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UKIP candidate who thinks it’s a tragedy Section 28 was repealed comes second in council election

  • Robert W. Pierce

    Appalling! I wouldn’t mind betting there are some skeletons in his deep dark closet.

    • Barry Scarfe

      I would think that is pretty likely. How exactly can you ‘promote’ homosexuality or bisexuality? I’m intrigued by this entire notion. Can showing a crime film in a cinema ‘promote’ the audience into deciding to become gangsters, for example?

      • Robert W. Pierce

        Just looking at him sends my gaydar into a nosedive. The loudest are the most suspect.

        • Barry Scarfe

          Some of the most rabid are just plainly ignorant and haven’t even bothered to find-out the most basic scientific research on the subject using the modern wonders of google and wikipedia but yes the most loony definitely do arouse suspicions in me as to their real sexual orientation. Just what is the point in a 100% straight guy or woman ranting about the small numbers of gays and bisexuals in our society? There is NO point.

          • Robert W. Pierce

            Agree. My take on it is any well adusted heterosexual wouldn’t be bothered by gay people or equality issues, only the insecure types let it bother them. He will be another who will eventually fall. They always do.

          • anon

            Four legs good. Two legs baa-d

        • Rumbelow

          My bigotdar does off the scale when I see him.
          Oh well, I guess it’s back to cleaning offices for Iain again rather than relaxing with his feet up in one while thinking of ways to discriminate against gay people.

      • JonParker

        in schools, promotion was meant/was interperated as, by talking about it, by allowing access to LGBT material (eg. Stonewall,
        pinknews, and books like and tango makes 3, stuff like that) and by
        stopping homophobic bullying.
        Pretty much anything that would dissuade gay kids from killing themselves

        • Barry Scarfe

          Which is why it was good that this law was repealed. Homophobes and biphobes when they talk about homosexuality/bisexuality being ‘promoted’ really mean they don’t like it being taught about and people being informed as to the existence of different forms of sexuality in humans and why they exist. Just informing people can’t be construed by any rational or logical person as ‘persuading’ or ‘promoting’ it.

      • Truth

        Homosexuality can only be ‘promoted’ to someone who has ‘tendencies’. For anyone to say being gay ‘is a choice’ means they, themselves, must have experienced making a choice. Otherwise, what they say is pure speculation. So, when anyone says to you that being gay is a choice, ask them how they can possibly KNOW? If they reply by saying they made a choice to be straight… well, that means they are really gay, doesn’t it and explains their homophobia.

  • Rovex

    Most people dont even know who they are voting for. They vote for the party, not the person, when actually they are voting for the person (in law).

    Im very pleased that in my city UKIP got nothing, despite huge advertising billboards filled with UKIP lies.

    • Robert W. Pierce

      I know someone who voted UKIP saying he voted because he didn’t want privatisation of NHS. You couldn’t make it up. They must be the most uninformed of all voters.

      • Barry Scarfe

        True but many actually do know UKIP’s real stance on economics and such matters but vote UKIP because they hate the Lib/Lab/CON party and want to send a message about the EU and immigration and see UKIP at the moment at least as the only viable vehicle for expressing those sentiments. If a moderate nationalist party in Britain used the subjects of the EU and immigration but also had a more centrist and hence less neo-liberal (in economic terms) and globalist economic agenda then I think a large part of UKIP’s current support would migrate to that party.

        Basically, UKIP is now Britain’s premier party of protest but as the Lib Dems have found-out being a protest and a ‘sod the lot’ party can only get you so far.

        • Robert W. Pierce

          I’m not so sure there is enough intelligence among UKIP supporters. They do seem to be the most ill-informed including Farage.

          I would agree the EU does need some reform but having a referendum before such reforms take place I don’t think is a very prudent move. There is no way such changes are going to be made before 2017. Cameron is delusional to even think it. It doesn’t happen that fast and will take several years with the agreement of the other 27 members. Simply exiting is going to wreak havoc on foreign investment in the UK, especially in terms of job creation. Much of the university funding will be cut for R&D, a large chunk of that comes from the EU. Several large international corporations want us to remain in, some have indicated they will re-invest elsewhere. Any party willing to risk that is doomed to failure, a politically bad move. UKIP will eventually implode as the Tea Party in the U.S. has already begun to find out. Already, republican moderates have started booting them out in primaries. UKIP will go the same way. Just a question of time.

        • David H

          Agreed. Ultimately, their vote share is pretty insignificant (I know much is being made of the 17% – but it’s 17% of a pretty low turnout). When you factor in the non-voters, it’s nearer 6%; which makes them little more than a fringe party that’s had significant success in a couple of areas.

          Obviously, we still have the Euro results to come through. A lot of areas, like mine, didn’t have any council elections – so those results will give a better picture.

          The kind of fanatics (and protesters) people like UKIP draws will have turned out on Thursday to swell their result.. Come the General Election, turnout will typically be around 60-70%; with most of those additional voters perceiving it as being a clear Tory/Labour option (as will a significant number of those who voted for UKIP this past week).

