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US: Christian group ‘fasting’ to oppose same-sex marriage says members can still eat food

  • @Mike-uk2011

    So basically, they’re going to do nothing more than they always do?
    ‘Pray’, which accomplishes nothing. ‘Fast’, except they don’t actually have to.
    And repent, which is something they always do. Christians love guilt.
    Christianity is guilt porn.

    • Steven Gregory

      “Guilt Porn” is my new favorite phrase. Thank you!
      “Anti-Gay Fasting: All of the flavor and all of the calories of regular ol’ gay hating, but just half a wit.”
      I came out as an atheist several years ago, but only two years ago discovered “unapologetic atheism” — that which does not appease religious people. My fellow non-believers will relish that term. We have “Food Porn,” “Car Porn,” “Kitty Porn” (YouTube), what an excellent comment.

      • Ric Hill

        I like your descriptions, Steven

    • andrewi

      Well I thought fasting without food was a Muslim thing anyway, or at the very least derived from other faiths.

      Much like the word ‘terrorist’ now seems to mean “Anyone the US gov doesn’t like” that wasn’t the original meaning of the word.

      A fast is a duration of focus and meditation. Nothing more.

  • lohtar

    Well, it makes sense I guess…

    It’s not like they care about being loving, accepting and forgiving in order to be Christian, so why would one care to fast to be fasting?

    From their point of view it’s quite consistent.
    For the rest of the world it may be bonkers but that’s another story.

    • Steven Gregory

      One of the co-lead attorneys against California’s Proposition 8 is a conservative. He said marriage is a core conservative value in that it strengthens the community when people put down roots. He doesn’t understand how conservatives can oppose it for gays and lesbians, or how they can do it in such a way that makes it appear that they approve of every heterosexual marriage.

    • Matt

      We aren’t all hateful, I promise! I, personally, don’t care if same sex couples get married. More happiness and love to them, I say. Nor do I feel it is against God or anything I believe. To each their own, I say.

      • Steven Gregory

        I think you represent vast ranks of Christians, but they are out-noised. Also pastors of large congregations have been known to become the presumptive voice for those numbers. Then there are people who follow along nodding, because they have nothing “in the game.”

      • Truth

        Can I just ask you…? Why do you feel the need to ‘believe’? Is it because you have been taught to … or is it because you have a genuine need for some spiritual connection to something – anything? I am not disparaging you in any way. I just do not have that need and would like to understand why some people do. For instance, if Xianity believes we go somewhere nice when we die, where does it believe we were before we were born?

  • Mark Y

    christians are so fcking stupid, and hypocritical, and bigoted, and…..

    • Matt

      Not all of us, I promise!

      • Mark Y

        Anyone who believes that jesus came back to life after being dead for 3 days is stupid. And anyone who doesn’t believe that isn’t a christian.

      • anon

        I once heard about a christian paleontologist.

        He was highly educated, and you would assume an intelligent guy.
        However, he also believed that the world had been created a few thousand years ago, and had been set in motion, including dinosaur bones and radioisotope decay, by god.

        A scientist who works with evidence for his job, yet believes in a bunch of woowoo that contradicts all of that.

        Being “smart” is worth very little if you’re also deluded or lack a firm grasp on reality.

      • Truth

        Sorry – I don’t understand. Why would you support an organisation which despises you? For someone gay to support a homophobic religion is like someone Jewish joining the Nazi party. If you have a need for ‘spirituality’, couldn’t you find a cult which is non-judgemental instead of one which regards you as an abomination?

  • cw

    So their prescription for marriage is to “stop complaining, arguing, debating and gossiping”. Let’s see if they can manage that one a bit better than fasting.

    • Steven Gregory

      I read a great comment a few months ago: “If gays are allowed to marry, women will have to blow their own husbands. Everyone is freaked out about that.”

      • white squirrel

        does that mean women dont already or that before gay marriage women blew other women’s husbands ?

        • Steven Gregory

          Maybe many wives don’t want the chore and many husbands don’t want to be raked.

