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UKIP’s Roger Helmer re-elected as MEP despite homophobia row

  • Sparkyu1

    Just goes to show how much UKIP voters agree with his vile bigotry. Its pretty depressing really and shows we’ve got so far to go before we have equality and safety

    • That There Other David

      I don’t think most UKIP voters this time round even know who Roger Helmer is, let alone his views on discrimination. They’re mostly voting to give the main three parties a kicking.

      And even if anti-gay discrimination was the motivation UKIP only got support from 10% of the UK electorate. That’s a lower number than the percentage we know are vehemently against us.

      • Truth

        Sadly, it was exactly the same type of ignorance and apathy which allowed Hitler to come to power. It’s a bit late to complain about how radical a party is once you’ve allowed it to come to power ……

        • Halou

          I hear rumor that turnout in Belgium and Luxembourg was over 90% because they have laws that more or less make voting compulsory. We should have similar measures in this country so that extremist parties like UKIP do not get a higher share of the vote as a consequence of historically low turnouts.

  • http://twitter.com/lievenlohtar lohtar

    I find this pretty scary. Though I guess in light of this specific election many people have voted UKIP more for their stance on Europe than other matters, it at least does show many people could care less about our rights, dignity and well-being (or people are too lazy to truly inform themselves about the party they vote for which is equally scary, really).

    Even though on a legal level we make great progress in the western world, albeit way too late, the current global trend is that the voices against us get louder, more obnoxious and extremely vile; also causing violence to be on the rise. Not sure whether I feel more comfortable now or a few years ago.

    Seriously, how much is it to ask that we are just respected and able to live our lives in dignity and equality on all levels? Everywhere.

    So bloody done with this.

  • Daniel

    It’s truly frightening what the UK has just done, in supporting a party that would remove rights from the majority. It merely steps up my timetable to leave the country once and for all.

    • http://twitter.com/lievenlohtar lohtar

      But where do you go? I’ve lived and/or worked in several countries in western/northern Europe and you see similar trends everywhere. The UK is considered one of the best places (if not the best) for queer folk to live here in Europe (and also a good place for many other minority groups).

      On a global scale I guess only Canada and New Zealand measure up, but no matter where you go you have many people working actively against us and as long as we keep respecting religious views the way we do now this won’t change (as that’s where we find legally permissible homophobia).

      • Daniel

        I hear your point, but I was referring to wider rights than just LGBT. If one were to read the policies (the few that exist) of the current “protest” party, they plan to strip many rights across the board, affecting LGBT, the disabled, the poor, and the general population by removing employment rights, increasing taxation, privatising the NHS, removing the HRA. A truly frightening party.

        • http://twitter.com/lievenlohtar lohtar

          I hear you. I’ve researched both Europe and the US on LGBT rights and a host of other things important to me and the UK (well, England and Scotland, really) were the clear winners for me. Not perfect by a long shot, but most suitable for my needs, especially with the desire to marry one day and have children through adoption.

          My two cents (as if you asked for it): don’t just read the media but get in contact with locals, hear the real stories of what is happening in the country/countries you consider. For example, people abroad still tend to rave about The Netherlands. As it is my country of birth I know the situation there very well and it is not that much different from what is happening in the UK nowadays, and less tolerant towards queer folk.

      • KayoZen

        Don’t forget, South Africa measures up too as a viable alternative. Thankfully our liberal constitutions upholds and the rights of the LGBTI community.

        • http://twitter.com/lievenlohtar lohtar

          When you look solely at legal rights you are right, then you can also include Brazil and Uruguay for example (and arguably several US states). However, when it comes to social tolerance South Africa is not that queer friendly as are the South-American nations and most US states.

          Personally I am a big fan of all things Scandinavia and with the exception of Finland those nations have full equality too and are relatively tolerant, though less in comparison to the UK.

          Important to note btw is that while adoption may be legal in many of those countries, including most of western Europe nowadays, it may not be viable as domestic adoptions hardly occur and international adoptions most often aren’t possible as the country of origin won’t allow it. The UK is a notable exception here (which says something about straight UK birth parents, but that’s another story…)

          • KayoZen

            You raise some good points re South America and some (and I underscore some) US states. As a South African, I’ve sadly experienced some of the worst homophobia in parts of the UK compared to my home country.