          30 years ago we had the SDP, who actually started from something pretty big, had MPs, significant numbers of councillors and still ended up fading into the Liberal party. In comparison to them, UKIP really are a flash in the pan.

          I’ve never made any secret of being a big pro-European; but if Cameron were to call a referendum on Europe UKIP would cease to exist as that’s their only real aim. If we don’t have a referendum, they’ll hover in the shadows for another few elections and then fade away once the Lib Dems have rebuilt their support and become the protest party of choice again.

          I expect they’ll have some “decent” results on Sunday; but when more than half the electorate vote for none of the above and stay home none of the parties can really claim any victories.

          • Barry Scarfe

            Yes, UKIP’s vote share has been inflated by the low turnout. People who have strong opinions and use UKIP to register them WILL turn out in large numbers for any sort of elections whilst the supporters of the Lib Dems, Labour (especially) and the Tories will tend to not bother much about local council elections..

            The ‘none of the above’ party is STILL the most popular party in Britain by quite some distance. We really do have a disgracefully apathetic electorate and I do wonder exactly what would bring a high turnout to the polls. If voting was made compulsory as it is in Australia I wonder what sort of results we would have?

          • David H

            If I’m honest I like the idea of compulsory voting, albeit with the caveat that the ballot paper has a “none of the above” option as I genuinely believe that a lot (albeit not all) of the disengagement comes from the fact that the electorate has no confidence in any of the parties.

            If I’m 100% honest, I voted tactically on Thursday. My heart was torn between the Lib Dems and the Greens; but I figured the more votes Labour got, the less likely UKIP would be to take any seats under PR.

          • Barry Scarfe

            Yes, we definitely do need a none of the above option if voting was made compulsory. The problem though is it would have a good chance of actually WINNING the election! I am quite sure that most of UKIP’s ‘support’ is not real support but merely a strong expression of disapproval of the others. If you had a none of the above option on the ballot paper, many of UKIP’s ‘supporters’ would ‘vote’ for it.

            We need PR for local elections and general elections. I suspect a lot of UKIP’s ‘support’ would then go to other parties and we would have a more reliable indication of just how much ‘support’ UKIP really has.

          • Robert W. Pierce

            I concur. Further, in addition to mandatory voting, I recommend elections being held on the weekend similar to several EU countries. More people are off on weekends than who work so it might help boost voter turnout in a general election at least.

          • Barry Scarfe

            Yes, it is stupid to have elections on a Thursday. It is merely by silly tradition that they continue to be held on that day. It would be better to have them on Sunday like many EU countries as you say. Most people don’t have much, if anything, to do on Sundays so a little time out of their day exercising their civic responsibilities by voting won’t harm them and will increase the turnout.

  • doug

    He didn’t get in that’s the main thing.

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  • Daniel Spence

    I really hope that UKIP’s new found support is only a protest vote.

    • Barry Scarfe

      I do think most of it is. People vote for UKIP for only three main reasons and they are: 1.) they hate the Lib/Lab/CON party and want to protest against them 2.) they are anti-EU and 3) they are against mass immigration.

      Their ‘support’ such as it is is inflated by low turnouts and there is an implicit fragility in their support as their economic and tax policies would only benefit the very richest in our society. Once people become better acquainted with this latter point then I’m confident a lot of their support will melt away to abstention or to other parties with more centrist economic beliefs.

      I think their support has now peaked. In the general election, they might well get quite a few votes (their vote share last time was 3.1%) but as it is so thinly spread-out they won’t get an MP under our archaic nonsense of FPTP.

  • mutton

    Ask the people if they agree and if so do it.
    That is called democracy.

    • Arawra

      Because the people know whats fair.

  • Truth

    Just shows how many disgusting homophobic bigots are still out there. It also strikes me as deeply hypocritical of people from one minority to turn on another.

  • Capnmagpie

    I will never understand how they think homosexuality is being promoted. What’s the selling point? “We’re oppressed and people hate us?” C’mon people.

    • Barry Scarfe

      They are just thick and ignorant if they really believe either homosexuality or bisexuality can be ‘promoted’. Why would any rational or half-intelligent person actively ‘choose’ to be a member of a 1% (in the case of 100% gays) or 4-5% (with regard to bisexuals) minority when they can be pat of a massive 94% MAJORITY? It just does not make any logical sense.

  • http://www.derekwilliams.net Derek Williams

    UKIP is populated by gay-hating bible-thumping racists. Their “logic” is that homosexuality is so much more preferable than heterosexuality, that unless you constantly warn people against it, everyone will choose to “live a gay lifestyle” and that will spell the “end of civilisation as we know it”. The fact that world population is nearly trebling every 60 years doesn’t enter into this, apparently, we’re still a threat.

  • Rory

    Well… Britain we have begun our journey down a dark and dangerous path. I think if UKIP win next year there is going to be a very big division in our country.

  • Pádráig O’Gáirmléadháigh

    I presume the vile Julia Gasper lost?

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