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Study: 93% of straight British men have spooned with another guy

  • Neil Rhodes

    Aaah. Can’t beat a good night of man-to-man spoonery. One of my fave things ever!

    • Maryland Kid

      I’ve just decided that I’m going to open a gay bar in Colonial Williamsburg called Ye Olde Village Spoonery.

      • Truth

        Puts a whole new slant on ‘Spoonerisms’ …. !

  • atalanta

    This gives me hope for humanity!

    I wonder what proportion of male DUP politicians have spooned with another guy – a guy they weren’t f*?!ing, that is.

    • J.

      Remember Paul Berry, the DUP MLA caught with a male masseur? :-D

      There were rumours about Jeffrey Donaldson MP having same-sex liaisons in London, whilst attending Westminster. I can imagine Ian Paisley Jr. having same-sex fantasies, but whether he has ever acted on them is a different matter.

      As for Jim Shannon MP, the thought of even being in the vicinity as him is enough for me to wretch.

      Nothing would surprise me about the DUP lot. After the Iris Robinson case I think they’re capable of anything.

      • Truth

        … “show me a homophobe – I’ll show you a closet case …”

  • Tristan

    40 people? The headline is a little misleading. The sample (as is acknowledged in the piece) is FAR too small. More research is indeed needed! A bold statement with such little evidence

    • Zoltána

      My thoughts exactly. That headline applied to such a small study is poor journalism and/or editing.

    • Steven Gregory

      I did a study with just ONE participant and the result was that 100% of straight men polled blah-blah-blah…

      • Tristan

        Lol :)

      • Professor Eric Anderson

        Again, that’s not my statement, it’s what PInk News did for click-bating. But, if we were to do a poll of undergraduate teamsport athletes, it would be very high, indeed. Whatever the percent is, it’s the norm. Now, I’d need to do a survey of hundreds of athletes from many institutions to say that, officially. But results of my many ethnographies and qualitative studies show it is high.

        • Michael Murray

          but if you have published these conclusions in a peer review journal is that not stating it ” officially”? You seem to be making speculative statements that it is ” the norm” ,” high”.and “very high” when you simply dont have the evidence

          • Professor Eric Anderson

            No. I seem to be very clearly stating that in THIS sample of teamsport athletes, this was the percent. This is NOT to say (as Pink News lousy title does) that it’s this percent of ALL males in the UK.

  • Maryland Kid

    I swear to God my straight friends cuddle more than I do.

    • Steven Gregory

      Darlin’, you’re breaking my heart!

      • Maryland Kid

        It’s unbelievably annoying. And when I get annoyed, generally I start throwing things at people. Sharp, pointy things.

        In other news, for some I reason I seem to have lost all of my straight friends.

        • Derek Northcote

          Probably due to the sharp, pointy things sticking out of them.

          • Maryland Kid

            You, sir, are a master of deductive reasoning.

  • Professor Eric Anderson

    I wish Pink News would have interviewed myself and my co-author, Mark McCormack, on this (to get a better write up). Anyhow, the reason this particular study was with just 40 men was because we were interested in finding out the mechanics and meaning of their cuddling through in-depth interviews. So this was 40 hours of interviews. You can’t do that on hundreds of particpants!!! But in my book 21st Century Jocks, I highlight a multitude of my academic studies, and that of Dr. McCormack’s, which find cuddling with another heterosexual (or oftentimes gay male) friend is a standard part of British youth culture for straight males. It’s not a shocker to anyone remotely in touch with straight male youth, or even anyone whose watched Skins. They lie in bed, often times in single beds, and hold each other, for minutes, hours, or until falling asleep. The behaviour is not homosexualizing anymore. For more information on my work (Professor Eric Anderson) visit http://www.EricAndersonPhD.com and for more on Dr. Mark McCormack’s work, visit http://www.MarkMcCormackPhD.com

    • Maryland Kid

      So it was more of an ethnographic approach? Were quantitative measures included in the experimental design as well? Sorry if I’m asking stupid questions. I just read the article, and not the paper itself.

    • Connor Larkin

      All human touch is sexual. Depending on the actors, friends, relatives young and old, strangers and children.

      Human Touch is sexual, not necessarily erotic or sensual.

      • Steven Gregory

        Human touch begins as connection and communication — parents and children, children and children. Sexual touch develops later through natural motivations and — as we see in western culture — hypersexualization of everything from shoes to cars.

    • Michael Murray

      “All 145 interviews were collected over a period of 2 years. The
      majority of interviews (n=92) were semi-structured, with in-depth interviews averaging 45 min (range, 20–70 min)”

      Where is this study only concerned with 40 men?

