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Wedding stationer refuses service to gay couple because of Jehovah’s Witness beliefs

  • nikkih777

    They need to find another business that on has JWs as clients. Maybe books written by and for people of their faith? A public business needs to serve the entire public.

  • Jase

    Prince (the 80s singer) is a JW and has publicly spoken out against gays on a number of occasions too.

    • gingerlycolors

      Typical double-standards from Prince. He is anti-gay yet does a rap-song about incest, ‘Sexy MF’ (The ‘M’ stands for Mother by the way, I’ll let you work out what the ‘F’ stands for yourselves!).

  • David Greensmith

    Although it may seem petty to prosecute, they should. There is a principle at stake here.

    • Benjie Watson

      I completely disagree David, this stationer is as entitled to their beliefs and to refuse service to people they feel unable to serve if their beliefs clash. As a transgender person myself, I feel that it is indeed very sad that this has happened, but we live in a capitalist society, let’s not forget, and there are plenty more stationers out there who would, I’m certain, happily take up this work. I have been refused service in the past and I’ve accepted their wishes peacefully, walked away and it’s like karma I guess; we can physically exercise our prejudices (although I naturally disapprove of this) but we must expect a backlash at some point. No, we must not condemn this person, we must let them loose business and go elsewhere. People will make up their own minds, the world is changing and most people are not bigots.

      • Charles Gormley

        This stationer is NOT entitled, by law, to refuse her services to anyone on the basis of her beliefs, if those beliefs conflict with the Equality Act. They clearly do. I have to confess to being astonished that you think it is OK that you were refused service because you are transgendered, but that is a matter for you, and you tolerance of this type of behaviour is not one i wish to see extended. I would be very unhappy at having my rights rejected in this way, and that is essentially what this is about. It isn’t about wedding invitations, or buying or requiring any other service in a capitalist society – it is about adherence to the law, and respecting basic rights. If businesses do not want to sell services or goods to gay people, or disabled people, or black people or anyone else who has characteristics protected by the equality act, they have no business being in business.

        • Benjie Watson

          Okay thank you guys. I was simply saying that her own religious beliefs make her feel uncomfortable endorsing what she may see as an un-Godly alliance, which although perfectly legal, isn’t necessarily acceptable to many people of certain faiths. I’m saying, we should accept this and move on peacefully, it’s also not right to condemn a woman for her beliefs here, so sorry but I’m on her side.

          • Bobbleobble

            I can’t agree. Her religious beliefs do not mean she gets to act however she likes and the protection for those beliefs ends once she causes harm to another person as a result. I’m not condemning her beliefs but rather the way she chooses to put them into practice.

          • Benjie Watson

            Surely she’s loosing business Bobbleobble (great name btw). I agree with you, but it’s also hard for me to take a stand against a person just because their religious beliefs clash with my own beliefs. We’re all different and there comes a time when we just have to agree to disagree. What good can come of taking a JW on here? Do you believe that JWs will suddenly all see the light and be happy to endorse gay marriage? No, it’s fundamentally not something they feel they can agree with, so we must not make them change. We must simply accept that we cannot change everyone and she’s not necessary causing harm, offense perhaps but it’s not harming exactly.

          • Bobbleobble

            Of course she’s causing harm, discrimination is harmful both to the individual concerned and to society. That’s why a law was passed making it illegal. I don’t care what her beliefs are or whether they change so long as she treats everyone in a professional and equal manner. After all I’d put money on it that she doesn’t refuse divorcees or anyone else that she might frown upon.

          • Benjie Watson

            Actually this is a very good point, I accept the law is there in this situation to possibly promote equality and I guess it could also be said that her actions go against what the government is trying to achieve on behalf of the general public. I’m tempted now you’ve said this to advise the couple to pursue the case in order to address the imbalance. I guess I’d only oppose doing that because I also feel that JWs and some other groups also in some way have a right to believe certain ‘truths’ without being forced to change the way the see things. However, because this is a business and it operates in a world of legalities, it is probably best to pursue a claim against them for discrimination. Hope I’ve been clear in my thinking, see I’ve changed my opinion too.

