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US: Trans man wins ‘Mr Gay Philadelphia’ competition

  • gskorich

    I am assuming mr gay Philadelphia has male bits?

    • Andra Simons

      does it matter? No.

      • gskorich

        yes it does matter, if this person is being called mr gay whatever it is assumed he is a male with male parts representing the gay community.

        • Andra Simons

          First of all who’s community? He only won a competition and by no means represents the ‘Gay’ community and secondly and more importantly he’s male regardless of parts… so I reiterate, no it doesn’t matter…

          • gskorich

            still wrong, if gay wasn’t so important and gender so important then why is he mr gay whatever

          • Andra Simons

            Because he’s male and loves men… has there been any other criteria?

          • gskorich

            we don’t know if he is male until we know he has male parts

          • Andra Simons

            One doesn’t have to have male parts to be male. if tonight some shag of yours accidentally bites your pee pee off leaving you with nothing to salvage, will you then argue that you are now a woman?

          • gskorich

            wrong again. if i have a penis and it gets removed in an accident and i replace it with a vagina then i am a woman, but if i do not replace my penis i am still a man

          • Andra Simons

            Wrong? Is everything wrong or right with you black or white? where’s room for grey. besides your argument is silly and offensive. Gender has NOTHING to do with genitalia.

          • gskorich

            back to my question, if this person is representing the gay community as a gay man then i assume they have make parts and have sex with men right? otherwise if this person is having sex with men and they have female parts its heterosexual, if they have female parts and sleep with women then they are a lesbian

          • Andra Simons

            I answered your questions, it doesn’t matter… if he identifies as gay regardless of having ‘male’ parts he’s gay. He identifies as Trans/Gay. I would bet that the organizers didn’t ask him to strip or prove otherwise. the whole point is obviously that a Transman – regardless of ‘parts’ has won and as you state ‘represents’ the community. Obviously not your community. but IF I was in his community I would be proud to be represented by him – if i knew more about him and regardless of ‘parts’. and if you don’t like it you can start your own flesh show and discriminate on whether or not the contestants have hanging appendages longer than an inch.

          • Alex

            You know, if someone is willing to give you an education for free, you should jump at the chance. Learn something. Repeating the same thing over and over in an entirely uninformed manner really just makes you look like a total idiot. At least do some of the reading, try and have an informed debate. Not just “hurr durr penis derp”.

          • Lorenza70

            Ok I will educate a little; even if he didn’t have surgery(which by the way is none of our business) He will have testosterone shots which actually creates a small penis. He also has the added bonus of wearing a strap on with the cock size of his choice. Please you really need to read up about what makes gender because you truly are an embarrassment.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            Now I’m laughing out loud at this fixation with who’s got what inside their knickers when there’s SO MUCH MORE that makes a man a man and woman a woman and there are scores of variations inbetween! You need to wake up and acknowledge reality.

          • Jara Krys

            Mr. gskorich do you not know of the existence of total tops in your own community? I don’t get why these gay men, like you, try to represent the entire gay community when you don’t even know it. Before I was a transwoman, I was a total bottom, and I can tell you that the gay men I dated didn’t even need to know that I had male genitalia. What does that tell you? – Oh! That male genitalia isn’t a defining attraction for all gay men.

            So with your line of argument, a gay masculine man who likes a very feminine gay man is not actually gay because the feminine man has some “womanly” traits (since you consider vagina to be a womanly trait)? That own hypocrisy tears down any transphobic argument you are trying to make. Please gay men, know your own community before you try to talk for it. I feel bad for those you misrepresent. That’s why some “gay” men I know don’t even identify as gay, they opt for the identity of queer.