  • Jones

    Their stupidity continues to amaze me.

    • Steven Gregory

      I used to be one of “them,” perhaps more zealous, because I was trying to create a smokescreen against my homosexuality. These folks are basically proclaiming: “WE’RE DEDICATED, but we have no will power.”

      • Jones

        I’m glad the brain transplant is working out for you.

        • Steven Gregory

          Perhaps you mean ‘implant.” Religion kills grey matter.

  • Martin

    Having watched the video. When god said all these things, who was he talking to?

  • atalanta

    A fast which involves eating sounds about right.

    After all, these “pro-marriage” groups have the sole purpose of opposing couples getting married, and they cry “victim” when prevented from oppressing others. Why shouldn’t this campaign be as oxymoronic as all their other activities?

  • Merari

    Christians being hypocrites. Nothing new under the sun.

  • adelepaul

    How about blow jobs? Just asking.

    • white squirrel

      only if you swallow

  • Alexander Kelso Shiels

    The American Phyciatry profession must be doing a roaring trade with this lot!

    • Truth

      I think they have already categorized ‘religious belief’ as a mental illness (self-delusion). They just don’t have the nerve to announce it publicly for fear of ‘upsetting people’. I note it’s fine for self-delusional religious cultists to insult and incite hatred against us with impunity. But you DARE to insult religion and they accuse you of heresy and blasphemy. High time we fought back – like with like.

  • That There Other David

    Maybe they count “fasting” as eating normal portion sizes, rather than American ones ;-)

  • Peter Pumpkin

    Gosh, what an utterly enormous pile of gigantic swinging boll*cks, soaring pendulously across an abbysal ocean of bullsh*t.

  • Steven Gregory

    I’m sure they pray each day before cussing someone out.

    This is a perfect example of religious zeal: I’m aboard, as long as it doesn’t interfere with mealtime.

  • Steven Gregory

    This reminds me of Christians who take chastity vows… but “believe” oral and anal sex aren’t SEX.

    • Barry Scarfe

      Anal sex is only sex when gayers do it! Apparently, straights don’t partake in the ‘sin’ of anal sex even though there are literally thousands upon thousands of websites devoted to that very subject of straight anal sex and many of them require people to pay good money to use them so there must be a big market for it!

      • Steven Gregory

        I took a friend shopping for her first strap-on so she could “peg” her man. Apparently it’s increasingly popular. When we got to the shop, the clerk was absolutely helpful and offered numerous options based on whether she would be penetrating a male or female partner. She walked out with three possibilities. She and that boyfriend didn’t work out, but they still get together for “play.” Many people see only what they want to see, this seems to be particularly common among religious people.

        • Ric Hill

          Steven,

          Your last line reminds me of a 1968 song. “A man hears only what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”

          • Steven Gregory

            I love S&G, hadn’t seen this video. Great song.
            My 3rd Grade teacher was a hippie, often barefoot in the classroom. She used to play S&G, Joan Baez, Woody Guthrie, Judy Collins, PP&M, Dylan during our naps. She was programming us and to this day I am grateful.

          • Ric Hill

            I was “there” when they went up the chart the first time. I did get to see them on their Old Friends Tour in Madison Square Garden (NYC). They held all 20,000 in the palm.

    • Ric Hill

      No doubt they are using the Moncia Lewinski defense.

      • Steven Gregory

        I have the best Monica Lewinsky joke:
        A Jewish guy comes home from college and tells his mom he has met his dream girl. She is ecstatic, because on his last trip home he had come out as gay.
        She pumps him for details: “She’s Jewish, comes from a wealthy family in Southern California, and used to work in the White House.”
        His mom dials her best friend to tell her the news, “What’s her name?”
        He says, “Monica Lewinsky.”
        His mom hangs up abruptly and asks, “What happened to that adorable Black boy you brought home last summer?”

        • Ric Hill

          LOL ROFLMFAO

          • Steven Gregory

            Anti-abortionists view babies as punishment. If they really wanted to get rid of abortion, solid evidence supports FREE access to contraception and birth control, as well as comprehensive age-appropriate sex education from the time children are young until they are adults.