          • Bobbleobble

            Bear in mind too that no one is asking her to change her beliefs, just to act in a professional manner and treat everyone with respect and equality. As you say she’s operating a business and with that comes a duty to obey the laws that apply. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s as they say.

          • Benjie Watson

            Absolutely, she should be admonished for her treatment of this couple, purely because she is breaking a law designed to promote a more balanced society (albeit we have a very very long way to go yet).

          • Psychologist

            Benjie, unfortunately, you were also once “conditioned” into this belief system, and that impairs your ability to be OBJECTIVE to it (which is WHY they use that form of condition – to reduce your ability to challenge it) !
            However …. NO RELIGION or belief system is ABOVE the law (though many religions THINK they are, and constantly strive to be) they’re NOT !
            Why should ANY belief system believer, (which is merely a product of conditioning) be allowed to go against someone’s human rights, to be treated EQUALLY with the same respect ?
            Any belief system which support/encourages or facilitates that is WRONG ! Thus, so will the believers of it also be WRONG !

          • Psychologist

            You’re right .. that is EXACTLY the point .. she is CAUSING HARM to others, by discriminating against them.
            That is WHY the anti-discrimination laws are in place – to PROTECT vulnerable people from this form of abuse !

          • Carl

            Demanding your rights as a consumer has nothing to do with beliefs. Being LGBT is not a choice or a belief, as opposed to religion. Nobody is born being Christian or JW. If we aim to be respected we need to continue to demand our rights as citizens and human beings. Maybe then JWs will realise they have to respect the law eventhough they want to believe they are not part of this world.

          • Psychologist

            Well said … absolutely !

          • Isabella Botticelli

            @Benjie Watson, the point is, a business is there to serve, not to make moral judgements on their customers. It’s is clearly a discrimination practice. And I know, I was a Witness for 40 years, they are one of the most judgmental groups around.

          • Benjie Watson

            Sadly, Isabella, I agree because I was also a Witness when I was younger. Essentially I’m just saying that most businesses don’t operate like this and this particular decision wasn’t good for business and not typical of business decisions either. It’s an isolated incident of bigotry, basically. I’m new to forums, and I honestly don’t mean to upset anyone here.

          • Bobbleobble

            It’s good to have someone putting the other side of the debate and you do it very eloquently (thanks for the compliment about the name by the way!) things do often get heated in here but don’t feel bad about disagreeing!

          • Benjie Watson

            :) Thanks for your encouragement. I’m studying critical thinking and I guess I prefer to look at all the angles, even though I must admit my initial reaction to the article was to oppose the stationer’s decision strongly.

          • Psychologist

            Benjie – I understand you’re not trying to “upset anyone” as you say. Plus you say your new to forums such as this. So perhaps we need to take account of those things.
            let me approach this from another direction for you.

            As a psychotherapist, I’m often asked to help people with their psychological/emotional based issues. I see an over-representation from the gay community, compared to % of population, who as a direct result of such discrimination, bigotry and homophobia (largely from religions, and religious believers) who are suffering from disorders including depression, anxiety, self-harm to suicidal thoughts !
            Those disorders manifest themselves often into substance abuse and additions !

            These are the results of such bigotry and homophobic, discriminatory attitudes from such experiences as this.
            I can’t make this ANY clearer than this –

            THESE PEOPLE DISTROY PEOPLE’S LIVES
            !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Psychologist

            Benjie, each time I read one of your posts, I am astonished at your views !

            Let me be absolutely clear – NO ONE is saying that this woman is NOT allowed to hold her beliefs !

            What we ARE saying .. AND SO DOES UK LAW – is that she is NOT allowed to USE her beliefs to DISCRIMIATE against others – be it based on the colour of someone’s skin, someone’s disability, someone’s sexual orientation, or EVEN SOMEONE’S DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEF STSTEM, OR EVEN NON BELEIF !

            THAT IS THE LAW ! So your views are not ONLY morally wrong, they are NOT in accordance with UK anti-discrimination laws either !

            These laws apply to sale of “good and services” and employment legislation – in order to PROTECT people from such discrimination !

        • Psychologist

          Absolutely agree ! It IS really astonishing to hear Benjie collude so much with homophobic bigotry.
          He’s suffering greatly from “internalised Homophobia” clearly !

