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Former Republican politician: Gay sex is not sexual activity at all

  • @Mike-uk2011

    Oh look, another expert on gay sex. A guy who claims to have never had gay sex, telling people who do have gay sex, what gay sex is.
    It’s about as persuasive of an argument as a (celibate) Catholic priest’s views on sexual relationships.
    Stick to what you know, and pull your zipper up, your ignorance is showing.

    • Mojo

      You dont have to have it to know how disgusting unhealthy and abnormal it it.

      • stephen brown

        not to mention some acts that heterosexuals get up to which beggar belief .. the world will only be a peace ful place when there is respect for all human Beings and not a selective few individuals

        • Mojo

          Respect all human beings, agree. respect and endorse unhealthy & disgusting behaviour, no way.

          • Rumbelow

            We find manifestations of homophobia like yours to be unhealthy & disgusting behaviour Mojo.

          • Steven Gregory

            Hang out on gay news sites for hours: Mojo’s obsession.

          • Mark Y

            Mojo, you have real issues about homoexuality – looking at your other comments, I suspect it’s from the islamic brainwashing that you’ve had to endure. Just remember, your prophet was a pedophile – best not to judge us when the man, who you think is above every other man, had sex with children.

            btw, there is nothing unhealthy about being gay, and there is nothing disgusting about one man loving another man.

            also, you do not respect all human beings, if you think you do, you are lying to yourself – it’s a common trait of religiously brainwashed slaves.

          • Mojo

            LOOL, marrying at the age 10 or 11 was common 1400 years ago even in Europe, people reached pupirty age very early you scum, my judgement is based on facts of how sodomy is unhealthy and nasty, do a research before you show your ignorance

          • Bruce Fontaine

            If sodomy is unhealthy and nasty we had better tell all those unhealthy and nasty straight couples before they “do it” on their honeymoon.

          • Calamity_Jean

            You are mistaken; the facts are exactly opposite. Because of more plentiful food nowadays, children reach puberty at younger ages. In the Middle Ages, puberty was often at age 16 or even later. Children then were forced into arranged marriages before puberty.

          • Bruce Fontaine

            What’s really disgusting behaviour is your ignornant education on what makes unhealthy and disgusting behaviour. I guess you don’t respect more than half of the straight lifestyle.

        • Rumbelow

          Yeah, let’s scour the internet for the most disgusting and low things heterosexuals get up to sexually and then accuse them all of doing same, it wouldn’t look good.
          Luckily I’m personally neither interested nor obsessed enough to want to do it, and I don’t want to discriminate against heterosexuals so I have no motive to do it either.

      • Rehan

        Gets you hot under the collar (and elsewhere, no doubt) enough to comment on it though, doesn’t it?

      • Gareth

        I bet you love it really. Grrrr

        • Steven Gregory

          Looks like they’re about to NOT have sex…

      • Steven Gregory

        You’re hilarious.

      • Rumbelow

        Why you getting so aroused about homosexuality Mojo?

  • ^GAY-Π.Α.Ο.Κ^Dark Horse^28^

    WTF i just read man….Just because we are unable to make babies that means it can’t be defined as sexual activity..?? And we do get lot pleasure from it…
    They keep saying all kind of pure nonsense about us…When they will stop…?

  • Paul

    So he would say the same, presumably, about post-menopausal or infertile opposite gender relationships then; or equally where contraception is used. Of course he would be in no way hypocritical…

  • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

    Didn’t Clinton use a similar excuse?

  • Robert Danielzik

    I had a vasectomy, therefore whenever I make love with my wife there is no chance of procreation either. Does that mean we don’t have a sexual activity? Does it count as “Coitus interruptus Vas sniptus?”
    Or should I say: Alan Keys’ thoughts are no brain activity at all?

    • Calamity_Jean

      The latter is absolutely true. The former, not so much.

  • Bonnie Raymond

    Interesting that one of the tribe of science deniers has chosen the biological definition of sex as his platform.
    Does he also claim that relationships including postmenopausal women are asexual?

    • Steven Gregory

      It’s interesting how conservatives who aim to insult gays and lesbians end up slamming heterosexuals who are infertile, beyond childbearing, not having children by choice. Similar to the way the one man/one woman arguments against equal marriage and mom/dad postulations against adoption by gay parents insult single parents.

  • Alax

    Oh well if thats true, gay sex can’t be a sin after all. It’s not sex before marriage if it’s not sex. Nice out. Some people are so stupid why would you publish something so blindly obviously naive and dumb? Got nothing better to do then try troll so could Christians and gay people?