            Anti-abortionists and anti-gay Christians can be summed up in one sentence: “Jesus told me to stop you from having sex.”

          • Ric Hill

            I suppose you have already read my comment about my college years, aka incarceration in a Baptist Prison Camp.

          • Steven Gregory

            I haven’t, but it sounds like our backgrounds are similar. I was raised in an “independent, fundamental Baptist home,” attended church academy K-12 and then Bible college.

            The terrible thing is my parents raised curious children: I knew I didn’t fit the mold and knew I shouldn’t say anything about it. I kept studying and wanting Jesus to “straighten me out.” I even married for three years, and it is my wife who approached me about the possibility I might be gay.

            We divorced, both met great guys, and are both unapologetic atheists.

          • Truth

            “Jesus told me to stop you from having sex.” I suspect every time a Xian tells you, “Jesus doesn’t want you to”, it’s because they are not doing it and are totally pissed off! When they bring this Jesus person to court to speak for himself, I may just listen. Until then,I will continue to regard ‘belief’ as a mental illness which needs treatment … and definitely not deference!

          • Steven Gregory

            Good Morning Big T!
            Having lived a life that is just about as steeped in the Christian Myth and Traditions as one can get, my first two suspicions when religious people make accusations are:
            1. They are furious about being left out.
            2. They’re doing the same thing and hoping to throw up a smokescreen.

  • Eileen Burns

    I can’t even imagine what they would say if they thought liberals had come up with the “Shut the F up” script.

  • AndyAS

    I PROTEST AT THEIR REDEFINING OF FASTING !!!!!!!! How dare they take a well documented Biblical principle and redefine it!!!!

    • Steven Gregory

      I salute your righteous indignation. Their actions cheapen and diminish traditional fasts.

  • Ask Johannes Grande

    That was a…brainwashing experience

  • Matt

    Sigh, as a Christian this makes me so sad. People like this are the ones that are the face of us, and most of us could care less who marries who…whom….whatever. Point is, people should be able to marry whoever the heck they want! I wish I could do more to stop the ignorance, all I can do is try my best to love everyone and give people the freedom the deserve.

  • Liam

    Haha, that is just so f*cking American. I’m sorry, I don’t mean to join in with the ever popular U.S bashing, but that just wouldn’t happen anywhere else.

    • Stevie

      I worked so hard on resisting Liam, a picture of an elasticated trouser wearing mass holding a big plate of waffles aloft while shouting “alleluia, I’m eating, sorry fasting for Jesus” shamefully springs to mind, sorry America, I know you’re not all obese, my bad ;-) xx

    • wadeisin1971

      Americans offend you so much that you feel compelled to diminish us in this public forum? I would engage this in discussion but your comment leads me to believe that you harbor a similar mentality of the closed-minded Christians. Not worth my time.

      • Liam

        Oh, untiwst those knickers, I just found it funny how stereotypical this was, I understand that the majority aren’t obese.

  • http://jeffreybennett.net Jeffrey Bennett

    Isn’t “fasting” by definition, not eating? Or are they redefining the term to suit their needs like the do everything else?

    • anon

      American fasting: Only having a single cheeseburger, medium shake and fries.

    • Steven Gregory

      They’re redefining “fast food.”

    • David H

      They redefine everything else to suit themselves so why not redefine fasting. It being Friday, I’m thinking of fasting with a portion of fish and chips ;-)

  • barrybear1980

    I must say I am confused, they have produced a “prescription” promoting kindness and opening of hearts, surely by following the terms of their prescription they will accept us for who we are and give up this ridiculous carryon.

    Although, they have redefined the word “fast” so perhaps having and “open heart” means something else too…

  • Mike – Bath

    So they’ve had such a weak response to their call for a fast, that they’re changing the parameters. This way they can claim more people were part of their “fasting” campaign than actually took part.

  • Leonard Woodrow

    Daft lot! It’s quite astonishing to see the stupid things that belief in a fictitious “God” brings people to do.

