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Christopher Biggins: ‘Bisexuals are not real people and they ruin women’s lives’

  • vversatile

    He really is an arse.
    At his age he should have learnt that everyone isn’t like him and isn’t making his mistakes.

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  • Ra

    Well I hope he does not mind if I place more weight on the professional work done by respected researchers, such as Alfred Kinsey, regarding bi-sexuality. How inane and ignorant to base other’s sexuality on his own self-deceptions and personal experience. Get real!

  • Nick Gomez

    This is a massive overgeneralisation. In a certain situation it could be seen this way, but I think that firstly, someone who comes out later in life can have a good relationship with both their ex and any children. Secondly, bisexuality isn’t just a way for people to hide being gay. For some it and is a useful term for them to help them get to where they are going but not always. There are real bisexual people in the world now and throughout history. Binaries are limiting and not reflective of all people.

    • Eduard

      I agree with you.
      Yet, as there is more and more evidence that extremely homophobic people actually have some level of same-sex attraction, could it be that they are mostly self-hating bisexuals? Their percentage within a population is probably much higher than the percentage of gay people, possibly a majority, which would explain the supremacy of homophobia in our societies.

      • Those who are most homophobic generally have varying degrees of same sex attraction, but as they have not stated that they are bisexual or gay then no one can say which is more prevalent.

        The thing Biggins (and others) ignore is that NO ONE has the right to TELL others what their sexuality is, how they should feel about it or what they should do in the future.

        Quite frankly, this man is no better than the Christian nutters who claim that homosexuality is a “choice”. It’s completely hypocritical and nonsensical for Biggins to claim anything about anyone elses sexuality.

        • Truth

          I don’t think he’s ‘telling’ anyone how to label themselves, is he? He’s just voicing an opinion – probably based on some personal experience. It is my own personal experience that he is probably right. I tried VERY very hard to be ‘straight’ … all the while having gay sex without my various girlfriends’ knowledge. It was only when I fell in love with a male partner that I was comfortable accepting the ‘gay’ label. Before that, I was in denial and did go through a phase of really believing I was ‘bi’. But please don’t lambast me for having an opinion. I’m speaking purely from my own experience and do not seek to judge anyone else …..

          • What?

            But how is this the fault of bisexual people that YOU cheated on your girlfriends and struggled with coming to terms with being gay?

            And yes, compulsive heterosexuality is a real problem but why blame it on a group of people who are not even straight?

      • Steven Gregory

        The prevalence of homophobia is also aided by the internalized homophobia gays and lesbians live with, whether they know it or not.

        I was a discussion at a work conference and it was lunch. Chat was casual, and the subject of equal marriage came up. A guy spoke up and said, “I’m gay and legally married to my husband.” A few words were said, questions asked. The person who broached the topic was quiet. I don’t know where he intended the conversation to go, but I suspect this wasn’t it.

    • sunny20

      I can tell you from experience that none of the straight wives I know or their children have ‘a good relationship’ with their gay exes, sadly. I realise I am generalising but I do know at least 35 women in this situation and only two remain on good terms.

      • Nick Gomez

        That’s a specific number. What do you do that puts you inconstancy with so many in that situation?

        • sunny20

          I belong to a support group for the spouses of gays and lesbians. My figures(which included straight men and women) were slightly out of date, sorry Have just done a check. At the latest count there are 41 women who are/have been married to in-the-closet gays and 13 men married to lesbians.

          • Nick Gomez

            Apologies that was meant to say ‘in contact’ instead on ”inconstancy’. So you say that the majority of people you know do not have good relationships with their ex-spouses who came out but surely the ones with good relationships, largely, wouldn’t necessarily seek out a support group.

          • sunny20

            You make a good point Nick but the people who seek support are always in the position of having just discovered their husbands/wives sexuality. This is a long time before they consider how they will conduct their future relationship. They are always in a state of shock and often in denial about their partner wondering ho they couldn’t have known such an important thing about someone they love.. Some hope to make a success of a mixed orientation marriage but to date I have only seen one attempt that may prove successful. Once the shock wears off there is usually a period of mourning and then both parties try to come to an amicable breakup if only for the sake of the kids (as in the case of a heterosexual marriage) Once a closet gay begins his new life he often wants to deny his old one completely it seems so staying on good terms generally does not appear to be the norm. I appear to be unusual in that I remain on speaking terms with my gay ex but only when we have to be in contact as it is very difficult to trust someone who has consistently lied to you for so many years. I do miss the man I married in good faith and is father to my kids.

      • genjiken

        the numbers you quote have no context. The fact you run a support group means you meet people who have had negative experiences.

        You are equivalent to someone running a support group for the victims of marital battery, telling people that 95% of marriages you hear about involve violence.

        Sorry to say this, you have no grasp of logic, and your perspective is warped.

  • Liam

    ‘Real people’… I don’t even know what to say, what an utter twit. TBH the only time I’d ever heard of him before was Stephen Fry’s ‘Christopher Biggins has up his bottom tonight’ game on QI…

  • How can he still be so presuming after experiencing this same attitute but from the other perspective. From the sounds of it he had people making false assumptions and likely denying his right as a person due to being gay, and now he’s doing the same to another sexuality. What the actual hell.

  • anon

    Never heard of him

  • Rhys

    What a fool. Personally, I see sexuality as a massively fluid thing. I fall in love with the person, not the gender. I don’t think that makes me scared of being a homosexual. Everyone has their preference- it’s one of the mentalities that drives me nuts more than any other, that being a bisexual is being ‘greedy’ or ‘confused.’ I don’t want everyone I set my eyes on.

    • Truth

      I note you label it as a ‘preference’ and not an ‘orientation’. I don’t believe having sex with both men and women is being greedy or confused. I believe it is simply the result of being conditioned by family, friends, upbringing and society in general not to be able to accept the label ‘gay’ for oneself. I’m not judging anyone, by the way. That is just my perspective on the issue having spent years TRYING to be straight … going through the phase of calling myself ‘bi’ before accepting who I REALLY am.

      • TomSatsuma

        Not everyone is you. I know tons of bi people… trust me, they really do enjoy both.

      • MR THOMAS

        Truth, hardly. Why are you saying what has happened to you is the way it is. Sexuality is personal to everyone. Because you now fit in your box does not make it the right size for everyone else.

      • “everybody I know has used heterosexuality as a stepping stone to coming
        out of the closet as gay or bi, so I think we need to have a serious
        conversation about whether heterosexuality exists”

        • what?

          Yes, let’s not treat them like human beings, but attach their genitals to machines, show them some porn, and do some *science* instead. Hypothesis: I am aroused, (only!) therefore I am.

      • Zoltána

        I experienced the opposite. I am bisexual, but labelled myself lesbian for a while because I’d heard many people being prejudiced against bisexuality in this very way.