      “Of the 25 men who have not socially kissed in our research, none were adverse to the idea”

      25 out of 145 = 17% – Im unsure how this gives 89% have kissed another man. Also to have completely common answers? This seems extremely surprising for any statistical survey

      “So this was 40 hours of interviews. You can’t do that on hundreds of participants”

      By your own average estimate of 40 minutes for 93 participants it would take approximate double the time of two assessors – or the same time for four. Are you suggesting that this is impossible? Interviewing one person on average a week for two years does seem to be rather slow.

      There seems to have been many questions asked but no answers provided importantly their attitude to homosexuality or how only heterosexual men were selected at random – then why ask their sexual orientation? Again are you suggesting their was no one excluded from the study whatsoever?

      Admittedly the title was appointed by the authors of the article and not you but there is nothing about spooning in this research of 40/ 145 men than mentions spooning.

      I afraid it appears all quite tenuous.

      • Professor Eric Anderson

        Michael,

        The kissing research and the spooning research are separate research pieces. You’ve read the kissing research and are looking for answers about cuddling, which clearly you won’t find because they are separate articles published in second journals. Your also conflating the two.

        I appreciate that it’s confusing for you when you don’t know how academic research works and all. And I have nearly 50 articles, so I thought I’d help you out a bit with some explanations below.

        For the cuddling,

        I had seen (personally in my ethnographies) cuddling and interviewed many heterosexual teamsport athletes in the UK, and some in the US, about it. I then conducted indepth-interviews with 40 men from various sports at one university. So we know it’s wider-spread than just men at this university, but cannot definitively say how common. We can’t even say how common it is at this university, but we can say that it’s striking that it manifest in 39/40 athletes. That research can be found here (but sadly it’s not free):

        http://jmm.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/03/11/1097184X14523433.full.pdf

        The kissing piece can be found on my website, free:

        http://www.ericandersonphd.com/resources/Kiss%20Them%20Because%20I%20Love%20Them%20The%20Emergence%20ofHeterosexual.pdf

        For the kissing research, we conducted research on multiple locations/sites (thus it took two years) and in total got 145 interviews with straight men, and determined 89% had kissed another male. Those stats are a bit hard to define because there were one or two who were kissed against their will). So 89% had kissed and 87% actively kissed. But the general idea is that straight men at university kiss each other a fair amount).

        If you read further into the methods you will see that we used different methods for different parts of that population, only 53 in-depth interviews I believe it was. And we had multiple researchers on that project. The rest were 5 min interviews. We did not interview one a week, we did one institution, then had to get ethical permission to do the next (months go by) and then again. So collectively it took two years.

        We selected every third man randomly at one university, and did exclude people if they did not fit our perimeters of being a heterosexual (not gay or bi) undergraduate between 18-22 (I think it was). I.e. we didn’t want mature undergrads.

        For the American research we did shorter interviews (3 min I believe) on over 500 undergraduate men, and came up with 10%; same in Australia, but we came up with 30%.

        Hope that helps,

        Eric

        • Michael Murray

          I am aware that you have no control over editorial control and the article is obviously badly written nd cross referenced.
          I have a reasonable understanding of research and ethics. I have carried out a number of surveys , research, audit and publications. However in none of interviews I would find it usual to exchange phone numbers with an interviewee and anonymity is usually of importance.

          I can even understand basic statistics. On the paper on kissing concerning 145 men you state in the paper 25 had not experienced same sex kissing. This is 17% – I still cant calculate how this adds up to 89% in the study. Statistics from the evidence that you have gathered. This will be accurate if analysed correctly. Whether the information to create those statistics is accurate, real or reproducible is a separate issue but it doesnt make the stats difficult to interpret. If you are combining two different elements then these should be analyzed separately.
          I am just surprised to the lack of demographic information and the notion that 100% of men who had not kissed anther man had no objection as statistically this seems improbable.

          There are also concerns using different interview techniques in different places particularly within one study which have the potential to skew results then compare the results as it they are similar.

          In order for something to really be considered as evidence the study should be repeated to minimise bias, scatter theorum etc,
          You have also made comments regarding both this as evidence relating only to the study population and then to parts of UK society which is contradictory and an extrapolation

          • Professor Eric Anderson

            I’m not sure where you’re coming from with this phone number stuff, or replication – I’m not measuring gravity here. It seems to me that’ you’ve decided to go on the offensive for god knows what reason. I can’t be bothered to make sense out of your posts. The point is,in today’s culture, British boys are reaping the rewards of a less homohysteric culture: kissing, cuddling and loving each other. If you don’t like my evidence, fine, please by all means read that of other researchers, or conduct your own. I wish you well,

            Eric

          • Michael Murray

            I have asked now twice for you to explain a simple calculation – I an unsure why asking a straightforward question is construed as offensive..

