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Christian Concern: Stonewall is an ideological propaganda machine attacking normal families

  • Mike84

    Attacking normal families? oh, so Christian concern have nothing to worry about then.

    • luke

      Precisely, the transparent hypocrisy is tremendous!

  • roamingcat

    because up until this point in history, marriage has demonstrated that throughout its history every product of it turns out perfectly fine. Oh, what does jesus think about single parent families, divorce, sex out of marriage, arranged marriages, polygamy, rape within marriage, domestic violence,…. false prophets, idolatry, heavy make-up and going out of ones way to celebrate hatred and malice??

    • GulliverUK

      Polygamy is fine, nothing wrong with that, it’s in the Bible. In fact, when the first parts of the Bible were written … Polygamy was the natural state of marriage. A man could have as many wives as he could afford – because women were property. The commandment not to covert your neighbors wife is because your wife is property.

      God sent 2 bears to rip apart 42 boys (2 Kings 2:24) because they made fund of a prophets bald head – so we know he has anger management issues. Oh, and then there was the flood where he killed all the babies, men, women, children, animals, etc., on the whole of the planet. That is serious psychotic homicidal maniac stuff.

      • misfit44

        Dear of deary me. Get a Bible and read it before you come out with all this second hand guff about the Bible that you clearly got from your uncle Sid or aunt Nellie.

        • Temp

          Which bible by the way….a book written by people 3000 years ago. Not even wise words, full of killings, control, persecution, fear, fear and threats. Sounds like a box office hit?..lol!!!!!!

          The world is growing up and guess what. No-one wants the bible now. The world is getting better for more people since we dropped it. Look at the countries that still believe in it. Backward places.

          Human rights, equality, and diversity for all. Look forward not backwards. Would anyone want to live about the time the bible was written?….not me.

          • misfit44

            It might be getter “better ” as you say it for gays, since there is nothing that society is allowed to deny them. But children are denied both father and mother with the introduction of IVF, surrogacy, gay adoption and gay marriage. You see homosexuality it all about narcissism. It’s all about getting what they want when they want it and hell with the needs of children.
            This is not sustainable, so you had better enjoy what you have stolen from children, before the pendulum swings the other way.

          • Guest

            According you your ex-wife you were a violent father, remind us of what you stole from your own children when you were beating them?

          • misfit44

            wow, pilgrim, I think you are the victim of chinese whispers and probably other delusions.

          • Guest

            Stephen Green the well known wife and child beater well that’s an achievement for a bible thumping crazy isn’t it? As for whispers your ex-wife was in good voice and her story is all over the internet along with your pathetic denials. Have you no shame at all? None? What a low wretch you are.

        • Mark Y

          Why would anyone want to read a book written thousands of years ago by insane imbeciles? My advice would be to put your bible back on the shelf and forget about it. It’s obviously doing you no good for your mental health.

          • Tristan

            Exactly! Where is the evidence this book is real – and how can people, thousands of years later, follow it (selectively of course) – they cherry pick what they want in order to justify their bigotry! That book was written by man (for man) and reflects the ideological discourses of those times! I want empirical evidence that this story book is fact, please missfit44!

          • misfit44

            Tell me just how old does a book have to be before it becomes obsolete- four thousand years, four hundred years, four years, four days? It is the gays who are fossilised in the Stonwallian period. They belong in Dawkins museum of homo erectus, homosapiens, homosexuals and finally homoextinctus

          • Guest

            Beat the drum for hate, beat the bible for cash and beat your wife and children just because you could was that it Stephen?

          • misfit44

            No guest I am not Stephen, Sid, Earnie or even Vera. You’re wasting your time.

          • Guest

            You are a bare faced liar Stephen Green, you revealed yourself in your retelling Tesco escapade here and on your own website it’s the exact same story. You are Stephen Green the ranting phony.and you are a waste of space, skin, and time.

          • Guest

            http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_Green

            Stephen Green is the Director of a “prophetic ministry” in the UK, Christian Voice[1]. What this means in practice is harassing gay people, bringing malicious legal actions and generally campaigning for people to be killed. Just like Jesus would have done.

            The media frequently call him for a rent-a-quote because he is such a reliable lunatic.

            He is sometimes nicknamed “Birdsh*t” after a gull relieved itself upon him while he was being filmed for a documentary[2]. This was, of course, a sign from God.

            For as long as you keep turning up posting your hate against us, I will keep proving that it is you Green, and i will keep reminding people of who and what you really are.

        • Rehan

          You’re clearly oddly unfamiliar with the account of the home life of your own dear patriarch Jacob. I suggest you follow your own advice to GulliverUK, you seem to be in greater need of it than he.

          • misfit44

            Of course I am familiar with Jacob and all the other personalities. None of them come up smelling of roses. The Bible in no way tries to hide the warts and failings of its heroes. Just look at David: an adultery, polygamist and murderer and yet God chose this fallible human being to work out His own purposes. And Jacob’s polygamy had consequences. His was not a happy family, indeed his grandfather, Abraham was not exactly a model husband either, yet God used all of these work out (his)tory The Bible says that there is not one person who is good and that we all deserve the dure punishment of rejecting God. And yet, He sent His son, Jesus Christ to save us whilst we were still in our sinful state so that we would not have to face the judgement. Moreover, we are being renewed, changed from one degree of glory to another so that one day we will look just like our brother, the Lord Jesus Christ. On that day we will have been made perfect and live with hIm forever.

            Revelations 21

            5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

            6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

          • Rumbelow

            I guess Andrea Minichiello Williams has had it then…liars etc.

          • temp

            Crikey ….it’s off on one…do you think there was a flash of lightning and smoke!

          • Rehan

            Thanks – a splendid example of an ideological propaganda machine in relation to the OT. Followed by an elaborate and quite imaginative fantasy. Pity it’s all bollocks.

          • Guest
          • Tristan

            OMG is this true!?

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Yes, and the same Bible that you quote tells us that everything that David did was right, with the sole exception of his despicable behaviour with regard to Bathsheba and Uriah:

            “And if you will walk in my ways, keeping my statutes and my commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.” (1 Kings 3:14)

            “Because David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.” (1 Kings 15:5)

            We are told that his heart was “wholly true to the Lord”. (1 Kings 15:3)

            So clearly the Lord approved of David’s polygamy. We find many examples of polygamy in the Old Testament, and nowhere in either the Old or the New Testament do we find the slightest hint that it was wrong. David and Gideon (who we are told had “many wives”) are named in the Epistle to the Hebrews as examples of the faith which is necessary to please God (Hebrews 11). Martin Luther wrote: “I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture.” When Philip Landgrave of Hesse wanted to have two wives. Luther told him, “That’s OK, Philip old chap. If the Old Testament patriarchs could do it, then you can do it too.”

            Oh, and how did Jehovah punish David for his adultery with Bathsheba and for contriving the death of her husband? By causing the death not of David, but of the little boy whom he had sired with Bathsheba. What wonderful morality!

