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Christian Concern: Elton John is ‘staggeringly arrogant’ for saying Jesus would support gay rights

  • Robert W. Pierce

    Prove it Andrew Marsh. Besides, Jesus Christ wasn’t even a ‘christian’, just a radical Jewish activist who had to be executed before man-made Christianity could ever exist. Imagine, a religious belief system founded on a violent, primitive execution.

  • David Jordan

    Really, because if Jesus said that all the writers of the canon gospels left it out, maybe its in one of the gospels the Romans got rid of because they where not compatible with Christianity becoming a powerful, genocidal, monocultural theocracy with a god-emperor pope.

    • James Orpin

      FYI It’s in Matthew and Mark (not sure about Luke have not checked) when Jesus is asked about divorce

  • Clayton P. King

    I’m Christian and I have never read where Jesus went out of his way to promote opposite sex marriage. In fact, Jesus said absolutely nothing about same gender marriage. In this, I agree that Jesus was quite clear. There’s nothing to say… He did, however, give us one new commandment that supercedes all others. Love. Simple, really.

    In fairness, Elton John is wrong in that Jesus was NOT a Christian; his followers became Christians.

    • Cal

      In fairness, that’s like saying Lady Gaga is not Lady Gaga fan. Semantics in this context.

      • Clayton P. King

        You’re eight, of course. Just trying to be fair.

        • Cal

          I’m nine, actually. Everybody knows Jesus was a Jew. Christianity was supposedly based on his teachings. Therefore his principals can be described as Christian. Why are you nit-picking? Go and pray about something.

  • http://www.derekwilliams.net Derek Williams

    But apparently it’s not “staggeringly arrogant” for Christian Concern to say Jesus would NOT support us.

    • Jones

      They can say whatever they want. After all they have God to support them on everything they say.

      • http://www.derekwilliams.net Derek Williams

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  • Pablo

    Am I seriously reading this correctly? A Christian has the nerve to call another person arrogant? That’s hilarious, that’s like a murderer calling a rapist a scumbag.

  • Mark Y

    I really don’t care what a jewish carpenter who lived 2000 years ago in the middle east would have thought about gay rights. Why would anyone care?

    • Carl

      Did he even exist?

      • Rehan

        No first-hand evidence that he did.

    • David Greensmith

      To be fair, I’m not really that concerned about what a bunch of mediaval bigots think about it today, or the opinion of a self-appointed representative of all things gay with questionable integrity and whose opinion changes with the weather.

  • Psychologist

    “Elton John is ‘staggeringly arrogant’ for saying Jesus would support gay rights.. ”
    Says the STAGGERINGLY ARROGANT group “Christian concern” …!!!!
    Hypocrisy !

  • Alexander Kelso Shiels

    He did not give up his life for us, He was murdered by people like Cristian Concern who dont like others taking over theire patch. Tell all Religions to go and Hate no more! For they certainly are not god fearing. Jesus was just a common man like all the rest of us.

  • Stephen

    F*** Chrsitian Concern.
    F*** Jesus.
    F*** Elton John.
    The 1st is a pack of mentally ill lunatics.
    The 2nd is some a$$hole sky-fairy that does not exist.
    The 3rd is the man who is always happy to profit from homophobia (or racism – let;s not forget how he played to segregated audiences during apartheid) so long as the price is right.

    • Peter Moseley

      Another eltonophobic rant from Stephen. There was a pile of them to last week’s article when Elton’s comment was first reported.

      Methinks such ranting indicates that Stephen is a closet fan of Elton.

  • Husky

    In the stories, Jesus said ‘Have you not read that the One who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh”? Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.’ so that must be what these Christians refer to.

    However, he continues, “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)

    This terminology (“born eunuchs”) was used in the ancient world to refer to homosexual men.

  • CHBrighton

    Christian Concern is a Hate Group.

    • Krazie

      Yes and they have many other hate groups disguised with wholesome sounding names.

  • Neil Rhodes

    What’s that? Jesus is ALIVE!? Cor blimey!

    And he, ahem, went out of his way … to underline how it’s wrong for any other than a man and woman to marry, did he?

    Isn’t it a crying shame that no-one was around to record that and post it on YouTube?

    A representative of Christian Concern would never say anything to serve their own ends? Would they?