            I was hoping for an answer to the question which is a straightforward one. It is not clear how the figure of 89% was calculated. 145-25 does not equal 89%. If there is another calculation that this was derived from if you can explain.

            The problems with researching into sexual behaviour are well known. It relies on honesty, consistency and is dependent on the type of research carried out whether online, in person and if in person the person asking the questions, the consistency and nature of the questions are all relevant and can influence results.

            It is well established that even in national anonymous
            surveys around 5% of people will not disclose their sexual orientation. It is known in heterosexual sex men over state and women understate. Simply the numbers of partners that men report is not matched by women whom they are
            having the relationships with.

            There have been relatively few studies into sexual activity.
            Two in the US and both provided information but struggled to provide some sub group analysis. Kinsey overestimated the prevalence of homosexual sex as he actively sought them as little was known at the time.

            Of the three major studies in the UK the Natsal-3
            Study which was published in The Lancet in November 2013 lead with an editorial stating that research into sexual activity needed sampling strategies, question standardization, and computer-assisted methods of data
            collection to improved data quality.

            The two US studies totaled around 9000 and the UK studies 45,000.

            In psycho social research the issues are more complicated.
            Researcher bias with the investigator seeking to prove their hypothesis.Positive results are much more likely to be published. Smaller studies often unverifiable and unrepeated. The rate of retraction of studies has increased
            1200% in the last decade research with publication rate rising 40% and are five times more common in psychological and behavioral In a meta analysis of fraud
            in researchers up to 70% dubious practices were reported regarding co workers.
            So combining the issues with researching into sexual activity in particular the activity of men and the complicating factor of social and psychological research collectively it makes conclusions and subsequent extrapolations have a potentially uncertainty.
            This is part of the reason for raising the question of such a high level of positive findings and indeed in one question 100% . This seems very unusual.

            My concerns were that these were tiny studies in a very
            restricted geographical, social , age , class and educational parameters with a mixing of sampling techniques based on variable questioning techniques with a conclusion which on appearance seems to be wrong and then compared it to other findings using a different technique and get results which are almost nine times different in relatively culturally similar countries.

            Yet on the basis of this you have made sweeping statements about the young UK male population and have made no comment of the limitations of your study. I find it puzzling if you are happy to promote your work but any questioning is accused of somehow an “attack”
            or in some way construed as discriminatory.

          • Professor Eric Anderson

            There is a differential between those who have kissed and those who have been kissed. A percentage who had been kissed, but did not actively kiss: and that makes the difference between 83 and 89%. Sorry if this was not clear.

  • VP

    If this is true then it’s very depressing. 93% of straight men have had more man-on-man intimacy than I ever have. Despite the fact I dream of such intimacy all the time, and go to sleep every night while hugging a pillow and pretending it’s a man to cuddle…

    On the other hand, I find it a somewhat difficult statistic to believe. None of my friends, all of whom are straight and in their late 20s, would ever consider such an uncomfortably intimate thing as cuddling someone who isn’t a formal romantic partner. That there is such a disparity between my experience and picture these claims present throws considerable doubt on them in my mind.

    Perhaps the sample was drawn solely from some bizarre regional subculture that lacks the normal restraint and boundaries of most British people?

    • Steven Gregory

      Your comment reveals what I find saddest about male-to-male interaction in such supposedly developed countries as the UK and US: physical contact between men carries a sexual or intimate connotation unless it is violent (boxing, wrestling).

      • Mark Y

        What’s even sadder is that in ‘undeveloped countries’ like Egypt, Saudi or other middle east countries, Heterosexual male to male interaction can be very affectionate. But if you are sexual or intimate, they kill you.

        • Truth

          Yes indeed – they are very affectionate IN PUBLIC (often holding hands). But, trust me: they most certainly DO indulge in the other sort of ‘interaction’ behind closed doors. Patriarchal societies like those mentioned above are among the most hypocritical countries on the planet …..

      • Professor Eric Anderson

        That’s what’s fascinating about my research, Gregory. Your right (in America) but in the UK, in the last few years, for youth, they’ve dropped the association of interaction being a sign of homosexuality. It’s amazing to watch!

      • Michael Murray

        I dont think it does at all. I think most people would suggest that kissing or sustained kissing would have some kind of sexual element to it. I am too old to witness this apparently but VP seems a more appropriate age yet doesnt know anyone – unless he is too old as well. Im not sure why this could not be carried out with larger numbers in an anonymised poll I also find the stats unbeleivable but having read the paper it is poor methodologically. There is no mention of anything other than heterosexual men being interviewed and no comment on the actual incidence of the event happening when drunk.
        As for the title of “I kiss them because I love them” this is an extrapolation of the kind that the original article commenting on does and is objected to. “A number of other informants spoke of loving their friends” which seems conclusive proof for the author to title the article.