    • Steven Gregory

      Maybe that could be my recruiting line: “Hey Christians, wanna get off without actually having sex?”

      • Rumbelow

        “I did not have sexual relations with that man”

        • Steven Gregory

          …three times!

  • Melinda Hailey

    He said that hetero sex makes two people one because of the baby they produce. I have news for him, I am NOT one with the violent asshat that got me pregnant. But every time I make love to my wife I cannot tell where she ends and I begin. We ARE one, in every sense of the word when it comes to sex and marriage. But hey, if he wants to say she and I are not having sex then he should GET THE F**K OUT OF MY BEDROOM!

    • Steven Gregory

      Republicans love to drone on and on about “Smaller Government.”
      What they really mean is government so tiny it will fit into the uterus of every woman and up the anus of every gay man.

      • Gareth

        Haha! Government so small that they’ve got nothing else to do but think about everyone’s sex lives. I mean seriously, I know he’s a “former” politician but he needs to get a hobby now.

  • Mancs Guy

    So I’m a still a virgin!! So sweet & innocent!

  • Raymond G. Whitham

    OK, sorry I am not as sexually knowledgeable as you Alan Keyes. Would you care to demonstrate what REAL sex is?

    • Steven Gregory

      Please don’t ask the cripple to tap dance.

      • TomSatsuma

        Many people find that term offensive.

        • Steven Gregory

          TomSatsuma has chosen me as today’s victim of his idiocy. Get off my leg little dog.

          • TomSatsuma

            So mature.

            I just know people who are as upset by ‘cripple’ as we are ‘faggot’.

            I know black people who are sick of having their race be the first thing people comment about them, as we are about our sexuality.

            You are all over this site like a rash – but your comments are unnecessarily aggressive and childish.

          • Steven Gregory

            Stop being imperious. This isn’t YOUR site and I don’t need you to obsess over me. You obviously can’t disagree without losing your head up your ass.

          • TomSatsuma

            Wow… you honestly can’t see any irony in saying “This isn’t YOUR site” or “You obviously can’t disagree without losing your head up your ass”?

          • Steven Gregory

            Please leave me alone, ass hole.

      • Stephen Brown

        thank you

  • Raymond G. Whitham

    Some people think that any publicity makes them relavent – especially when they are repeat losers.

  • Steven Gregory

    Alan Keyes: Keeping alive the stereotype of “Stupid, small-minded, Black conservatives.” Stereotypes exist for a reason!

    • TomSatsuma

      The amount of racism on these pages is appalling.

      Go through every article featuring a black person and look at the comments – their race is mentioned EVERY TIME without fail. How is it relevant?

      You’d think gay people would know better.

      • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

        Seconded. Spot on.

      • Mark Y

        I agree Steven’s comment does sound racist, I’m sure he’s not…… but,

        In the prop 8 vote, exit polls showed that 70% of black people were anti-gay voters, 53% of latinos, 46% of white people. Therefore black people can be seen to be more homophobic. Sorry, but that’s just what happened.

        If an exit poll showed that 70% of gay men voted against equal rights in a vote for, let’s say Women’s equality, then it would be relevant to mention that a politician was gay if he was being misogynistic.

        If an exit poll showed that 70% of christians voted against equal rights in a vote for, let’s say gay rights, then it would be relevant to mention that a politician was christian if he were being homophobic – which quite rightly happens every day on pink news – and I’ve never seen you complain about that.

        • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

          Still no excuse; stereotypes are at best lazy and at their worst dangerous. I don’t wish to be labelled and stereotyped to portray me as somebody that I am not. Stereotypes are invariably negative. Those folk interested in advocating equality will do well to avoid them.

          • Steven Gregory

            Stereotypes are not always negative, but they can be if that is how you want to see the world. Don’t rise too far above categorization, because you do it, too. When you see people of a certain clothing or grooming behaving in such a manner, your mind associates them with… hold on… a stereotype. Unless you’re such a fantastic saint (or liar) you’ll claim that isn’t possible.

          • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

            I’m neither saint nor liar. The stereotype that you pointed up is very much a negative one, this can only lead to the effect of reinforcing it. You already know that negative stereotypes are the language so often used by haters. I only know you slightly through these pages but I think I know you better than to be a hater. When the bigots attack they intend to cause hurt. My opinion (for it is only that) is that if you allow your hurt to show you indicate that the bigots are winning and they will persist. Using their language and tactics in reply serves little purpose other than you’ve externalized your feelings.