          • http://twitter.com/lievenlohtar lohtar

            It of course varies from part to part of the country and even in the most tolerant places one can happen upon the wrong person. I’ve experienced violence both in The Netherlands (even Amsterdam) and Berlin, Germany but none so far in the UK (Manchester).
            My guess is that this is a case of (bad) luck and not so much anything measurable. The likeliness of encountering homophobia is however measurable and, as far as I know, South Africa as a whole is less tolerant than the UK.

            Ugh. This all makes me very very sad. I wish we could be gay (in both senses of the word) without hassle anywhere in the world. Doubt it’ll happen in our lifetime.

  • The Zizzanax

    Well what do you know! Issues of the economy and ‘family values’ are of more importance than the gay agenda and their feelings? Whoudathunk?

    • That There Other David

      “Family values” never featured in the campaign. Stop projecting.

    • ian123

      It was immigration that did the business for UKIP, how the mainstream parties thought that large scale immigration could continue indefinitely with just vague promises to do something to control it is beyond comprehension.
      The homophobia and “family values” of the BNP didn’t do much to help them.

      Large scale immigration is great for employers who want a relatively cheap workforce. And of course for buy to let landlords.

      • ian123

        PS. even now mainstream politicians are trying to play down or deny the role of mass immigration. They are referring to UKIPs gains as a general disaffection with politics or ” we haven’t got our message across” ?

      • Beberts

        Not only immigration. With it comes racism, xenophobia, the word Great attached to Britain, and all the other nationalistic populisms you can think of. There are at least a few hundreds of them. Have you ever seen UKIPers talking about the large number of Brits living abroad? Have you ever seen UKIPers talk about the large number of Brits and their descendants in Australia, Canada or the USA? Of course not. Human beings are not plants, they move around, and people who complain about immigration of whatever form, are simply racists and xenophobes, even those who do not like to be called as such.

  • Leonard Woodrow

    It’s a sad reminder that democracy will only work when the general public are educated enough to shake off the bigotry imposed by religious beliefs and cultural “tradition”.

    • http://twitter.com/lievenlohtar lohtar

      Which is exactly why many national and local governments, as well as religious institutes, do everything they can to indoctrinate children through education from as early as possible to stop their critical thinking and creativity.

      • Leonard Woodrow

        Yes, indeed! Children should be taught to treat all minority groups with equal respect, providing such groups do not advocate antisocial behaviour.

  • Gordon Patten

    My father is over 70 as is my mother. Both were in the Royal Air Force where I grew up. Both support their son (me) and have done in many ways since I came out at the age of 28. I am very grateful for this support as I know that not all parents are so loving or understanding – not just to gay offspring but to str8 ones too. Age has absolutely NOTHING to do with what over 70s think – its the way they were bought up and the circles they were in as they grew up and throughout their lives. However, when in public office it does not give you a right to fire off offensive and disgusting remarks which can lead to the oppression of individuals. We only want to have an equal say as human beings nothing more nothing less. Let us have that

  • allan

    I can guarantee that most of the voting – both in local and EU elections – for UKIP was done for two things – a not funny joke and as a slap towards the ‘ Cameron, Clegg, Milliband ‘ triumvirate. Yes people are ‘scared’ by the constant stream of immigrants – but not as scared as the media might like to suggest – and the stagnant growth in most areas outside London. – which is shocking real the further North you go.
    As many here have said and it’s true most people don’t give a **** one way or the other about us but do want to be heard even if it is just once. Remember it was Labour MP’s, representing country wide communities, that got same sex civil marriage through the Commons and most of the Lords, regardless of their background, supported the change.
    These voters will revert to the two major parties at the elections next year with only the really ‘odd’ staying with UKIP.
    What I do worry about is this last year of the current administration and the crazy decisions that might be made in that frenzy to stay in power at any cost.
    A Con/UKIP alliance has me terrified. My god the country would be in civil war if that ever happened.
    And I think we can safely forget any further advancement in our rights, I doubt we’ll even see the same sex marriage Act fully implemented during this parliament as the Tories start to turn on their own and want to drag every hater back to their fold.
    Tough times ahead.