        • Steven Gregory

          You contradict yourself in the first two sentences.

          • Michael Murray

            Please explain?

          • Steven Gregory

            You don’t “think it does at all” but then you “think most people would suggest … some kind of sexual element to it.”

            What is it, not “at all” or “some sexual element?”
            Please have the last word, I’m not interested in this argument for argument’s sake.

          • Michael Murray

            I was refering to two different points

            “I dont think it does at all ” refers to the notion that you are suggesting that male male interactions are either violent or sexual.

            I think the majority of the population would attach some level of sexual activity prolonged kissing of another person.

            Having read the paper as I am sure you have there are no references to most of the information gathered, no significant epidemiological background information, no explaination as to how they selected heterosexual men, no exclusions, no incidence when activities occurred when drunk, the statistics don’t add up – 25 out of 145 didn’t kiss – 17% yet a claim that 89% have. And the universal acceptance of it make it highly statistically unlikely.
            In short it is a very poor paper with by their own admission an inconsistent interview technique

        • VP

          I am in my late 20s also. Perhaps the fact I come from a very rural area, have comparatively few friends and am somewhat averse to physical contact myself might go some way to explaining why I have not noticed this if it is indeed true that other people are becoming more tolerant of it. But my friends who live in big cities aren’t like that either, so I’m still skeptical that this is as widespread as claimed.

          • Michael Murray

            No I dont think it does – this is about the same level of validity as you get on the bottom of a cosmetics advert saying 77 out of 105 women thought they looked younger/ hair was shinier.
            If I think most reasonable people would be somewhat suspicious of tiny numbers giving unusual results. If this was the case then other researchers would produce similar figures.

      • VP

        Why is it sad that physical contact with other humans carries with it sexual or intimate connotations? From my perspective it’s just good sense – This set-up helps to define social boundaries, prevent discomfort, and keep intimacy well-circumscribed and special. It sets down firm distinctions between people at different levels of emotional proximity, and thus helps to regulate social interaction. It also helps to ease discomfort, especially among those of us who are easily discomforted by invasions of our personal space.

        I wouldn’t want to say that cultures where physical contact is more common are doing it wrong – that’s not how culture works – but nor are we, in our culture, doing it wrong. They’re both equally valid ways of doing things, and personally I prefer our way.

        • Steven Gregory

          Then there’s the viewpoint that the sexualization of touch is what produces discomfort. Of course there are degrees of contact that define intimacy, but a lot of contact never happens because of societal anxiety over misinterpretation.

          • VP

            And I don’t see what’s so bad about that. Why would more groping and pawing and bumping into each other be a good thing in and of itself? If you’ve got a system that lets you accurately gauge appropriate social responses by producing fine gradations of permissible contact then why would you want to touch each other more? You can already send all the social signals you need to within the system, or even break its rules to show yourself as a rebellious sort with no appreciation of social propriety if that’s what you want to do.

            And while there may be some discomforts associated with the particular social structures one is familiar with, it seems silly to suggest that the natural human aversion to being touched is entirely a social construct. After all, the vast majority of animals will instinctively shy away from unsolicited contact, including most primates. There are far more very dangerous behaviours, such as rape, assault and molestation, that stem from touching other people than from not touching them.

          • Steven Gregory

            Your first comment in this exchange spoke of desire for contact and now you’re attempting to justify a corset you have laced about yourself.

            I am an honest COMMUNICATOR: guys know when I want to escalate intentions, I don’t leave it up to some mime theater. I’m also very honest when something feels good or uncomfortable, and ask the same: “Does this feel good, are you comfortable?”

            It sounds like you have issues with touch and communication, so you load touch with burdens and messages. That’s your choice. I used to do that and rejected it in favor of more contact and more straightforward communication.

    • saintlaw

      Or maybe your choice of friends says something about you?

      • VP

        One does not choose one’s friends. One’s friends gather to oneself naturally, unconsciously, and thanks to a kind of intrinsic social and cultural compatibility that is rarely explicit and never willed into existence. Perhaps we all do come from a place where things are done differently, but perhaps our experiences are just as mainstream and just as valid as anyone else’s?

    • Professor Eric Anderson

      No. The sample is from teamsport athletes. Here, it is common, today. Maybe not when your friends in their late 20s were in uni, but it is today. Or, maybe you should ask them if they have or would, rather than assuming they would not?

      • VP

        Sigh… I already feel monstrously old and past it. Thanks for reminding me that I’m not nearly as young as I’d like to be anymore…

      • VP

        Also, picking a subculture as niche and peculiar as athletes is bound to skew the results significantly. I would be very surprised to find that this isn’t some artifact of an athletics subculture already, by its very nature, unusually obsessed with physicality, rather than a more general social trend.