        • Rumbelow

          Talk about vintage second hand guff, they don’t come much more vintage, more second hand or guffier than that dreary old book.

        • SilverFireFox77

          Meh, I have read the Bible. Had to read it twice though, just to make sure I found all the COMPLETE AND UTTER BS right the way through it.

    • misfit44

      Yes an who caused it? The bisexual pervert, Alfred Kinsey and his pamphleteer, Hugh Hefner. Roy Jenkins in late 60′ completely took the wheels of marriage and now we say that it doesn’t work. Marxists deliberately subverted marriage and family in order to bring down the west. Read your Marcuse.

      • Bikerman

        Your potted history of 20th century social and sexual mores is hysterically funny and deeply ignorant

      • Mark Y

        Okay, you’re beginning to sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic. Go and leave some comments on an illuminati video on youtube, you’re not welcome here.

        • misfit44

          I thought the gay were for inclusion, non- discrimination, live and let live and tolerance of all opinions.
          Not so it seems.

      • Rob

        To give you a modicum of credit, the 11 key aims of “Cultural Marxism” do appear designed to break down society targeting, which they seem to be achieving at an exponential rate (Cameron, Clegg and Milliband are all closet Marxists), and Marxism has infiltrated and infected key sectors of society using political correctness to steamroll the changes as follows:

        1. The creation of racism offences.

        2. Continual change to create confusion

        3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children

        4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority

        5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.

        6. The promotion of excessive drinking

        7. Emptying of churches

        8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime

        9. Dependency on the state or state benefits

        10. Control and dumbing down of media

        11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

        Source: http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/11-recommendations-of-frankfurt-school.html

        I’m gay and open-minded, by the way.

        • Mark Y

          Jeez, not another complete loony tune.

        • R

          A more objective account of Cultural Marxism and its aims can be found at:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

          It’s all there in black and white, and certainly a lot of its aims are now common place in society. I believe it is totally possible to be gay and open to understanding the attack from within has been occurring to British society over the past couple of decades; a period during which the 11 implementations have more or less all been achieved. While I believe in equal rights for everyone regardless of sexuality, I also feel strongly that gay people as objective thinkers can be encouraged to see how they have been used politically and blind-sided by politicians, who ensure us they have our best interests at heart when really they use us to achieve their malign objectives. I certainly believe that when and if they ever reach their end game of total societal subversion and control, we will see their true colours and towards us and we will realize, too late, how we were being used all along as pawns to lobby for some of the changes to society they were intent on administering.

          • misfit44

            Indeed, Rob. More eloquently put than I could have put it.

            This recording of an ex- KGB officer, Yuri Bezmenov, tells of the subversion and infiltration of Western Institutions. He speaks of feminists who are the useful idiots, but the Marxist, Marcuse, said it would be students, militant feminists, black and homosexual who would be the weapons of choice to undermine western society. Then when they had served their purpose they would be disposed of. – sqashed like maggots.
            Indeed the same happened in Nazi Germany. The homosexual Ernst Rohm, founder of the Brown Shirts did all the dirty work for Hitler and then when it was time to get rid of he did.

          • Rob

            Third sector corporate charities are just one of the channels through which Marxist ideologies are funneled, which is why this particular Pink News story concerns me so. Stonewall is now so highly politicized and its succession of directors firmly entrenched in the corridors of power that it is obvious where this new push to sexualize children – because that is what Stonewall CEO Ruth Hunt is effectively advocating for impressionable infants using gay bullying as the raison d’etre – is really coming from (Angela Mason, for example, who headed Stonewall from 1992-2002, left the organization to become a civil servant and is now a Labour councilor). So many snouts in so many troughs, and all pushing forward the insidious Marxist agenda to demoralize and destabilize society from within..

          • Rumbelow

            “…this new push to sexualize children – because that is what Stonewall CEO Ruth Hunt is effectively advocating for impressionable infants using gay bullying as the raison d’etre … ”

            Stonewall’s CEO Ruth Hunt suggested that preschools should teach children about different family structures from a young age. Nothing about sexualizing children there Rob troll.

          • Rob

            It is plain and simple indoctrination whose ultimate aim is to homo-sexualize children into lifestyles they may not otherwise have pursued. By implanting an idea at such a young and impressionable age you sow the seed and subvert the child’s natural development. It is sexualization whichever way you look at it Sure, it might be acceptable from your perspective as a gay lobbyist who has an interest in there being as many of us as possible to bolster its stand. But I am gay and I just don’t care less whether 1.5 or 5% of the population is gay; I most certainly don’t support any malign and insidious efforts by the Marxist left to subvert kiddies at such a young age into joining our ranks.

          • misfit44

            In that case you are not gay by Stonewall’s definition. Being gay is being a radicalised militant , in exactly the same way that being a true Muslim is.

          • misfit44

            That is very true, Rob. I am glad someone hasn’t lost their critical faculties on this thread.

        • misfit44

          Credit indeed. Rob. Any crumb to fall from your table is worth it.

          • Tristan

            Who would ever take you seriously? Sitting in Mommy’s basement whaking off to bible stories and trolling Gay News websites #Loon

          • Rob

            I don’t need credit from you thanks very much. You are extremist in most of your views but there is a kernel of truth in what you say lies at the heart of the rapid changes of our society over the last few decades which is commonly referred to as “progress” and more commonly globalization. But towards what end result? Your You Tube link certainly puts a stark perspective on the issue, and anyone watching it with bananas in their ears should just ask themselves how, for example, all our key institutions from the NHS to education, the police, border patrol to name a few are failing at an alarming rate thanks to the Marxist indoctrination of public life using political correctness as its stock in trade. Because it isn’t down to plain old incompetence; it is by design, and the elephant in the room that an alarming number of Pink News commentators clearly fail to grasp, which is why it is important for a gay man’s voice to be heard on this issue. Here is another interesting link for anyone interested in educating themselves on the Marxist subversion of British society in the name of “progress”:

            http://britishdemocraticparty.org/david-cameron-the-marxist-globalisation-and-the-crushing-of-the-human/

          • misfit44

            Extremist you say. You must be joking. What about the 30 odd queers who beat up Harry Hammond in Bournemouth Square in 2001 for holding up Biblically true statements. He subsequently died from the attack.
            No doubt you would cast Jesus Christ as extremist when he says that sinners will be cast into the burning lake

          • Rob

            Firstly, who are you to speak for Jesus? And kindly provide the text in which he speaks of such barbarism? Wasn’t he a prophet of unconditional love?

          • misfit44

            In Matthew 10: 28, Jesus said, “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
            I suggest you do some research of your own. Any knowledge you find for yourself will be of greater value than my telling you. Jesus Christ said, “Seek and ye shall find.”

          • Guest

            http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/features/snapshotsofthepast/11328456.Ten_years_of_Bourne_Free__How_celebration_of_diversity_became_one_of_Bournemouth___s_biggest_events/

            “Mr Hammond’s views were denounced by his own granddaughter, who said he was a paranoid schizophrenic and that his views were a result of his mental illness.