    I have to admit I was one of them until my ability to reason matured. :(

    • Truth

      Well done you for escaping the evil conditioning imposed on you as a child. I managed to see through the con when I was nine years-old. I refused to be a ‘sheep’ and refused to say all that mumbo-jumbo about ‘I believe’ in this and that. I feared I would be struck down by some incurable disease – so powerful was the brainwashing. But, I refused to say something I didn’t believe … and I’m still here many decades later to tell the tale. :)

      • Leonard Woodrow

        I’m afraid I was a bit slower in seeing the light … late teens, but I was brought up in a Christian family and culture and very thoroughly brainwashed by them..

        However, I am now 89, and in all those years since, I have never heard one convincing argument for the existence of their supernatural “God”.

  • wadeisin1971

    Christians can be just as scary as Muslims. God hates all religions!
    Using their influence to attempt to create obstacles to the freedoms of gay Americans should be an offense that removes their tax-exempt status.

  • white squirrel

    the ‘sexual abstinence only ‘ version of fasting!

  • white squirrel

    eating to fast
    on a parr with pregnant virginity
    or
    dying and not being dead

    unless they are doing it the ramadan way – wait till nightfall then gorge self

  • ArthurPaliden

    I see it all depends on how you interpret the word ‘fast’ in regards to eating. Either no eating or eating quickly.

  • white squirrel

    definitely ‘Newspeak’

  • white squirrel

    a thought for the xians here
    why do you need JC make you a good person ?
    if you dont – then why be a xian?
    if you would not be good without him – why bother – as i understand it -to even think impurely condemns you

    • Truth

      Exactly! It boils down to childhood ‘conditioning’. Kids are eventually told Santa and The Tooth Fairy are myths. Sadly, so many people make money out of religion that it’s in the interests of those involved at the top to perpetuate the myth for ever! They KNOW it’s all a con. But why would you destroy your own living ..? A friend once asked a gay priest if his conscience didn’t trouble him. His reply? ‘No, dear! Not at all. We all know it’s nonsense but it’s better than working for a living’.

  • white squiirel

    also ’40 Days of Prayer, Fasting and Repentance for Marriage’
    ??
    I was under the impression that repentance can only be for something you have done yourself – you cant repent for something others have done
    or is the repentance for marriage referring to their own weddings ?

  • JennaPowell

    There’s no reason that they couldn’t fast and still eat, Muslims fast during Ramadan by not eating between dawn and sunset so they could do something similar. If they really wanted to make it easy for people to join in then they could have them fast between sunset and dawn, while they are asleep.

    One of the things that stood out for me in that video was the bit from Ephesians 5:25 about what husbands are supposed to do. Conveniently they missed out the preceding verses that say wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    How many married women that are supporting following those instructions?

    • Truth

      You appear to have fallen into the trap of considering an old novel worthy of intelligent debate. THE BIBLE IS FICTION. IT WAS WRITTEN BY MEN WITH AN AGENDA. Sorry to shout – but it seems the only way to get through to people the fact that old books are nothing more than … old books. Just because someone TELLS you it’s the ‘word of god’ does not make it so. I have a book about Peter Pan but I can guarantee there is no such place as Never Never Land. We really should make a fundamental shift in our thought processes and dispel the deference we afford old religious books. They have caused and continue to cause untold human misery, death and destruction. I wish humanity was now sufficiently intelligent and advanced to reject all forms of organised religion. Sadly, we are not.

  • Fordicus

    So, if they are fasting but can still eat food then maybe they are just dieting? What with the obesity crisis in America it sounds as though same-sex marriage could be a useful public health tool!

  • Aleksis Niskanen-Costa

    Ooooooooooooh bollocks… i was hoping to see privileged and crazy, white, bible-humping christians really STARVING on the news playing the victim. In a HD tv channel would be a dream!

  • mercury613

    In other words, they’re liars. Shocker.

  • http://dbcooper.livejournal.com P.F. Bruns

    1. If Jesus consummates his marriage to the entire church, is he a polygamist, a tektonophile (person with an edifice complex) or both?

