

      • Bob Dog

        “You should remember that hamas and the rest were allies of Hitler”

        I’m sure this is just dramatic interpretation rather than fact but really? All I can see on the history pages is that Hamas (a very unpleasant extremist fundamentalist group) was formed in 1987 as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

        • Mark Y

          Much of the arab World were allies with the nazis, especially palestine and egypt. Sorry, but that is a fact.

          There were other allies to the nazis, Italy, Japan…. But the difference is, the arabs that were anti-semitic in the second world war are still anti-semitic and want to wipe jews off the map.

          • kane

            zionist’s ass licker

          • thelostdot

            better than being a rocket firing child killers like Hamas.

          • WorcesterMaNative

            @kane, that’s all you can come up with – some asinine insult, instead of discussing facts and debating interpretation?

          • Marlon Toledo Lacsamana

            You forget Arabs are Semitics too…

            “A Semite is a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in the Near East, including; Akkadians (Assyrians/Syriacs and Babylonians),Ammonites, Amorites, Arameans, Chaldeans, Canaanites (including Hebrews/Israelites/Jews and Phoenicians/Carthaginians), Eblaites, Dilmunites, Edomites, Ethiopian Semites,Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maltese, Mandaeans, Mhallami, Moabites, Shebans and Ugarites.”

        • thelostdot

          The leader of the Arab world very much CRAWLED around Hitler. He asked to Hitler and did, though only once because Hitler didn’t like them. FACT.

        • WorcesterMaNative
      • Katie

        What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki – millions of innocent people killed as the ‘collateral damage’ necessary to topple Hitler’s allies there too. I guess the moral question is more of a: how far should we go with a necessary evil before we become as bad as our enemies?

        • kane

          dropping atomic bombs on japan was militarily unnecessary.

    • rapture

      What about what the world is viewing in Iraq every night on TV , a consequence of british intervention. Looks like brits have not learned from their history as recent military interventions reveal.

      • Bob Dog

        I agree with you – it’s also wrong.

        • rapture

          “we’ve learnt”! yea right , that’s why the great british public voted blair back into power again after.

      • Philassie

        200 times more dead and iraq never fired a single rocket at the uk

      • betty

        the Brits are incapable of learning from their history, they still think the British Empire was a benevolent act of mercy that spread democracy and was welcomed and appreciated by all of its victims…and dont get why they now have obligations to people the world over whose countries they destroyed.

    • Scrupulous.Geographer

      When such strong words are said, it may be a call to ask questions. Perhaps Dana is in no position to speak about it, but we should treat it as an invitation to probe this war…

    • Katie

      I would think that if you want to make a WW2 analogy the bombings of Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be more apt – in which allied bombs killed many millions of innocent people not purposely but as ‘collateral damage’ in order to topple despicable regimes with similar mentalities to Hamas.

      • kane

        gaza is no near as powerful or as dangerous as germany was during ww2. germans killed millions. so to use this analogy is manipulative at best.

      • betty

        So you think the israelis would be justified in wiping Palestine off the map? Please note that the allies could have won WW2 without the masscres of Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  • David H

    Unfortunately the peaceful solution to any conflict is frighteningly simple, ultimately it only stops when the blame game stops and both sides can draw a line under the past, stop fighting and accept that they all deserve to live in peace, but its rarely achievable because of stupid remarks like Dana International’s. Both sides have done things wrong, both sides have victims and, unfortunately, neither side seems able to negotiate (or even adhere to) a ceasefire. Whether Dana International likes it or not, they need the impartiality of other countries, however tainted their histories may be.

    Bob Dog has summed up excellently in his comment that no-one is guilt free and that provides a hard-lesson-learned perspective to give as unbiased an opinion as possible.

    • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

      Unfortunately, Israel doesn’t want peace, it wants that beachfront land and will not stop until it has murdered or forced out every person in Gaza and claimed that land as its own.

      • thelostdot

        Rockets fired at them CONSTANTLY by a foe who was allied to the Nazi’s and like them wants their anhilation.

      • David Jordan

        The problem BlokeToy is that statement could equally apply to Hamas, their stated aim is the destruction of Israel and the ethnic cleansing of the Jews from the region, and the western pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian lobbies don’t really seem to want peace either.

        • Just pointing out

          Destruction of Israel hasn’t been on the Hamas platform for years. It’s an anachronistic attempt to make them an eternal enemy.

          Thy’re not there to support, but the disparity that is always coverd up in conversations here is obvious. Millions from the most powerful country on earth amd thousands of deaths vs rockets made with piss and fewer than 100 over years and years.

          But when it gets put out by people pushing the party line what you get is an impression of equality which is far from the truth.

      • Mark Y

        And you think hamas and the palestinians want peace? Seriously, do some research on the subject before you take sides with a homophobic terrorist organisation. It’s embarrassing.

        • Dazzer

          I’m just going to repeat this again – because I think it bears repeating – the last Hamas leader to organise a long-lasting cease fire with the Israelis was assassinated by the Israelis.

          The Israelis do not want peace with Palestine – they have broken nearly all the agreements they’ve ever made.