      • rapture

        ok uncle tom, you be a doormat for those who despise you, some of us have self worth.

        • Benjie Watson

          I just don’t do business with bigots. It’s not about being a doormat, Rapture; it’s about moving along the positive paths, avoiding the negatives.

          • Bobbleobble

            How do you know someone is bigoted until you try to do business with them and they turn you away?

          • Benjie Watson

            Yep, essentially I try to assume that people are okay; until proven incorrect. When I initially came out as trans, I used to expect the worst from people, and although it helped in some ways it hindered me in other ways. For example, if an old lady called me by the wrong pronoun in the past, I would react negatively, and feel possibly negative all day after, but I’ve found that people react better to you if you approach them with kindness and understanding. If an old lady or similar calls me say ‘young lady’, I won’t object, I may just laugh and say, it’s funny because I’m a guy, but I get that all the time and nearly every time they react very well, sometimes even apologizing. Some people just don’t know what’s going on and in the case of this businesswoman, she is making a mistake in mixing exclusionary beliefs in with her interactions with business clients.

          • rapture

            I can see from your comments, that you are a victim of this cult and thus evidently still unable to escape their abusive conditioning/brainwashing, so this is probable as your defensive, apologist stance regarding the bigot ad your lack of respect for the discriminated couple concerned. You fail with your concept of having to study critical thinking .

          • Benjie Watson

            Erm, with respect Rapture; I have reconsidered my original stance on this one and you have failed to notice this. I suppose this can happen with forums/readers comments. I accept your apology of course :P

          • Benjie Watson

            Also, I’m studying critical thinking, in order to address a gap in my own skill set. Comments like yours are enough to put anyone off bothering to learn. Please don’t be so judgmental in future, I felt hurt by your comments.

          • Psychologist

            But Benjie, the negatives are hard to avoid, when they’re presented to you all the time. We don’t rid ourselves of ANYTHING by AVOIDING it – we do that ONLY by CHALLENGING IT !

            Otherwise, the obstacles are still allowed to remain, for us or others to affect us negatively.

            You are guilty of “passively colluding with homophobia”.

        • Psychologist

          Yes, indeed – it’s called “Internalised Homophobia” and is all too common in some gay people !
          ie .. lay down and allow the homophobes to trample all over us ! This attitude is “internalised Homophobia” and seriously affects our self-esteem, and self-worth/self respect.

      • disqus_IPpDBClDs5

        This.

        If someone refuses to serve you, walk out, think them an arsehole and spend your money at a more open minded establishment.

      • Psychologist

        Benjie, you’re WRONG !

        There is a MASSIVE difference between someone being allowed to believe in whatever religion they wish – and USING those religious beliefs as a tool with which to somehow LEGITIMISE discrimination towards others !

        The first is acceptable .. the second is a criminal offence against UK equality and anti-discrimination laws !
        THEY MUST be held accountable under those laws ! The laws are in place TO PROTECT people from such bigotry and discrimination !

        There IS NO ARGUMENT to support otherwise !

        • Harry Kays

          Support Polygamous marriage then. You don’t hear any gays supporting that.

    • rapture

      It is not petty to expect as a taxpayer to be given the same equality as others, we are not 2nd class citizens a should have enough dignity to demand not to be treated as such.
      This Wilson person needs to be prosecuted for breaking the law and if she objects to enacting unlawful discrimination and being culpable for such nevebe in business or public service again.

      • Psychologist

        Exactly ! Agreed !

    • lee

      Its not petty if she refused because if they were Muslims, black or Jewish she would be before the courts -in fact she would NEVER had said that to them but thinks it Ok to refuse gays. She is running a business and should supply anyone, period.

  • David Jordan

    Does she refuse service to people who have received blood transfusions or does she just single out us?

    • Benjie Watson

      Well I guess it’s hard to tell if someone’s received blood transfusions., whereas in this case it’s easier to see that the couple is gay. She’s probably not singling gay people out necessarily. Of course it’s not right to do this at all, and I hope the couple are okay.