  • Tom (Winnipeg)

    I would say that Christians are “staggeringly arrogant” for saying that God hates “homosexuals”. We are faced with these staggeringly offensive statements everylday from these so-called Christians. Since Christ was an historical figure, there is no reason to dismiss an opinion such as Elton-John’s. But to speak for God, who remains silent and above the ridiculous statements of indoctrinated fanatics, is quite another story.

    • Rehan

      Is there any first-hand evidence for the existence of the person known as the Christ? I don’t believe so.

      • Tom (Winnipeg)

        Just a little research and this came up:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

        I stand confidently by my statement, having done much research into these matters. Would suggest that you do likewise, instead of blindly following gut reactions.

        • de Villiers

          Rehan is one of the most considered and reasonable persons who comment on this board.

        • David H

          As a non-religious person with an interest in theology, I personally think that Jesus (the man) did exist. However, I’m pretty confident that Rehan is correct. I’m not aware that there is any definitively confirmed evidence that he existed.

          You rightly reference the writings of Flavius Josephus; however, there are numerous historical documents that attest to the reign of King Arthur and most historians are pretty certain that he didn’t exist. Likewise, historians and others have spent centuries debating the legitimacy of Plato’s reference to Atlantis.

          A difficult one, but certainly not case proven.

        • Rehan

          I’m afraid I don’t understand your comment, Tom (Winnipeg): has your extensive research into the matter given you the impression (confident) that someone born in 37CE can be considered a “first-hand” authority?

          It certainly looks as though someone here is ‘blindly following gut reactions.’ Not I.

  • Rehan

    It may be staggeringly arrogant for Elton John to make assertions about what the person known as Jesus of Nazareth may or may not have said; but it’s certainly no more staggeringly arrogant than the ludicrous hogwash these supposedly Concerned Christians come out with.

  • Truth

    And – where exactly is the proof that these nut jobs have any more qualifications to speak for 2000 year-old dead people than anyone else? It is THEIR arrogance which is breathtaking! When they bring their witness to court, I might start listening. Until then, I will campaign to have them put in straight-jackets and carted off to the nearest hospital. Religious belief is a mental illness. It is delusional. If anyone else claimed to be speaking for the dead, they’d be sectioned. But because it’s said by these toss pots in the name of ‘religion’, people shy away from ridicule. But ridicule is the ONLY way to shake them out of their self-delusional state. So – go and ‘Ridicule-a-Religious’ today!

  • Binedra

    DO NOT BE FOOLED by Religious Bigots: In Matthew 19, Jesus was asked about DIVORCE, He was not asked about the constitution of Marriage. In Jesus’ time marriage was simply to facilitate procreation, therefore Gay men would not have had a need to marry each other. HOWEVER, in verses 10-12 Jesus points out that NOT ALL MEN ARE GIVEN TO MARRY WOMEN AS SOME ARE EUNUCHS FROM THEIR MOTHERS’ WOMBS: In ancient Rome, the term Natural Eunuch was used to refer to gay men; therefore, Jesus did acknowledge homosexuality and if he said in Matthew 19:6 “WHAT God joined together, let no man put asunder” that means Gay men have all rights to marry!
    I am so disgusted by these ignorant bigots who pick and choose verses to condemn other people!

  • David Greensmith

    Elton is “staggeringly arrogant” to say what Jesus would want. An appraisal that appears not to apply to bigoted Christians, however.

  • robertfoutch

    Who wrote what in the bible , it has been translated in so Manny ways , who can believe anything.

  • Craig Young

    And “Christian Concern” (sic) is staggeringly arrogant for hijacking the word ‘Christian’ and reducing it to a mere synonym for shrill, ugly, stupid homophobes and transphobes.

  • James Orpin

    I feel dirty for saying it but Christian Concern are correct Elton John is arrogant – not really news though. Also if he existed Jesus almost certainly would be anti-gay, however the opinion of mythical/semi-mythical people is not worthy of consideration

  • Joeoz

    Well… as they say, “A picture says a thousand words”. Also the caption helps!

  • Joeoz

    Well… as they say, “A picture says a thousand words”.
    Also the caption helps!

  • jamessavik

    Even in Christian circles there is a debate over the issue.

    Despite what Christian Concern may think, it is an open issue.

  • Jon (Malaysia)

    Of course he’s staggeringly arrogant. He’s Elton John for Chris’ sake! However, he has as much right to interpret a non existent man made mostly idiotic sky fairy’s intentions as does Christian Concern.