          This current conflict is because Likud wants to get elected and is willing to clamber over the bodies of thousands of dead women and children to do so.

          And before you throw the homophobic word around to justify your arguments, I’ve met some pretty damn homophobic Israeli rabbis in my time.

          And I’ve met them because generally I like Jews – but I detest and abhor the Israeli government.

        • Balance

          Ah yes. I remember the good old days with our terror organisations. The IRA bombed the odd building, usually gave warnings so civilians could get out first, and none of this Islamic suicide bomber nonsense. But most importantly Sinn Fein loved the gays.

      • rapture

        You sound like a terrorist apologist. Try do a little research, before joining the fashionable, latent anti semitic/Israeli mob mentality .

      • WorcesterMaNative

        @bloketoyscouk:disqus apparently, you’re some Middle Eastern expect, so why don’t YOU show us any shred of evidence that the so-called Palestinians want peace? Not sure what your dog is in the fight, but you seem to be such an arrogant know-it-all about the rights of terrorists and the wrongs of Israel, from where you comfortably sit, do tell us the answers to everything.

    • thelostdot

      Israel have stuck to many ceasefires, Hamas NEVER does. Last time they used a ceasefire to take a hostage.

      • David H

        Both have broken them though. My point is that neither are blameless but it’s going to take both of them to give up the aggression and stop it.

      • Just pointing out

        You killed the guy you claimed was a hostage. Get it right!

  • LJ

    If people ‘shut their mouths’ South Africa would still be an apartheid state, you vacuous bint.

    • thelostdot

      South Afrikans were not involved in a war firing rockets at anyone. There was no desire for genocide not to persecute others. Hamas wish to obliterste Israel.

      • Dazzer

        The ANC killed far more people than Hamas has.

  • David

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    • thelostdot

      A ceasefire means BOTH sides stop. If it’s just one due to human shields it’s called surrender.

      • David

        It was more about telling Europe to Shut up. Just because our ancestors raped and pillaged the planet long ago. Doesn’t mean hundreds of years later any ‘civilisation’ should be left to do it in peace.

        • thelostdot

          They are tryiing to stop Hamas blowing them up using tunnnels and rockets not raping or pilaging

  • James!

    The oppressed become the oppressors. The Israelies have learned nothing and have to the the stupidest and most brutal nation on earth. You have to wonder if they would use the same methods as the nazis if they could.

    • thelostdot

      Arabs WERE allied to Hitler in WW2 and would do the same to Jews if they could.

    • rapture

      Israel and Israelis would not exist if it did not defend itself from missile attacks from terrorists (hamas) intent on their destruction. Hamas use schools, mosques and children as human shields in their evil terrorist tactics supported by Europeans brainwashed by anti Israeli propaganda and lies.

    • Mark Y

      Does that mean that you think black people are going to start oppressing white people because they were oppressed? Or gay people are going to start oppressing heterosexuals? What about Women, are they going to start oppressing Men? Or….

      Seriously this “the oppressed become the oppressors” idea that keeps coming up sounds like a cr4p line from a coldplay song.

  • john

    Israel is full of European and Americans etc. Where would it be without European immigration and the West giving them money and suppot. It’s ok to cosy up to us when it wants support but as soon as we criticise then for obvious reasons we have to shut our mouths up!

    • thelostdot

      Do you actually understand what these people are like and what you are supporting? They wish to perform genocide, arabs were on the side of Hitler in WW2

      • Sim Morris

        So the hundreds of children being brutally slaughtered by the Israeli terrorists DESERVE it.
        That is a truly sickening, and racist arguement.

        • rapture

          If you are so concerned with children being slaughtered , you should be horrified at hamas using them as cannon fodder.

          • kane

            u mean like those killed in UN controlled schools that supposed to be safe haven from israeli’s attacks?

  • Robert W. Pierce

    A bit rich that she’s in Europe making money and telling us to shut our mouths. I’m all for Israel defending itself, no question about it but what I’d like to know is, every time Israel bombs a school or UN facility, it claims there are weapons hidden in all of them. How do we know for sure? The UN needs to verify that. Several international journalists dispute it saying they’ve not seen any such thing. If it turns out that they’re right, then Israel is guilty of war crimes.

    Israeli encroachment on the West bank building more settlements in retaliation isn’t helpful, but a provocation to embolden Hamas which it has already done. Nobody wins. The Palestinians need to ditch Hamas before any progress can be made. Violence never solves anything.

    • Sim Morris

      Israel is not interested in peace.
      The IDF needs to be categorised as a terrorist organisation in the same manner as Hamas is.

      • thelostdot

        Hamas are not interested in peace. They were allied to Nazis in WW2, they want genocide like the Nazis. THEY use the human shields.

        • Rehan

          Somewhat unlikely, since Hamas wasn’t founded till 1987.

          • Mark Y

            You’re right about hamas, but the palestinians, and much of the arab world were completely politically linked with the nazis..

          • Rehan

            So were the Italians and the Japanese, among others, but that’s not held against them today, is it? The situation is quite muddy enough without bringing WWII alliances into the discussion.