          • RedDevil9

            If you think having an accident suddenly ‘changes your gender ID into a woman’s’, you seriously have no clue about trans people at all. I think you also imagine ‘there’s a single surgery that can just put one back on again’. There isn’t. Trans men have to go through many different surgeries over many stages to create one and not all of them do it or can afford it. Some go so far and are happy with the appearance and some don’t opt for any surgery at all, though the genitals do change somewhat on hormones as does their outward appearance. You’d never know this man wasn’t born male looking at him. Perhaps research the subject a bit and find out for yourself instead of jumping in with absolutely no knowledge on it at all.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            Your thinking is as bad as a religious extremist’s! You’re as fixated on genitals as the Jews, Christians, and Muslims who have their little boys rushed to surgical mutilation (“circumcision”).

          • Andra Simons

            it should only be of you’re concern if you’re planning to f*ck him! otherwise stay outta his pants…

          • gskorich

            truth is if this person is representing the GAY community GAY stands for something, in its simplest form it means guys of the same sex. figure it out

          • Andra Simons

            I figured this out before i read the article, decades ago. you need to figure it out, you obviously don’t read this site much, or anything worth reading in the queer community. I’ll end it there. You can begin your education here https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

          • gskorich

            thats why i think the transcommunity has no place in the LGB community. the yard on their own path of trying to redefine who i am as a gay man.

          • Andra Simons

            So what your saying is that if the winner of this competition, who presents himself as male and identifies as male and may not have male parts goes out to celebrate this win with his male lover who does have ‘parts’ and some thugs beat them up and call them fags etc He should not be protected under the lgb banner. Absurd! those Thugs would beat him up regardless, to them he’s gay… they won’t know the difference…

          • gskorich

            wow where do you get these scenarios. cover it with what you will. if this person has a vagina they are a woman

          • Andra Simons

            Now I will end it. He’s not a woman. vagina or not.

          • Christopher in Canada

            It can’t end until we find out who is in his record collection.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            Ha, ha. Good point. That’s one attribute amongst MANY that determines where we all fall on the spectrum.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            So you’ve stated it! In your mind what makes a woman a woman is whether or not she has a vagina. Do you realise you’re as hung up on genitalia as homophobes are hung up on what homosexual men do in bed at night?

          • gskorich

            why is it ok for you to ask me to change what i like? thats all i have been saying from the beginning i like a man with a penis and now i have to defend that? do you see anything wrong with that?

          • Andra Simons

            No one’s trying to define you. I’ve no interest in trying to define you. Just stop trying to define others.

          • gskorich

            they most certainly are trying to redefine what a gay man is. in my life and experience a gay man sleeps with men other men, i don’t know many gay men whop sleep with men with vaginas

          • Andra Simons

            You just haven’t met any… that says more about your circle than it does about gay men…

          • gskorich

            i have met them but they aren’t called gay men, they are called straight men

          • Andra Simons

            Just trust me I’ve met and know more then a few… so those GAY men exist.

          • Geoff McLarney

            then you need to meet more gay men!

          • Lorenza70

            You really don’t know anything about what makes a gender do you? It is your lack of education that embarrasses the queer community; as you sound like the type of prejudiced uneducated bigot we all have to fight against. Now stop embarrassing yourself and go and get an education.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            Your not knowing many gay men who sleep with men who have vaginas is your problem, because there do exist men who have vaginas, and there do exist gay men who like other men who have vaginas. It’s not common, but it happens.

          • gskorich

            hmmmm. i’m not saying they don’t exist i am saying they are heterosexual or at least bi sexual if they are having sex with someone with the opposite sexual organs, its not my definition

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            gskorich, I guess you’re not comfortable with your own gender fluidity? You have rigidly defined rules as to what makes a man a man.

          • gskorich

            lol thats funny , you guys always go after that one when you have nothing else to say or the truth is looking at you in the face

          • gskorich

            as for this comment, i don’t plan on doing that with this person but if they are going to be representing gay MEN the should have the man parts,

          • Andra Simons

            for what reason? to do what, bang you over the head with!?!