            She told the Echo at the time: “None of us condone what he did but he was not of sound mind and it’s very upsetting to think that people who are of sound mind are planning to use his name to promote their own bigotry.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hammond

            Posthumous appeal[edit]

            In January 2004, a posthumous appeal (Hammond v Director of Public Prosecutions) on the basis of the Human Rights Act failed. A two-judge panel, Lord Justice May sitting with Mr Justice Harrison, at the High Court in London, was told the sign caused a furore as a group of 30 to 40 people gathered round. Hugh Tomlinson, QC, appearing for Hammond’s executors, said: “He (Hammond) was subjected to a number of assaults. Soil was thrown at him and water poured over his head. Someone tried to seize the sign and he was knocked to the ground.”

            The justices were of the opinion that the words on the sign were insulting and caused distress to persons who were present and that the defendant was aware of that fact. The judges ruled that that Hammond’s behaviour “went beyond legitimate protest” and that Hammond’s right to freedom of expression under section 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights was constrained by a legitimate concern to prevent disorder and that there was a pressing social need for the restriction.

            A further appeal to the European Court of Human Rights was dismissed.[5]

          • Rehan

            ‘He subsequently died from the attack': unless you can provide evidence to support your contention that Hammond’s death 10 months after the incident was the direct result of the brawl that resulted from his deliberately provocative behaviour, you are bearing false witness, you are a liar. According to your own delusions, you shall burn in hell – and may I say it will be a richly deserved reward.

        • Rumbelow

          Thank goodness you point out right at the end that you are gay and open-minded because otherwise who would have known?

      • SilverFireFox77

        Okay, what the hell is your problem with Marxists? Please, LEARN THE BLOODY DEFINITION OF MARXIST BEFORE YOU SPOUT.

        • Rob

          Where to start…

      • Guest

        http://freethinker.co.uk/2011/01/29/uk%E2%80%99s-craziest-evangelist-stephen-green-exposed-as-a-dictatorial-violent-monster/ Stepen Green still crazy spouting on about “family” read about how he did with his own at the link provided.

        • Tristan

          Name and shame

  • GulliverUK

    Christian Concern is run by a women whose only way of having an organism is by listening to her own voice. Her best friend Nadine Dorries has affairs with married men, and bangs on about Christian values — love, they used to stone people like you in Christian times under Christian doctrine you nutter.

    it’s an anti-gay hate group. They lie and twist and distort in order to denomise gay people, all based on their stupid religious beliefs. Williams has also been visiting Africa recently whipping up anti-gay hate. She disgusts me, and I’m sure most Christians who have heard of her also feel that way. She’s a revolting person, like a female version of Scott Lively.

    • Bikerman

      Is that an organism or orgasm :) ?

      • Rumbelow

        I think it’s a case of a nasty homophone having an historical onanistic organism.

    • misfit44

      What kind of organism would you describe yourself as?

      • GulliverUK

        An angry one Mr Skinner. Remember that all your posts can be traced directly back to you and where you live. Best behavior. It’s a shame your friends at The Christian Institute don’t have forums you can troll, telling people how they must lead their lives, i.e. according to what you tell them. Some of your old posts about us being pedophiles and cannibals are still on the web you know.

        • misfit44

          Calm down dear, calm down,

          • LJ

            In other words ‘I have no counter argument.’

          • Mark Y

            In other words, ‘I’m an ex gay who is so fcked up I come onto gay websites to try and justify my brainwashed christian senseless mind’ . Seriously, get a life you imbecile. Get some therapy. Some friends.

          • Guest

            Is that what your ex-wife used to say to you when you were abusing and beating her?

          • Tristan

            Why did you beat your wife and Kids? Misfitt44 you have been expose tut tut not very Christian of you…

        • Tristan

          you’re my new hero! :-) Name and shame those trolls!

        • Guest

          Nope not Skinner and not this time, misfit44 is in fact Stephen Green who is if anything worse in his expressions of hate for us. I think Green is rather like the other professional haters who hide behind the Bible mask, there;s no business quite as lucrative as christianity packaged to the brim with hate,

      • LJ

        … None of your posts make any sense.

    • D.McCabe

      If she was a true christian, she should be seen and not heard!

  • RickoP

    Urgh. Her again.

    • Rumbelow

      Yes, the demented moray eel has emerged from underneath her tiny submerged rock once more.

      • Roku

        She really does seem to have a gay fetish doesnt she. These people think about gay sex more than I do.

      • misfit44

        Homosexuality is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia is in a dog.

        • temp

          Religion is as dangerous as a fool with no brain, and no ability to think for themselves.

        • Rumbelow

          Oh misfit44,
          Are you likening Andrea Minichiello Williams to a rabid dog ?

        • Bikerman

          Utter b-lox

        • Rehan

          Aww, pet – are you frothing because you bitten by a naughty man in a tender spot? Didn’t you listen when mummy told you not to play with the big boys?

  • mattinlasvegas

    and religion has oohing to do with ideological propaganda. NOTHING is more ideological propaganda than religion, and few things are more dangerous; religion is responsible for more death and destruction than ANYTHING ELSE.

    • Bikerman

      Well said!

    • misfit44

      That is what the Robespiere, Stalin Mao Tse Tung and Kim Jong-un have said.

      • Rehan

        How fascinating, I had no idea Kim Jong-un had made any official statements about religion. Kindly direct me to a reputable source for your assertion.

      • Guest

        Do remind us of what they had to say about religious phonies who beat their spouses and children?

  • Rehan

    If any organisation should know all about being an ideological propaganda machine, it’s “Christian Concern.”

    • misfit44

      Read your Gay Manifesto of 1971, with a forward
      by Peter Tatchell and Elizabeth Wilson, the Marxist uncivil partner
      of Angela Mason, ex terrorist and
      anarchist.
      http://www.awakeman.co.uk/Sense/Books/GLF%20Manifesto%201971.pdf

      Read
      Michael Swift’s Manifesto
      http://www.blessedcause.org/protest/Gay%20Manifesto.htm

      Read Peter Tatchell’s Beyond Equality:

      http://www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/equality_not_enough/beyond_equality.htm
      Now that is an ideological propaganda machine. Read ” After the Ball” and in fact just read Pink News to get the up to day Pink Propaganda

      • temp

        Nutter is back.

      • Mark Y

        What the fck are you going on about? You’re so paranoid, do you take a lot of drugs? The government should track you and keep an eye on you, you’re seriously screwed up.

        • Rehan

          He’s not important enough for that, I think he’s just a sad loner (misfit) who’s not read anything published in the last 40 years.

          • Rumbelow

            Goes without saying.

          • Guest

            Stephen Green has had quite a bit published over the years mostly by himself admittedly. His chums in the BBC always gave him a call when they needed a hater to spew for the news team. He is a hater for money, his job is hating, he is hateful.

