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US: Catholic school teacher quits over new contract that tells her to condemn her gay son

  • Valksy

    Are people still foolish enough to slobber over what the chief wizard in the pointy hat in the Vatican has said about us?

    Nothing has actually changed, and his own rank and file are treating him like some potty Uncle tottering about in his shed muttering to himself. His words seem to me to be completely and utterly bloody meaningless in terms of the influence he has.

    That said – Good for her for standing up for her son. What a shame so many others would not do the same (and as for LGBT Catholics? I wouldn’t shed so much as a tear for them….)

  • Mark Y

    Brilliant Mum. Hideous and evil archbishop.

    • sJames6621

      probably a celibate who worms little boys.

      BTW everyone google Pope Francis considering civil unions. HOpefully he will support tthem in italy – the only western Eur nation that doesnt have relationship recognition for gay couples,

      And send this a hole clergy out the door

      • Steven Gregory

        The Vatican is its own state, declared so by Mussolini in exchange for the RCC’s support of his regime. Italy could be compelled by the EU Court of Human Rights to recognize equal marriage, without touching the pedophile state.

  • Bikerman

    Good for you Mom! It’s the school’s loss.

  • Alan B’Astard

    I take it they never got the “who am I to judge” memo from the boss.

    • Steve_R

      True1 how ever since the memo was issued it has been peppered with contradictions. It’s been full of left hand right hand hypocrisy!

    • sTv0

      What the PR pope actually said: “If someone is gay, who searches for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge?”. This Mom says clearly that she “seeks the Lord”; thus, the hypocrisy with which the Church is so possessed is exposed yet again. Here’s what else the PR pope said: “The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says they should not be marginalized because of this (orientation) but that they must be integrated into society.” The Catechism? You mean, *this* Catechism?: #2357: “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

      “Intrinsically disordered?” “They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity…” WTF? Who talks like that? Those are sciency-sounding words that mean nothing. There is no support for this kind of language in the peer-reviewed journals that cover human sexuality. None. Nada. Zip.

      The Church once again creates its own explanation out of whole cloth. No supporting evidence, no studies, nothing but a pompous arrogance and overblown sense of superiority. The sooner the RCC folds up its tents and vanishes from existence, the better.

  • Marc Webster

    “Archdiocese spokesman Dan Andriacco told the newspaper: “It’s a bit frustrating to us that some of the organized opposition to our new contract language has misstated its intentions and its implications.”

    Its quite clear you loon…..you still live in medieval times…..still evil and bigoted….

    • Joeoz

      Yes… it’s a bit frustrating that people have woken up to all our bigoted mumbo jumbo and won’t do as we tell them…!

      Mark Webster… it appears that you don’t understand the catholic church!
      They have no need to live in the present era… after all, they (the catholic church) have 2,000 years of tradition behind them!

      So it appears that the church really doesn’t feel the need to get with the times… After all, they’ve been in business for 2,000 years.

      Just off topic for a few moments…

      I have an old documentary, which was recorded from TV about 30 years ago. This documentary is about the gay community in Sydney, circa 1980.
      They interviewed a catholic priest to ask him about the churches view on homosexuality. The smug little, turd of a priest said, “The church will never accept homosexuality, maybe in 2,000 years but we’ve got 2,000 years of tradition!

      Oh… by the way, that very same priest was filmed; coming out of a men’s public toilet… I think it was in the same documentary?

      • Steven Gregory

        Speaking of documentaries: have you seen MEA MAXIMA CULPA: SILENCE IN THE HOUSE OF GOD, put out by HBO in 2012? It’s a thorough eye-opener.

        Yes the RCC has centuries of horrifying practices, especially concerning the most vulnerable and helpless in their ranks. This shows how the U.S. sex abuse scandal first broke when heinous practices were revealed among DEAF children at a Catholic boarding school: nobody heard their cries, except other staff.

        • Joeoz

          No, I haven’t seen that documentary… I’ll have to see if I can find it… perhaps I can view it on youtube?

          It certainly amazes me is the fact that, this catholic school could even think of putting such anti gay clauses in any work contract…

          What moral authority if any, does the RCC have these days…
          You’d really think that with all the child abuse scandals, this school would just leave well enough alone?

          In Australia, not only is the RCC being looked into but also, the C of E and the Salvation Army… What is it with all these religious institutions…

          Perhaps, they’ve been reading that part of the bible, where it says…

          “Suffer the little children”

  • wildseas

    Well done Mum, let us hope that that starts a trend………..

  • Truth

    Those ‘loving’ Xians become more disgusting by the day. If only they had been so condemnatory of the hundreds of molesterss in their ranks …

    • Joeoz

      Hear, hear… True xtians showing that god is, “LOVE”… through their words and actions!