  • Mikeylano

    Elton John is an idiot for stooping down to this level of trivial argument.

    You do not negotiate with people throwing illogical or irrelevant arguments. You simply overrule them.

  • Arr U. Gaetü

    The disciple whom Jesus loved is referred to, specifically, six times in John’s gospel:

    It is this disciple who, while reclining beside Jesus at the Last Supper, asks Jesus, after being requested by Peter to do so, who it is that will betray him.[Jn 13:23-25]

    Later at the crucifixion, Jesus tells his mother, “Woman, here is your son”, and to the Beloved Disciple he says, “Here is your mother.”[Jn 19:26-27]

    When Mary Magdalene discovers the empty tomb, she runs to tell the Beloved Disciple and Peter. The two men rush to the empty tomb and the Beloved Disciple is the first to reach the empty tomb. However, Peter is the first to enter.[Jn 20:1-10]

    In John 21, the last chapter of the Gospel of John, the Beloved Disciple is one of seven fishermen involved in the miraculous catch of 153 fish.[Jn 21:1-25] [5]

    Also in the book’s final chapter, after Jesus hints to Peter how Peter will die, Peter sees the Beloved Disciple following them and asks, “What about him?” Jesus answers, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!”[John 21:20-23]

    Again in the gospel’s last chapter, it states that the very book itself is based on the written testimony of the disciple whom Jesus loved.[John 21:24]

    [Ref: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_whom_Jesus_loved ]

    If they want to start quoting from the Old Testament, that opens a whole different can of worms, not the least of which is the hot romance between Jonathan and David.

    1 Samuel 18:1-30
    “As soon as he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day and would not let him return to his father’s house. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul… And this was good in the sight of all the people and also in the sight of Saul’s servants.”

    2 Samuel 1:26
    ”How I weep for you, my brother Jonathan. Oh, how much I loved you. And your love for me was deep, deeper than the love of women.”

    My Comment: 80% of Christians don’t read the Bible, the other 20% are liars.

  • http://loveandtruth.co.uk Faithful and True

    Sir Elton John was absolutely correct in saying that Jesus would support gay rights, and in fact liberate the gay community on that awesome day when humanity stands before the throne of God.
    Andrew Marsh response to Sir Elton’s comments about Jesus, show a complete lack of understanding of scripture and a prime example of falsely using scripture to back up homophobic beliefs. Andrew Marsh claims Jesus has spoken quite clearly on this subject to underline that marriage is between a man and a woman, as God had intended.
    The Truth is this; Jesus said there was a lifestyle that was greater than marriage, but the lifestyle was harder to live. Marriage was permitted in order to help people live a more responsible life and allow people to become more committed to each other and their children and the wider community.
    Many years ago the Geek Orthodox Church used to conduct same sex marriage ceremony’s, but stopped because of opposition from outside sources. Those who keep insisting that marriage is only a Sacrament between men and women, actually insult the Sacrament of Marriage, reducing it to a licence for sex.
    Marriage between men and women have been reduced in some cultures to slavery where a woman has no right to choose her own husband and must be obedient to him. A woman did not have a right to refuse to have sex with her husband, and that attitude lives on to day within some marriages between a man and woman.
    Marriage between two men or two women can actually teach the faithful what a real marriage is all about, such as commitment to each other and treating each other has equals.
    Personally, my parents are a shining example of this, being there for each other in good times and bad and in sickness as well as health. They brought me up to be honest and to tell the truth.
    My partner and I have been together for 29 years this month and are in a civil partnership which we consider equal to marriage. We both carry a cross of sickness together and remain committed to each other and are happy. Jesus brought us together in 1995 and has kept us together.
    So Sir Elton John, keep the Rainbow Flag Flying, for God, Queen, and People!
    http://www.loveandtruth.co.uk

  • kirk

    And of course the COE maintains a monopoly on being staggeringly (or non staggering) arrogant. Of course.

  • Dana Chilton

    Jesus is alive? Jesus said what? I’m not a christian but I know for a fact that Jesus was never asked about same sex marriage in the bible and he certainly never said “marriage is between one man and one woman”. In fact, the bible never defines marriage…it always just assumes the institution exists and the most examples of marriage in the bible is one man and many women. These people just parrot political talking points.

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