          • anon

            You remind me of a little boy that put on a skirt and said “I’m a girl now!”. It was really sweet and cute, but totally naïve.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            But some of us might wish the winner to own other attributes that we admire in a man. Why should YOUR requirement that he have a penis override other attributes?

        • RedDevil9

          gskorich. Sexuality and gender aren’t the same thing, otherwise there’d be no gay people and no trans people would there. Many trans people identify as gay in their true gender. What do you expect him to do, pretend not to like men just to suit you? Do you judge every single person you meet by what’s between their legs, rather than who they are and if they’re a nice person or not?

          • gskorich

            i don’t judge anyone on anything and that has nothing to do with the fact that this person won a contest in which they will represent mr gay philadelphia. they are calling this person mister gay, that means a gay man. gay men have certain qualities, one of them being a penis the other being they have sex with other men with penis. if you both don’t have the parts them its something else

          • Alexandra Burnell

            Actually having sex isn’t required to identify your sexuality. Plenty of people that identify as gay don’t actually have sex.

          • https://www.facebook.com/Moonflower1988 A.N.Lacey

            How can you be part of the LGBT community that struggles with so much hate just for respect acceptance and not respect and accept a transgendered person? He is a transgender man. He is a man who was born male mentally who’s gender identity does not fit with the body he was born into! You telling a transgender man that he is a woman because of his “parts” is no different than a bigot telling you that you are a straight man because of yours. It is not your parts that make you gay and it’s not his parts that make him a man. You come off just as ignorant and rude as any bigot out there and it’s disheartening how much of this we have in our community. He is a gay transMAN and your argument about parts is just as invalid as the Christians Adam and Eve argument. The fact that you mentioned that you don’t believe the T should be in LGBT is beyond belief. We try and keep a community where all of us LGBT people can feel accepted and you want to cut a group of people out?

          • gskorich

            tell me this. if gender does not define genitalia then how do people know they were assigned the wrong genitals? if a man can have a vagina and a woman a penis then why would anyone need to change anything

          • https://www.facebook.com/Moonflower1988 A.N.Lacey

            Well using my common sense I would think that it is just as it is for as any person with feelings that do not fit into the “hetero-normative”. The same way I knew I was different because I had a crush on my female teachers at a young age. It was just how I was , it was just what I felt. There have been many cases of children born boys as young as four or five who attempt or have the desire to cut off their own genitalia because they feel inside that they are female. If you are a gay man you paint yourself a hypocrite with some of the statements you have made. Your hypocrisy does not help in giving your argument vadility. You have the right to have your opinion but my dear sir arguing them here the way you have only makes you look ignorant, hypocritical, and rude. ✋

          • RedDevil9

            ‘If gender does not define genitalia then how do people know they were assigned the wrong genitals?’

            Why do you think it’s ‘all about the genitals’ with trans people? It really isn’t. It’s about identity. He’s a man, that’s who he is and no-one would know he was trans at all if he wasn’t out about it. Socially everyone sees him as the man he is. Do you judge every person you meet by their genitals? You have no idea what every person you meet has between their legs. If you suddenly found out that one of your long-time gay friends was a trans man, would deny he was a man?

            You’re transphobic. You don’t want people to be homophobic, so don’t be transphobic. Don’t deny who trans people are, don’t patronise them and question their identity. What you’re doing is just the same as someone questioning your sexuality, denying you, belittling you and attacking you for being gay.

          • gskorich

            i knew you;d eventually call me at least homophobic but transphobic works too. its the catch all phase used by you to call people who don’t subscribe to your thinking. i hate no one. i am simply asking a question. we are being told to redefine the meaning of male, female, gay straight. thats not phobic anything what it shows ids your lack of intelligence

          • RedDevil9

            You think it’s ‘all about genitals’. You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about. And you’re insulting trans people by saying they’re not really who they are.

          • gskorich

            really I’m insulting trans people, I’m not saying they can’t be anything they are, they have that right what i am saying is fact, in todays world in order to be a gay man you have to have a penis and sleep with other men, that is how its defined.