    • Sarabjeet Singh

      I thought same-sex marriage was already legal in England since last year ?

      • allan

        not for those already in a Civil Partnership – we are stuck in a game of political ping pong

  • Bill_Perdue

    Far right and fascist parties have been on the offensive from the Ukraine and Greece to France and England at the expense of fake leftists like the social democrats of the Parti socialiste and right leaning workers parties like Labour. In England these results show that the trend established in last years local elections was not a flash in the pan where Tories and the LibDems lost big time, Labour’s results were stagnant and the UKIP got 163 councillors.

    Part of that is due to the weak response the fake leftists to austerity and to the US backed fascist putsch in Ukraine and Merkel’s attempts to extend the reach and profits of the Deutsche Bundesbank and the IMF. And much of it is due to the disgust of voters whose options seem to be limited to choices between rotten apples and decomposed oranges.

    Working class voters want an end to austerity and they won’t get it from the Tories, the UKIP or Labour. They’re searching.

    The real fight, as events progress, will be between the right and parties backed by the rich and leftist and left leaning workers parties and unions. Groups like Socialist Resistance and the The Trade Union and Socialist Coalition are going to have to mount major campaigns to end austerity and to build unions as well as mounting an electoral strategy aimed at educating and organizing working people, who are the only group with the muscle and the will to defeat the right and the fascists.

  • lee

    I hope every gay person goes to his surgery to request his assistant and should he fail to assist complain about him.

    • That There Other David

      I agree with that, but for different reasons. If LGBT constituents attend his surgeries with genuine issues he might begin to understand the challenges we can still face, which will hopefully open his mind a bit towards us.

  • rapture

    There was an article in pink news few weeks ago that most voters that would be potentially voting ukip/tory actual favour equal marriage. So in that scenario ,he’s just as out of touch with his public as he claims the other lot are.
    Most people are making a protest vote, sick of the established parties who have abandoned them, mass immigration , islamicisation of UK/Europe.

  • Halou

    I would wonder how a person can be both working in Westminster and working in Brussels doing two different full-time jobs at the same time. But then I remembered that this is UKIP whose MEPs have among the worst attendance records in European Parliamentary history, and for the few times they do attend they have the worst participation records in European Parliamentary history. And of the so very few times they do participate in the European democracy they accuse of not including full British participation, they so consistently vote on behalf of their own vested interests and financial interests, they may as well wear their sponsor logos.

    They are workshy layabouts who refuse to do the work they are paid and elected to do and receive enormous sums for free money courtesy of the taxpayer. For that alone they would never get my vote, but for their manifesto policies, or apparent lack thereof, if they ever won Westminster I would rather emigrate to Poland.

  • Robert W. Pierce

    I’m not buying into fear mongering and biased media coverage. Remember this, of the 15.8 million UK voters who voted this past week, 10 million+ voted for PRO EU parties and only 5 million for anti-EU parties. That’s a huge majority in favour of the EU. Eurosceptism is less a threat than we’re led to believe.

  • Berberts

    We cannot talk about a single elephant in the room. There are so many of them. For example, the British nation is at its core culture essentially racist, xenophobic, homophobic and misogynistic, but very few people dare to mention or talk about this. The empire, the human suffering and exploitation, the adoration for tyrant royal families, etc etc … all of this and more play havoc in the British psyche to produce the right conditions to create the next Reich. Racists can navigate with ease in such a culture simply because there are so many racists around, and they are a by-product of the culture itself..

    • Berberts

      Little by little, trickle by trickle your rights can be eroded. The Tories are not much different, and their agenda is also backwards. It is not unthinkable that in a few decades, gays, women, the old, the sick and the disabled could be conducting their lives indoors once again, in the fringes and hidden from mainstream society. And this is not the first time this has happened.

  • qv

    Gee thanks, people of the East Midlands.

  • Howard Cordingley

    We have to remember that these elections are not as important as the election of our own MP’s. This guy should be laid out to grass. At his age lol

  • alanbstardmp

    you poofs stop moaning

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