      • Rehan

        ‘Angela Mason, ex terrorist’ – bless. Thanks for the laughs.

    • Temp

      I was about to write the same. All religions indoctronate. She is living in the past. People are getting wise to religion and society is improving despite religious nutters. Equality of thought, mind, attitude and society is what matters. We are well able to live in a diverse world. We do not need books written 3000 years to to add anything today.

      christion concern…yes we are concerned about christian, catholic and other religions. Get them off this planet please.

      • Rumbelow

        Here’s how evangelical Christians target 5 year olds and scare them about sin, punishment and going to hell for eternity.

        • anon

          Should be illegal.
          Children have an inalienable right to live free from this abuse.

      • misfit44

        The kind of diversity you are talking about is the one advocated by Peter Tatchell and Stonewall.

        The Equality and Human Rights Commission is dominated by the anarchist, Marxist, IVF mother, and lesbian, Angela Mason whose civil partner, Elizabeth Wilson co-wrote the preface with Peter Tatchell to the Gay Liberation Front Manifesto of 1971. This clearly states its intention of destroying the family with a father and mother at its centre. These are extracts:

        “The
        oppression of gay people starts in the most basic unit of society,
        the family…Formal religious education is still part of everyone’s
        schooling, and our whole legal structure is supposedly based on
        Christianity, whose archaic and irrational teachings support the
        family and marriage as the only permitted condition for sex…Yet
        although this struggle will be hard, and our victories not easily
        won, we
        are not in fact being idealistic to aim at abolishing the family….
        the family unit …will not disappear….without a struggle…

        Gay shows the way. In some ways we are already more advanced than straight people. We are already outside the family….We
        question however as an ideal, the finding and settling down eternally with one ‘right’ partner. This is the blue-print of the straight
        world which gay people have taken over…. we
        believe that the suffocating small family unit is by no means the
        best atmosphere for bringing up children.

        The GLF Manifesto articulates a radical agenda for a… revolution in
        cultural values and social institutions. It critiques …. marriage,
        the nuclear family, monogamy… and rigid male and female gender
        roles… it outlines an alternative vision of how society and personal
        relationships could be, including living communally, gender
        subversive radical drag and non-possessive multipartner open
        relationships.”

        Talking of the Gay Liberation Front Tatchell said,
        “We shared a radical idealism- a dream of what the World could and should be- free from not just homophobia but the whole sex- shame culture, which oppressed straights as much as LGBTs. We
        were sex liberationists and social revolutionaries, out to turn the
        world upside down…. It questioned marriage, nuclear family, monogamy and patriarchy…Erotic shame and guilt would be banished. There would be sexual freedom and human rights for everyone- gay, bi and straight. Our message was ‘innovate, don’t assimilate.’”

        Tatchell advocates sex between adults and minors, pornography, prostitution, sado – masochism and all the other filth.
        It is this that the gays would impose on us and OUR children, and what Cameron would export as one of our greatest exports.

        • http://www.folkthewar.blogspot.com/ Sue Jeffers

          i see the aggressive delusional asshat syndrome is not unique to the united states

        • CHBrighton

          You have got involved with the debate, haven’t you, but you haven’t engaged your brain. You don’t like what these LGBT individuals have said in the past, and because these individuals are LGBT you assume that what they say is also said by all other LGBT people. They don’t. Some people may agree with them, some may not. It is a debate. Ideas are put into the ring and considered; that is all. There is no gay lobby. There is no gay mafia. There is no gay conspiracy to take over the world. There are LGBT individuals who offer their own ideas, perspectives and reflections on what they have experienced and what they observe; there are organisations of and for LGBT people who carry out research and place their findings and analyses in the public domaine where they can contribute to the debate. The debate and it’s contribution to the improvement of our society is an important one. It has an impact on the lives of millions of people: LGBT people, their friends, families, colleagues, neighbours et al. And there are young LGBT people rising who realise about themselves that the world does not welcome them as they are – yet those young people only want to be themselves and live their lives to the full. They need support, they need role models and they need to know they are secure. Everything you have posted belies your ignorance of the true meaning of the debate and your inability to engage with it. Like other authoritarian people you want to insult and belittle people who don’t conform to your world view and, if you could, force them to live their lives according to your convictions and not according to their own hearts. If you want to return to this discussion, you are welcome but only if you have something constructive to say.

      • ccmo

        Ditto that…However there should be a place for Christians who do truly believe in God, and his truth. Not this ambiguous innocuous type of nonsense called Christianity today, “pick, and choose, and misinterpret Christianity” that’s what we have in place of truth today.

    • Rumbelow

      Christian Concern has recently been categorised as a hate site by Sky’s Broadband Shield blocking technology.

  • Bikerman

    Yea, whatever. I say that Christian Concern is a tiny ideological propaganda machine attacking law abiding LGBT people

  • Jock S.Trap

    ““Those who want to turn the world on its head have often tried to manipulate the state education system to achieve their ends.”

    Yes Andrea.. well it’s worked well for Religion hasn’t it for all these centuries .

    Maybe they should stop thinking sex and think humanity. Would make a pleasant change!

    • misfit44

      That is precisely what Cyril Smith and Jimmy Saville said. “Let’s be kind to one another!”

      • Bikerman

        You’re talking rubbish – as usual. Totally off point

      • Mark Y

        Are you supposed to be a christian? – it’s also what jesus said.

        You’re either a a boring troll, or you’ve got serious issues. Probably both. Sort your head out..

  • Marc Webster

    As I have said in a previous post I am totally against what Stonewall is proposing but I am even more against anything that Christian Concern says and does….this is such an evil organisation that it should be shut down….they propagate hatred….that Andrea creature is so ugly inside and out….she does not speak for Christians at all just her own vile beliefs….I know a Christian and he is horrified at some of the things this group get up to….he is a decent bloke and does not use his belief to deny others their happiness….as it should be

    • Jon (Malaysia)

      So I guess if it were up to a global vote on what Stonewall is proposing, we’d cancel each other out, but be united about Christian Concern.

  • Rumbelow

    Christian Concern is a crackpot ideological propaganda machine attacking gay people, their families and their relationships.

    • misfit44

      No what excites all of us is the massive abuse of children taking place in this country, with the perpetrators sitting in government. They can hide for only so long.

      • temp

        Most of them are christian or catholic…..da

        • misfit44

          As we have seen Ruth Hunt calls herself Catholic and Cameron calls himself a Christian and yet both will open the floodgates to paedophiles, just as Tony Blair and Gordon Brown did. – who also call themselves Christian. Come to think of it are you Christian too? As it’s quite the in thing at the moment.

          • SilverFireFox77

            *cough* CATHOLIC CHURCH ABUSE CASES *cough*

      • Mark Y

        Yes misfit44, it’s obvious that what excites you is the abuse of children – bit of a freudian slip there from you. You have problems. Get some help. You will not be able to hide forever.