    2. “Circumcise our hearts”?!

    • white squirrel

      “Circumcise our hearts”?!
      probably christianspeak for ‘ cut out emotional feelings’
      ps their video is really odd – they mix up some verses from the first creation myth with some from the second one, so that the narrative makes even less sense than the original
      in their mixed version ‘god makes man and then makes men and woman and then takes a rib from the man to make a woman to give to the man – which means that according to their video red dirt [Adam] had two women with him
      that is almost quranic in its garbling of the bible

  • Jeff Levy

    They don’t even have the courage of their convictions.. Imbeciles!

    So they are going to FAST but Eating FOOD they do NOT have to go without.. Yep Hypocrites ..
    Come on Do what you say you was going to do FAST that means NO FOOD for 40 Days…

    What’s
    WRONG you know your God is NOT going to Help you with a REAL Fasting??
    Is it because deep down you know your god is FAKE??

  • Kivahut

    If only they would go on an Oxygen fast….

  • ktorch

    How did it come to be that these religious 2 or 3 percent of the country thinks we all have the same god or religion. The god most often heard quoted in the USA is the Jew god. I’m not a Jew nor is their god my god. These people need to get a life.

  • Friesjones

    By Family Foundation standards, you can be celibate while shagging everyone in sight, and while abstaining from alcohol you can booze it up. Also, you can leave the house naked and still be fully dressed.

  • Clive

    Whilst I don’t agree with the aims of the group and fully desire complete equality, (especially the abolition of the 1988 restriction on employee/spouse benefits) the author shows his ignorance of the term ‘fasting’. Unlike the Eastern notion of fasting (which is usually starvation) or that popularly supposed by the modern media, in the West food has always been allowed- the Roman Catholic prescription is 4oz/8oz/4oz (morning food allowance/afternoon food allowance, etc) and invalids or pregnant women may eat as much as they should and still be regarded as fasting as long as it is not to excess. In the West, fasting is not starvation. It is essentially a state of mind, the physical act is intended as merely an outward reflection.

  • Arr U. Gaetü

    “God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance.” ~ Neil deGrasse Tyson

  • Fur Beasty

    Now I know why US Christians are the fattest in the world.

  • Arr U. Gaetü

    For today’s sermon, I’m am going to read from the Old Testament, the sacred words of God, our Lord. In particular, how David became king.

    1 Samuel 18

    “After David had finished talking with Saul, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself. From that day Saul kept David with him and did not let him return home to his family. And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt.”

    1 Samuel 19

    Although King Saul gave David his daughter in marriage (as property), Saul becomes enraged at the closeness between his son Jonathan and David; a friction made worse by David being a much better warrior than Saul.

    “Saul told his son Jonathan and all the attendants to kill David. But Jonathan had taken a great liking to David and warned him, “My father Saul is looking for a chance to kill you.”

    1 Samuel 20

    “But David took an oath and said, “Your father knows very well that I have found favor in your eyes, and he has said to himself, ‘Jonathan must not know this or he will be grieved.’ Yet as surely as the Lord lives and as you live, there is only a step between me and death.”

    Jonathan said to David, “Whatever you want me to do, I’ll do for you.”

    “David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together—but David wept the most.

    “Jonathan said to David, “Go in peace, for we have sworn friendship with each other in the name of the Lord, saying, ‘The Lord is witness between you and me, and between your descendants and my descendants forever.’”

    2 Samuel 1:23, 26-27

    “Saul and Jonathan, beloved and lovely! In life and in death they were not divided;

    they were swifter than eagles, they were stronger than lions. How the mighty have fallen in the midst of battle! Jonathan lies slain upon your high places. I am distressed for you my brother Jonathan; Greatly beloved were you to me; your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.”