      Of course the church couldn’t or wouldn’t condemn the child abusers in their ranks. Heaven forbid that the catholic church gets a bad name for its self…!

      The church never recognized, that child abuse was a criminal act and therefore it was against the law…

      No, the church treated child abuse has a moral failing or a weakness of the spirit. So instead of handing the criminals in their ranks over to the police. The church moved them from parish to parish, hoping that god would heal them…

      The old saying goes… “A leopard never changes its spots”!

    • J.

      The age of consent in the Vatican state says it all really.

    • Psychologist

      Indeed – but “hundreds of molesters in their ranks” – don’t you mean THOUSANDS !! ??

  • J.

    What a great mum! The school doesn’t deserve her. The article indicates that a local attorney is involved in taking legal action against the school and I just hope that is the case.

    • Steven Gregory

      Makes one wonder what’s wrong with the rest of those teachers. She can’t be the only one with a homosexual loved one.

      • J.

        Yes Steven and I’ve asked myself why the other teachers aren’t supporting their colleague. They don’t need to have a gay loved one to show at least some level of understanding and solidarity with their colleague. I only hope that there are parents of children at the school who are disgusted with the school authorities. Surely as parents themselves they wouldn’t accept such treatment from their employers. I really don’t understand why there is no action being taken either by the teachers or parents. From what we know at present the town appears to be like the community in the film ‘The Stepford Wives’.

  • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

    Good for her!

  • Paul

    What this article doesn’t tell you is that she is a wonderful person and a great teacher. A 1st grade teacher that I have had the pleasure of both of my kids getting taught by. Sexuality was never brought up in the 1st grade just a great education. It’s a huge loss for the school in Cincinnati..

    • J.

      Paul, I think you can probably tell from the messages left here that her love and commitment to her son shows just how much of a wonderful person she is. As you can testify that she is also a great teacher then it is such a loss for the kids at the school. Perhaps the parents who are appalled by the way she’s been treated could get together and challenge the school authorities as a group. She deserves to know that the parents support her.

    • Steven Gregory

      Thank you for sharing. Does this requirement in the teacher’s contracts affect your desire to have your children in Catholic schools?

  • masteradrian

    Sickening! Shocking!
    And then they claim that christianity is all about love, compassion and parenthood!
    Forcing a Mother to denounce her son because he is homosexual, it is shocking!

    I would even go further,,, this action by the school is in-human, un-christian, and typically for an organization that excludes people, that condemns people who are compassionate, who are loving, who are inclusive!

    The Roman Catholic Church is nothing less then terrorist religious organization that should be outlawed, be put on the same list as Al Quaida, the Islam Brotherhood, Boko Haram, and all other religious extremists!

    I think it is time for all people who support these sort of actions to be boycotted, be thrown out, be exposed and be excluded from every society and community!

    Were organizations exclude individuals and groups because they are loving others a different way these organizations have lost their right to be considered acceptable, and should be banned, and not receive any benefit, socially, mentally, or any other way!

  • Jock S.Trap

    Good on Mum here but why should she have to listen to people, whose rules come from unmarried men who have no idea of relationships marriage nor family?

    Appalling attitude of the religious yet again!

  • Christopher in Canada

    Good for her! And, should she keep her career, there is a public system that would treasure a teacher of her character working for them and for the kids.

  • Jones

    A religion which asks people to condemn other humans based on a prejudiced book should have no place in our society.

  • frglee

    Sign here and hate who we hate. Hate your children if we tell you to – or else. Monstrous. What amazes me is that of so many people employed by these bigoted lunatics only one person had the courage to not only speak out against these rules but also to refuse to work under these conditions.

  • shane_menken

    First, end all parochial schooling. Bigots training bigots.

    Second, end tax breaks for the church. Why does a group that violates equal opportunity programs in hiring get a tax break. We need to strenghen EEOC rules about this kind of thing and then end tax-exempt bigotry.

    • Psychologist

      Very well said Shane ! Tax-exempt bigotry is a very good description.
      It’s bad enough that they spout their bigotry, even worse knowing that they do it free of taxes which everyone else has to pay!

      • Steven Gregory

        If only people would realize that they pay to take up the slack of churches who get free government services and city infrastructure.

        • Psychologist

          Indeed Steven – in effect …. WE all partly finance THEIR bigotry and discrimination, via our taxes !

    • Steven Gregory

      I always like to ask: “How popular would Jesus be if he wasn’t tax deductible?”

      Do I get to deduct my hobbies and superstitions?
      Hell, I’ll get ordained and conduct daily communion that serves beer and pretzels… or martinis and steak. Under the cloak of religion I would be able to deduct the cost of my church (tavern or steakhouse) and my patrons could deduct their “offerings.”