          • RedDevil9

            Trans people have always existed just as gay people have always existed. In the past, before any medication or surgeries were available, many would live their whole lives in another gender only for it to be found that they had a different physical gender when they died. Lots of trans men have done that in the past. No-one knew they weren’t born male until the very end. Everyone just knew them as a man.

          • gskorich

            ok back to reality now. there are certain things that are constant. homosexuality and heterosexuality are two of them. i’ll let you look up the definition. what a person identifies as does not take that away.

          • RedDevil9

            You clearly haven’t got a clue what reality is. You didn’t answer my question anyway. What would you do if you found out that one of your long-time gay male friends was a trans man? Would you see him as any less a man? Would you deny who he was?

          • gskorich

            didn’t answer? was that before or after you called me transphobia, doesn’t really make me want to have a discussion with you. again i don’t hate trans men and who they are but in this situation they are being called to represent a gay community of what? gay men with penis, i am assuming its still a pretty high percentage that have a penis

          • RedDevil9

            Gay trans man or straight trans man, it makes no difference does it, they’re still a man. I don’t know if you’re gay or not, but if I suggested you weren’t really gay, that it was a choice, that you were confused and you just hadn’t found the right woman yet, then I’d be denying who you were wouldn’t I. That’s what you’re doing to this guy and trans people in general.

          • gskorich

            your post says nothing i wonder how many in the lesbian community would stand up an applaud a MTF who still has a penis representing them

          • RedDevil9

            It wouldn’t bother me at all, but I know some gay women who’d think the same as you though and I’d disagree with them the same as I’m disagreeing with you. It’s ignorance really. Trans people change their appearance with hormones and change their gender identity long before any surgeries. It’s a long process. So some trans women will still have a penis early on while living as women, and some never have any surgery either, the same as some trans men don’t. It doesn’t make them any less a woman or a man and again you wouldn’t know unless they told you or had a relationship with you or something. You have no more right to deny who they are than anyone has the right to deny who you are.

          • gskorich

            no one is denying anyone anything. i never said this person or anyone else can’t be who they are. you are trying to read something into this. my issue is simple, i’ve spelled it out for you. unless they have redefined homosexuality then this person is not gay. they are a trans man with a vagina who sleeps with guys, thats not gay

          • RedDevil9

            No. What you’ve done is question if they’ve had any surgery, which in your mind determines whether they’re really a man or not. Have you ever even met a trans man before?

          • gskorich

            again, in todays world homosexuality means having sex with someone of the same sexual organs as you. i think the question is relevant

          • RedDevil9

            I’ll take that as a no then. And seeing one in a crowded room or at a pride parade doesn’t count. I doubt you’ve ever actually had a proper chat with one before. I have. One of my best friends is a trans man. You’re ignoring their gender identity completely. Trans men aren’t ‘butch gay women who went a bit further’ you know. It’s not the same thing at all. As you can see in this story, he likes men, he’s a gay man.

          • gskorich

            then you are asking those of us in the gay community to redefine what it means to be a gay man having gay sex, right? you are asking the lesbians to redefine what a lesbian and lesbian sex is, right? this friend of yours can identify as they choose but physically if they still have a vagina and sleep with men, thats not gay

          • RedDevil9

            I can see we’re going round in circles here. Some trans men do have surgeries, some don’t. And if you were attracted to a trans man physically and really liked them as a person, fell in love with them, without going into explicit detail, it’s not exactly hard to add a penis is it.