            You are right, I am the product of the indoctrination of the cruelty of growing up in the same world that you did. Every now and again I catch myself with a negative thought caused by a person’s appearance etc. Thankfully the rational part of me kicks in and overwrites the old taught prejudicial views. For example, I don’t understand why people some folk like to have their face tattooed ~ I don’t happen to find it attractive but I try to ensure that I blot that from my thoughts and interact with them as if I’m not seeing it.

            I’m neither the thought police or the voice of your conscience Steven; but I will ask you to consider the points please.

          • Steven Gregory

            Thanks for explaining.

            I have listened to Keyes’ rants for nearly a decade now. He constantly trades on his ethnicity and relies upon a gullible, homophobic contingent of Black voters to join him against pro-gay liberals, even though conservatives are as anti-Black as they’ve been since the 1960s. There seems to be new permission, buoyed by self-loathing Blacks like Keyes. He is nothing but a pawn for the right wing.

            If I had pointed out that Keyes fulfilles the “worst stereotypes” of Black men, without listing what they are, would that have been less offensive? I thought it was important to be clear as to which stereotypes I was referring.

            Thank you for taking into account a larger scope of my comments, I truly do appreciate it.

          • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

            Steven ~ thank you for your thoughtful response.

            I have no great in depth knowledge of what I’m about to say; if I make mistakes or cause offence my apologies go to any readers in advance.

            White men visited Black countries as missionaries to teach them christianity, western morals and codes of conduct.

            They used indoctrination techniques based on fear which have may not just perpetuated over time but may actually have increased in intensity. Religious teaching continues with these practices still every day.

            I respect any person’s right to follow their religious belief and their freedom to express it. Given the opportunity I will challenge the indoctrination of children to these ends, irrespective of the colour of their skin, country of origin etc.

            I am a calm atheist and I believe that the teachings of those missionaries was tantamount to the highest degree of abuse. I almost feel like I should apologise for them but, of course, I am no position to do so.

            I feel that what folk are receiving in bigotry now is payback of a kind for what has gone before.

            In the case of those early missionaries, it wasn’t the colour of their skin that caused them to commit those abuses no more than today it is the colour of the skin that causes a person to hold a view that we feel is bigoted.

            I know this view does not / will not make me popular with those who hold a deep religious view. They should know I still respect them and wish them to live their lives with dignity. My hope is they will do the same for others.

          • Steven Gregory

            Being “color blind” has great importance in many situations — justice, equal opportunity — but not all. The documentary THE NEW BLACK examines homophobia through the eyes of Black Americans in churches, professional and working class circles, and records problems Black Americans consider specific to the many subsets that comprise their community: http://www.newblackfilm.com/ It is often on YouTube, posted by the filmmakers, but inexplicably gets pulled down. Keep trying, it will reappear.

          • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

            I’m a white woman in the UK. I’m never going to be able to understand black cultural society and politics at arms length.

            I’m going to accept that much of what you say is correct ~ at least for the moment. I’m not convinced that it is absolutely necessary to say black unless you go on to say, fr example, that Keyes as a black American is exploiting his influence in black American culture to pursue a homophobic agenda. That I can see would make sense.

            Putting that to one side though, I think you can agree how it may look using stereotypes in one-liners, especially where there is an audience that don’t fully know you, and aren’t in a position to judge what you know and what you stand for.
            I just ask you to think about being a little more careful.

            I’ve learnt some interesting stuff from you here so thank you for that.

          • Mark Y

            Monica. The fact that the majority, 70% of African Americans voted against gay equality in prop 8 is not a stereotype. I’m not painting stereotypes. I’m telling you the fact that the majority of African Americans are homophobic. That isn’t my fault, that’s just the way it is. I’ve also never seen you lambasting the stereotypes of homophobic christians on pink news either – quite rightly so, as the majority of American christians are also homophobic. I dare you to try it on the next ‘christian is homophobic’ story. Go on, tell everyone how bad it is to stereotype all christians.

          • Bonnie Raymond

            Perhaps you should say that the majority of African Americans WHO VOTED on prop 8 voted against it.
            Way too many people don’t get counted because they don’t cast a ballot.

        • TomSatsuma

          “In the prop 8 vote, exit polls showed that 70% of black people were
          anti-gay voters, 53% of latinos, 46% of white people. Therefore black
          people can be seen to be more homophobic.”

          Even the gay ones? No matter what tendencies a certain GROUP might display, as an individual this man’s race is totally irrelevant. That’s not how statistics work, it’s how generalisations and stereotypes work. It’s basically how racism works.

          The difference with religion is that it’s an ideology.

          Seriously though – find me a Pink News article about a black person where their race is not mentioned in the comments.

          It’s really really disappointing.

