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Croatia passes civil partnerships law

  • chrono

    Well done Croatia this is a step in the right direction.

  • Scrupulous.Geographer

    Step by step towards equality. This beautiful country on the crossroads between Central and Southern Europe can be proud :)

  • Helge Vladimir Tiller

    I fully agree with chrono and S. G. ! Warm wishes to Croatia from lgbtq organizations in Norway- Happy summer !

  • Rick

    God bless pressure from the EU.

    • Scrupulous.Geographer

      Well, in the UK the EU is portrayed as Satan, unfortunately

      • Anupam Rao

        That that is really scary if the uk thinks Eu is satanic then the uk shud be called the nose and the powerhouse of satan bloody sobs went round the world and shagged into the pits of the innocent just for reference see the bhandup lake in india where innocent people were jailed and raped mercilessly both the perpetrator being an Englishman and the victim an incrimated innocent for the sake of sex the colonial buggers raped tens of tender boys for fun and sadistic entertainment in india s Mumbai city suburb of bhandup some five hundred onwards backwards until 1950 that is since the 16 th century till the 1950 sources say that boys were literally picked up and taken to Secluded place and raped a dozen if officers feasted upon them in as much of a hundred years the villages were abandoned and the boys were feasted and later when their soul quit its abode was the body then fed to wild animals or left to rot or by the time the villagers came to rescue it wud be a half eaten corpse or worse the rapists wud dump these boys in lakes post death sad to know how animals in guise of authority preyed upon innocents whereby samesexedlove in india and pakistan never received any due consideration of supportive thought to gay marriages here in this part of OnceOneUnitedINDIA that includes the present day states of bangladesh,pakistan ,current day india which is half of what it used to be once in the golden ages and Burma and Afghanistan sr
        And Sri lankA yes these were parts of undivided india so as one can see from Iran to Afghanistan present day to today’s pakistan and Burma Lanka that is Sri Lanka and bangladesh it was all india and Mauritius was also a part of it

        • That There Other David

          India had problems before the British, whilst the British were there, and after the British left. Don’t romanticise history. It’s never that simple.

        • Scrupulous.Geographer

          Now tell us howw better off were Indians under Brits :D

    • Yeowe

      There is no pressure at all. Majority of Eastern European EU states and even Italy don’t recognize same-sex couples in any form (yet).

      • Scrupulous.Geographer

        They do have the discrimination rights, though, and since 2015 they are obliged to recognise same se relationships.

      • Scrupulous.Geographer

        What? There are no Eastern European countries in the EU. Eastern Europe is European Russia (40% of all Europe), possibly Belarus (4% of Europe) and Ukraine (+6% of Europe).

        Croatia is geographically in western Europe and culturally between Central and Southern Europe.

        • Mikeylano

          Your comments regarding “Eastern Europe” are tiresome.

          The concept of a continent, and therefore “Europe” is ambiguous and not tied to any particular borders. It depends entirely on context.

          It is perfectly acceptable to call countries East of Germany as “Eastern European”. For some purposes, even Croatia is considered Eastern. Sometimes it is considered “Southeastern”.

          If you don’t believe me, then Wikipedia is a pretty good place to start:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe

          However, I think your problem is probably with the connotation attached to the word “Eastern” in the context of Europe. Yes, that needs to change, but lets be pragmatic about the way we do it. “East” is a label that identifies location; it is not just about geopolitics, historical or present.

          • Scrupulous.Geographer

            Right… Let’s get it straight: Europe has set borders. The question is whether to accept some islands, therefore it is not ambiguous as you claim it to be. The univerally accepted definition of Europe is one from Iberia to Ural Mountains, and indeed not tied to borders.

            It is not perfectly acceptablt to call countries east of Germany Easte Eurropean. If anything, it proves a person’s age (over 40) or ignorance.

            I am not going to astart on Wikipedia, but if we are citing wikipedia as a cource, there you go:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_midpoint_of_Europe

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Europe

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe

            Connotation is the problem, but geography and culture etc should pay a major role, and not a period of 45 years, a period that ended over 25 years ago. If the UK is in the West of Europe, is everything east to it Eastern Europe? First define a center, then speak of east, west, south, center etc.

            Geography skills go to the dogs these days.

          • Mikeylano

            What you don’t realise is that you are speaking from a geographer’s perspective, which hardly anyone else is going to do, because that level of geographical precision is largely irrelevant now.