          • gskorich

            i am a gay man who likes penis if i were to meet a man, trans or not i would assume they would disclose the fact that they had a vagina or wouldn’t be offended if i asked if they were born a man. i’m sure MTF go through disclosure a lot

          • RedDevil9

            So in a packed nightclub, you’d ask and make sure a guy you were attracted to and were clicking with on the night, had a penis and you’d expect them to still be interested in you in any way after that. Why do you think you have a right to ask someone you’ve just met something like that? And why would they disclose something as personal as that to someone they’d just met? It’s not the same as being gay in that way, it’s quite a personal thing isn’t it and it can also be dangerous for trans people to be out like that in some clubs. If you were a trans guy, how would you act or cope if someone asked you something like that and would you out yourself in a packed nightclub where you could possibly be in danger by outing yourself? How would you yourself react if someone asked you if you were trans? At least you’ve answered my question now, in a roundabout way, you’ve never really got to know a trans man before. Though you wouldn’t see them as a real man anyway. You really are transphobic, don’t try to deny it. Trans men are not real men to you. I suppose you’ll have to be careful who you have the hots for then and who you smooch with eh?

          • gskorich

            so in your scenario how does it work out? when does the trans man disclose? why is it assumed i would accept that? does tha take me transphobic for wanting a man with a penis, no it does not and that what you don’t understand. if i am out at a club and meet someone there are certain things that are asked before the hook up happens, one of them is status, not personal enough for you? come on make sense, just because a gay man with a penis wants to sleep with another gay man with a penis does not make them enemies of the transcommunity. you need to make some sense

          • RedDevil9

            It’s called getting to know someone over time before you sleep with them. You can’t expect a trans person to out themselves to a complete stranger in a night club. Some trans people are out and open about it, some aren’t. If you like someone enough, you’d wait and get to know them a bit better. If you then found out they were trans, someone like you would clearly reject them anyway, no matter how much you were smitten. It’s all a bit sad really. You must live in a very small world.

          • gskorich

            so knowing i am a gay man who likes penis i am the bad guy in this because i can’t change what i like? but the trans man has all the right to not disclose who they really are until they are ready hoping i will change? its not about rejecting anyone. its a matter of choice. i date men with a penis, you will never convince that is wrong.

          • RedDevil9

            I never said that was wrong. You can date whoever you like, whatever floats your boat. This comment stream stemmed from you suggesting that he isn’t a real man, that he shouldn’t be defined as one and that he shouldn’t have been allowed to enter this competition because he’s trans and may not have a penis. You demand that a trans man has to have a penis to be defined as a man. Some trans men do, some don’t. They’re still men though. The hormones alone change their bodies dramatically; their voice breaks, the fatty deposits in the skin and facial muscles change, they can grow facial hair and their body becomes more muscular. There are lots of other changes too. He identifies as male and dates gay men. It might not be to your liking, but not all gay men think like you do. Your personal choice is entirely up to you, as is everyone else’s, but when you’re trying to say he’s not a real man, that’s an entirely different thing than expressing your own personal preference isn’t it. It’s an attack against him for being trans and you see him as a fake gay man. He’s no fake, he’s a man and a good looking one at that.

          • Alex

            It doesn’t make you transphobic to want a man with a penis, that’s personal preference. It makes you transphobic to say that every gay man wants a penis, that trans men can’t be gay and that no gay men will sleep with them. That’s utter nonsense.

          • gskorich

            lol i’m starting to believe we should all be born transphobic and prove our innocence. so what you are saying is some gay men don’t want their partner to have a penis? really. what does homosexuality mean to you?

          • Alex

            It means having a preference for a person of the same gender. There are loads of variations of relationships therein . Like all the way from absolute asexuality to rampant promiscuity. From being mad about the cock to meh cock’s good but a good body or personality is more important. And everyone has their own preferences. And that’s OK! It’s not Transphobic to not want to sleep with trans men how many times do you need to be told before it sinks in? That is OK ! But some trans men are active in the gay community with guys who are interested. Also OK! Where’s the problem here? Why make problems for the sake of it?

          • gskorich

            again, no problem with anyone. lets take the word gay out and replace it with homosexual, what do you have? a trans man with a vagina who says they are a gay man, great, but the sexual orientation is not gay because their sexual partner would have a penis, making it heterosexual.