          • Mark Y

            I didn’t bring it up.

            However, the difference is, Italians still don’t want the Jews (and Israel) wiping off the map, and neither do the Japanese. Whereas palestinians, and parts of the arab world still do, which is why it should still be held against them, because they haven’t changed their position on the matter.

          • john lyttle

            But you did bring it up. It’s the first line of your post.

          • Mark Y

            No, I didn’t bring it up. Thelostdot brought it up. then Rehan replied to that comment, who I then corrected.

          • thelostdot

            They aren’t still COMMITED to genocide and the obliteration of Israel.

          • thelostdot

            Try the Arab league and the Arab representatives brain box.

        • Sim Morris

          Boycott, divestment and sanctions against terrorist Israel is essential.

        • john lyttle

          Nonsense and foul smear. Hamas wasn’t formed until the 1980’s but, hey, feel free to make it up as you along. We now have the measure of you.

          • thelostdot

            Predecessors the Arab league etc…..isn’t quite that simple. if you check you will find ALL arabs fighting with the Nazis

          • Rehan

            All Arabs fighting with the Nazis? That’s the sort of stupid, irresponsible generalisation that’s not going to get anyone anywhere. It’s like saying ‘All Europeans are imperialist swine’ – patent nonsense.

          • Mark Y

            FYI, the palestinians were closely aligned with the nazi party.They are now closely aligned with the homophobic regime in iran who murder gay men. But hey, feel free to support a homophobic regime. We now have the measure of you.

    • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

      Remember, this is the same government that faked British passports in order to murder people abroad. It’s also the same government that denied using White Phosphorous on live TV, while the world could see it falling from the sky over the shoulder of the man denying it. It’s also the government that turned off microphones in press conferences, blocked communications of journalists, and as repeatedly tried to deny journalists access.

      There is no way in hell any sane person can trust anything Israel says.

      • David Jordan

        And the UK let is security services aid Loyalist terrorists to murder innocent civilians in Dublin and Monaghan and denied using WP in its illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, so may you can see why some Israelis may see Europeans as a wee bit hypocritical.

        • Sim Morris

          Except Israel is targeting schools, hospitals and UN safe zones in the full knowledge that children will be slaughtered.
          The IDF is worse than Hamas.

          • Mark Y

            Whereas palestinian suicide bombers and hamas rockets are carefully targeted. Wake up. They’re both as bad as one another. That’s what happens in war.

          • Just pointing out

            Eight years since suicide bombers were used. That whole arguement is bullshit when you actually look at the statistics.

            Loving the focused JIDF effort here though.

          • David Jordan

            And Hamas is rocketing Israeli towns hoping to slaughter civilians and I don’t think if it was your home being rocketed you’d been content with the British Army sitting back and saying don’t worry, we’ll shoot most of them down, which is what most of the western pro-Palestinian lobby wants Israel to do.
            You can play the blame game all you like, but taking sides in this conflict isn’t going to lead to peace.

        • rapture

          The brits are seen as especially hypocritical, as we all see what they did to Iraq.

        • john lyttle

          Yes David – two wrongs make a right. Good argument.

  • halling

    ‘Normal civilisation’, ‘normal culture’? What an ignorant mouthpiece!

  • GulliverUK

    Palestinian state = human rights abuser, Israel state = human rights abuser
    I don’t support either, even though I will admit that at one point I supported one, then switched to the other.

    The solution is probably simple. Take all the leaders on both sides and put them on an Island, and arm both sides to the teeth (just the leader mind you, nobody else). Then let the Palestinians and Israelies get along peacefully. The impediment are the leaders on both sides.

    Now, I’ll shut my mouth.

    • David H

      100% with you on that, GulliverUK.

    • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

      While I agree that neither leadership would be worth pi**ing on if found on fire, the non-fighters (women and kids) being bombed to the stone age by Israel in Gaza have NOTHING to do with it.

      • thelostdot

        Hamas use them as Human shields. We deliberately targeted civilians in WW2.

        • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

          So you are saying that it’s okay to kill innocent people just to get at a Hamas fighter firing a rocket that 90% of the time will not hit any target?

          You perfectly illustrate exactly the irrational and hateful (dare I say evil?) mentality of the Israeli state.

          • Mark Y

            So you don’t think the UK bombed any civilians in any wars that it has fought, and I’m not just talking WW1 and WW2, I’m talking about all the conflicts over the last 50 years. And why do you think it is okay for hamas and the palestinians to target Israeli civilians? do you know how many suicide bombers there have been in Israel? What planet do you live on? You’re defending a terrorist organisation.

          • thelostdot

            If you try to stop military targets to stop them blowing you up I say that’s 100% moral. If somebody else puts civilians in front of the target then THEY are the war criminals.

          • thelostdot

            If you don’t do that you might just as well give in because a man with a human shield will be able to do whatever he likes.

          • Just pointing out

            http://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/157411_700b.jpg

            Sums it up and doesn’t make it right, in fact takes away all morality and turns them into murderers. Even if it was true in the case of recent bombings.

            Watch the videos of dying children and justify it.