          • Steven Gregory

            Keyes ethnicity is absolutely relevant and politically he trades heavily on it. Either you know little about American politics or you haven’t been paying attention.

          • TomSatsuma

            How is it relevant? ‘black man does homophobic thing” = “black people are homophobic”?

            Why is it that a black person cannot be mentioned in these pages without their race becoming a big part of the discussion.

            All it does is show that you see the ‘black’ before you see the ‘person’.

            I see plenty of white homophobes on here who manage to go without having their race mentioned… and despite plenty of questionable gendered insults most women don’t have their homophobia blamed on the fact that they are female.

            Why not try to see more than just his race?

          • Steven Gregory

            Now you’re making up crap and trying to attribute it to me.
            Keyes in public addresses and campaign stumps uses his Blackness as an advantage and a cudgel. Do your own research and stop being ignorant.
            You have a problem and I’m not it.

          • Mark Y

            No Tom, it isn’t black man says homophobic thing = black people are homophobic.

            It’s 70% of African Americans voted against gay equality in prop 8 = the majority of African Americans are homophobic.

            I wish they hadn’t voted that way, in which case, prop 8 would never have got through, but they did, and it did. I’m sorry that the majority of African Americans aren’t the way you want them to be at the moment – I’m sure that they’ll see sense eventually. But until then you can’t bury your head in the sand and think that it’s racist to say that the majority of African Americans are homophobic – they just are – and that leads to sterotypes. Things will change, just like the majority of white Americans used to be racist, now they are not. But that’s only the case because we could say the majority of white Americans were racist. And therefore it could change.

          • TomSatsuma

            I’m just wary of taking a fact like the majority of X people are Y and applying it to individuals. Of course it increases the chances of an individual X person being Y – but when you are then essentially doing is judging that person based on the fact that they are X.

            It’s fair enough to discuss those kind of trends when talking about groups. I just find it problematic when discussing individuals.

          • Bonnie Raymond

            If a person stands up and says, “I am a Black leader and I hate gays,” it is not accurate reporting to leave out the race part.
            Keyes always trades on his race. It’s one of the things I find most annoying about him.

          • Mark Y

            Tom – There are lots of pink news comments about homophobes who happen to be black where their race is not mentioned. Just search yourself and don’t expect me to search and then paste in links for you – there was one yesterday btw.

            And nothing is irrelevant. His race is not irrelevant, no more than a KKK members ‘whiteness’ is irrelevant. White people are told all the time they are racist, black people make that generalisation – films are made about it – hip hop is built on that generalisation – have you never listened to a tu-pac song – and they were right to because white people once upon a time where generally racist. So, I’m not making generalisations – I’m just telling you that the majority of black people in prop 8 voted against gay rights. Therefore the majority of black people are homophobic. It’s not my fault, that’s just the way it is. The black community in America need to address their homophobia, and how can they do that if no one can point out that the majority of black people are homophobic.

            And as the figures for prop 8 showed that different racial groups voted quite separately, then it does matter and generalisations should be made.

            You also mention the difference is with ideology – as if the black community don’t have their own ideology – their own identity. Every racial group has their own belief system.

            I also have never seen you lambasting anyone for making generalisations about russians. Obviously not all russians are homophobic, but the majority are, just like african-americans.

          • Bonnie Raymond

            Any time you get a rabble-rouser agitating about an “issue,” you get a skewed vote, because those most reactive will be most likely to go to the polls.
            Look at right wing politics all around the world today.

      • Steven Gregory

        The stereotype exists, I did not create it. Keyes fulfills every negative aspect of it. If you think it is racist, then you’re simply looking for offense.

        • TomSatsuma

          “The stereotype exists, I did not create it.”

          Moronic response. You used it.

          His race is irrelevant.

          • Rumbelow

            “His race is irrelevant.”
            Now that’s a racist comment.

          • Steven Gregory

            You’re actually right. The term should be “ethnicity,” because “human” is one race… unless he’s an extraterrestrial.

          • TomSatsuma

            Weird world I’ve entered.

          • Steven Gregory

            You keep writing “His race is irrelevant.”
            What do you know about Alan Keyes? Do you know that “his race” is one of his major talking points? He routinely rallies BLACK voters to stand up for traditional BLACK values (anti-gay). He called Obama “not BLACK enough” on more than one occasion.

      • Halou

        I think what he’s trying to get at is that people like Alan Keyes who were very much alive to see and suffer some of the most vile abuse and bigotry in America’s history, they seem way too eager to act in the same way towards others, going so far as to use the exact same tropes that were used in the 1960s.