    • HRutledge

      Yes, and she refuses to make stationary for birth announcements if the parents aren’t legally married… you see, you have to fill out her JW moral character check sheets before she’ll work for you, & if you’ve committed one of the cult’s no-nos well then your out of luck, no stationary for you! I hope this bankrupts her. She obviously needs a serious wake-up call, a reality check.

  • Halou

    Wasn’t expecting those guys to make an appearance, but now that I think about it I can’t say that I’m surprised.

    I have some of these in my family, so I can say right now that Ms Wilson is going to stick to her position regardless of the law. That is how this group tends to go in situations like this, like all the others they believe that they are god’s chosen people so will as a rule put ‘god’s law’ above actual law. Small consolation though, they read John 18:36 almost, well, religiously, and are consequently apolitical. So unlike the other churches in the UK who all went rabid opposing gay marriage legislation, these guys did pretty much nothing.

  • Mark Y

    “So sorry to let you both down but I am a muslim and therefore can’t make christian infidels invitations.”

    “So sorry to let you both down but I am a nazi and therefore can’t make Jews invitations.”

    “So sorry to let you both down but I am a member of the BNP and therefore can’t make black people invitations.”

    “So sorry to let you both down but I vote UKIP and therefore can’t make immigrants invitations.”

    Does she not realise how bigoted she sounds? Embarrassing.

    • Benjie Watson

      Yes I agree with you Mark, she does sound bigoted, but it’s her choice here. If she feels uncomfortable she can turn down business. However, it’s very poor policy to have when in business in the commercial sector, when doing business with such a diverse public custom base. It is best in this case to go elsewhere, I’ll stress again: most businesses do not operate like this, I think we all can name many of our favourite businesses who are LGBT inclusive. They will prosper, they are forward thinking, the ones operating prejudice like this will lose business. But please let’s just move on, she’s made her point, we don’t agree; end of.

      • Charles Gormley

        She doesn’t SOUND bigoted, she IS bigoted; her business policy is not poor, it is illegal, and she can turn own as much business as she likes, as long as she is not refusing it on prohibited grounds. By emailing the couple informing them why she could not take their business she is obviously trying to make a point – we must counter that point. Behind her, and every other religious martyrs claim that we are trampling all over their religious rights are powerful religious organisations with an agenda and that agenda must be challenged whenever it seeks to be permitted to discriminate against us. You think commercial pressures alone will force her business to close. I wish i had your confidence, but it the commercial viability of her business is irrelevant as far as the Law is concerned. ALL businesses are required to operate in compliance with the equality act and she is not permitted to operate her business in this way.

        • Benjie Watson

          Yes, but some people also claim that there is a gay agenda too. I am not suggesting there is, but it’s worth seeing things from both sides. The issue though is less about individual groups’ rights in society and more about general acceptance and equality and as I’ve already suggested; discussing this matter here in this forum has helped me to see the benefit of pursuing this matter in court, in addressing a potential imbalance.

          • Roku

            Not really, the law’s the law. She’s broken it. For society to function a person cant decide not to follow the bits of the law they disagree with.

          • Psychologist

            Benjie – I am amazed at your initial comments ! I don’t see any evidence of gay people breaking any laws, yet there is clear evidence of a company blatantly breaking equality “anti-discrimination laws”. Just because gay people become understandably angry about being (yet again) discriminated against , on the grounds of someone’s religious belief system, does NOT imply a “gay agenda” (as some claim). What is DOES mean is that gay people are sick to death of being used, abused, and constantly discriminated against by religious believers (in the main) … and it needs to STOP. There are laws now to protect from such bigotry and discrimination, and they should be applied WHENEVER these laws are broken. That’s WHY the laws were introduced.

        • Psychologist

          Well said ! And quite correct !

      • patricklt

        Benjie – you are entirely wrong and misinformed. It’s not her right to make this choice: the law states this very clearly and there is sufficient case law in England now to back this up. If people – their sexuality is irrelevant – do not take a stand against this sort of prejudice then it will continue. Sadly, nothing was ever achieved by turning the other cheek except a second sore cheek.