        • http://thebisexualbangladeshi.blogspot.com Traveller_23

          I don’t think we should commend things we did back in WW2 – its the lessons we’ve learnt since then that form the basis of current international law etc.

          Also, Israel and the IDF have long used Palestinian civilians, including children, as human shields. This practice goes back to 2007 at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

          Whereas with Hamas civilians are often present because of how densely populated Gaza is. Does not excuse them, but the situation is different.

  • Brian Apple

    Dana International is still a man any way you look at it.

    • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

      Irrelevant.

      • rapture

        It’s relevant to those who acknowledge the hatred of transphobia.

    • Sim Morris

      Her murderous stupidity is more worrying,

      • thelostdot

        She has murdered no one. hamas fire rockets constantly and their stated aim is STILL to destroy Israel and genocide. Israel is a democracy. How would you feel if rockets were being fred here

        • Ian Laughlin

          Hello All. I have been following this thread, and in fact, I think the standard of debate has been extremely high, informed and totally unlike the hysterical commentary on a lot of internet sites. It shows that LGBT people are thoughtful, prepared to read around a subject and try and get to the truth, as difficult as that may be in such an involved and complicated conflict as that in the Middle East.

      • rapture

        She is not a murderer, what a stupid comment. Your support for murdering terrorists is far more worrying.

  • Rehan

    This stupendously ignorant rant must be among the least helpful things this foolish woman could have done. Not least since she’s demonstrated her own lack of awareness that the state she defends so vociferously only came into existence because of European imperialism.

    • thelostdot

      if they were firing rockets at you I wonder if you’d thik it so foolish. Easy to be holier than thou when it isn’t you.

      • Rehan

        Oh, you think a silly ‘entertainer’ shouting “Shut up Dutch people! Shut up Belgians! Shut up British people!” is a helpful addition to the debate, do you? Yup, you probably do.

        • thelostdot

          I think that at least somebody had the guts to break the PC chorus.

          • Rehan

            Oh yes, and what a great deal of support and sympathy she generated by her ‘guts’.

          • Dazzer

            Yeah, like she’s only got any kind of international reputation because of all those stupid Dutch and stupid Belgians and stupid British people who voted for her in the Eurovision Song Contest.

            As for ‘PC’, get over yourself, luv. When has the condemnation of the slaughter of innocent men, women and children been PC?

            I’d have hoped it would be seen as correct at any level.

      • RedDevil9

        You could buy bigger rockets over the counter here for Bonfire Night.

        • David Jordan

          You can buy fireworks with 44 pounds of high explosive as a warhead in the UK, yeah sure.

  • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

    Oh the irrationality of suggesting that because one country did something nasty a century ago it gives Israel a free pass to slaughter thousands of innocent people, steal their land, blockade their country and abuse them on a daily basis…

    Sorry love, you’ve lost all respect from me.

    No sane person can look at what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and remotely justify it. If you try to defend that kind of monstrous slaughter then you are psychologically deranged.

    Thankfully, most of Europe is waking up to the disgusting actions of Israel.

    • thelostdot

      Hamas are firing rockets now not 100 years ago, and they wish to destroy Israel as a state and commit genocide. FACT.

      • Dazzer

        And Israel appears to be attempting genocide on the Palestinians – FACT!!!!!!!

        Stop being ridiculous. And stop with the FACT nonsense.

        It’s childish and immature – as I hope I’ve just demonstrated.

  • Marlon Toledo Lacsamana

    As part of the Filipino diaspora in Europe I know what oppression is, I have faced racism. As a gay man trying to make changes in my home country the Philippines, I know what hatred is, I have faced homophobia. What is going on now in Palestine is something we Filipinos know so well, as my country was colonized by Spain, Japan and the United States. What I am seeing is Israel doing its best to seize land and wipe out the Palestinian population. As a Filipino I can recognize occupation when I see one, since we survived it ourselves. So I guess Ms. Dana International that you won’t take it against me if I speak out against the injustices that the Israeli Zionists are committing against the Palestinian people. And as an ordinary global citizen finding a voice in this world, I believe we have to speak out against repression and wrongdoing where ever it takes place.

    • david

      Israel is not trying to seize Gaza. It had it and pulled out. Israel has no intention of wiping out the Palestinian population – where is your evidence for this? They are at war; people get killed in war – that’s awful and the reports are devastating. But, again, that’s war. If you are ignorant of facts, better spend your time establishing them, rather than posting. Do you, for example, know that Hamas’ constitution has as its head the destruction of the State of Israel and the driving of the population of Israel into the sea.

      • john lyttle

        Israel is continuing to build in the Occupied Territories in defiance of UN agreements – the building is engineered by ultra right wing Orthodox Jews – no friends of gays, by the way – who claim the land as their’s because God promised it to them. Go try reasoning with that mentality. There’s enough blame for all sides, but what Gaza is at the moment is a small barrel and Israel is shooting the fish in it. Hence UN talk of war crimes. As for dismissing the predictable – and predicted – wholesale slaughter of babies and children as, “But, again, that’s war”… go back to your mother and have her belatedly teach you compassion. And how dare you accuse others of ignorance of facts when you are oh so carefully selective with your own.