  • Steven Gregory

    How tragic that male-to-male physical closeness stirs puerile sexual ideas. Is the USA or UK more freaked out by man-to-man nonsexual physical proximity?

    I was schooled FAST the first time I was in Greece. I quickly got used to riding a scooter behind the driver with my arms fully wrapped around him, an off duty friend in military uniform saying “Come here?” and grabbing my hand or arm to pull me along, men of all ages kissing me on both cheeks, friends falling asleep drunk on my shoulder or laying down with their head in my lap. NONE of it was sexual. I did miss the closeness when I returned to the US.

    • Serkan M

      So true. When I go to Turkey, men often walk down the street arm in arm and it never has a sexual connotation but an affectionate one. People in the west are so quick to equate affection with sex.

      • Steven Gregory

        Mere touch, even proximity, become sexual cues in the west. Everything is hypersexualized from chocolate bars to sunglasses.

        • Serkan M

          lol! So true.

      • Professor Eric Anderson

        This is a matter of homohysteria. In countries where they do not widely believe that homosexuality exists they do not fear holding hands, or being tactile with other men because they don’t think people can/are gay (that’s a Western thing). Then, in countries where they know gays exists in large numbers but hate gays (i.e. the West in the 1980s) they don’t touch each other. However, as homophobia dies, they begin to touch each other again. This is why British boys are so tactile today, they just aren’t homopohbic, so touching another guy is not coded as gay anymore. I’m happy to send readers a paper I’ve written on this: contact me at http://www.EricAndersonPhD.com

    • Professor Eric Anderson

      The UK is MUCH better than the US. I’ve done comparative research on undergraduate straight men kissing (on the lips) as a form of brotherhood/banter/affection that is not based in sexual desires. I found it at 89% in the UK, 30% in Australia, and (surprisingly high) 10% in the US.

      • Michael Murray

        I find this particularly unbelievable. I cant say I have ever witnessed this in the last forty odd years or so . The French and some Europeans greet each other with a kiss but most people in the Uk often have minimal acknowledgements .Again where is this published , what was the sample size.

        • Professor Eric Anderson

          That article was published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, and is free on my website. To conduct it we interviewed every third male student exiting the University’s library; plus we polled every male of three football teams from three different institutions. The 30% of Australian men was conducted by polling every third male walking past a common area too, as was the American study which (is under review now) utilized the same tactic for 11 different American universities. You won’t see this because, frankly, you are too old. Unless you are in student night clubs. They aren’t doing this in the streets, they are doing it in student spaces.

          • Michael Murray

            Im afraid this just smacks of terribly low standards of “research”. This paper randomly selects men and then asks and as far as I can see all the men are heterosexual. it states that they self selected to be heterosexual at interview. Its not clear if you asked men if they were heterosexual to be in an interview and then asked in the interview their sexual orientation.
            It comments that “most” involve alcohol but doesnt seem to think quantifying such an important element. If the vast majority of men did this when drunk does that not make the interpretation skewed and the title misleading and should not be ” I kissed them because I loved them” to ” I remember every detail of my activities when I am intoxicated and I kiss men”.

            Taking two years for a duration of about 40 hours of interviews seems a little on the light side.
            The numbers are so small each person contributes enormously to the study. The questions obviously display bias. it might be worthwhile repeating the study to show the influence of the interviewee being either a young attractive woman or an older man then it would be more consistent

            It just seems to be a poor intellectual standard, of the level of face cream quite frankly. Obviously other areas of medicine have slightly higher standards .

  • Daniel

    Now soliciting volunteers to assist in the noble cause of science! Must be willing to be the little spoon.

  • gutaitas

    I feel like spooning now. Thanks.

  • misfit44

    Eric Anderson is remarkably confident and open about his assertions. He also claims that more than a third of former high-school American football players have had sexual relations with other men.

    In his study of homosexuality among sportsmen in the United States, he said that “he had found that 19 in a sample of 47 had taken part in acts intended to sexually arouse other men, ranging from kissing to mutual masturbation and oral sex.”

    http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/07/Oct/2901.htm

    He also believes that child molestation is a western construct, whereas in other cultures it is merely a right of passage. He is also a signatory to a letter written by B4U-ACT that wants to destigmatise paedophilia:

    http://www.b4uact.org/news/20110425.htm

    http://www.psychforums.com/paraphilias/topic66926.html

    B4U-Act was founded in 2003.6 Michael Melsheimer, who served a three-year prison sentence in New Jersey for sexually assaulting a teen-age boy.