        • Tristan

          This whole idea that there is a link between pedophilia and gays is only held by uneducated idiots like missfitt44. There is plenty of empirical evidence fact that disproves this “idea” held by bigots who simply clutch at straws (i.e. any wild made up inflammatory statement) so they can discriminate and validate their vile personal beliefs.

          http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

          • misfit44

            Such research is often fraudulent and unethical and conducted by homosexual psychologists.

          • Ciaran

            Thats just a weak pathetic dismissal because, you have not got any valid answers so instead you choose to present unfounded nonsesne and dress it up as fact because it suits your own bigoted agenda and supports your patriarchal views of how society should be.

            The only thing LGBT people have on their agenda is the push for equality and an end to homophobic bigotry, the only thing on your agenda is to promote homophobic bigotry and hate and for as long as people like you exist the fight for equality will never end. we`re going nowhere and each time bigots present unfounded myths to spread their propaganda, we`re ready to show them up and their drivel for the hate and intolerance it really is.
            Its already known by psychologists that internalised homophobes can be some of the worst.

          • Tristan

            Agreed! :-)

          • misfit44

            Claran, tell me what is it that you think you have not been given already. What more do you want? Seriously . What would make you equal to the rest of society?

          • Lee W Dalgleish

            Actually Misfit, most respected research has shown that most paedophiles identify as straight. However, the gender of the child is irrelevant when it comes to a paedophile. It is often thought that sexual identity has not fully developed in those people. People like you are very see through with your accusations of people. Judging from your many posts, you are a rather sad little man who has many issues. Rather than seeking help, you trawl a gay news site and project onto others. I’d really recommend getting professional help.

          • Tristan

            Lol – do you know how stupid you come across?
            *hey everyone on this blog: I think this troll has been fed enough. Time to put him to bed and nail that coffin shut! Night night shhhhhh

          • ciaran

            You are aware that since march 2010 it has been an offence to incite hatred publicly on the grounds of sexual orientation the same as racial incitement to hatred.
            By attempting to brand and link innocent gay people with child abuse and pedophilia which is unfounded scientifically speaking as most sex offenders happen to be straight not gay you are inciting hatred against a section of society. I`m seriously considering reporting you to the police and I suggest others do the same.
            Your propaganda is purely sinister designed to incite hatred against the gay community that is illegal

          • Guest

            Stephen Green address posted below, well known hater and crazy is the man behind the misfit44 moniker.

          • Guest
          • Wigcher Spanninga

            Remarks like this are suitable for the playground, not any serious discussion. Where’s the proof (or even indication thereof)? It would be the same a dismissing christianity as “Emotionally addictive, suppressive of verifiable facts when they appear to contradict dogma, having a high risk to cause unhealthy feelings of superiority and associated socially unacceptable behaviour and exclusively promoted by those already subject to its influence.”
            I believe that that is hardly a complete representation of christian beliefs (although of some of its organisational structures are intent on making me believe otherwise).
            However your consistent tendency of assigning exclusively negative sexual motives to others says a lot about your mental frame of reference.

          • Guest

            You ethical? Who is a bigger fraud than you are? Don’t come on this site and play the christian holy man wife and child beater. You should be behind bars where you belong.

          • Tristan

            Why did you abuse your wife and children?

        • Guest

          What used to excite Stephen Green according to his ex-wife was abusing and beating her and his children, that must qualify as child abuse?

      • Tristan

        you beat your kids – so you are part of the problem! Hypocrite!

  • tonykw

    It’s often interesting to substitute the word “average” for “normal.”

    Thus we get:-

    “The average pattern of marriage and family has been under attack for decades now with devastating consequences, especially for children, so news of further attempts are very concerning.

    “Children would fare much better if taught more clearly about the average pattern for raising the next generation.”

  • Roku

    Lol the irony of christians accusing others of propaganda in state education.

  • Rumbelow

    C.I. Campaign Against Liberal Sex Education (2011)

    The first few months of 2011 saw the Christian Institute’s reporting take a turn for the inexplicable, as they reported and promulgated the idea that 5-year-olds were being taught sex education in schools and that parents were being kept in the dark about it. Baroness Massey of Darwen and Baroness Walmsley were singled out as the causes of this surprisingly well kept secret. It turns out however (thankfully) that the former’s Education Bill amendment did not aim to do that at all, and, the latter Baroness was seemingly picked at random.

    In 2011 two peers “condemned a “cruel” and “vicious” campaign against them by the Christian Institute which claimed they wanted to make personal, social and health education (PSHE) compulsory for five-year-olds. This includes education about sex and relationships.

    NSS honorary associate Baroness Massey of Darwen put forward an amendment to the Education Bill calling for school inspectors to consider the wellbeing of children and report on issues such as policies on bullying and the delivery of sex education. Baroness Walmsley was not proposing an amendment at all, contrary to the Institute’s accusations.

    The Christian Institute issued misleading and inaccurate information in an attempt to derail the amendment. This included writing to members of the House of Lords, trying to manipulate the Bill debates. During the debate, Lady Massey said: “Never in my time in this House have I known such a sinister and vicious campaign that has sought to misinform others. Noble Lords will have received hundreds if not thousands of letters, sent to your lordships taking up your time and energy and I find this deeply regrettable.”

    Lady Walmsley added that: “The Christian Institute recently sent out a letter in which they claimed that I would be laying an amendment to make PSHE compulsory. As your lordships can see, this is not true. They also claimed in a subsequent letter that my fictional amendment and Lady Massey’s amendment would force schools to teach five-year-olds about sex. Also not true. [...] We had a so-called Christian organisation telling lies and being both uncharitable and cruel.” [...]

    The Institute itself has not responded or issued any kind of apology.”

    National Secular Society (2011)11

    “Children as young as five are being exposed to `shocking´ sex education books in primary schools, the Daily Telegraph reported on 9th Marchaccording to research from The Christian Institute – a charity that promotes Biblical teaching. The report said parents were being kept in the dark about the content of resources used in sex education lessons.

    The PSHE Association believes that this kind of research and reporting – which is inaccurate and lacking objectivity, serves neither children nor their parents and schools well.

    The Education Act (1996) and the Learning and Skills Act (2000) make it very clear what the requirements are for the teaching of sex education in schools.”

    PSHE (2011)12

    “Discussions of the Education Bill in the House of Lords became heated last night as prominent children´s rights advocates slammed the Christian Institute for spreading `misinformation´ and `wicked insinuations´ about amendments relating to inspecting well-being in schools insinuating that proposed changes `would force schools to teach five year-olds about sex´.

    Leading health and education campaigner, and secretary of the All Party Parliamentary Humanist Group, Baroness Massey, and the former shadow Children, Schools and Families Minister for the Liberal Democrats Baroness Walmsley, both spoke out against the campaign organised by the Christian Institute against their proposed amendment to the Bill.