        Both of our experiences are real. People would rather one be “experimenting” or “bicurious” than completely gay. But when it comes to accepting a stable sexual identity, bisexuality is in some ways perceived by society as a greater threat, so many people feel pressured to “make a choice”.

        • Deb Curnock

          You are brave to claim your identity. Sad that so many gay and lesbian folk think it is a cop-out when it can be the hardest choice, to be out as bi. Or they knock us for not being’out’ enough, when like them we choose to be out in the places that we are accepted. Its just that those places are few and far between.

    • TomSatsuma

      “I fall in love with the person, not the gender”

      I see what you are trying to say, but it DOES kind of imply that gay or straight people only fall for the gender! I.e. anyone’s fine as long as they are the right sex, Haha…

      Everyone falls in love with the person – it’s just that some of us only fall for that person if they are a boy/girl.

      • Rhys

        I understand what you’re saying Tom Satsuma. What I mean by that is that I’m not pre-disposed to finding one gender more attractive than another. If what I see attracts me, then great- for me that attraction happens be they male or female. With regards to what Truth says, when I say preference, that has no bearing on orientation- I know I am orientated to find both males and females attractive- that is my preference (hard to put in words!) But I am not denying that is how I’m wired- I hate when people describe sexuality as a lifestyle choice. However, completely disagree with your notion that it is simply not being able to accept being labelled gay. I came out as gay as I had feelings that I hadn’t had. I then came to accept that I was still actually attracted to members of the opposite sex at the same time. So, really I AM bi-sexual- given that I am attracted to both! The fact that one is male, one is female, to me is incidental.

        • Deb Curnock

          Rhys I sometimes find it hard to imagie being equally attracted to both, as I too am certainly bi, but have more attractions to men. There are so many variations! It’s one reason why I sometimes prefer to just wave the rainbow flag and let people label me as they see fit. One label (bisexual)for all seems rather limiting- it could be an umbrella term, but so often people get the impression that it means the same thing for all of us. The fact that preferences can shift over a lifetime too, can make a label awkward.

  • Rehan

    Oh, Lord – talk about an outbreak of foot-in-mouth. Poor silly old Biggins, I doubt he meant to make what sounds like an absurdly sweeping judgment but he really should know by now that his experience, while perfectly valid, is not necessarily representative of whole swathes of society.

  • Richard

    I’m rapidly losing respect for Biggins. As long as there are those who look down on those who are bisexual within the LGBTQ community then we’re not going to be taken seriously

  • What a complete moron.

  • p

    What does he mean by ruining ‘women’s’ lives exactly. I’ve known women in heterosexual marriages who have run off with other women. Is he suggesting it only happens females because that is a very sexist statement to say. I’ve known guys trying to commit suicide because they have lost there partner to someone of the same sex. Besides sexuality is ridged and does not run horizontally, its fluid. There so many factors involved. This was not a very wise statement from Mr Biggins and it was also a very selfish thing to say. I hope he learns from this before he starts spouting off any more ridiculous statements like this.

  • Fordicus

    Classic example of a quote being taken out of context. Although it could have been more elegantly put, he is talking about his own experience and saying what a terrible thing it is for gay men to be forced into heterosexual relationships by repressive societal norms.

    • Truth


    • That’s a fair point — it is indeed terrible that societal pressure makes people repress their true identity.

      In fact, Biggins’s (alleged) comment is a perfect example of the societal pressure that makes bi people stay quiet.

      Other than that, what does his experience have to do with bi people? We can assume he never pretended to be bi, because if he had he would know how damaging comments like this are.

  • truthdare

    Bisexuals are real people, but they tend to be not honest with their sexuality.

    Bisexuals are not gay and they are not heterosexuals. They should be honest to themselves and to other person as well and not to lie about what they are. There is no excuse if a bisexual man lies to a woman that he is heterosexual, thus he is not.

    Everyone that likes both gender sexually is bisexual and not gay, not heterosexual.
    Let’s forget that Kinsey scale – he was bisexual himself and wanted to define all people bisexuals, like bisexuals often want to do. Bisexuals are 100% bisexuals and it varies only among them, how they act sexually towards each gender.
    Gays are 100% gay and gays like only same sex. Heterosexuals are 100% heterosexuals and heterosexuals like only opposite sex.

    Bisexuals often say “I fall in love with the person, not the gender.”, but naturally that is not the case in love with gays and heterosexuals, who fall in love only with the right gender, because only one gender attracts to gay and heterosexuals. Everyone knows, what gender attracts, even before having sex and sure bisexuals know too that both gender attracts them.

    There should be more openess and truth among bisexuals. That is the only answer. If you are bisexual, try to find bisexual or trans-person as your partner – that is surely best for all. So called “closeted gays” are mostly bisexuals – but would be best for all them to be honestly open with their both boxes at the very beginning.

    • Libby

      Your comments are as offensive as Christopher Biggins.

      Bisexuals lie about their sexuality? Based on what? Closetted people of all orientations lie about their sexuality – that’s what being in the closet *is*.

      Bisexual people should have bi or trans partners? Why, exactly?

      BIsexual people want everyone to be bisexual? I assure you we don’t. Why on earth would we?

      I see that you’re trying to be supportive of bisexuals, but I you’re spreading exactly the same kind of poison that leads to people like Biggins to call us ‘not real people’. PLEASE do not speak for us.

    • You are Stonewall and I claim my £5.

      • Zoltána


    • Zoltána

      “Bisexual or trans-person”

      Er, no. Trans men are men, trans women are women. It has nothing to do with bisexuality.

      Regarding that proportion of trans men or women that are non-operative – you’d be surprised how many monosexuals are not at all hung up on what genitals their partners happen to have.

    • 100%

      Lol, love that part:

      “Bisexuals are 100% bisexuals”
      “Gays are 100% gay”
      “Heterosexuals are 100% heterosexuals”

      So far, so good. But then:

      “Closeted GAYS are mostly bisexuals”

      Haha, NO! Closeted gay men are still gay. Even in the closet words have still meanings.

      Also: Bisexuals are not only attracted to “same” and “opposite”. There is not even an “opposite”, to be honest. Or what gender do you think is opposite of of agender, or bigender, genderqueer, etc.? And it’s not about sex either. Or what do you think is the opposite of intersex?

      The broadest definition of bisexuality is ATTRACTION TO PEOPLE OF MORE THAN ONE GENDER. Because (1) non-binary bisexuals exist and (2) bisexuals can be/are attracted to people who identify outside of the gender binary.

    • 100%

      ” If you are bisexual, try to find bisexual or trans-person as your partner – that is surely best for all.”

      I’ll let my lesbian girlfriend know that it’s “surely best for all” if I break up with her immediately, because … some ignorant person on the internet said so? Otherwise I’d ruin my girlfriend’s life by simply being alive? And in love with her? How terrible of me.