            It is widely accepted that a whole range of countries, particularly those East of Germany (but not all) can be identified as in “Eastern Europe”. Whether that nomenclature is fundamentally correct in the eyes of geographers is entirely irrelevant.

          • Scrupulous.Geographer

            What you don’t realise is that you are speaking from a perspective you can’t defend rationally, and this term words do offend people who are relegated to eastern Europe. It’s not a question of geography only but basic manners.

          • Mikeylano

            It is a custom.

            Yes, the name does not always make that much geographical sense:

            http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2012/07/%E2%80%9Ceast%E2%80%9D-dead

            But nonetheless, it is a custom:

            http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches

            This is the Economist’s blog on “Eastern” Europe – hence “Eastern Approaches” as the title. It includes practically all of the countries in your complaint.

            Is the name accurate in the eyes of geographers? Not always.

            Will some people be offended? Obviously there’s you. Some people in the comments of the article don’t like the “ex communist” tag, but don’t seem to mind the “Eastern” one.

            Will the majority of the people from these countries be offended? No. Most won’t care. Some of the comments in the article also show this. Some feel it is just a convenient term.

            Therefore the custom has stuck.

          • Scrupulous.Geographer

            It is a custom of older generations that failed to learn for 25 years about new developments in Europe, but it offends people and is a divisive term, not to mention that it’s unscientific. Countries like Poland and the Czech Republic are culturally Western and geographically western European. They do, however, describe themselves as Central Europe.

            Lets respect it.

          • Yeowe

            “Following your logic, we can equally call Spain – Northern Europe or the US – southern Europe. Why not?!”

            Because there no historical reason to do that.

            “Countries like Poland and the Czech Republic are culturally Western”

            Because we use Latin script? Because our countries are Catholic/post-Catholic rather than Orthodox? I am Pole and I can assure that Poland is not part of Western civilization yet. Post-communist mentality is still widespread. We need at least one generation to change.

            “They do, however, describe themselves as Central Europe”

            Central Europe or East-Central Europe (Central-East Europe, Europa Środkowo-Wschodnia). I prefer the later, is more accurate.

          • Scrupulous.Geographer

            Well, ther are historical some historical reasons to say that – Spain was rich and powerful in 16th century, and it had lands in Low Countries.

            The US has a large population of Italians, but pehaps that was too extreme – how about Austria as a country in Northern Europe (called like that by some economists as a shortcut for a welthy country, which is another thing)? Or the Czech Republic in Southern Europe (same reason of the relegation)?

            Right, is that because you just don’t like your country, perhaps because at the very moment it is not a leading gay-friendly nation (even if it was once upon a time, and very much so) or not wealthy in European terms (still one of world’s wealthiest countires), hence you are impatient and you want to express your pain.

            However, I do encourage you to actually look into the evidence other than just income per capita and gay rights alone (which in fact are similar to Switzerland: http://www.ilga-europe.org/media_library/ilga_europe/publications/reports_and_other_publications/rainbow_package_2014/side_a_rainbow_europe_map_may_2014), the culture in general, customs, even limate, history, art, music, literature, architecture, urban structure, yes- also religion (Western Christianity), script, social structure, the language, couture, human rights records, press freedom, democracy index, economic freedom, globalisation progress, Human Development Index etc.

            Poland can pass easily as a Western European country. the same applies to the Czech Republic.

          • Guest

            “how about Austria as a country in Northern Europe (called like that by some economists as a shortcut for a welthy country, which is another thing)? Or the Czech Republic in Southern Europe (same reason of the relegation)?”

            I have no problem with first, if we talk specifically about economy and culture rather than geography. However, neither Czech Republic nor Poland should be associated with Italy, Greece or Portugal. We have completely different economic situation. We are just poor, not in debt.

            In fact, I quite like my country. I’m just realistic.

            “urban structure, social structure”

            I am looking right now. Perhaps Czechs have Western-like urban and social structure, but we don’t. Poles, in vast majority (including me) are second or third generation peasant-descendants. In fact, it is common among Polish sociologist/anthropologist etc. to compare

          • Scrupulous.Geographer

            I do suggest you to travel more, to see the differences between humn cultures, as well as actually read a lot of research.

            It’s clar that if the only countries you’ve been to is a country in Central Europe (like Poland) and a country and a wealthy country in western Europe, you will see the differences. The same shock you will find travelling from Denmark/Sweden to the UK, Germany or France. You would suddenly discover how poor, undeveloped and badly managed they are.

            But on the global scale, Poland and the Czech Republic are Central European culturally and western/central European geographically.