          • Alex

            Ok. Beginning to wonder if you failed reading comprehension at school. To be heterosexual you need a man and a woman. Someone who lives their whole life as a man doesn’t magically turn into a woman in bed because of their genitals. That just doesn’t make sense.

          • Lina Lehua

            I don’t think you speak for any except a very few non accepting idiots with too much time on their hands. You are older and your time in this new gay community will be overshadowed and you will see what it is like to be someone shunned for something so completely superficial.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            You say “that is how its defined” but what’s really happening is YOU are demanding that that be how it be defined. But your problem is that the world doesn’t march to your rules.

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            Answer: fluidity and diversity.

          • RedDevil9

            Yes you do judge. You’re denying the gender identity of trans people is what you’re doing. A pretty disgusting thing to do actually seeing as that’s what it’s all about for trans people. It’s their main issue and you’re questioning it and denying who they are. Don’t you think they get enough prejudice as it is without having people from the rest of the LGBT community denying them too? It’s like heterosexuals attacking gay people for being gay. That’s effectively what you’re doing here to trans people. He’s a man, not a ‘woman’. Genitals do not determine gender. Gender identity is between the ears. Perhaps you’re just jealous because he’s good looking?

          • gskorich

            honey, look at his picture on queerty and tell me who’s good looking. why is it people on these boards feel a need to attack when they have nothing to say. gender is between the ears? then why would it matter whats between your legs? right? as for this person, they decided to enter a mr gay contest which in any other city would assume you have a penis and sleep with men. now i can only assume this person has a vagina and sleeps with men but identifies as a gay man, thats fine in their world but in the gay world, you can’t redefine homosexuality.

          • RedDevil9

            ‘Why is it people on these boards feel a need to attack when they have nothing to say?’

            Listen to your own words. Learn from them.

        • Jesus_Mohammed

          You’re suggesting that what makes a man is male genitalia. I don’t agree. Take a look at the images on the following page.

          http://lounge.obviousmag.org/exorbito/2014/06/corpos-em-teia.html

          • gskorich

            does nothing for me, i am attracted to men with a penis, thats not going to change. saying a man has a vagina, a gay man is asking us to redefine what we call sexual orientation. having sex with a vagina while you have a penis is heterosexual. are you telling me you can change your sexual orientation, is it a choice

          • Jesus_Mohammed

            And if the man with the penis has a face or body that is considerably womanly, you’re still attracted to him? Of course not. Why not? Because the truth is that possession of a penis is NOT what is most important to you at all.

            Anyway, the simplest way of shooting your arguments dead is by proclaiming that the true definition of a gay man is that he must have a penis no shorter than 10.5 inches! Any penis shorter than that is unacceptable and the possessor is not a gay man.

        • Shan Taylor

          Transphobic moron

        • Jesus_Mohammed

          So if the man with the penis has a face or body that is considerably womanly, you’re still attracted to him? Of course not. Why not? Because the truth is that possession of a penis is NOT what is most important to you at all.

          Anyway, the simplest way of shooting your arguments dead is by proclaiming that the true definition of a gay man is that he must have a penis no shorter than 10.5 inches! Any penis shorter than that is unacceptable and the possessor is not a
          gay man.

  • MrPeterCat

    Why is PN adding in stories about criminal acts to this story?

    • lit per

      yeah, i don’t get it. This guy from his interview sounds sweet, I doubt he would even hurt a fly.

  • lit per

    he’s hot

    • anon

      Agreed. And I’m not even androphilic.

    • Jesus_Mohammed

      Indeed, he is! But we are responding to a photograph that is mostly of a face, So doesn’t this suggest that when we, gay men, say we’re attracted to other men it’s that we’re considerably attracted to a particular kind of face?

  • That There Other David

    Congratulations to him.