    • • • • • • • • • • •

    Church Announcements: After our Sunday afternoon cannabis incense cleansing, and in keeping with our fasting at McDonald’s, please, limit your intake of apple pies to 2 per person per meal. Yesterday, Jacob hoarded 18 pies, leaving none for everyone else in the queue. We have, also, removed the third trip to the bakery, so stock up during the second trip if you need more than 2 dozen sacramental glazed holy pastries during your evening prayer. These must last you until the following morning’s Egg McMuffin sacrament and its milkshake to wine chaser. Remember, if you choose the Double Sausage & Egg McMuffin, the Lord expects you to pray twice as hard. Remain fasting until we meet again at noon.

    May you go in peace. Amen.

    • Truth

      Well researched and very nice. But you have fallen into the trap of debating the contents of an old novel as if it has some deep spiritual and supernatural significance. It doesn’t. IT’S JUST AN OLD BOOK WRITTEN BY MEN WITH AN AGENDA! The sooner people stop deluding themselves that these old books hold some form of special sky-fairy spiritual power, the sooner humanity can grow-up and become adult. I mean – talking snakes, women from men’s ribs, people coming back from the dead …? Oh please …!!!

  • Jock S.Trap

    Seriously, do it properly or don’t do it at all!

  • Leslie Yancey

    What, are they fasting gay sex?

  • Samantha L Smith

    The Bible gives examples of God’s people occasionally combining fasting with their prayers so as to stir up their zeal and renew their dedication and commitment to Him. King David wrote that he “humbled [him]self with fasting” (Psalm:35:13). Fasting is a means of getting our minds back on the reality that we are not self-sufficient. Fasting helps us realize just how fragile we are and how much we depend on things beyond ourselves. It’s NOT something you do in protest against anything! Someone needs to explain fasting to these supposed “Christians”. And these people give God a bad rep more than satan himself could do. they are about hate…not love. and God is LOVE! Matthew 22:37-40 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.This is the first and greatest commandment.And the second is like it:Love your neighbor as yourself.All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

    • Truth

      You’ve fallen into the trap of debating the contents of an old novel with people who are mentally deranged. Save your energy. Engaging ‘the religious’ in discussions about ‘belief’ is a fruitless task. They ‘believe’ they are right – and NOTHING will shake that belief – save a lengthy spell in a mental-health unit.

  • hockeydog

    Time for everyone to grow up.
    Grow up for your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren’s sake.
    Might be the toughest thing that you ever do.
    Do it for them, not yourself.
    It’s all about them.
    Just do it.

  • Jon Jermey

    “We, the wishy-washies, demand to have our say
    As long as it does not disrupt our lives in any way.
    We’re keen and dedicated, our principles are high,
    And (unless we don’t feel like it) we will let our banners fly.
    To show our Congresspeople that their views are far too lenient,
    We’ll go to any lengths as long as that’s not inconvenient.
    Christ’s righteousness, sustained by all the fervour that we feel,
    Empowers us to do anything — but go without a meal.”

    • jan

      Epic!

  • ktah

    If they can have a different definition of “fasting” it goes to show their hypocrisy in saying there can’t be a different definition of marriage.

  • http://voenixrising.com/ Mark Alexander

    My first thought upon reading this was, “Hey Xtians…you’re doing it wrong!” (In so many ways, on so many levels.)

    But I’m not at all surprised that they redefine words to fit their own agenda. They’ve been doing it for centuries.

  • 13 of Me

    Nothing says “Christian” like spreading bigotry in Jesus name.

  • qv

    so I guess, by the same token, the ex-gays will be heading right for the bathhouses (if they hadn’t already)

  • Leo Dougherty

    NOTHING here but MORE good ole religious frippery!

  • Leo Dougherty

    Oh no! Starve to death for jebus? Sounds riotous to me!! Please “christians”! Begin as soon as possible!

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  • Cal

    HILARIOUS!

  • Max Vincent

    Nothing like a bunch of Christians to say one thing and totally do the opposite to present that false front. They will lie in your face while they do, behind your back, they very thing they proclaim they are NOT doing. Hypocrites, one and all. You oppose same-sex marriage by fasting, yet you eat. That isn’t hilarious–that is a flat-out lie and a sin: your sky daddy says you should not lie or cheat yet you are doing both.

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