  • Ian Carmichael

    Poor Biggins can’t tell the difference between a bisexual person and a closeted gay man. And seemingly he wants to tarnish others with the same brush of mistakes he made in his life. Pathetic really from someone who should know better.

    • truthdare

      Indeed. Those so called “closeted gays” are bisexuals. No gay man is so stupid that would try to marry/foold a woman.

      • Bikerman

        Oh they are, they really are eg Elton John and me

      • Anna Hayward

        I’m an ex fundamentalist. The fundamentalist churches are full of frustrated gay people and their heterosexual spouses – it’s practically compulsory. And it does tremendous damage to people – both the gay spouse and their straight husband or wife, but people are conned by their churches because they believe they’ll go to hell if they don’t. It can take years to undo the damage of this kind of emotional abuse.

        • Steven Gregory

          I can vouch for this: I believed Jesus could help me to not be gay. Fundamentalists were eager to throw their daughters at me, and not having premarital sex was easy peasy! I highly recommend premarital sex, it would have helped sort things in my situation.

      • sunny20

        Believe me, they do. I was married to one and I know many other women in the same situation.

        • CoraRey

          You do realize you’re not the center of the universe and people have diferent experiences from yours, right?

          • Deb Curnock

            I think sunny is only saying that *some* are gay, unlike truthdare who seemed to be generalising about everyone

  • That There Other David

    This comment doesn’t belong in today’s world. Bisexuals might all in the past have had a wife with a boyfriend on the side. Not so today.

    • Truth

      Forgive me but I’m not quite with you. What do today’s bisexuals have by way of relationships …. if not what you describe above …?

      • That There Other David

        Sorry, should have been clearer. I meant a hidden boyfriend or girlfriend on the side, behind their spouse’s back. That’s what’s changed. These days many are completely open with their partners.

        • Yeah, also some of us are monogamous. It’s almost as if we’re real, normal people. Funny that.

          • That There Other David

            Sorry for the offence. I fully agree with you, even if I do put my foot in my mouth occasionally.

      • Zoltána

        Fact of the day:

        Bisexuals do not need to be seeing all genders at all times. We can have only one partner, we’re just open to whatever gender that partner might be.

        Some bisexuals, like some gay and straight people, are polyamorous and have multiple partners. Those partners will probably have other partners too. That’s fine too.

        In all cases, things work fine as long as everyone is honest, considerate and responsible. Bisexuals, monogamous or polyamorous, are just as capable of that as anyone else.

  • Grace Jackson

    Wow. This is bullshit…

  • D Bird

    I’ve always thought that Biggins was an insufferable little queen. This has just hardened my view. This panders to the uneducated prejudiced belief that sexuality is purely a lifestyle choice and easily flipped between. A true 100% gay man or woman could not just simply choose to jump into bed with someone of the opposite sex. However, someone who is bi’ can. Bi-sexuality is as much a bona-fide sexuality as gay or straight. But then again, I have often thought why have labels at all? As humans we are sexual beings – should it matter that we need a label to identify with? Labels create prejudice, social stigma, social division and separates communities into categories. i.e. “The Gay Community” or “The Trans Community.” Why can’t we be just “A Community” and celebrate all the wonderful varieties therein? But I digress…..

    Maybe Biggins is a relation of Linda la Huges from Gimme Gimme Gimme who said: “There ain’t no bi-sexuals. It’s just greed!”

    • over-hyphened

      Wh-y t-he ra-n-dom hy-p-h-en?

      Do you also write “homo-sexuals” and “hetero-sexuals” like that?

      • D Bird

        Ha Ha. Brilliant! There was I contributing to this thread and then making a very brief and very simplistic political and psychosocial comment on why society still has an inalienable need to sub-divide itself into compartments, categories and labels, and the only salient contribution you can make is to focus in on a misplaced hyphen. Assuming then, oh great grammar guardian, that you are vain enough to come back and check to see if you have been heard, I will capitulate to your obviously superior intellect, and concede that the hyphen was misplaced. In return I would pose one question: Have you ever considered having sex? It will defibrillate your demeanour and does wonders for the complexion.

  • Rumbelow

    I personally don’t believe in gay or straight, I think mist of us are a bit bisexual and if we were left alone and not expected to conform to certain behaviours we would find our own way through life and love without these boring restrictive labels, but that’s just my opinion, take it with a pinch of salt…Christopher Biggins is no authority either.

    • no, not everybody is “bit bi”

      Well, you can also choose to not believe in gravity, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist!

      • Rumbelow

        I said I personally think most people are a bit bi, not all, this can be to a greater or lesser degree.
        I don’t really like the way humanity is divided into these limited and limiting categories of straight/bi/gay/asexual. I don’t believe they are real, they are a convenient generalisation but I don’t think they actually exist. People are way bigger than these categories and usually capable of much more than.

    • Stephen

      So you are no different to people who believe bisexuality does not exist?

      • David H

        I’m with Stephen here. Sexuality is a whole broad spectrum. People are gay, straight, bi – all equally valid AND (more importantly) equally deserving of respect.

        There are also those who simply “experiment” (e.g. gay guy sleeps with a woman/straight woman sleeps with another woman) – who wouldn’t really class themselves as bi. Would it be right to decry them as closet bi? I would say not – but it’s ambiguous.

        If I’m honest, I think we’re all far too eager to pigeonhole. Everyone is attracted to someone (apart from those people who are asexual, and they exist too).

        Lines are blurred. Would a gay couple into BDSM more easily identify with a straight couple into the same thing, rather than a gay couple who weren’t?

        Sexuality is a very complex thing – I’m sure it wasn’t the reason why the rainbow was adopted as a logo for LGBT, but it’s certainly appropriate.

    • Steven Gregory

      But he’s so sexy!

  • Truth

    I totally agree with him. For a multitude of different and complex reasons, some people simply cannot accept the ‘gay’ label for themselves. I’m gay but indulged in sex with women for a large part of my early life, so desperate was I not to BE ‘gay’. Once I learned not to give a flying f**k what anyone thought of me – including my family – I became comfortable witrh my sexuality. If others wish to label themselves ‘bi’ – fine. But …. well, you know the rest.

    • Rumbelow

      Well, seems to me you were bi till you got to being comfortable with being gay.

    • TomSatsuma

      And I say you are just straight but confused and you should just try harder to be with women.

      How is that different from you telling bi people essentially the same thing.


    • Anne Trotter

      I am currently under the (obviously mistaken) impression that I lust after both men and women. Could you perhaps help me pick a defining label for myself that properly addresses this? I would deeply adore having the chance to worship Shakira’s thighs, but I also kind of want to lick Jason Moma’s abdominal muscles. With chocolate sauce. As I must, of course, pick only one or the other to want for the rest of my days, I’m conflicted and confused.