        • Benjie Watson

          Oh Heavens, not again. I’m sorry PatrickIt, I’ve already clearly changed my original view later on in this discussion. Sorry you didn’t see this before you made your comment of my being misinformed. As you can see, I now feel both informed, thanks to everyone here on this discussion and wrong on my original view. You are absolutely right that nothing but a sore cheek has ever been achieved from turning said cheek. That we need to stand up and police these matters more robustly in order to challenge society’s prejudices. I hope that the very restrictive and exclusive views like this woman’s about gay marriage, die out soon, but as Christianity is over 2000 years old and still going strong, it’s highly unlikely that society will become more reasonable within our lifetime. I live in hope of some positive changes though.

          • patricklt

            Benjie, I am sorry – I tend to comment as I go and got called away after my initial response so have only just read how you have marvellously done what so few of the rest of us do – namely listen lol and then reconsider one’s position. I don’t want to patronise you but do have to say that your response is enlightening, encouraging and says much about you as a person. These issues are always very difficult as noone wants to deny others the right to hold deeply held personal beliefs. However, the dividing line between acting as the thought police and standing up to things which are more about being wrong in the eyes of the law rather than meeting the need to express one’s own beliefs is a difficult one. I as much as many other have fallen foul of it from time to time. I’m a great believer in leaving each to their own God (or belief, which may be nothing more than human dignity and love) – so long as you don’t, in deeds or words, try and force this upon another. All best wishes, Patrick x

          • Benjie Watson

            Thanks babe ;) Okay I was going to say dude and act all masculine, but for some reason I felt it wasn’t right because the truth is that when I read your last post your words hit my feminine side pretty strongly and it was that which reacted, not my preferred gender if this makes any sense. Confused? Welcome to my world hehe. I wish there were more open minded men like you out there Patrick. I also totally get where you’re coming from about the dividing line and legal rights verses personal freedoms. Sometimes I am fully prepared to tell the world that religious beliefs are outdated, stating all the negatives and many may feel that I’m right in some ways, but I find I can’t do this because I don’t want to invade upon the individual’s right to believe what they believe. I think that acting upon certain beliefs in such a way that impacts negatively on certain groups of people, for example gay couples or individuals is wrong, but then, these beliefs that a certain thing or whatever is important to the people who believe that stuff. I don’t really know if I believe in God, myself, but to these people their god has told them that this is something to oppose and by making a stand they are being true to their beliefs, perhaps they feel that God is on their side. It’s complex. Ideally we wouldn’t be so superstitious, because of the obvious harm that it can cause. I think in this respect the LGBT community, in taking action to oppose and attempt to police these things, is acting in the more responsible and more progressive manner. But, at the same time, I cannot escape the massive pang of guilt that we are also judging someone else’s beliefs as less valid. Aghhh it’s a nightmare. x

    • Isabella Botticelli

      @Mark Y – exactly!!

    • violets49

      ‘So sorry to let you down but I am a Christian and therefore can’t make Jehovah’s witnesses invitations.’
      (I am informed by my friend, a BD and Pentecostal Pastor, that the witnesses are NOT Christians )
      As far as I’m concerned there is no clause in the Law allowing someone to discriminate against somebody because of religious beliefs.

      • Jim

        Your Pentecostal Pastor friend doesn’t know what he is talking about. JWs are most definitely Christian and adhere very closely to Bible standards. If you do some unbiased research, you will find that they are basically the only Christian sect that does.

        • HRutledge

          No Jim, you are sadly mistaken, they are not. Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah’s Witness organization
          distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. This alone makes it non-Christian. To support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah’s Witness theology), has even altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings. Cheers!

          • Harry Kays

            I Corinthians states in ALL versions/translations of the Bible you could possibly read that “the Head of Christ is God”. We don’t deny the deity of Christ he simply is not The Almighty Diety who Christ must obey. Why? Because he has a “head” or Authority over him he must answer to. That Almighty God is only Jehovah. Jesus is never referred to as the Almighty. So much for your alteration idea LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

  • gingerlycolors

    If you are not prepared to abide by the law and offer your services without prejudice, then don’t go into business. Simples!