  • bosslet

    To those who feel he shouldn’t be allowed to represent gay men, presumably then you don’t accept the gender of trans people, which is a shame. As far as I’m concerned (and I’m a gay man who was born male), this guy is clearly now male, whatever he once was, and he likes guys which to me makes him a gay man. And would I date him? You bet- and I suspect a lot of other gay men would, too,

  • Ger

    It’s great. But I would prefer a LGBT contest with distinct sub-categories: Lesbian-Gay- Bisexual-Transgender. The goal of these events is the visibility; therefore this mixture creates confusion and is detrimental to the visibility. The word “gay” cannot be used to name all LGBT people.

    By the way, I have read some comments questioning whether a transgender man can be considered gay. In my opinion, a transgender man with same-sex attractions can effectively be considered, rather, a homosexual man, but maybe the term “gay” is not entirely accurate because it defines a existing social group that never included trans people. Paradoxically, if a guy feels sexually attracted to transgender man that guy is clearly bisexual/pansexual and not gay or homosexual.

    Besides, we, lgbt people, have strived to teach straight people to overcome prejudice about us. And the first lesson is the distinction between sexual orientation and gender identity. Therefore, especially we should be clear about these basic concepts .

    All gays are homosexuals but not all homosexuals are gays. In my opinion, gay men are cisgender and monosexual guys who only feel sexual attraction to cisgender guys. The rest can be homosexual but not gay.

    • Alex

      “You people and your quaint little categories”

      • Ger

        Ok… I love the taxonomy and the Scientific Knowledge in general.
        I have a brain and I use it. I am a rational being and a rationalist person.

        I was born this way, it was not a choice. ;)

        • Alex

          Me too, I’m a scientist. But shoving people in boxes, that isn’t cool, sensible or realistic.

          • Ger

            It’s ok. My view is totally different from yours. And I am sure I am right. Hence we will not get an agreement on this and I do not think that we need further discussion about this.

          • Lala Sara

            You’re telling one thing and doing the opposite. You’re saying we must teach to overcome prejudice, and at the same time you’re doing the prejudice yourself. You’re saying that there is distinction between sexual orientation and gender identity, and doing no distinction offering to divide all of it at one scale.

          • Ger

            I spoke out about sexual orientation issues (who could be considered gay or not) and not about gender issues.
            Gay is a specific (and sacred) concept and should not be distorted.
            What about if we start to respect other points of view? Thanks….

          • Alex

            Sacred! That’s a new one, not heard being gay described as sacred before!

          • Ger

            I referred to the concepts (which are not subjective) and not to being gay.
            “Sacred” is maybe a hyperbole but I wanted to make it clear that certain concepts, which are objective, cannot be distorted capriciously.

          • Alex

            “I’m sure that I am right.” Wow. How many of the world’s problems have begun with this little gem!

    • Matthew Richards

      Ummmm…no. Being attracted to a transgender man doesn’t automatically make you bi/pan, because transgender men aren’t women. WTF?

      • Ger

        Ok. I think that we are adults and we can speak out clearly about sexual issues. Therefore, If a guy likes a person (no matter whether is a woman or a man) who has female sex organs (vagina) and/or breasts he cannot be considered gay or homosexual. I repeat again, no matter whether those female sex organs (vagina) and/or breasts are part of the body of a man or a woman.

        Anyway, we can see that some men initially self-identify as gay and later they get married with women but they insist that they are still gay (and not bisexual). Consequently, anything can be possible.
        :/

        • Matthew Richards

          First of all, breasts aren’t sex organs. Second, how do you know what sex organs a person has by just looking at them? I doubt you’ve checked the sex organs of every person you’re attracted. Plenty of gay men are attracted to Brad Pitt but I doubt any of them have checked to see if he has a penis. If he has a vulva, does that mean all of them get their “gay card” revoked? That’s just sillyness.

          • Ger

            For my part, I will not use sophisms. So I will just say that I have a pair of eyes and a brain. Believe me, the most of people can know these things.
            But If I was confused about someone and only later I realized about this fact, I do not change my stance. That small male organ is an absolute requirement for me (and any other gay).