      (This is sarcasm, in that I see absolutely no reason not to have my delicious apple pie and eat buttercream frosted cake too. I’m totally ok with the word greedy – I want it all, thank you Mr. Mercury. If you don’t like a flavor that’s cool for you, but please don’t tell me I have to pick one thing or the other.)

  • Kevin

    I have now lost ALL respect for Christopher Biggins because of this article. As a bisexual, I am offended by this man’s comments. It’s people like him that makes it hard for bisexuals to be accepted within the LGBT community!

    • rapture

      He makes it hard for gay men too, as he does not want us having the same rights as straights, he’s a filthy homophobe.

  • Anna Hayward

    I know a lot of people think they’re bi before coming out as gay (I did) but that’s because we are so brain washed into assuming a heterosexual relationship is the ‘normal’ and ‘right’ thing to do. But some people really are bisexual and Christopher Biggins is showing his ignorance. But the biggest danger of statements like his are that they push people who are maybe unsure about their sexuality to be sure when they are not ready to. At least the bi label enables such people to acknowledge their same sex attraction while they work it out. And if they later realise they’re gay fine, or if they continue to be attracted to both genders, fine too.

  • Roku

    This is the man who also said there was no need for same-sex marriage. I think we can safely ignore him.

  • bidad

    I’ve known exactly what my sexuality was from my earliest recollection. Mostly into women. Also into guys. Beauty is beauty, the gender never really mattered, and I appreciate the difference. My wife thinks it makes me a more compassionate and better lover too, her words not mine. And I grew up in a very liberal and accepting area with many gay and lesbian family and friends, there was never any shame associated with being gay growing up. I simply am not gay. Gay means only liking the same gender, straight means only liking different gender. Neither of those fit because they exclude who I am – someone who likes both same and different gender.

    • Deb Curnock

      Bidad, I love your name!

  • Rehan

    From what I can see on the Big Issue website (which is not much, since this refers to the edition that’s on sale at the moment) BIggins’ contribution is in the ‘Letter to my younger self’ column, in which case it’s more than likely that he’s been misrepresented somewhat by this article, in particular the headline.

    • Staircase2

      Well said

      And the whole tone of what has ensued re comments is mostly based on that misrepresented headline as opposed to even the Pink News article itself…

  • David Greensmith

    Biggins’ decision to use a woman as a beard to hide his homosexuality, leads him to assume that all other people who claim to be bisexual are equally self serving and dishonest. All he’s doing is outing himself as a bigot, and idiot and someone who is prepared to “ruin” a woman’s life if it helps him stay in the closet. Pathetic. Let’s not hear from him again in Pink News, please.

    • sunny20

      He is far from being unique – there are many closeted gays who say they are bi because they cannot face the reality of their sexuality

  • Biguy

    I am a bisexual man, I was born a bisexual man and I will die a bisexual man. I can assure you that i’m not just scared to be labeled gay, hell I am overly proud by the fact i’m not hetero. Seriously, bisexuals are disrespected from gays and from straights,you could argue it’s harder to be bisexual than gay at times!

    • Steven Gregory

      A singer from Denver had a big hit, and then it came out that she was dating the drummer from her band. Everyone here knew her as a lesbian. She finally spoke to a local reporter with the gay paper and said she didn’t expect to fall in love with the drummer, it simply happened. Asked if she missed women, she said that the relationship she was in fulfilled her. She said that other reporters treated her as if, “Oh, you’re bi, you’ll screw anything,” but for her it wasn’t true, she is a one-at-a-time gal.

      I came to understand her bisexual experience. I think the problem with people who don’t is they think “they’re all the same,” and stop learning about you when they hear about your sexuality.

  • rapture

    This creep is invited to stonewall dinners and hiv awareness events , but hs dismissed an entire sexual orientation as well as being anti marriage and an uncle tom mouthpiece for the anti marriage loons. Vile being . I had no idea he was supposed “actor”.

    • Stonewall aren’t exactly big on the whole “bi” thing. I’d really prefer it if they just called themselves a “lesbian and gay” organisation, rather than pretending to speak for us.

      (Also, they actively reject claiming to speak for trans* people, which is fine, but then why are they named after a protest instigated by trans* people?)

      • so much hate for stonewall uk

        Yes, that it taking the crown in terms of being arseholes: naming themselves after after an event that started it all and then exclude the ones who’s bravery and badassery initiated it – trans women!

      • victor lancaster

        well if you don’t like Stonewall, the bisexual and transexual people can doing your own organizations and your own media, including this.

    • victor lancaster

      yes, because stonewall it’s a gay organization and not a bisexual organization.

  • Nathan

    Get’s arsey about being compared to a pedo because of his sexuality, then tells other people their sexuality means they’re not real people.

  • Steven Gregory

    There are gay men who think EVERYBODY is gay or aching to be gay, and its stupid. Biggins makes a fool of himself by limiting sexuality and denying men AND women freedom to love as their nature guides them.

    As for “ruining women’s lives,” that simply gives women no credit at all. I know several women who preface any serious intentions by asking a guy’s attitudes regarding fidelity and cheating. One doesn’t need to be bisexual to ruin a relationship, women are frequently “hurt” by heterosexual men.

    • sunny20

      Women are far more hurt by gay (or even bi) men who aren’t upfront and honest about their sexuality before marrying them and having a family.

      • Steven Gregory

        More hurt than straight men who don’t disclose their other wife, or their girlfriends and other children, or domineering and bullying, or having a family and then getting bored and leaving?
        People hurt each other. Don’t you dare try to pin extra misery on gay and bi men without some serious scientific back-up.

        • sunny20

          I don’t need scientific back up. This situation is not about ‘getting bored’ as straight marrieds may do. Its about being honest from the very beginning of a relationship My situation is far from unique I assure you. It’s just that straight wives do not get their voices heard at all. Please don’t intimate that I am anti gay – that is far from the truth. My gay friends have been among the most supportive since my marriage broke up. But my husband was married to me for 30 years during which time he spent at least the last six of them in a secret affair with another man. We have two adult daughters btw. When he came out to me he initially said he was bi but he eventually admitted he was gay. Just I as cannot imagine what it felt like for him hiding his sexuality neither can you begin to imagine the pain of the lies and deceit of wives and families of secret gays who cannot bring themselves to come out of the closet BEFORE they get married. They can be dishonest to themselves but not to those who share their lives.

          • Steven Gregory

            Actually, I can imagine — there are many books on the subject and I co-wrote write two articles about a married gay men’s coming out group here in Denver. I have spoken with wives who asked that their husbands not end their marriage because at the advanced age, they wouldn’t know what to do. I have spoken to wives whose husband’s secret partners turned bitter called them out of spite to destroy his life. I have spoken to wives who have become friends again with their spouse. I have heard from women whose religion wouldn’t allow them to stop being bitter and damaged.