            Slavic languages are all Indoeuropean languages, so the family is the same, and in fact, Slavic languages share a lot of features with Romance languages.

            I;m sorry, I don’t understand things you write in Polish.

          • Yeowe

            “how about Austria as a country in Northern Europe (called like that by some economists as a shortcut for a welthy country, which is another thing)? Or the Czech Republic in Southern Europe (same reason of the relegation)?”

            I have no problem with first, if we talk specifically about economy and culture rather than geography. However,
            neither Czech Republic nor Poland should be associated with Italy, Greece or Portugal. We have completely different economic situation. We are just poor, not in debt.

            In fact, I quite like my country. I’m just realistic.

            “urban structure, social structure”

            I am looking right now. Perhaps Czechs have Western-like urban and social structure, but we don’t. Poles, in vast majority (including me) are second or third generation peasant-descendants. In fact, it is common among Polish sociologist/anthropologist etc. to compare Polish and Slovak ‘folk’ cultures to urban (burgess/middle-class? I don’t know how properly translate ‘kultura mieszczańska”) Czech culture.

            “the language”

            West Slavic language. Belong to neither Germanic/Romance language family nor East Slavic (like Ukrainian or Russian) subgroup.

            “human rights records, press freedom, democracy index, [...] globalisation progress, Human Development Index etc.”

            Better than former USSR, worse than Western Europe.

            “Poland can pass easily as a Western European country.”

            Maybe. But it would be huge simplification. We are neither fully western nor eastern. So I prefer ‘East-Central Europa’ term. (Of course, there are cultural continuum within the region. Czech Republic (and perhaps Hungary and Slovenia?) are most western, Western and Central Ukraine and Western Belarus are most culturally eastern.)

    • Spilt Guy

      Rick…the EU has put zero pressure on croatia for this step. Recognition and protection of minorities including gays yes, but not a civil union as such. A think Slovenia and Slovakia are the only other two former Communist countries that have been in the EU for 9 years longer than Croatia that have something similar. Poland etc who also joined in 2004, are far from this.

      • Lexikologist

        It’s not about “pressure” it’s about norms being established and ideas being exchanged. Being in the EU enables activists and campaigners to work within a much larger context and makes it safe for them to push new ideas within their own country. People in the UK don’t understand that that’s how many attitudes change within the rest of the EU.

    • Anupam Rao

      Agree Rick read my comments and please have your say

  • Villy

    As someone said on Zagreb gay pride:”I don´t want to be registered, I´m not a car”!-))
    So, the New croatian Civil Partnership Law finally is much more than “Registered partnership” or Same sex unions Law which existed in Croatia since 2003.

    No adoption, but parental care is proclaimed.

    Go on my beautiful Croatia, live long and prosper!

    • Scrupulous.Geographer

      The time will come! :)

  • Aron Sasportas

    The report notes that “Daniel Martinovic, of Zagreb Pride, recently said: ‘Although the law is a bit conservative and doesn’t enable adoption, it is essential for
    same-sex couples.'”

    That is only part of the truth. “Equal Human Rights and Civil Rights for All Persons, No Matter Their Gender, No Matter Their Sexual Orientation: A Newsletter” (www.humciv.com) reports:

    “The new law does not allow life partners to adopt children but if one or more children are living with a couple at the time it contracts a life partnership, the relationship between the child or the children and the partners will be legally recognized.”

    See the 1670-word report in the Newsletter for more details.

    • Scrupulous.Geographer

      Their time will come :)

      • Aron Sasportas

        Yes. The wheels of justice sometimes turn slowly, but they do turn.

    • Daniel Martinovic

      Sorry the quote wasn’t clear, the law doesn’t enable joint adoption. But the law can be improved, and that’s something we’ll work towards to.

      • Aron Sasportas

        Which quotation is not clear?

        If you mean mine “The new law [...],” please see the full report (Report 10) in “Equal Human Rights and Civil Rights for All Persons, No Matter Their Gender, No Matter Their Sexual Orientation: A Newsletter.”

        When considered together, paragraphs 2.A, 2.A.i, 2.B.iii, and 3.A in the report presumably provide the clarity you expected.

        If clarity is still lacking, please write the editors of the newsletter (an email address is provided at the end of the newsletter).

        • Daniel Martinovic

          No, I didn’t mean your quotation, the report in the newsletter is really good.