        • thelostdot

          The Israeli state is not ultra right wing or anti-gay. How do you think Dana I. can exist? Try to properly understand what is going on. there is a peace movement in Israel. Do you know what would happen to anybody advocating peace in Gaza?

          • Marlon Toledo Lacsamana

            And that makes it OK? There are also Palestinian LGBTs who are struggling in their society, and with the Israeli attacks and occupation makes their living twice difficult. Unless of course if you can prove to me or to all those who read this post that the IDF would stop their bombing or shooting once a Palestinian proclaim “I am gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender/queer,” so far they never did stop to think that they are shooting and killing children and women. And yes I do know peace advocates from Gaza and the West Bank, and like all peace advocates and advocacies around the world they face the same problems.

        • Mark Y

          Whereas you think hamas are ‘friends of gays’? Hamas are ultra right wing orthodox muslims.

        • Marlon Toledo Lacsamana

          I would also want to add, history and holy books should not be used to justify this occupation and land grabbing. History books reveal that, besides the Hebrews, the Assyrians (Syria), Babylonians (Iraq), Romans (Italy), Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates (Saudi Arabia), Mamluks (Egypt), Ottomans (Turkey) and the British Empire (United Kingdom) all claimed and ruled present day Israel and Palestine. The holy books of all three Abrahamic religions–Judaism, Christianity, and Islam–have been used to justify the worst atrocities: the genocide, rape, and enslavement of Philistines, Canaanites, Midianites, etc.; the bloody Jihads; and the murderous Crusades. Studies show that indigenous Semites, wether Israeli or Palestinian, are genetical identical. After all, many of today’s Palestinian Muslims and Christians were once Jews before converting to the religion of past conquerors of the region. Ironically, it was the Jews who refused to convert and were displaced by the Diaspora throughout Europe and America who bear little resemblance to native Semites, culturally or otherwise, after generations of conversions, intermarriages, and assimilation.

      • Marlon Toledo Lacsamana

        Off course Israel is not trying to seize Gaza, since Israel still retained exclusive control over Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters, with the exception of its southernmost border (where Egypt retained control of the border) and continued to monitor and blockade Gaza’s coastline. Israel largely provides for and controls Gaza’s water supply, electricity and communications infrastructure, making Israel an occupying power according to the Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International who by the way in international treaties have an obligation to protect the people it occupies. This is not war between nations, its a war between occupiers and occupied. I’m sure all organizations around the world fighting for liberation do not recognize their occupiers, so go figure…

  • Robert W. Pierce

    She’s probably not aware that the UK is the second largest provider of aid to Israel after the U.S. Each year, we send roughly £6 billion in financial aid and about the same amount in arms deals.

  • Andy Diamond

    Not that I had much respect before this comment for her but I’ve lost ALL respect after reading this.

    • thelostdot

      Mt respect is much increased.

  • Ali Cat

    Funny, I don’t remember Dana International expressing anti-European sentiments when she entered Eurovision,which if she hadn’t won none of us would be having this discussion as none of would have heard of her. She was happy for all of us Europeans to vote for her now she wants us to shut up.

  • Mark Y

    If Scotland were firing rockets at English towns and were making
    statements like ‘The English should be driven into the sea’, and were
    building secret tunnels into England, and Scottish people were strapping
    bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up in English towns and
    cities, and were financed by another nation who stated that ‘England
    should be wiped off the map’. I think the World would understand if we
    retaliated.

    • David H

      This is the problem isn’t it. I think we all sympathise with the everyday people of both countries; but neither side is blameless and neither side is prepared to negotiate a lasting peace. I only hope that they decide enough is enough sooner rather than later – far too many innocents have died already.

      • Mark Y

        I agree, neither side is blameless, but so many people on seem to be taking sides and laying the blame.

        And negotiations just don’t matter. When has a war ended with negotiation? One side has to surrender, and the other side is the winner. That’s what happens in war.

        Personally, I don’t think there will ever be peace in Israel until one of the sides says we have lost the war, we surrender. The palestinian muslims want control of that area, and they do not want jews living there – that’s not my opinion – that’s what they say. And the jews want a country of their own. So they will be locked in conflict.

        It does make me laugh hearing all the righteous British and Americans saying how evil Israelis are though when you think of all the people, men, women and children, we’ve killed in the World to be the rich ‘free’ nations we are.

        • David H

          I understand what you mean about the surrender aspect. Here the land issue means that some element of negotiation has got to happen in the end. The problem, as we all know, is that whatever is negotiated will fine for a few years and then one side or the other will kick start everything again as they won’t have what they want.

          • Mark Y

            Exactly. Perpetual ‘holy’ war. I think a lot of them love it to be honest. Makes them feel closer to jahweh and allah. Sad.

        • Rehan

          When has a war ended with negotiation?

          The Korean War did.

          And you never know – look at Northern Ireland, which has come a long way further than anyone might have thought it would 20 years ago.