            You’re not the only one with understanding.

            Did it occur to you that your husband thought he could change and choose not to be gay? Your personal experience is tragic and I hope there has been recovery, but you have tried to make a rule out of your situation, and it is unequivocally anti gay. Perhaps you should reexamine your insistence that gay and bi men hurt women more than straight men. Perhaps you won’t, but that won’t change my mind about it.

          • sunny20

            Thank you for your detailed reply. Here in the UK the whole instance of gay men married to straight wives is less known than in the States. We have access to the US books.There are none written specifically from the UK POV sadly. Straight wives I know are in the main very sympathetic to their gay husbands quandary. Most of the ones I am in cotnact (ranging in ages from late 20s to mid 60s’s do separate, unless there are specific issues regarding the children of the marriage, and begin to lead new lives and their gay husbands find new partners too. In fact unlike your experience of older straight wives in the US the older the wife here, the more likely she is to want a separate life from her gay husband and the only thing that may prevent this is lack of financial security.

            You can think I am taking an anti gay position but you’d be wrong and this is a very judgmental attitude as you don’t know me at all

            No it never occurred to me that my husband thought he could change and choose not to be gay. Why would it? i had no idea at all that he was gay. He managed to lead a secret life for so long with another man that it leads me to believe that is what he wanted to be but at the same time didn’t want to extricate himself from hiding behind the marriage, which eventually came at great cost to my daughters and myself. He is now fine, happy in his new gay relationship. i have a new partner but the wound of long term deceit which made me question my femininity for a long time, runs deep. concerned.

            Breakdowns in straight marriages which may lead to the extension of a family generally appear to allow children of to continue to continue to build their parental relationships. From what I have witnessed here with others in the same situation as myself our(adult) children, while accepting their father’s sexuality cannot accept that they have led lives of lies and deceit, even though this may have been due to the fear of homophobia.

            Personally i find gay men who have come out while they are young, knowing that homophobia stalks them, to be most honourable.

            Getting back to the point you seem so angry about. As I have tried to explain at the end of my previous post. Gay or bi men should be honest to their prospective female partners and not tie them into an emotional partnership if there is any suggestion that they cannot fulfill a meaningful sexual relationship. It is unfair and very painful to miss out on this essential part of a marriage.

            BTW you look very cute in your picture :-)

          • Steven Gregory

            Thank you for the compliment.

            My wife Lucy was the one who asked me if I was gay, even though I had never been romantically involved or physically intimate with a man. I was raised in church, church schools, and we met in Bible college. We were both virgins.

            Then we moved to Denver. Lucy got a job in “the real world” (not at a church) and brought co-workers to the house. They clocked me as gay right away and eventually told her their perceptions. I thought my “normal guy” cover was intact and undetectable.

            I look back on all the complements I received in church from older men
            and women about how I must be a hit with the ladies and I must break
            girls’ hearts, and how constantly such comments came. I suspect they
            were attempts to encourage my un-gay-ness. At our Bible college, a single girl was not allowed to ride in a car with a single guy, another girl had to go along. On a couple of occasions teachers said it would be okay for me to take a girl to her dorm. It’s as if they were acknowledging I couldn’t possibly be a sexual threat. Oh hindsight.

            I didn’t “want” to be gay, I wanted to be straight and “normal.” I really believed my desires for men (which I felt all the time since I was a kid) were wrong and could be overcome if I was just good enough and believed… and kept my mouth shut.

            How would a 20-year-old Bible College graduate from a religious family tell his fiance that he had fantasies about men? Why would he if he truly thought he could change and honor her, and had never acted upon his homosexual urges? To this day I love Lucy, she’s awesome, talented and beautiful. She’s one of the first to offer help and the last to dole out disappointment or judgment.

            You mentioned there were no books from the perspective of UK wives. It may be time to tell your story.

          • sunny20

            Thanks Steven for sharing. .A sad story that I hope has worked out well for you and Lucy. I am glad for both your sakes that you were able to be outed early on in your lives and have remained friends. I don’t see it as you having deceived her at all. I don’t think my husband deceived me when we first met but he told me recently that he knew he was ‘different’ from a very young age.We were in our late 20s when we decided to get married. I do feel that he should have at least warned me of the differences back then. I wonder if religion has much to answer for where sexuality is concerned and we are all expected to conform to what is supposed to be ‘normal’

            Yes I could write my story from a UK wife’s perspective but my daughters wouldn’t be happy about it, just yet. It’s only been four years and as I said, it’s still pretty raw for them.

          • David H

            It’s a privilege to learn your background and incredibly good of you to share it. It’s great that you and Lucy are still close and handled what has to be an incredibly difficult situation with such dignity and genuine love for each other.

            The reality of marriage breakdowns is that, more often than not, everyone gets hurt and that’s such a tragedy.

          • Steven Gregory

            Thanks David. We both credit our partners. Her husband Rich saw the video of me playing the violin as she came down the aisle. He has two lesbian sisters and several lesbians and gays in his extended family. He knew Lucy and I had an amiable divorce and encouraged her to invite me. I played violin at their wedding.

            I took my boyfriend Carlo, whom I had dated only a couple of months, and we all hit it off. When they bought a little fixer and had us over for a picnic, Carlo mentioned that in high school and college he worked as a roofer, and we helped Rich, Lucy’s husband, to tear off, re-deck and re-roof their little house and garage.

            That’s when Lucy told me: “If you break up, we’re keeping him.” Our partners introduced humor back into our lives.

            My mom hadn’t spoken to me since the divorce, and she even relented, saying that if Lucy wasn’t upset, she had no grounds. I suspect my mom likes Carlo enough to put up with me, too.

  • Stevie

    Silly old sod’s gone gaga!!!!!!

  • Staircase2

    Shocking twisting of Biggins’ words by Pink News to form a tabloid headline.

    According to your own article, he doesn’t say ‘Bisexuals are not real people’, the meaning is pretty clearly that what he meant is that leading a double life stops people from BEING a real person (ie whole/complete). And by ‘double life’ he’s talking about the enormous strain of being in the closet, not bisexuality per se.

    He goes onto explain his own experience of hiding his sexuality inside a heterosexual marriage while (still clearly) being a gay man.

    While there is a growing (and most welcome) new level of Bi activism sweeping the West and particularly through Social Media, there has to be an acceptance of the experiences of gay men in their contact with so called ‘bisexual men’ in the past.

    It’s simply not right to push those experiences aside as if now is year zero. There HAS been an historic (and sometimes problematic) connection between gay men and those deeming themselves ‘bisexual’ for a very long time and that connection must also be taken into account when detailing, retelling and contextualising that history.