    Baroness Massey said `Never in the time that it has been my honour to serve in your Lordships´ House have I known such a sinister and vicious campaign, which has sought to misinform others.´

    Baroness Walmsley stated, `The Christian Institute recently sent out a letter in which it claimed that I would be laying an amendment to make PSHE compulsory. As your Lordships see from the Marshalled List, this is not true. It also claimed, in a subsequent letter, that my fictional amendment, and that of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, which we are now debating, would force schools to teach five year-olds about sex. That is also not true. There have been wicked insinuations that we would want to do something that would harm children and their innocence. The noble Baroness and I have spent our whole parliamentary lives, much of what went before and a lot of what goes on outside, working to promote the well-being of children, and to suggest that we would harm them is outrageous and very un-Christian.´”

    British Humanist Association (2011)13

    The C.I. have been worrying for many years that the education system is teaching people that homosexuality is not sinful and is, indeed, a normal part of sexuality. Theirsensationalist piece in 2009 (linked, and titled ‘Gay lessons obligatory for England’s schools’) was just as misinformed as their ‘research’ in 2011. The cause of their outcry is not that they actually believe that sex education is about to be made compulsory for 5 year-olds, but, that they believe that homosexuality is sinful and against the bible, therefore they will ramp-up claims of the unsuitability of the current system, in order to eventually return to a pre-human-rights era of prejudice against gays.

    • misfit44

      Well this is neat, vintage raging from The British Humanist Association and the National Secularist Society. Of course they would say this. They are a radical, fundamentalist and God – hating bunch of extremists, far more dangerous than Islamic fanatics or the BNP. The National Secularist Society invited Ian (Gandalf McKellen) to give a spirited rendition of the poem, “The Love that Dares to Speak its Name by James Kirkup, to celebrate the repeal of the blasphemy laws in 2008. The poem describes in graphic detail necrophilia, which clearly McKellen is promoting. It is about a homosexual soldier pouring out his lust on the dead body of Christ. A pity Kirkup hadn’t put Mohammed in place of Jesus Christ, but he is too cowardly to do that. The whole thing was filmed by Nick Lansely, Head of Research and Development of Tesco. He himself put himself on Youtube reciting it as well. I believe this piece of self advertising on the part of Lansely wiped 4 – 5 billion pounds of their shares.

      • Mark Y

        ramble, ramble, ramble. the last bit about 5 billion off the tesco share price was the funniest yet. You’re a total loser.

        • misfit44
          • Mark Y

            So the vaguely legitimate news channel link doesn’t mention any connection with the points in your comment. But your anti-gay christian link finds some connection between share prices and a gay pride. LOL. Laughable. And pathetic. I’m surprised you haven’t blamed the ‘gays’ for the bad weather that is going to come in the winter. You’re so brainwashed and fcked up that I feels sorry for you. So pathetic.

          • misfit44

            I sent emails far and wide, even to China about Tesco supporting London Pride and its Head of Research and Development Nick Lansley. Of course the media wouldn’t dare to acknowledge the point I was making , though one notable news paper did. Sadly for Tesco they didn’nt acknowledge that what they were doing by inviting children to view this disgusting spectacle was not going to do their sales much good.

            Here is just one such email I recieved from someone who had complained to Tesco customer services. I recieved many emails such as this:

            Dear Sirs

            i was very concerned to see that you will be promoting
            “Alternative Sexuality” by sponsoring the “Pride” events next year as an alternative to your current links with “Cancer Charities”

            I am, therefore, moving my supermarket shopping to alternative sources until you see fit to change your policies on these matters.

            This is not an anti-gay decision – i have many gay friends – this is based on a very poor decision by yourselves on what ‘is’ and ‘isnt’ a proper “Charity”. Before you go quoting all
            the good you do for society, family and the greater populous and all the good this will do during the olympics – please do not patronise me.

            Tesco should be in the business of providing essential goods and services. Homosexuality is not a state of being like being black; it is an emotional and psychological disorder. …

            What is more concerning and shocking is that your Head of
            research and development should be linked in such a way to the below (see end
            email)*****

            I am a bible believing christian – how dare you allow
            yourselves to be linked with those who mock my beliefs in”Family” and “Biblical” living – you would not dare allow any other “Religion” to be mocked or ridiculed in this way – can you imagine the outrage that my muslim friends
            would take if you insulted “Allah” in this way!

            i look forward to your
            comments with interest

            Kind regards

          • Rehan

            Of course the media wouldn’t dare to acknowledge the point I was making

            Oddly enough, the thought that your ‘point’ was (or, indeed, that you are) not worthy of notice seems not to have occurred to you. Funny, that.

          • misfit44

            Rehan, you are getting boring.

          • Rehan

            Am I? But you pipped me to that particular post by quite a significant margin, you dear old thing.

            Then again, it seems you have an inborn advantage there.

          • Guest

            Running out of funds are we Stephen? Whipping up the thicko’s to get the moneybox topped up is it? You are such a total phony. Did you really think your wife and child beating escapades would be forgotten, really? Was it a simple step from beating your bible to your family?

          • Nick

            Hi Stephen, great to hear from you!

            Have you Checked out the new Tesco Pride van we used in the London and Brighton Pride parades this year? And here’s a pic of me pointing out the new Tesco rainbow logo on stores in Brighton last weekend! A further demonstration to customers and colleagues that everyone is welcome at Tesco!

            Cheers
            Nick Lansley

          • Tristan

            Awesome!

          • Tristan

            Emotional and psychological disorder? You mean like you?

          • Jon (Malaysia)

            I’ve got a few spare lightening bolts, monsoon winds, and tsunami waves for sale if you’re interested. Reasonably priced.

          • Guest
      • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

        “vintage raging from The British Humanist Association and the National Secularist Society.”

        The words you’re looking for are “sensible”, “factual” and perhaps “reality”.

        But you keep believing in your mythical invisible sky wizard while the rest of society evolves and ignores your mental delusion.

        You have noticed your cult is losing, right? ;)

  • Robert W. Pierce

    I knew it was just a question of time before this harpie opened her gob. The usual, predictable drivel. Now wait and see what her ally Nicky Morgan has to say about all this. I see a showdown between Ruth Hunt and her. I can’t imagine Morgan will agree to anything. Williams recently urged Jamaica to tighten it’s anti-gay laws. As such, Christian Concern should be officially designated a hate group which it most certainly is. I wish we had our own watchdog similar to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in the United States which keeps an official list of hate groups.

  • doug

    Patricia McKeever of Catholic Truth Scotland is another complete nutter. Just listen to the silly besom during the Keith O’Brien scandal. LOL.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p015vf9b

  • lee

    What a sad women – Thankfully you are a Christian which is good -you need to prayer for all your sins. your a vile woman. can you time not be nutter spent helping people in real need rather than hating gay people. What on earth is your problem? You seem obsessed with gay people.

    Your statement about Stone -pot calling the kettle lack come to mind. Noe go off and pray for all your nasty sins today

    • Rumbelow

      For a person allegedly so aroused and concerned over the “sin of homosexuality” Andrea Minichiello Williams is remarkably unconcerned about her own incontinent lying. The vicious stories and distortions she spreads so enthusiastically in her attempts manipulate show her to be not very honest and not very Christian at all.