      • shane_menken

        It would be a huge effort, but great fun, to institute a Church of the Holy Skeptic, an atheist religion. Then get all the same privileges and exemptions the other churches get. A reductio ad absurdum party on the taxpayers dime.

  • Cat L

    These religious kooks have gotten completely out of control.

  • Nancy Boutilier Anderson

    wonder what the pope would think of this?

  • SluttyMary

    As much as I loathe the school’s position, I think this is a bit of an overreaction. As written, a public endorsement is not ‘going to a gay bar with your son’, though it could be interpreted as that… it’s really going to a venue that has entertainment and drinks. If being at a bar means you are publically endorsing… well.. you’d have to shut all bars down for this code.

    My mother doesn’t endorse or really even approve of my gay status, but she did go with me to see a bunch of RuPaul’s Drag Queens at our local casino.

    I’m having a bit of a hard time seeing the endorsement when there isn’t actually one.

    • Steven Gregory

      As you pointed out, this is open to interpretation… which often means when nobody is looking, the bounds will be overstretched.

  • SluttyMary

    She was never asked to condemn… just not endorse. There is a difference and while I find it sickening in itself, you work for the catholic church… what did you really expect? They aren’t asking you to say he’s going to burn in hell. They are asking as a representative of the church that you don’t publicly support gay marriage or abortion.

    • Steven Gregory

      I read a great comment when one of many reports came out of a Catholic institution firing a gay or lesbian employee:
      “Work for a hate group, expect hate.”

  • Rob Oakes

    How dare a school or an employer dictate to a person who they should condemn. I have no religious beliefs however as this is a catholic school surely they should look at John 8:7 “Cast The First Stone”. What I do not understand is that how in the land of freedom and tolerance how can one state arbitrarily decide to put in place a employment contract that involves a person that is in no way connected to that employer?

  • Psychologist

    How can such blatant discriminatory wording EVEN get into a contract of employment, in the first place ?

  • CHBrighton

    What kind of despicable organisation does this to families?

  • Happy Jack

    Oh for goodness sake !

    Don’t go making a martyr of this woman. She isn’t one. All she’s being asked to do as a Catholic teacher is to not publically act or speak against the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Church is perfectly entitled to request this and teachers can sign up or leave.

    Given her comments, she clearly disagrees with these teachings and therefore should resign.

    • TheLump

      “All she’s being asked to do as a Catholic teacher is to not publically (sic) act or speak against the teachings of the Catholic Church”, which includes no longer accepting her son. She’s not a martyr, she’s not being made to be one. It is noteworthy, however, what her reasons for resignation are and the dogmatic line of behavior she is expected to take against her own son.
      You are right, though, that given her disagreement with the inflexible teachings, she should (and did) resign. Yes, the Church is entitled to this request. It’s newsworthy in its impact upon its own adherents, however.

  • Steven Gregory

    This mom is the only one among 2200 teachers who has guts. I hope
    another school picks her up pronto, because she obviously knows the most
    important lesson in life: right from wrong.

    One of the “teachings” of the Catholic Church is that it’s okay for priests and nuns to abuse and rape children. By practice and failure to act AGAINST perpetrators, that ugly lesson has found its way into common knowledge about the Catholic Church.

  • Pádráig O’Gáirmléadháigh

    Is there something in the contract that says anything about all the Paedos in the Catholic Church. I am betting NOT!! Frankie boy seems to be skirting around that little problem or should I say horrendous scandal that really should have spelled the end of the Catholic Church and their Peadophile Club in Rome. Now we know why the age of consent is twelve years old for boys in Vatican City!!

    • Steven Gregory

      Really? 12-years-old? Priests must keep little boys sitting on their windowsills to ripen, like tomatoes, pinching them occasionally to see if they’ve reached age.

  • Merari

    Kudos for placing what is loving and right over dogma mrs. Shumate. :)

  • William Ray Walters

    I’m a huge proponent of gay rights, but I don’t understand why she felt the contract would force her to ‘publicly condemn’ him when the contract, as described in the article, stated no such thing. There is a big difference between telling someone they can’t be openly supportive of homosexuality and telling someone they must openly condemn homosexuality.

  • Crowtalk

    Excessive sexual obsession.

  • cheryl

    So proud of this MOM of what she did. I think others should do the same. Get it though your HEADS it shoud not matter what your sexuality is we all need to be treated equal in my books…this is why there is so much BULLYING going on around us in this world its time to STOP.

  • Fatheroffour

    Good for her. We do not need people like her teaching at Catholic schools. Go work at a public school where you can freely push your agenda. You can not expect the Church to allow a teacher to push ideas that go against God’s teachings.

  • Joanie Bologna

    Ms Shumate you are a true Christian and a wonderful mother. Thank you from a Humanist, lesbian, stepmother.

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