    Eric Anderson was practically run out of his previous University, Bath because they did not like his research. However, it is best when it comes from the horse’s mouth:
    http://oxfordstudent.com/tag/eric-anderson/

    • Professor Eric Anderson

      I think it’s absolutely hilarious that misfit 44 has been cataloging/following me for a few years now! Of course he entirely misinterprets, makes up, and takes matters of out of context; but what’s funny is that it would seem that this straight-laced homophobe goes to bed with me, an openly gay professor, on his mind every night! One has to love the irony in that.

  • mike

    spooning? Have we gone back to the Edwardian days!????

  • Sceptical thinker

    Anderson’s so-called “research” is based on his conversations with a few carefully selected teenagers in the college bar. I don’t call that research. He’s got no academic qualifications.

    • Professor Eric Anderson

      Em. No. My research is based on 40 interviews from athletes at one university; and were conducted sober. Email me and I’ll send you the article.

  • Stephen

    Is there any story too trivial for this useless website to publish?
    Clearly not.

  • misfit44

    What
    kind of researchers are Anderson et al who by interviewing 40 wet
    behind their ears men can extrapolate their “findings” to
    equalling 93% of the male population? The question is how much
    drink did they pour down the young men’s throats to come
    up with this kind of moonbattery. I also wonder how much both
    Winchester and Durham Universities are paying these two who are
    apparently at the the cutting edge of their fields?

    If
    anyone of you also have some research project that will advance the
    sum total of human knowledge, like collecting car or train numbers,
    why don’t you too apply for lectureship at Winchester University?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1xYMiOk1E

  • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

    There are several things wrong with this research, in my opinion.

    Firstly, the group is too small to be an accurate reflection of society. Attitudes change from social setting to generation to environment. What 40 students at Oxford think will be COMPLETELY different to what 40 men in Birmingham think.

    Second, interview-based research has long be criticized and dismissed as being wholly unsuitable when discussing sexuality, religion or politics – and several other subjects too. There are numerous examples of completely false opinions being presented during an interview-based study.

    One such example was a series of studies conducted in the 80′s in which US prison inmates were interviewed about their sexual experiences. The government wanted to know about the prevalence of sexual activity, specifically violent activity, in prisons. The method used was an interview, and the studies continued even after it was discovered that inmates believed they would get preferential treatment from the guards and staff if they told them “what they wanted to hear”. Others didn’t trust the interviewers and lied, because they didn’t believe that their truthful responses would not be used against them. Anonymity is key when researching any of these sensitive subjects.

    Ultimately, many of these studies were rejected in the 90′s as being wholly flawed, even though several US agencies, Universities and groups STILL use and quote the false data gathered through those examples when they see fit.

    I have read the results of an anonymous study of heterosexual men and sexual activities produced in the last ten years that seems to contradict the suggestions in this study. The vast majority of heterosexual men reject “romantic intimacy” with other males and view such as “more gay” than merely sharing a sexual experience.

    I would be interested in seeing more research in this (believe me, we NEED more study in the fields of sexuality and gender) but everything I have read tells me that the numbers are significantly different to those being presented here, with more than 80% of heterosexual men having experienced a sexual act with another male, and the majority rejecting the notion of male intimacy.

    Basically, the information I have seen suggests that something around 80% of heterosexual men have or do enjoy the most “vanilla” of sexual acts with other men, but they do not associate this at all to any form of romantic attraction or intimate relationship with other men, they don’t even view it as being sexual in nature the majority of the time – they see it as an extension of male friendship and camaraderie without any thought given to intimacy or sexuality.

    • Professor Eric Anderson

      Hey Bloke Toys,

      I wrote earlier that this is PinkNews self-created (and irresponsible) title. They did not consult me about doing a story on my research. My research is on 40 teamsport athletes of various sports in one locale. Although, the particular finding has been found in many, many other studies I’ve done in both the US and UK, again on teamsport athletes. None of these studies are designed to claim precisely what percent of the population at large, nor even of teamsport athletes, have spooned with another man: but if one were to appropriately survey athletes for this I think it would be fairly high (as in above 80%).

      If you want to read more about how young straight men, particularly athletes, do view bromances, and tactility and even sexuality with other men I’ve got a book coming out on it based on hundreds of interviews and multiple surveys. It’s called 21st Century Jocks.

  • misfit44

    Anderson, claims to be sociologist in the department of sports studies at the university of Winchester.

    It seems that his scientific research would lead him to going beyond a mere dispassionate observer, able to blind us with PIE charts, and other moonbat statistics. His is a more hands on approach.