    • It’s not about pretending this is year zero. It’s more about distinguishing between closeted gay men pretending to be bisexual, and then not using them to erase those of us who are actually bisexual. That distinction is still not made often enough and we’re all just called liars and/or fake.

      • Staircase2

        Agreed. But ‘distinguishing between closeted gay men pretending to be bisexual’ has to, by definition, involve talking to ALL men who have sex with men (MSM)

        I disagree that homosexuality or bisexuality can be decided ‘objectively’ completely removed from historic and cultural context.

        There are many men who have chosen to lead an erstwhile ‘straight’ life, married to a woman, who are actually in the closet, regardless of whether they are ‘objectively’ (or even SUBJECTIVELY) ‘gay’ or ‘bisexual’.

        I find the whole current notion of ‘we are ‘real’ bisexuals’ somewhat distasteful and completely out of step with the issues of historic homophobia faced by gay men (in this case) at the hands of both society AND closeted gay/bisexual men.

        Arguably it’s perfectly reasonable to label a man living with a woman who has sex with other men as BEING bisexual regardless of what his ‘natural’ sexuality may be.

        This cannot be conveniently swept under the carpet for the sake of a new broom of activism…

        • Mat

          I totally agree. A friend of Rauschenberg once compared me to him. She described that even the 1950’s there was not merely the heteronormative pressures but homonormative pressures. Guggenhiem for example hated the idea of bisexuality and she was the matron of these1950’s queer artists. Analysizing history on this subject would take great attention to nuance. But I would say there would be a great difference between someone in a liberal art circle and someone who is gay working class or even gay upper class preserving reputation.

        • Guest

          Bigot. That’s pretty much all I have to say to you. “what?” pretty much refuted everything you said.

          • Staircase2

            a) no I’m not and b) no they didn’t…

            READ WHAT I SAID

      • Staircase2

        In terms of ‘erasure’ – while I fully support the drive to eliminate that, we cannot pretend that this erasure has nothing to do with historic invisibility of bisexual men (in particular) which they themselves have largely fuelled by choosing to live an erstwhile ‘straight’ life with all its inherent security and social privilege and (for many) keeping their gay side hidden and secret.

        Similarly I think it wrong that the recent upsurge in bisexual activism seeks to diminish the fact that a bisexual IDENTITY is often a pathway for many gay men in publicly dealing with their own sexuality.

        The subject of bisexuality cannot be seen as separate from the struggles of (in this case) gay men in dealing with and living in a homophobic society hostile to ALL Queer sexual expression.

        • what?

          “‘straight’ life, married to a woman”

          Being in the closet and being married to a woman is not the same thing. Bisexual people can be married to whom ever and b out, as they don’t exist in a bubble in just one point in time and space. We have lives, we have friends, family, co-workes – people who are with us for many years; they see us dating and falling in love with all kinds of people. They knooooow.

          Being in the closet is not equal to having a “straight life”. Straight people have straight lifes, closeted gay or bi people have the emotional impact of being closeted: shame, anxiety, depression, suicide attempts, alcohol and drug abuse, etc.

          “historic invisibility of bisexual men (in particular) which they themselves have largely fuelled by choosing to live an erstwhile ‘straight’ life with all its inherent security and social privilege”

          Translation: Unlike gay men, bisexuals are to blame for their own oppression.

          Google Bisexual Invisibility Report, read it, think about it, be ashamed of yourself to even say such things as “security and social privilege” when the rates for sexual violence, intimate partner violence, drug and alcohol abuse, poor mental health, suicide attempts, poverty, etc. are SKY HIGH.

          “Arguably it’s perfectly reasonable to label a man living with a woman who has sex with other men as BEING bisexual regardless of what his ‘natural’ sexuality may be.”

          No, it’s not. It’s identity policing and it is harmful. Sexual identity is part of who you ARE, not what you DO. Choosing celibacy for example does not make asexual.

          “The subject of bisexuality cannot be seen as separate from the struggles of (in this case) gay men in dealing with and living in a homophobic society hostile to ALL Queer sexual expression.”

          Why has bisexuality to be about gay men? Does it make you uncomfortable when not everything within the LGBT community is about gay men? Why not talk about biphobia instead – coming from straight and queer communities and make both feel inaccessible because bisexuals don’t have “gay” or “straight” sides. Or how about monosexism that creates false binaries, so people feel justified in labeling our lives, relationships, intimacy, us as either gay or straight.

          • Staircase2

            You need to read what I actually said..

            The reason ‘straight life’ is in speech marks is because it is so-called ie a mask

            And as far as completely getting the wrong end of my stick concerning how ‘uncomfortable’ you seem to think I am about the idea of bisexuality, you really do need to READ WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID…

            The reason that the subject of bisexuality cannot be separated from the struggles of gay men (in this case) is simply because society doesn’t have a problem with heteronormativity – the problem is in men having sex with MEN – ie it’s homophobia which is the historic issue – not that they may be having sex with women…

            And as others on here have said, there are of course (and always have been) bisexual men living openly – the discussion regarding the Biggins article is about those living in the CLOSET (gay OR bisexual).

        • Mat

          Historically some bi men have lived straight likely Tomas Mann but other figures like John cage or Robert Rauschenberg lived largely with same gendered partners and said they were attracted and fell in love with their wives both declined a gay identity. And I can name more Proust, Baldwin, Wilde, whitman, Cy Twombly etc. ALL expressed love for both genders.

  • MarkN

    Some people are right-handed, some people left-handed, some people are ambidextrous…..Some people are straight, some people are gay, some people are bi…What’s hard to understand about that?….

  • Brett Gibson

    I think you’ll find it’s probably your face mate that ruins women’s lives. It certainly put a damper on my day. You ugly c*nt.

  • Daniel

    It’s not a “double life” at all. It only becomes that when people are devious/unfaithful. It is wholly possible to be attracted to people of the same sex; whether you act on it is a different matter entirely. Does a gay man act on sexual attraction to a second man if he’s already in a relationship? Does a heterosexual woman act on sexual attraction to a second man if already married to one man? This is just shoring up the stereotype that bisexual men and women are incapable of monogamous relationships.

    • Zoltána

      It’s true that bisexuals can be faithful to one person of one gender.

      It is also entirely possible to be in a non-monogamous relationship and be honest and responsible.

      I want bisexuals like me to be accepted, but it won’t help me or many others if the only way to be accepted is to be monogamous. What matters is being honest and respectful with your partner(s), which bisexuals are just as capable of being, be they monogamous or polyamorous.

  • yumhaggis

    i thought i was bi for a while but then found out that men really weren’t for me, however just because that is my experience doesn’t mean i think that bisexuality doesn’t exist, many people genuinely like both, however i don’t like those people that are bi for attention.

    • Zoltána

      I’m pretty sure that “those people that are bi for attention” are a strawman. I’ve certainly never met one. To be affectionate towards someone you’re not attracted to is very uncomfortable; people don’t normally do it for fun.