    • Benjie Watson

      I didn’t mean to upset anyone here, so please accept my apology if you do feel that by not condemning this lady’s actions, I’m in some way against gay equality or something :) Yes, Gingerlycolors, you make a good point and it’s what I’ve been trying to convey here; that businesses that act with prejudice will not function as businesses very effectively. Let’s remember that only the bigoted minority end up in articles here on this site and thankfully there are loads of great businesses out there who are very accepting and welcoming.

  • Isabella Botticelli

    A business is a business! An couple, who ever they are, do not need the blessings of a business to get married or to request an ordinary service! Everybody’s money is the same. If the Jehovah’s Witnesses won’t serve people who don’t share their beliefs – then do something else for a living!

    • Benjie Watson

      Definitely sis! I’m going to leave this post now because I’m studying, but before I do I just want to congratulate the couple in question and wish them every success and happiness for their special day and the years to come.

  • Rickster Rickster

    quite frankly I wouldn’t want a bloody jehova witness doing ANYTHING for me. in a world full of half assed religions theirs is one of the bigger frauds

    • Benjie Watson

      With respect, Rickster Rickster, I think this is a little harsh. The stationer is a JW and she has chosen to discriminate against this couple; but we should avoid judging all JWs on this lady’s actions.

      • Rickster Rickster

        it’s a religion somebody pulled out of their *ss. it’s a fraud just like all religions are frauds but it is a modern one like Mormonism, 7th day Adventists and scientology. may they darken your door on a daily basis.

    • violets49

      Agreed, Rickster. A nasty bunch indeed.

  • Frozen Willow

    If people who run businesses are not going to conform with the equality act, then I take the side of the gay couple here. The business should cease to trade then if they are not willing to cater for everyone regardless of sex, religion, race, colour or sexual orientation as said in the equality act. What about this lovely couples human rights ? I’m not gay, but I do advocate for human rights. The Customer is always right. Cease to trade foul business, plus, you don’t need that money anyway, you won’t have any use for it in the new system ;)

  • Gary

    I am one half of the couple involved and I have to say thank you for all your supportive comments with this matter. It has taken us by surprise the amount of coverage this has got we have to admit. We just wanted to notify people that there is a company out there not willing to provide services to the gay community.

    I have to say though that I am not asking the lady to change her religious beliefs, I fully respect her choice of her religion and I have never questioned that. What I do question is that she has made this company public and open to the general public so therefore EVERY member of the public should be able to use it.

    Just so you all are aware that in every email after this to other companies I always wrote at the end ‘just so that you are aware we are a gay couple so I hope that this does not affect us using your service’ – now I don’t think I should feel I have to do that when using public services yet after this incident (because I didn’t think it would happen) I have become a lot more conscious of who I am asking.

    Once again, we thank you all for your support.

    • Psychologist

      Hi Gary – first of all, you should NOT have had to have gone through this blatant discrimination. Actions against gay people, such as this, can cause a great deal of pain and low self-esteem, as well as loss of self-confidence and also affects self-respect too. I have empathy for what you must have felt at this rejection of your custom, simply based on your sexual orientation.

      Here’s the principle:- People are of course allowed to have beliefs, and free to choose whatever belief system they wish to. That is NOT in question. However, when they use those beliefs to legitimise DISCRIMINATION to others, then that’s when they have crossed the line, in terms of MORALITY, AND broken the EQUALITY anti-discrimination laws in UK.

      This company must be held accountable under those laws, and if you haven’t yet already done so, this must be reported to the police, as this IS a criminal offence, and you may also wish to see a solicitor to pursue a civil case of damages for financial compensation too. This needs to be done for yourselves, but also to demonstrate to others who would do the same, that they gay community will NOT be discriminated against, and that we now have equality and anti-discrimination laws in place to protect us from such discrimination.

      Good luck, and I hope your wedding event goes well.

      • clive

        Completely agree, Psychologist

  • Anthony Maxwell

    When she refused the couple service based on their sexuality. She broke the law. Simple.

  • HellOnHighHeels

    Her beliefs here are irrelevant, it’s just bigotry plain and simple.

    • Psychologist

      Yes, I agree ! People can BELIEVE what they want. However, the moment they start to USE those beliefs as some sort of legitimiser to DISCRIMATE against others, is when they’ve crossed the line of both morality AND the anti-discrimination laws.
      They should be prosecuted under those laws, without question !