          • Matthew Richards

            You said that if a guy likes a person who has “female sex organs”, he cannot be considered gay. So if you are attracted to someone, then find out they don’t have the genitals you expected. will you admit that you’re not actually gay? Or will you admit there’s a problem with your definition?

            Being attracted to only people with penises isn’t being gay, it’s being phallosexual. I’ve never met anyone who’s phallosexual, because I’ve never met anyone who needs to see someone naked before they’re attracted to that person. On the other hand, I’ve met many people who don’t want to have sex with a person unless they have a penis, which is a different matter entirely.

          • Ger

            We have already made our views clear on all these aspects. We will never agree on these issues. It is not worth getting involved in pointless discussions. Best regards. :)

          • Jara Krys

            You are disgracefully misguided Mr. Ger. Perhaps you prefer a man with a penis, and I will not contest that – everyone has a preference. But from my understanding, attraction starts from clothed individuals – unless you are a nudist. Sex doesn’t come into play until both people decide to have sex, but at that point they typically are attracted to each other.

            In terms of liking transmen – a man is a man, regardless of their genitalia. The only requirement of being a man is labeling yourself as such. I have this issue arise as well when lots of straight men are attracted to me as transwomen, but do not like men whatsoever. These people are open-minded and realize a vagina doesn’t make a woman. I would hope the gay cis-male community would be more understanding, but it seems like the opposite.

            Consequently, you have your right to your own preferences, but you completely misunderstand the “gay” community. Not everyone is the same, not all gay men like masculine men, or feminine men – they have preference of height, skin color, sex position, etc. and genitalia can be one of those preferences. Don’t isolate a penis when to gay men other things can be equally or more important, especially for a total top. Please, learn about your own community before you try to represent it.

          • Ger

            I would prefer not to personalize the discussion. But if you ask me, I repeat it respectfully and with affection:

            Firstly, the LGBT Community is not a monolithic and homogeneous block, it is heterogeneous and it is composed of different communities. As I said previously, all gays are homosexuals but not all homosexuals are gays. In my opinion, the gay men are cisgender and monosexual guys who only feel sexual attraction to cisgender guys. The rest can be homosexual but not gay. Another example, many people confuse transgender and transsexual; but here once again, all transsexual people are transgender but not all transgender people are transsexual.

            Furthermore, speaking about the sexual orientation issue, I confirm what I said previously. A guy who feels sexually attracted to a transgender man is clearly bisexual/pansexual and not gay. Likewise, a guy who feels sexually attracted to a transgender woman is clearly bisexual/pansexual and not straight. The reason for this is clear, though the right gender is the one that the people feel about themselves, this does not preclude that the biological sex is a proven and verifiable fact. And even if a person change radically its appearance and physique (for adapting it to its gender feelings) is a fact that some characteristics of its biological sex always remain in spite of those changes. And these characteristics can always be perceived in a clear, obvious and visible manner. I do not agree with the premise that a transgender person is indistinguishable. Finally, I think that I have been quite clear.

  • nikkih777

    Congrats! He’s very handsome.

  • RedDevil9

    Don’t trans people get enough abuse as it is from straight people? To get it from gay people as well, people who should know better when it comes to prejudice, is an absolute disgrace. You can try to twist your comments and try to disguise them as much as you like, as people have done on here, but it’s still the same old bigotry, both from those who post the comments and those who like the comments.

  • Shan Taylor

    Gskorich get a life. Some men have vaginas and some women have a penis so deal with it. Your just a transphobic moron as whats between a persons legs makes them no less a man or woman as its what comes from within. Your just narrow monded and need to read upon Gender Dysphoria

  • Keith

    The gay “community” is a really bigoted bunch who judge people only on looks. As a man who happens to be gay, I find all these ‘beauty’ contests, regardless of gender etc., a sad and telling commentary on just how shallow people have become.

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