      I’ve met bisexuals who are met with attention when they’re affectionate towards the “wrong” gender (generally that means the same gender, but maybe another gender if they’re perceived as gay). Receiving that attention is normally an unwanted annoyance.

      • Staircase2

        I think it’s perfectly reasonable to suggest that ‘Bi for attention’ could be applied to some teens when they’re first exploring their sexuality publicly.

        I can understand how ANYTHING done for attention could be construed irritating lol – even those behaviours which are in themselves otherwise perfectly healthy…

        • leigh

          “Bi for attention” is a stereotype that specifically targets teenage girls, so there is a heavy misogyny at work. Also bi teenage girls are the group with the lowest social support, which is why it is especially important to have their backs and to be welcoming.

        • leigh

          “Bi for attention” is a stereotype that specifically targets teenage girls, so there is a heavy misogyny at work. Also bi teenage girls are the group with the lowest social support, which is why it is especially important to have their backs and to be welcoming.

        • Zoltána

          By the same logic, the majority of teenagers could be regarded as ‘straight for attention’. Exploring one’s sexuality and making sure your friends know about all the sex you’re having is a teenage thing, mostly concerning heterosexual encounters, not a specifically bisexual thing.

  • Paul J

    “I didn’t really understand my sexuality when I was a teenager”. The problem is, Biggins, you don’t understand it now either, so I suggest you keep your mouth shut and stop proving that being a gay Z lister does not make you wise, nor make any of your bizarre opinions worth listening to.

  • Stuart

    Well, Daily Mail-pleasing Biggins went from describing civil partnerships as a ‘mockery of marriage’ in print to entering one himself mere months later and going on to describe them as ‘fantastic’ on a daytime TV show. His black and white views on this matter may alter in time though I won’t hold out for any commendable grains of wisdom.

  • Right-Minded

    Well done to Biggins for speaking up about this, he’s exactly right. These people get far too much attention and coverage – even though its debatable whether they even exist. ‘Bisexuals’ need to stop feigning persecution and stop attention-seekng.

    • Zoltána

      Please, tell me more about my sexuality.

    • Um, people like me don’t just vanish because you stop believing in us. We’re not fairies… at least not that kind of fairies.

    • victor lancaster

      totally agree with you, them only seeking attention.

      • genjiken

        “they are only seeking attention”.

  • Kayjee17

    Wow, I didn’t know that as a bisexual woman that I was “ruining women’s lives” by not just being a lesbian! (Serious sarcasm here).
    I realize that he is painting the world with his own experiences, but HE should realize that, too. I am happily bisexual and am in a relationship with a woman. Does that make me a lesbian? No, because I’m still attracted to men, too. I just happened to meet the right person for me, and she is a woman. If she had been a guy, I would have taken her anyway.

  • Mihangel apYrs

    Biggins is an actor, so why are his views considered noteworthy?

    He’s alos of the generation (a little older than me) who had the tail end of illegality and the old scene.

    Let’s not be too harsh on the old duffer, I’ve heard he’s a nice chap

  • Mat

    I am a real bisexual man who has primarily dated bisexual women. I have also dated gay men, other bi guys, and trans bi men. I prefer dating other LGBT people. And felt the horrible discrimination from straight people and gay men too. Can we end this idiocy. I never hid my sexuality from any woman or person I dated. And have been consistently out as bisexual since 17. Most of the bi guys I know have felt so misunderstood they chose “gay” or “straight” as a label. I experience homophobia just like gay men do even if I am in a relationship with a woman. I am active in my LGBT community. We really need the gay communities support and we deserve to say who we are.

    • nzchicago

      If we have bi people mislabelling themselves as straight or gay to avoid prejudice, and we have gay people mislabelling themselves as bi as a stepping stone to fully coming out, how can we ever get beyond the ridiculously misinformed stereotypes such as what this fool Biggins is spouting? Good on you for being honest.

      • Mat

        Part of the issue is people often don’t actually know. I have met many bi men who basically thought they were straight and some who thought they were gay. I look at straight porn and I am attracted to both men and women in the videos and I discovered this when I saw a hustler mag at around 15. Before that all my fantasies and crushes were on women. I then realized I had crushes on guys too. So I have met bi guys who don’t know till 33 or 50. But for me it was obvious that I had feelings for both genders. Interestingly many of the women I dated were bi and I did not know it when I asked them out i am myseriously pulled toward them. As far as gay men thinking they may be bi and then saying their gay. Well they actually may have some attraction and feelings for women but greatly prefer men.

        • nzchicago

          Well I think there are two separate issues, which too many people confuse. There are definitely some fully gay men who use the bi label out of convenience, fear, or lack of self-awareness, usually when they are younger. I did that myself.

          And there are men who are primarily attracted to one gender, but who have a small amount of attraction for the other. But not enough for them to want to label themselves as bi. Hence all these other terms like fluid, curious, hetero-flexible, mostly straight, etc. I don’t see why the term bisexual can’t be used for those people too, since it doesn’t at all mean 50/50, but there seem to be such a stigma around it.

  • Agtfos

    As a straight man with a lesbian ex wife (I think that makes me a merkin??) I’m going to weigh in here.
    Firstly, I’m sure that there are a number of bisexual men and women out there, who find the judgement of their nature by others (on both sides of the fence) problematic to deal with. Ladies and Gents, you have my sympathy, and provided that I have your honesty, in return you have my respect.
    But you have a big problem caused by closeted gay men. In my experience in dealing with the straight wives, 90% of their closeted husbands play the ‘bi’ card at some point. A few (very) of them do it at the beginning of a relationship, but by far the majority do so whilst stumbling awkwardly out of the closet, whilst at the same time avoiding their wife’s genitalia like the plague. Or running screaming to the shower to frantically scrub themselves in the ‘afterglow’, should they actually manage to ‘do their duty’.
    These guys are about as bi as I am bicycle.
    Ok, so they are confused, but their bi period seems to coincide with their determined pursuit of exclusively, men. So, as far as the straight spouse organisations are concerned, this is a smokescreen, another form of gas lighting, in short, a lie.
    Bi now, gay later in our experience.
    Confused and unfamiliar with the gay scene, the wife will swallow this extra lie in the hope that everything will be ok.
    It’s just another level of abuse. As well as using the wife as a beard, the closet husband is using the whole bisexual community as a goatee.
    It stinks.
    To be fair to the lesbian wives, once they make up their minds, they are gone. They don’t play the bi card openly (they just cheat), so don’t do as much damage to the concept of bisexuality.
    And to those who say ‘well, straight partners cheat..’ The answer is yes, they do, but when found out they can decide to stop or decide to leave, and though the cheated wife might be left asking ‘what has she got that I haven’t’ the answer isn’t ‘a cock’. A straight cheating partner can leave you questioning your self worth for a while, but at least you know that they did fancy you! whereas a gay ex is poison to every single moment and memory.
    I have no problem with anyone being, gay, bi, unsure, or anything else, provided that they are honest with me. That at least gives me the opportunity to say, thanks but no thanks. Because for me, if you’re not straight, I’m not interested.
    That’s not being judgemental, that’s being choosy, and that is my right, as it is everyone’s.