    He gave a lecture at Oxford University in 2011 and this is how it was reported in the “Oxford Student:”

    ‘When it was suggested that Anderson is a sexual “predator”, he said “yeah” and laughed. Anderson claimed to have had had sex with “easily over a thousand people”. He said: “I like sex with 16, 17, 18 year old boys particularly, its getting harder for me to get them but I’m still finding them….I hope between the age of 43 and the time I die I can have sex with another thousand, that would be awesome, even if I have to buy them, of course, not a problem, you pay for all kinds of entertainment and pleasure.”

    When asked whether he thought he had taken emotional or physical advantage of some of the thousand people he had slept with, Anderson replied that …….. “The damage that’s caused by child molestation is socially constructed by the western world;” he contrasted this to other cultures where children engage in sexual activity with adults as a rite of passage.

    He said that he and his boyfriend like to travel on cruise ships because “it’s like sex tourism, which is just amazing” and “I always screw the dancers”. He went on to say “we stop at a different port every night, go to a gay club every night and have sex with people….you don’t need to know their names”.’

    http://oxfordstudent.com/tag/eric-anderson/

    As I have stated his being signatory to the B4U-ACT paedophile group’s letter to Harvard university should be a cause for concern that goes way beyond questioning his self -serving methodologies.

    http://www.psychforums.com/paraphilias/topic66926.html

    • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

      You missed out a very important part of this article from Oxford Student, conveniently –

      “In response to criticism of his lecture, Anderson said: “I only advocate
      for willing sex between two people of legal age. When asked about the
      age of consent, I responded that I thought it was “about right.” I
      advocated for casual, consensual sex only.”

      The part that you highlight was taken out of context and you have used it to attempt to paint him as a molester. It’s clear, if you actually read the entire article, he was giving his OPINION on how attitudes are different depending on the social environment and the society in which they occur.

      I happen to believe that his position is wholly wrong, but this is an expressed opinion on a complex issue that should not simply be ignored or rejected because some idiots can’t tell the difference between debate and actions.

      • misfit44

        Bloke Toys.co.uk. as you rightly quoted, Anderson said , “I only advocate for willing sex between two people of legal age. When asked about the age of consent, I responded that I thought it was “about right.” I advocated for casual, consensual sex only.”
        When you say that Anderson was merely giving his OPINION and that his actions did not follow from these, this this does not sit well with what he said during the lecture:

        ‘When it was suggested that Anderson is a sexual “predator”, he said “yeah” and laughed. Anderson claimed to have had had sex with “easily over a thousand people”. He said: “I like sex with 16, 17, 18 year old boys particularly, its getting harder for me to get them but I’m still finding them….I hope between the age of 43 and the time I die I can have sex with another thousand, that would be awesome, even if I have to buy them, of course, not a problem, you pay for all kinds of entertainment and pleasure.”
        These are not opinions but a boasting of his sexual conquests.

        It seems to me that he treats boys as commodities to be bought and sold; and if he is a proud signatory to the B4U-ACT group who would clearly be lobbying for the age of consent to be dropped considerably lower, tell me which countries is he professing to be travelling to when the article says “that he and his boyfriend like to travel on cruise ships because “it’s like sex tourism, which is just amazing” and “I always screw the dancers”. He went on to say “we stop at a different port every night, go to a gay club every night and have sex with people….you don’t need to know their names”.
        These are not opinions but a record of his behaviour.

        What is the legal age of consent in these countries, and what does he mean by consent?

        The article goes onto to say,
        “When asked whether he thought he had taken emotional or physical advantage of some of the thousand people he had slept with, Anderson replied that he thought that team sports were “more damaging” to adolescents than sex.”….Clearly he sees rugby and American football as being more damaging than adults having sex with children.

        Edmund Davison of the OxStu comment team wrote,

        “Anderson’s academic arguments did not mask his flawed moral views. His argument rests on the belief that in essence everyone is the same as he is but is impinged from showing it because of social customs and archaic institutions. To claim “the damage caused by child molestation is socially constructed by the western world,” reeks of hypocrisy.”

        Edmund Davison goes onto say,

        “So whilst we must remain open to hearing unconventional views and challenging our entrenched stances on certain social issues, there can be little place in the LGBTQ cause to one so polemical and morally questionable. Sexual diversity and exploration can be great things but when expressed in a context to lambast other institutions, we must be wary of adopting such radical views.”

        .

      • misfit44

        It seems to me Bloke Toys. co. uk that you are the one who cannot tell the difference between debate and action. And tell all the children who have been molested in those countries like Papua New Guinea for whom paedophilia and pederasty are a right of passage, that these are complex issues. Try saying this to any of the boys molested by Cyril Smith, Jimmy Savile, Jesuits, Head teachers, Scout masters and those who run so-called care homes. I can tell you that they, unlike you, do know the difference between opinion and action.

