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Tory MP Simon Kirby: Those in civil partnerships must be able to convert to marriage

  • john

    Nice to know someone cares. If the gay orgs (apart from Stonewall) pushed for this as much as they pushed for SSM then we would have had this by now. There is serious danger that any goodwill the govt got for introducing SSM will be quickly lost if they don’t pull their finger out. Do I have to wait for Lab to get back in before I ca get married?

    • Benji

      I presume Stonewall are telling the Government that many same sex couples don’t want to convert the CPs to Marriages

      • allan

        Now I can’t decide – are you being ironic .

        • Steve_R

          If I was a betting man! lol

  • Benji

    Every night I go to bed thinking, if I don’t wake up in the morning I shall have died never been recognised as married.
    It really feels like most of those MPs & Lords who spoke up for SSM may only have cared about the political principle & not the reality for individuals. It is obvious that the vast majority of same sex couples who would by now have been married have been denied being so. It is small comfort to know that, if we survive long enough, it shall be deemed that we were married all along, retrospectively, so to speak.
    Keep pushing Simon Kirby.

  • Benji

    It worries me that we are getting so close the general election. I can just see them not getting it sorted before then & after that we’ll quite likely be in the hands of UKIP holding the balance of power ..

  • steve

    My partner and I are in our fifties. He is French and I am British, When we had the opportunity to form a civil partnership we did so. We had both lived through many years of conservative governments in our respective countries and never expected to see any recognition of our partnership in either France or the UK. Now, finally, we can be married in both of our respective countries. Except that we can’t!
    We do not know when we can convert our civil partnership to a marriage in the UK and the CP is not recognise as a marriage in France. In France my partner is still considered single. I am considered as a married foreign citizen. This means that we can’t be married there either.
    When will this be resolved?

    • john

      Not until you’re able to convert your CP to a marriage. France recognises CPs and gives them the equivalent rights under PACS. If you were married then you’d have different rights in France. You can’t get married in France or the UK until you dissolve your CP (you both have to be single) and you can’t dissolve your CP unless your relationship as unretrievably broken down, which it hasn’t. We’re in complete limbo….

      • CHBrighton

        As things stand (i.e. without the possibility of converting a CP to a marriage until “the end of the year”) you are correct in saying that the only way for people in Cps to marry is to dissolve their CP and then marry. However, when the new regulations finally come in, then the marriage will be backdated to the date of the CP. If you want a ceremony, then it would have to be a restating of vows rather than a new marriage ceremony. I do agree with everyone that the government is making a right hash of this and it is grossly unfair to those of us who entered CPs when they were first offered to us.

        • allan

          So – as revenge- we are all stuffed until someone somewhere decides to push for it to happen. But I suspect the Christians martyrs are leading on this decision as a pay back.

    • allan

      poor baby – it is f88king ridiculous

  • allan

    Simon can shout for equality as much as he likes but we’ve lost – and it’s deliberate- we won the battle but we were never going to win the war. What’s the bet David Cameron admits allegiance to a papish master after losing the election next year.

    • CHBrighton

      He’s already starting to make religious noises but I can’t imagine he believes any of it. I presume it’s Lynton Crosby pushing from behind as he is doing on immigration, welfare and the NHS. It will only get worse the nearer the election looms.

  • David

    As a registrar, I feel it’s important to state that this is happening, we’ve been given guidance in the last month about it, but I’m probably not allowed to say any more. The scaremongering below should probably stop. Yes it’s ridiculous that it has taken this long, but to be honest, it would have been a lot longer if the government had done it ‘properly’ from the start.

    • allan

      OK spill the beans then. When was a public servant ever told anything that was that secret.
      You don’t think a delay of 14 months deserves a better explanation than procedure.
      FGS they could call a nafional refurendum in less time
      Now if you really do know something surely others do as well you are not in the bloody masons. FFS

    • allan

      OK spill the beans then. When was a public servant ever told anything that was that secret.
      You don’t think a delay of 14 months deserves a better explanation than procedure.
      FGS they could call a nafional refurendum in less time
      Now if you really do know something surely others do as well you are not in the bloody masons. FFS

    • allan

      And done what properly FFS

    • allan

      And done what properly FFS

    • john

      The act says it’s happenning, but it hasn’t. I don’t really understand what you mean by if the govt had done it “properly” it would have taken longer and honestly all the scaremongering would cease if the govt simply did the work in a reasonable timescale and gave us a date when we could convert our CPs. As for the guidance you have been given then what exactly is that supposed to mean. Any guidance given to a regsitrar is not top secret.

    • john

      The info on council websites read something like this, so I don’t know how you have had any guidance when others haven’t!

      “Guidance on conversion from civil partnership

      At present guidance for couples wishing to convert a civil partnership to a marriage has not been issued.

      The General Register Office (GRO) has advised that it will issue guidance by the end of 2014. We will also update our website as soon as this information is available.”

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