      • misfit44

        Name me one lie

        • Jon (Malaysia)

          Ummmmmm let’s see………….. everything she says?

          • misfit44

            No, name one.

          • Guest

            http://freethinker.co.uk/2011/01/29/uk%E2%80%99s-craziest-evangelist-stephen-green-exposed-as-a-dictatorial-violent-monster/

            “There were occasions when his explosions of wrath became physical. He assaulted not only Caroline, but their sons.

            He beat our middle son with a belt, in front of his best friend, for answering him back. I tried to intervene but he pushed me away. My eldest son was hit with a broomstick and kicked on the back of his legs. He still has scars on his shins. On one occasion Stephen beat him so hard with a piece of wood that we thought he might have broken his arm. When we took him to hospital, my son pretended he’d fallen because he didn’t want to incur his father’s anger.

            It took the smallest of misdemeanours to trigger Green’s wrath. Caroline says:

            They were trivial things. He’d say the children had been disobedient or insubordinate. He would retaliate really spitefully. When our youngest son left a small heater on in the bedroom of the mobile home, Stephen ­confiscated it as a punishment for wasting electricity. The boys slept in freezing conditions for two years. A window was broken and he replaced it with plywood, which in turn got damp and froze. These were the sort of privations we all had to endure.

            Caroline described his state of mind “hyper-manic”. She said:

            For years he’d been ­controlling, spiteful and self-righteous. But later he became delusional and completely uncontrollable. I’d obeyed him as a dutiful wife, but my love for him had corroded away. People must wonder why I stayed as long as I did. I was embarrassed and humiliated by his behaviour. But actually we were all brainwashed. My self-esteem ebbed away to such an extent that I felt worthless and stupid”

            misfit44 AKA Stephen Green this is the troll people on this site think they can exchange postings with and somehow change his point of view? Do us all a favour and save yourself the effort. Read the above and ask yourself if you would poke it with a soiled stick let alone exchange points of view with?

        • Rehan

          “Once you strip away all this stuff, what you get is no age consent* … nobody ever enforces that law anymore*,” she said. “We already have a strong man-boy movement that’s moving in Europe*.”

          She also described several cases in which she said people had been fired for their jobs for their opposition to LGBT rights* and said people with views like hers are being silenced in the media and intimidated with the threats of hate-speech lawsuits*. http://changingattitude.org.uk/archives/7636

          * Evidence, please.

          She reportedly is or was a barrister so she’s presumably cunning enough not to to lie outright in the UK, and just reserves this type of hatemongering for her appearances in places like Jamaica.

  • George Penfold

    When animals are corned and loosing the fight, they get really nasty !

  • temp
    • GulliverUK

      Oh that is a classy find. It reminds me of the Evangelical creepy Christians who ran C.S.S.M, where I had to go each summer.

      Religions have to indoctrinate children from an early age or they will die – they cannot attract teenagers unless they have been brainwashed already.

      The only interest in promoting good social values, teaching children about equality, getting them to do critical thinking, is to ensure they don’t grow up to be misfits and hate-mongering bigots like Andrea Williams

      • misfit44

        You clearly are a disciple of the Frankfurt School which was heavily into propaganda and subversive thinking.

        • GulliverUK

          Never heard of them – one of your paranoid fantasies. Also, you’ve made that assertion before, but clearly forgotten, so clearly are heading towards an Alzheimers diagnosis shortly.

          I am a student of Bart Ehrman, Karen Armstrong, Burton Mach, Bertrand Russell, Bishop John Shelby Spong, etc. The intellectual authoritative experts in theology. My Biblical knowledge isn’t clouded by ideological tribal dogmatic driven belief, so I can investigate from an unbiased viewpoint. You’re an arrogant pr^ck, but I don’t think you are thick, you just refuse to acknowledge the truth because it would destroy your belief, and your belief is all you have in life. Sad, but true. Meet me and I will utterly destroy your belief system, but that would be a cruel thing to do to you, and that’s now the sort of person I am. You can believe whatever nonsense you like, but trying to constantly impose it on others, and harassing others because they refuse to believe what you do, is wrong, and very damaging. You talk about religious persecution, but the truth is that you use religion to persecute others, which is wrong. Not only that, the public is wise to what you’ve been going, and they hate you for it. Any push-back will be against religion – we’ve already seen it. I could say that if you want me to care about Christians being expelled from their homes and killed in Syria and Iraq, then I want people like you to leave us along … but unlike you .. I won’t do that. I care about Christians because they are human beings, and even if they are anti-gay in Syria and Iraq, I still care deeply that many are being threatened and displayed – it’s very, very wrong. I may think your belief is stupid and childish, but I will defend human beings from oppression and unfairness wherever they are.

          Who do you really think is the Good Samaritan? You know that story don’t you. It’s is one my favorites.

          • misfit44

            Yes, it is possible that the traveller had not only been robbed but raped by homosexual thieves. Meanwhile the sniffy religious leaders passed by on the other side of street. But along came the good Samaritan who bound up the man’s wounds and helped him overcome the trauma of having been abused by homosexuals.

            You say of me ,

            “You’re an arrogant pr^ck, but I don’t think you are thick, you just refuse to acknowledge the truth because it would destroy your belief, and your belief is all you have in life. Sad, but true. Meet me and I will utterly destroy your belief system, but that would be a cruel thing to do to you, and that’s now the sort of person I am.”

            And yet in the next breath you say, ” I care about Christians because they are human beings, and even if they are anti-gay in Syria and Iraq, I still care deeply that many are being threatened and displaced – it’s very, very wrong”.

            Clearly you would not want to give asylum to anti- gay Syrian Christians . It is always possible to wax sentimental crocodile tears for those in far away countries, because like the pharisees that makes us feel self – righteous, but when they are on your own doorstep that is another thing. Hypocrited comes to mind.

            As for Karen Armstrong, I believe she is a great follower of Muhammed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyMJbpH4uFo

          • Rehan

            As for Karen Armstrong, I believe she is a great follower of Muhammed

            Oh God (as it were), you really must be impossibly thick. Stick to your silly conspiracy theories.

          • Temp

            Well said. Wish more people shared your belief system.

        • Guest
  • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

    Isn’t this a case of the kettle calling the pot black?
    Christian Concern is an ideological propaganda machine attaching anyone who doesn’t conform to their own narrow definition of normal

  • Stuart

    As opposed to an ideological propaganda machine so frustrated over the lack of power and support they have in the UK that their CEO recently resorted to going to Jamaica to preach against homosexuality and equal rights.

    • misfit44

      Jamaicans have a special abhorrance of homosexuality because the early European slave owners would bugger the men in order to make them submissive.

      • Mark Y

        LOL. You are completely insane. Fck, what planet do you live on.

      • Markoves

        More like European men raping black women, then shoving their homophobic religion down their throats or killing them if they refused to believe.