          • Mark Y

            Korea was a civil war. Very different to the war in Israel. It has never really ended in korea. Since the armistace there has been numerous aggressive acts, especially by north korea. It’s a cold war between both countries, with the constant threat of apparent nuclear arms being fired. It’s hardly peace in korea. And it wasn’t ended by peaceful negotiations. It was ended because neither side were winning – because both sides (because of external support) had an equal military power – and Russia, China and America couldn’t be bothered financing their support any more, so they got the North and South, which they originally divided, to sign an agreement and agree a border. It wasn’t really a war between north and south Koreans, it was more a war between the US and Russia, which both sides gave up on.

            It’s so different in Israel. This is a war between Israeli’s and palestinians. And it is clear that Israel could, if they wanted to, because of their military supremacy, wipe palestine off the map. But they don’t.

            Northern Ireland weren’t at war with the UK, Northern Ireland is part of the UK. There were terrorists within the country that wanted independence. The comparison is not related at all to this conflict.

            It’s a nice idea to think that they will negotiate and live peacefully with flowers, coca cola happy faces, and michael jackson heal the world songs, but that’s just not going to happen. If you’re still alive in 30 years, I promise you……

            1 – they will still be fighting. Even if it is a cold war 2 state stalemate for a few years.
            2- the palestinians will have won (because of iran and the muslim world’s help), and Israel will not exist.
            3 – the israeli’s will have won and the palestinians will be living in an Israeli state.

            But I assure you, there will not be a 2 nation peace settlement which has lasting real peace. When you know about the history of that land, and the 2 religions fighting, you know that It just won’t happen.

          • Rehan

            Do you think Israel and its military supremacy would exist without US and UK assistance? I’m not so sure.

            I fail to see you you can label the Korean War a ‘civil war’ and at the same time imagine that what’s going on in Gaza is any different. And so they got the North and South, which they originally divided, to sign an agreement and agree a border is actually a fairly useful definition of ‘negotiation.’

            However, and with regret, I tend to agree with you that any lasting peaceful resolution is unlikely.

          • Mark Y

            Israel has a GDP of $300 billion
            Gaza has a GDP of $6.5 billion

            They can buy a lot more bombs and afford to pay soldiers. And don’t forget that palestinians receive help from iran, saudi & syria. The UK and US don’t give Israel bombs, they buy them.

            And Korea is not at peace. Just as the Russians and West were not at peace during the cold war. It’s a constant threat of aggression. The North hate the South, and the South hate the North. They are completely divided, not in a peaceful way – you know that really. Literally last year, the World thought that North Korea were going to drop a nuclear bomb on the South. Hardly peace, is it?

            The war in Israel is not a civil war. They are a completely different ethnicity and religion and there are 2 countries. What divides them is so different. A civil war is when two different opinions fight in the same state/country. Gaza is not part of Israel, they don’t govern Gaza. It’s war between two states. These are not people in the same state/country. So no, it’s not a civil war in Israel,but it was a civil war in Korea.

          • Rehan

            At the risk of perpetuating what is, at best, a tangential discussion, (1) Israel receives at least $3bn a year in aid from the US, 74% of which – from what I’ve been able to find out – has to be spent on the acquisition of US defence equipment, services, and training. Do correct me if I’m wrong here.

            (2) You yourself referred to two global superpowers being involved in the Korean War, not as monitors but on different sides: by no definition I’ve ever seen does that make it a civil war. By all means provide me with reputable evidence to the contrary.

            (3) Countries that are not at war, ie recognised states who have officially declared war on each other, are at peace – it’s not a great description, I agree, but I know of no other, Pakistan and India have just as uneasy a relationship, but they are not ‘at war’.

            Now, perhaps we should get back to the delightfully-expressed wisdom of Ms Dana International?

    • john lyttle

      You mean Scotland isn’t doing that?

      • Mark Y

        Not yet. But if they get a NO vote.They might just start.

    • Jeremy Wright

      That’s frightfully misleading, because at no point in your analogy has the word “blockade” or “settlement” featured. Nor does the fact that in the case of Gazans, Hamas were unfortunately democratically elected by them.

      And also what of the far right leaders of the Israeli cabinet who want to annex the entire of Judea and Samaria and Netanyahu persisting with building settlements in land in the occupied territories?

      The problem for Gaza is that their plight goes largely unnoticed until events like this happen and the crippling blockade continues and only now a spotlight has been cast on the situation. If food is scarce and medical supplies are stopped by an occupying power in a manner that constitutes collective punishment, something has to be done about it.

      We, in the LGBT community, ought to be very careful who we ally ourselves with, we are no friends of the LGBT community if we give succour to a very right wing Israeli government many of whose members wish to curb rights to LGBT people. There are LGBT Gazans not more than 30 miles away from the Tel Aviv pride which will get barely any mention. Should we really be caring about their right to marry, or a right to live in some degree of dignity and access to medical treatment? You choose.

  • titietrominet

    Since when do we need your approval to speak ? Mind you from an Eurovision singer LOL Dana can put her opinion up in her ass where it rightfully belongs.