  • Aleksis Niskanen-Costa

    Beautiful.. it is a step in the right direction at least! :)

  • Harry Underwood

    Good that Croatia now joins Slovenia (2005) and the Czech Republic (2006) in allowing same-sex civil unions on the Eastern side of the former Iron Curtain. Hopefully Poland and Slovakia can join the club soon.

    • Scrupulous.Geographer

      What? There are no Eastern European countries in the EU. Eastern Europe is European Russia (40% of all Europe), possibly Belarus (4% of Europe) and Ukraine (+6% of Europe).

      Croatia is geographically in western Europe and culturally between Central and Southern Europe.

      I find you remark about “Eastern side of the iron courtain” extremely offensive and divisive. It hurts me personally, but above all, it’s out of date and unfair.

      • Harry Underwood

        “There are no Eastern European countries in the EU”.

        “Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Slovenia,” are all called Eastern Europe, according to Eurovoc. http://eurovoc.europa.eu/100277

        Also, “Eastern side of the *former* Iron Curtain”. Only saying it because most of the pro-LGBT progression in law has taken place on the historic “other side”: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Same_sex_marriage_map_Europe.svg

        Not that it should be so lopsided at all.

        • Scrupulous.Geographer

          Bulgaria is geographically in southern Europe, Romania is on the crossroads between central and southern Europe, Poland and the rest are either central or north European.

          Eurovoc is no ultimate sourceon sub-division of Europe. It is geography, culture, geopolitics, self-description and varied sources that define a country, not relegation or random feeling.

          The Iron courtain was raised for some 40 years and disappeared 25 years ago. Even then, it wasn’t a real courtain and there was still some exchange. It should not define Europe today.

    • Luis Del

      Poland has a bill pending, their last was narrowly voted down in the first round, maybe this time they’ll do it. As for Slovakia, the second largest party (Christian) proposed a favor to the PM’s party and that’s why they passed the constitutional ban. The ban doesn’t forbid alternatives, but Slovakia actually submitted their first try a year before Czech Republic in the 90s and still have had no luck. Add that the current government is only looking out for itself and Slovaks will have to wait a long time for any recognition.

  • Ger

    So in Croatia the gay people are no longer fourth-class citizens, now they are third-class citizens. Thanks…! I guess.

    • Scrupulous.Geographer

      Little by little, equality will come :)

    • Aron Sasportas

      Often, the wheels of justice turn slowly. Better they turn slowly than not at all.

  • Anupam Rao

    Can someone raise the emblem of peace and love over india and pakistan where like in bangladesh where there are many such deserving fellas genuine for taking and giving love

  • Anupam Rao

    Celebrations for All in Croatia that respect freedom and peace that understand the meaning of the popular English adage:Live And Let Live

  • Anupam Rao

    Voila All ye thepioneers of equality and peace love and humane understanding for peaceful co existence all ye the lovers of life and volunteers of the rainbow Flag come ye together let us get together form a society of us accepting those just like us so that we can stand united against the oppression of the world the world knows we won’t be together that’s why there is innocent blood shed among gays who are truthful just human in everyway as others yet Persecuted for the very reason they know we aren’t together. For sure

  • Anupam Rao

    For more ideas just ask at contessan2002@yahoo/gmail.com Incase of both it is dotcom no spam please should you spam you will be barred. Take care

  • Anupam Rao

    Send your mail and u got to wait I will attend u as soon as I can thank you for reading GodBless us And may all crooks who have defamed Almighty may He See How they have pulled on his name by instilling lies that saidGod doesn’t love Gays All Who Think This are Bloody Liars Let me tell You Jesus Christ Loves All humans includes AllFlesh Incl LGBT Likewise ,TheVirgin Mary loves all HumanBeings ,incl LGBT ,let us say-believe in that -:AllSay “AMEN “. GodLovesLgbt ,VirginMary loves LGBT ,and believe This Includes-The wholeWorld, of which we the rainbow flags Reverers are a part of this world Amen.

  • That There Other David

    This is wonderful news. As we know from other countries once Civil Partnerships are commonplace the rest of the population quickly sees the sky hasn’t fallen. Well done to the Croatian politicians for pushing this through. Adoption rights next though.

    • Aron Sasportas

      The Croatian law legalizing life partnerships provides for a limited kind of adoption.

      Please see paragraphs 2 – 3.B. (inclusive) in Report 10 in “Equal Human Rights and Civil Rights for All Persons, No Matter Their Gender, No Matter Their Sexual Orientation: A Newsletter” (www.humciv.com).

  • wildseas

    Well Done :-) another good and positive step in the right direction. Great news :-) Keep on keeping on.

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