      • Rumbelow

        Another cut and paste comment you’ve used before misfit44.

      • Stuart

        If that’s true then obviously it was rape, which I would hope that every country on Earth has a ‘special abhorrence’ of, whichever form it takes.
        I wonder what Williams’ excuse for her life-domineering abhorrence of homosexuals is…

      • Tristan

        Why did you beat your wife and Kids?

  • nikkih777

    What kind of crack is this woman smoking? Jesus never spoke of marriage between a man and a woman and He never addresses the issues of homosexuality or being transgender. If she thinks Jesus is alive she’s even crazier than I thought.

    • misfit44

      Jesus was living a society where there were strict Jewish laws. Jesus never mentioned paedophilia, incest, taking drugs, speeding on a motor bike simply because such things never existed. But he had a lot to say about sexual immorality , ie, adultery and fornication ( which would have covered Leviticus 18) He also said if your eye or hand leads you into sin, it would be better to cut them out rather than enter hell whole but doomed to eternal destruction.
      As for marriage, he went back to Genesis and reminded his critics of how God had joined one man and one woman together and that what God had joined no man was to break assunder.
      It was Paul who had to speak specifically about homosexuality because he was speaking to new Christians, outside the Jewish culture, in Corinth who were surrounded by the pagan culture of the classical world. They had just escaped that life style in in 1Corinthians 6 , Jesus reminds of them of what they once were but were no longer.

      • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

        These religious nutters don’t follow the word of any one man, they preach nonsense from a book that we know has been rewritten more than 20 times to suit those in positions of influence – usually those who want to get away with something and rewrite their “religion” to permit it.

        And you are factually incorrect, the Bible makes no mention specifically of homosexuality, it does however permit rape, murder, slavery, sexism, war, and instructs you to never cut the hair of your temples, to never eat shellfish, to never wear clothes woven from more than one thread… I could go on.

        Of course, the religious fundamentalists don’t like facts, and they don’t like following the inconvenient rules. They prefer to focus on the one manufactured rule they can still use to subjugate others, to demean and attack people.

        • Markovs

          You forgot to mention that girls as young as 9 were married off for sex to old men and on average 12-14 year olds were already married with 2-3 kids by then as they were considered adults from 11 for girls and 13 for boys. As long as it was hetero it was legal and accepted as a norm.

          Yay for Jesus and Abraham!

      • Rumbelow

        What is it like being a deluded repressed homosexual evangelical misfit44?
        You sound very unhappy and disturbed as others here have also noticed.

      • Jon (Malaysia)

        Maybe they didn’t have motor bikes, but what about speeding chariots? Opium poppies? Paedophelia, wasn’t that the norm? Didn’t Mohammad marry a 9 year old, and that was years later. He must have got the idea somewhere. Incest, of course, as I recall is all over the bible. Sex with in laws, daughters, sisters et al.

      • Guest
  • Craig

    And “Christian” Concern is an aggressive, unrepresentative militant fundamentalist UK Christian Right pressure group which takes its propaganda cues, tactics and strategic advice from the even more rancid US Christian Right, on which it is slavishly dependent for its hatemongering, vacuous rhetoric. “Ideological propaganda machine?” Look in the mirror, Ms Williams.

  • CHBrighton

    Ms Williams had better be careful or someone may ask her to substantiate her claims in a court of law. It will be most interesting to see how she proves not just that everything in her bible is true and the existence of the Christian god (and in world terms he, she or it is just one of many deities, so that will take some explaining as the followers of all these gods will claim them as ‘real’) but that her interpretation of the secret runes allows her and her fellows to make life a misery for other people.

  • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

    As if she didn’t already look like a seething mass of mental delusion, all doubt is removed every time she opens that ridiculous gob.

    Please keep going love, you’re just making yourself less credible with every rant you utter. Not that there was any credibility there to begin with.

  • ktah

    Actually Jesus didn’t “go out of his way to underline that marriage is between a man and a woman”. Jesus was actually setting out the rules for heterosexual divorce in answer to a question on whether it was ever lawful for a man to divorce his wife. Jesus actually went out of his way to say that some men by their own nature will not want a wife and those men are “born that way”.

  • Steven Gregory

    Stonewall has had several reported missteps. I don’t think Stonewall have yet earned the accolades that the Dye Job Tragedy AKA Christian Concern wishes to heap upon them.

  • Peter Duncan

    She spoke a lot of drivel, but countering Christian inspired homophobia by similar hate speech is hardly helpful. What is needed is facts not ‘get them all off the planet’

  • jddlondon

    Christian Concern – giving Christians a bad name since 2008

  • D.McCabe

    “Those who want to turn the world on its head have often tried to manipulate the state education system to achieve their ends.

    Isn’t this what she and her ilk are trying to do using religion?

  • Raymond G. Whitham

    Oh, so now she talks to Jesus and he answers her. LOOOOOOOOOOL, what a moron!

  • Badjumbly

    Whenever I see that photo of Andrea Williams, I always imagine she’s staring at someone’s jugular.

  • Badjumbly

    Andrea Williams claims that gay equality has had a devastating effect on children. She is speaking on their behalf probably because they are too devastated to talk.

  • Guest

    The troll infesting Pink News Comments is Stephen (bird
    droppings) Green.

    The giveaway was the Tesco stunt he is so proud of. Engaging with Green on any level is pointless
    he is simply going to use anything posted to promulgate his hatred on his
    website.

    http://disqus.com/misfit44/

    http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/tesco-head-is-anti-christian-bigot/

    http://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=christianvoice.org.uk&prog_id=GoDaddy

    Domain name:

    christianvoice.org.uk

    Registrant:

    Stephen Green t/a Christian Voice

    Registrant type:

    Other UK Entity (e.g. clubs, associations, many
    universities)

    Registrant’s address:

    PO Box 739A

    Surbiton

    Warwickshire

    KT6 5YA

    United Kingdom

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2011/feb/03/christian-voice-stephen-green-daily-mail

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    It’s quite obvious that Christian Concern would much prefer to be the ones manipulating the education system.

  • keithdouglas322

    So, Normal is running one’s life by superstition and delusion. Okay, I’ll take my way.

  • halling

    The ‘pemissiveness’ argument again from the ideologically driven Ms Williams and her Christian Institute propaganda machine.

  • Ian Laughlin

    I think that this thread is dead now. Nevertheless, a fascinating look into the mentally ill world construct of those who have lost what they call “culture wars”. This will be interesting for psychologists in the future as they look at the fundamentalist mindset. Now, I know that different people have different approaches to dealing with these ill indivduals, but I suspect that the trolls are having an enjoyable time: whether they are child beater Stephen Green or not, they are clearly having a jolly old time at the thought of winding up their old enemies, the Jews, Nazi homosexualists, secularists, the left, communists, cultural Marxists (delete as applicable for specific rants). If they were ignored, more energy could be expended at ensuring that they remain a marginal nuisance, of no relevance to society.

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