  • Gerard

    She should shut the f*ck up and remember the support she got from Holland, Belgium and Britain. Its hardly an objective position on her part really.

  • john lyttle

    Come in now Dana International. Your fifteen minutes are up.

  • Hope

    Then I suggest she stays out of Europe.

    • thelostdot

      Somebody who is anti-homophobia is welcome as far as I’m concerned – makes a change coming from there NOT being an Islamist hate preacher!

  • Jeremy Wright

    She shouldn’t be getting involved. There are clear rules of conflict governed by our experiences of World War II, and the legal code and constitutions that were set up as well as the Human rights framework are all testament to that. Israel goes on about how it is a UN member but it flagrantly breaks the rules on a daily basis.

    Many conservative pro-Israel leaders including Cameron when he started have condemned Israel for imposing collective punishment on the Gazans and turning into a prison from a crippling blockade.

    Israel had lost the support of the international community some time ago; but, as increasingly right wing governments get elected in Israel the prospects dim ever more, if ever there were a need for a secular liberal resurgence in a country this is it. All the while Netanyahu and the ultra right are running the show nothing will happen, a lot of talk but more suffering for Palestinians, more settlements and more incursions.

    It’s all well talking about LGBT rights in Israel being progressive; but, it is the same forces that want to punish the Palestinians still further that want to curb LGBT rights and prevent civil unions and marriages for gays in that country too. LGBT support for Israel should be tempered until there is a genuine commitment for equality of rights for anyone Israeli and Palestinian and governments elected that reflect that and act to ensure it is secured.

  • RedDevil9

    What she fails to understand is that the same people who are protesting against what Israel is doing also protested against what our own country has done. I’m not responsible for the British Empire, I wasn’t even born then and I have never supported the illegal invasions in recent years. Over a million people protested against the Iraq war in London, but they still went ahead with it anyway.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Saying that ‘you did it, so we can do it too’ is a pathetic attempt at an ‘excuse’ for wiping out another people, stealing their land and dehumanising them.

    If you take a look at Israeli media, Jerusalem Online etc., they make it look like Israel is ‘at war’ and ‘the victim’. A war has two armies. A Palestinian people’s resistance with next to useless homemade weapons is not an ‘army’. The propaganda is so thick over there that they’ve brainwashed much of the Israeli population into believing it all.

  • Lisethy

    I’ve never invaded anyone’s country, murdered anyone, or abused their human rights. I imagine the same is true for most people reading this. So, I think we are entitled to an opinion. ‘Your country’s history isn’t perfect, therefore you can’t criticise my country’s behaviour right now’ is not a valid argument

  • Mae Rogers

    Oh,well.I guess even a Tgirl can be an _sshole.Sigh,,,,,I must disagree,it is not Israels turn to become genocidal expansionist’s.We as a global society must put an end to the practice of using superior firepower and financial resources to take from those less popular or powerful.I’ll make it simple.Grow up humanity,Love thy neighbor as thyself and, do not do anything to another that you don’t want done to you.Seems like most see it as do nothing to others that you cannot stop them from doing to you.

  • Scrupulous.Geographer

    When such strong words are said, it may be a call to ask questions. Perhaps Dana is in no position to speak about it, but we should treat it as an invitation to probe this war

  • genjiken

    Im not sure why this gets copy but ill bite, the statement is utterly naive. The United Kingdom were the de facto authority of a colony now known as Israel. The UK permitted the creation of the state of Israel, and therefore the UK can quite rightly take moral responsibility for everything that has occurred subsequently.

    The UK, and NATO is not only responsible for the defence of Israel, NATO will be held accountable for the actions of Israel on its borders.

    Without compromising the priority of defending Israel, ultimately NATO will be forced to limit Israel’s military pursuits, by whatever means necessary.

    That not politics, thats common sense.

    • genjiken

      ok, my statement is at best marginally less naive than Dana’s :)

    • Constantinos S. Constantinou

      ”The UK permitted the creation of the state of Israel, and therefore the
      UK can quite rightly take moral responsibility for everything that has
      occurred subsequently.”

      I fully disagree on this. UK is responsible of taking the decision to divide the land of Palestine between Jews and Arabs and subsequently backing the Israeli positions. UK is fully responsible of this mess since 1947! Give me one reason why UK’s decision to grant to Jews an Israeli state in the regi
      on is historically and politically correct.

      • genjiken

        Ok, you disagree with my comments, why.

        I said the UK is responsible, you say the UK is responsible, sounds like complete agreement. Im interested in your question and its answer, but fail to see how it stands in contention to my comment.

    • Constantinos S. Constantinou

      Sorry I misunderstood…

  • kane

    ignorant tw@t

  • kane

    israel is guilty of war crimes in palestine

  • Lightseeker

    I agree completely, Israel is guilty of slaughtering thousands of innocent Palestinians beginning in 1948, Deir Yassin was the village they first massacred after the British army pulled out. The Irgun terrorists were responsible. The Israelis have always been terrorists. The Hamas are freedom fighters, they have tried to agree to a two-state solution. But the Israelis have broken international laws over and over by blindly allowing new settlements on Palestinians land, they have destroyed more than 600.000 Olive trees, destroyed the Palestinians livelihoods, they have robbed the children of lives. Over half the Palestinian population is under 18, why? Because the adults are being extinguished by Israelis. They are a violent racist nation using religious and ridiculous augments to justify genocide. Stop the lies, stop lying to yourselves Israelis!! Go back to Europe, and end this illegal occupation.