        • TomSatsuma

          I don’t think that’s what he’s saying. But even so – his race is totally irrelevant. Holding black people up to higher standards and saying they should know better is unfair.

          • Steven Gregory

            And what is wrong with holding people to the SAME STANDARDS?

          • Steven Gregory

            Obviously “you don’t think.”
            You could ASK what I’m saying, but you choose to ASSume and then lose your head about it.

      • Rumbelow

        I dunno, totally ignoring a persons race can be seen as racist in a way too. Sometimes when we see someone is black and a homophobe it is sort of relevant to the story.

  • Christopher in Canada

    Now he should talk about how many women have faked it with him, and whether or not THAT constitutes “sex”.

  • monica

    No,no, it’s fine. He’s saying that within a relationship gay folk make love whilst straight folk merely have sex. Let’s just call ‘straights’ ~ ‘breeders’ from now on. Let him go and argue those points in Uganda, Brunei and Russia.

    • Steven Gregory

      There is an important parallel to the “procreation” baloney from conservatives.
      In Nazi Germany, Paragraph 175 criminalized homosexuality in men because they did not fulfill their duty to build the master race. Lesbianism was not criminalized because homosexual women could be forced to bear children.

      • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

        Apologies, perhaps I was being too flippant about an important issue.; but I do have some trouble taking his view seriously.
        Without wishing to sound patronising, I am impressed with the depth of your knowledge about this

        • Steven Gregory

          My comment was meant as an agreement. No apologies needed. Thanks for the props.

          Years ago I watched an interview between Bill Moyers and the Prop 8 attorneys — both non-gay. Regarding the baby-making issue he said, “Marriage has never been predicated upon the desire or ability to procreate.”

          One of the shirts I loved from Gay Pride: “Why is marriage ‘sacred’ only when gays and lesbians want it?”

          I hope you’re going to have as lovely a day as we’re having in Denver!

          • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

            I’d like one of those T shirts. Haven’t seen them here.

          • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

            Denver eh? … know any places to get a good wedding cake? (wink)

          • Steven Gregory

            I do! I do!

            BTW: Do you have an email (not your primary address) where I can send art so you can have an iron-on made at a copy shop for your own version of the Sacred Marriage shirt I mentioned? I’m one of “those” graphic designer homosexuals.

          • https://www.facebook.com/monica.cassidy.3 monica

            Thanks Steven … that would be fantastic. my primary email address is sitting in your facebook messages.
            Thanks again

  • Adrian

    Well someone is in denial. So does that mean that when hes off having sex with men (hyperthetically, cough, cough, wink, wink), he’s not cheating on his wife because its not real sex.

  • Jock S.Trap

    Seriously? And clearly when they can’t think of anything else but what Gay people do sexually. Then the hypocrites wanna talk about morals.

    • Steven Gregory

      Many conservatards think about our sex, obsess, create details and practices I’ve never attempted, and then talk about it into microphones and accuse ME of shoving my agenda down their throats.

  • Kaz

    It’s his lesbian daughter I feel sorry for, imagine having that tool for a dad!

    • Steven Gregory

      There have been so many conservatives who changed their tune about equal rights and equal marriage after their kids came out to them, it makes Keyes even more reprehensible that he is unable to consider her when delivering his tirades.

  • JD

    What else can we expect from a bigoted, neanderthal like this dumb ass! Pathetic that someone this moronic can run for president of the single greatest backward nation on earth!

    • Steven Gregory

      We’re not quite the most backward on Earth, but we are trending in that direction. I do agree with you that Keyes is hugely bigoted — he is even credited with first blowing the horn that Obama wasn’t “Black enough.” Something is always wrong with “Black liberals” — his self loathing and racism AGAINST Blacks is mind-boggling.

  • Rehan

    This fellow is certainly one tuning peg short of a guitar (to use his own, erm, highly-strung simile).

  • Halou

    Well if gay sex isn’t really sex, all those self-hating homophobes who were pressured into marrying women get to quite legally bonk off with other guys. Oh, how convenient for them.

    • Steven Gregory

      Love your comment and love the term “bonk off.” First time I’ve read it, but certainly not the last time I’ll use it.

  • Gruffling

    Oh so every gay person will forever be a pure and innocent virgin. Guess we’re all going to heaven after all.

    • Steven Gregory

      I can be like Jesus: 12 boyfriends and new as a flower.

  • Steve Cheney

    So does this mean he won’t mind if we do it in front of his kids?

  • Psychologist

    He claims … “Gay sex is not sexual activity….. ” ?
    Talk about DENIAL !

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