      • Harry Kays

        Whats next? The bible forbids homosexuality. So you are against that Bible principle? Then if thats the case why stop there? Allow Polygamy if someone wants to marry two women. If a 12 year old wants to marry a 60 year old man why would you stop that marriage if Bible principles mean nothing. Polygamy used to be very common only a few centuries ago.

  • Chris in LA

    If I know someone is a member of a religious or political group I disapprove of, I do not use their services. I would steer clear of people like this and recommend my friends do the same.

  • Brightonbear

    I was brought up as a Witness, I stuck around untill I was 26 so I have a pretty good insight into this.

    What this witness has done is wrong from her religious point of view. Witness are taught not to hate homosexuals but to hate the sin, the sin being the homosexual act. In discriminating against gay people she’s actually hating the sinner and not the sin.

    She could actually be reproved by her elders for doing that.

    Secondly and equally important. Witnesses will go out of their way to avoid bringing “reproach upon the name of Jehovah” They will remove members of their congregations and even cut off family members if those people give witnesses a bad name (And are unrepentant for it)

    This witness has done both things and will probably be bollocked by her elders for it.

  • clive

    I have written to the company from the point of view of a mental health worker who knows well the cumulative effect of even small acts of discrimination such as this which, inevitably, make us feel we are still not G(ood) A(s) Y(ou) and contribute to much higher rates of depression, self-harm, suicidality etc. (I’m also an ex JW)

    • Psychologist

      Well done Clive – ! I’ll do exactly the same. Inspired – thank you !

  • Gabriela Dzurbanova

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

    • Psychologist

      Looking at the long list of people you claim will not be allowed into “god’s kingdom” – it really doesn’t look much fun anyway, and I doubt if there would be ANYONE there, other than a few people like you ! NO THANKS !

      Having said that … no, you and “your kind” won’t be allowed in either – as you claim “greedy people” won’t be allowed in either ! It displays the height od greed to retain privileges and equality for ONE’S SELF – but DENY those human rights to others! That’s greedy, selfish, and discriminatory.

      Read in that silly book about what it says about people like YOU, who indulge in THAT behaviour !

      It’s quite amazing how you fools “pick and choose” sections of the bible to quote from when it suits you, in attempt to give an air of legitimacy to YOUR OWN BIGOTRY and homophobia !

      Eating shellfish is also considered a sin according to Leviticus, so is wearing clothing from different fabrics – yet I’ll bet you’ve eaten sea food, and I’m definitely sure you wear clothes made from multiple fabrics ! YOU’RE therefore a SINNER TOO ! HYPOCRIT !!!!!!!

      Hypocrisy ! As well as USING religious beliefs to attempt to legitimise your OWN bigotry and homophobia !

      • Harry Kays

        The restrictions of Mosaic Law (certain foods not allowed to be eaten because they could not be kept easily clean in that time)which you refer to only applied to Hebrews in the nation of Israel.The Mosaic Law died when Christ gave his life. Why would you think that law applied today? How many articles can you site of Jehovahs Witnesses being told not to eat shrimp,pork or other foods? There is no evidence that law was applied among Christians in the First Century.

  • Gabriela Dzurbanova

    9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

    • Psychologist

      You’re deluded, and in need of serious help! ..
      You say ….” unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom”….? THERE IS NO “GOD’S KINGDOM” (and NO GOD) … oh and Santa Clause doesn’t really exist either .. ! Sorry to disappoint you with truth !

      You quote all this rubbish – obviously as a result of not being able to think for YOURSELF !

      Religion is VERY DISEMPOWERING – it’s clearly had a terrible effect on YOU !

  • Psychologist

    Anyone discriminating in this way, using some religious belief in order to somehow “legitimise” that discrimination – has something WRONG with them !

    The belief system (whatever religion that may be) which supports, facilitates or encourages that discrimination, ALSO has something fundamentally WRONG with it too !

  • Generic name

    Pick a different stationer? I appreciate the need to challenge such views, but would it not have been better to write back and quote something about love and acceptance of others, as preached by the Bible?

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