    • Balance

      Lightseeker, you outrageously claim that “Over half the Palestinian population is under 18, why? Because the adults are being extinguished by Israelis”.

      By far, the main reason for so many under 18yos is that Palestinians are having an absurd number of children.
      This is not only bad for living conditions in an already cramped Gaza (lack of space, water, electricity, food etc) but also unsustainable in terms of saving the planet.

      I agree with you that the Israelis are behaving badly, but the Gazans have to take some responsibility for voting in Hamas and for having an outrageous number of kids. This is one of the main reasons why Muslims always end up fighting over land and resources with the people whose land they invade (including UK and France and actually the whole of the Middle East and North Africa, which used to be Christian, Jewish, pantheist etc).

  • Robbie A

    I support Israel! It is getting far too much criticism thrown at it! The terrorist government in Gaza are the bad guys! I feel like laughing when I hear of groups like ‘gays for Palestine’ etc. They don’t want support from gays, they hate us. If you’re gay and lived in Gaza or one of the other territories, you would quite simply be murdered or jailed! Israel isn’t like that! Arguably the gay capital of Asia. Israel didn’t stand the current conflict in Gaza! They were attacked by rockets! Not to mention those Israel poor teenage boys who got kidnapped and murdered, by scumbags from Gaza! You cannot expect Israel to just sit there while hundreds of rockets are attacking them! Israel agreed to several ceasefires. Hamas broke all of them! Hamas is even responsible for the deaths of many of its own people! Israel warns people in Gaza to get to a safe place, because they are about to make an attack on Hamas. Hamas then deliberately tells those families to stay in the house, to up the casualty numbers! I don’t know any other army that warns of attacks to the enemy, before they even happen. Hamas hide weapons in schools and hospitals! What kind of sickos do that? These poor Palestinians that everyone is going on about, do not want there to be an Israel at all! A lot of them hate Jews! Hamas has already said in very recent interviews that they like violence and want to throw Jews out of that part of the world!

    • Jeremy Wright

      Many of us support Israel Robbie, and we know Israel has many more LGBT rights than the rest of the region; but the Gaza case is exceptional because the blockade instituted by Israel has amounted to collective punishment, if you can’t get food, medical supplies or clean water into your country what good is walking along with a rainbow flag or being able to marry your bf then? There may indeed be close to 50-100,000 LGBT Gazans but I doubt getting to a registry office is their first priority.

      There is no proof that Hamas is upping the casualty numbers and when even the U.S. Secretary of state is saying “it is a helluva pinpoint operation” and criticising the appalling loss of life inflicted by bombing you have to draw your own conclusions, given how silent and supportive of Israel they are normally.

    • kane

      ‘… Israel warns people in Gaza to get to a safe place, because they are about to make an attack on Hamas…’

      and then israel, instead of shelling the hamas, blows these places up. like the schools that were protected by UN.

      ‘…If you’re gay and lived in Gaza or one of the other territories, you would quite simply be murdered or jailed

      palestine is a impoverished country, thanks to isreali’s blockedes. basic human rights are denied to all palestinians not by hamas but but israeli’s cruel oppression. and finally as a gay palestinian you are more likely to be killed by israeli’s tank shelling then be murdered by hamas

  • Olterigo

    Dana’s right. The Middle East since ancient times has been divided religiously, ethnically, along sectarian lines, etc. That’s why Sunnis are killing Shiites and Shiites are killing Sunnis. That’s why Yezidis are being forced to choose to convert or die. That’s why the number of Christians is decreasing everywhere in the Middle East, except for Israel proper. It’s nice to be a Western European, living in a peaceful society, where your biggest worry is not whether you’ll live tomorrow but which club to go to tonight. (And Dana correctly pointed out that much of that nice living is a result of exploiting the peoples and reserves of the rest of the world.)

  • Arne-Michael Waade

    Dana should shut her pretty, in my view, hateful little mouth. She only repeats the murderous Israelis arguments.

  • Glen Hague

    We have not suffered as the Jewish people suffered in the holocaust – 5 million killed, men, women and children in one of the most cold blooded acts of genocide ever committed. Only if you can understand and empathise with the survivors can you understand why Israel does what it does – as an Israeli friend told me “we will never let them do it to us again”. Israel is surrounded by hostile states who would like to see it destroyed and its people driven into the sea (or worse). Hamas is cut from the same cloth as ISIS and would nuke Israel out of existence if it had the means to do so. All of this does not excuse what Israel has done with regards to civilian deaths in Gaza but it helps us to understand it. What is happening in Iraq is far, far worse but there will be no demonstrations, or support for the victims. Where is the solidarity with them?

  • dennis h

    such an ignorant woman, disgusting, a never as been star

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