    • Professor Eric Anderson

      Hey Bloke Toys, don’t bother arguing with him, he just goes further into some warped rabbit hole. But do take delight in the fact that he is absolutely head-over-heels obsessed with me, a gay man. It’s funny how obsessed homophobes can become with gay sex. He will go to bed fuming tonight, and you’ve got to delight in that!

  • Truth

    Something I’ve ALWAYS believed:- without the various societal and religious ‘taboos’ of homosexuality, far more people would indulge. Without ‘taboos’, there would be no homophobia. Native Americans had no such Judeo-Christian gay taboos and treated EVERYONE with respect and equality. Perhaps that’s why the founders of ancient civilisations and of the Abrahamic religion introduced the gay taboo. If you are struggling for power and control, to make your ‘tribe’ the biggest and most successful, you need lots and lots of ‘cannon fodder’. Outlaw anything which wastes ‘seed’ and force people to procreate – you achieve your goal.

  • misfit44

    Well, well, Truth, you have hit the nail on the head. Encourage British men to waste their seed, as you put it with buggery and encourage our women to lesbianism, abortion and eschew having babies and what do we get? Muslims out- producing us, and allowing Britain to become a Sharia state in twenty or less years.
    Whilst we become sterile, Islam is growing in leaps and bounds. They must love you and will I am sure, one day, show their appreciation.

    • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

      Oh misfit, you have an appropriate name, but you really should be seeking psychiatric help for your delusions.

      Sterility? “Turning” people gay and lesbian? “Wasting seed”? You sound more like a fanatical Muslim than any Muslim I ever met! lol

      • misfit44

        Well, Bloke Toys.co.uk I sincerely wish that I were deluded or dreaming.For your own sake you need to discern the difference between me and Islam. I was going to urge you to visit an Islamic country but on second thoughts, all you have to do is wait and Britain will be Islamic very soon, courtesy of people just like yourself.

  • That There Other David

    Watch a group of apes in the wild. Hugging, grooming each other, stroking, many forms of non-sexual intimacy occur between two apes of the same gender. Humans aren’t that different to our wilder cousins. We’re social animals, we gain reassurance from being close to others. Women openly do this all the time if you look around you, so I’m not surprised that straight guys also feel the need to physically express affection for those closest to them. I just wish so many of them weren’t conditioned into thinking there was something wrong with doing so. I think we’d be a happier society for it.

  • misfit44

    Hmmm. “That There Other David.” I think you are being disingenuous. This is not what Anderson and McCormack were saying. They might try to appear to be saying but read their other stuff and you realise that they are encouraging young men to have sex with one another. Spooning sounds like euphemism for sodomy.

    • That There Other David

      Spooning means lying side by side so that your bodies follow the curve of each other to maximise physical contact. That’s all. It’s intimate rather than sexual.

      • Charles

        Yes and you have the other dude’s nice chunky arse pressed firmly against the declivity wherein resides your increasingly hard cock.

        It’s not sexual at all.

    • Liam

      Yes, but you’re obsessed, everything sounds like a euphemism for sodomy to you.

  • darzan

    ..well, I know most men yearn or have actually had sex with another man at some point, even if they call themselves heterosexual until they’re blue in the face!!

  • Charles

    That’s not spooning in the photo. You have to be both facing in the same direction to spoon. Like spoons do, when they fit together in a drawer. Hence the name.

  • Charles

    Studies of teenagers in the USA and Europe show that US teenagers touch each other far less than European teenagers.They hug, stroke, goose, rub, massage and kiss each other very little.

    But they touch THEMSELVES much more: neurotic tics, self-grabbing, scratching and slapping and anxious little gestures are far more common in US teens.

    They’re physically deprived. We’re MEANT to do this. It’s part of being a social animal.

    • Professor Eric Anderson

      Yes, that was very good research conducted by watching French students and American students interact with each other in a McDonalds! Brilliant stuff. I’ve done considerable research on this in the US recently, and I’m finding this reluctance to be tactile with other males is now beginning to change. The US has a ways to go, but it’s moving. Feel free to check out some of that research on my website http://www.EricAndersonPhD.com

      • Charles

        Yes they are getting a lot huggier and not that sad, whack the guy on the arm, as far apart as possible, hugging either.

  • Frank Boulton

    Everyone seems to want to cuddle me but they don’t usually do it dorsoventrally.

  • Michael Murray

    I find it a little strange that the exact same comclusions were published in the exact same journal but there the study was done in a Massachusetts university.Im afraid the professors comments that ” anyone who watched Skins” sounds a little less than the pinnacle of outstanding academia….
    This falls into much the same category as ” 60% of Americans believe in aliens” – Im afraid word spreads fast around a college campus and I would suspect they have been pranked quite frankly

  • Stephen MOLE

    How on earth can you report a survey finding of FORTY people? What piffle.

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