  • RG

    Ah, the classic “you’re just saying you’re bi because it’s more acceptable,” whilst shunning bisexual people in the same breath. Anyone for a game of ‘spot the irony’?

  • Lion in Winter

    I think the question is: can a bisexual fall in love with one person, or does s/he need both genders at once to feel complete? Polyamoury (sp?)may be fine so long as all parties are informed, but sooner or later, most people want to be in mutual love with someone. That’s where some people end up getting hurt.

    • leigh

      I dunno, can a gay man fall in love with a bear or does he need to be with a bear and a twink at once? Can a lesbian fall in love with a butch woman or does she need to be with a butch and a femme at once? Are they greedy, can they really be monogamous, do they even have real feelings? Gee… are they even real humans who can be super diverse?

      • Lion in Winter

        You aren’t addressing the fact that for mutual love to exist, two people usually omit contact with others to form a relationship of their own. Your comment speaks to those who are single and weighing their search options.

        • Morgan

          What? Men and women are search options for bisexuals. Everyone, of any sexuality, has a vast range of options available to them. Let’s leave gender out of it altogether – lets say you’re capable of being attracted to both fat people and thin people, or both blondes and brunettes, or bothleft handed and right handed people. If you’re in a relationship with a skinny person, is your life incomplete unless you have a fat person on the side? If your partner has brown hair, are you automatically going to cheat on them with the first blonde who comes along? Does your left handed partner have to live in the constant fear that you’re going to leave them for a rightie? Or do those seem like weird and kind of moronic questions that you’d be surprised to b
          be asked and confused to be asked *constantly*?

          Because that is literally how relevant gender is to me, personally. If I’m with a man, I’m about as likely to cheat on him for being male as I am to cheat on him for being ginger – which is to say, vanishingly bloody unlikely. If we break up it’s just as likely that my next partner will be a man as that they’ll be a woman. I don’t cheat habitually, I don’t alternate strictly, I don’t need both at once to be satisfied. I love who I love. I just have a bigger pool of potential love interests to draw on than someone who’s exclusively gay or straight and I really don’t understand what’s so damn difficult for some people to grasp about that. Someone’s capacity for monogamy or for fidelity is totally separate from what gender(s) they’re attracted to.

          And for Pete’s sake, of course bisexuals are capable of being in love with one person at a sodding time. It’s just that that person could be a man OR a woman. It doesn’t have to be a man AND a woman, any more than you (presumably) need a blonde AND a brunette. (Of course, there are some bisexuals who monogamy doesn’t come naturally to. But rhe same is true of some gay people and some straight people).

          What is so difficult to understand about this?

  • Lynnette PurpleRain McFadzen

    Yes PinkNews, there are worthy things to write about. This took up valuable space and gave this person free publicity. Let’s try some more positive bisexual articles again. Shall we?

    • victor lancaster

      PinkNews is a gay media, if the bisexuals dont like this, you can created your own media.

      • Funny, the link at the top of the page says “Get the latest LGBT headlines straight to your inbox with our free daily newsletter”

        Last I checked, that “B” standed for Bisexual, gaybro.

        • victor lancaster

          Gaybro?, when you and us fighting for the same rights?

          • genjiken

            what “us” are you talking about, a small, but disproportionally noisy subset of gays, who think they have something to gain by slagging off marginalised groups? misled into thinking their pathetic anecdotal experiences add up to insight or even wisdom. you are one sad human being.

          • victor lancaster

            I think is more sad, feeling rejected for both sides.

            Small? how many people back your cause?

            No matter if you are gay or straight for all of us bisexuality is just a phase.

          • genjiken

            just a phase? as that is evidently untrue, you simply compound the stupidity which saturates every comment you make.

            You believe that truth is somehow proportional to the amount of people who “back the cause”. Again, you demonstrate a complete absence of common sense.

        • victor lancaster

          The problem in here, is that you and us do not believe in the same issues, and we do not want stay together.

          • Yeah wow you got me there, somehow deducing my entire political perspective off of a single snarky retort.

          • victor lancaster

            The ex-gay groups are really bisexual people defended sexual-fluid theory and queer theory.

            !!!Band of hypocrite!!!

          • Interesting that you’re willing to try to undermine the seriousness of how horrible and unethical gay “conversion” therapy is to make some hokey point.

            Anyway, you don’t know anything about what you’re talking about bro. In real life, known bisexuals have been documented as being treated even more harshly by conversion “therapy” than gay folks under the guise that they “were halfway there” and still found just as little success trying to convert them.

            Nice erasure of a tragic part of LGBT history and condoning/apologizing for an actual enemy of both of us. Definitely starting to agree that we aren’t on the same side.

          • victor lancaster

            the homophobic ex-gay group leader Michael Glatze, defends the bisexuality, the sexual fluid and queer theory, as a way of get away of homosexuality.

          • What are you even babbling about? Michael Glatze is a converted homophobic Mormon now and very unlikely to be endorsing queer theory or bisexuality like he did in the past when he was an LGBT activist.

            You’re just making stuff up now. *yawn*

          • victor lancaster

            read the new york times interview released in 2011.

            called “My Ex-Gay Friend”.

          • genjiken


          • victor lancaster

            LGBT history?, when it happened this?, because checking the homophobic history I only found anti-gay laws, course you stayed living the wonderful heterosexist life.

          • Um yeah, at literally no point in my adult life would would I ever have been considered “heterosexist”. I’ve worked and performed at lesbian and gay bars and events, been active in the community, and donated my name, time and money to many causes…

            Meanwhile you’re claiming to be unaware of what gay conversion therapy is, a brutal form of torture usually involving electroshock that’s been used to supposedly “turn gay people straight” and has traumatized thousands of gay and bisexual youth at the behest of disapproving parents.

            And yeah, I grew up in Texas… you know, where being gay was illegal until
            2003. I’d had several relationships with other consensual adults that I
            could have been arrested for. So um I’m probably more familiar with “anti-gay laws” than you, especially since you don’t seem to know anything about anything.

          • victor lancaster

            you know that people behind the therapies and the anti-gay laws are bisexuals living a double life.

            !! YOU ARE THE ENEMY !!

          • genjiken

            Why did you steal the name Lancaster. Why have you stolen a homosexual identity. Why have you stolen that photo. If you weren’t so obviously illiterate, I’d take a guess that you were Christopher Biggins, who’s opinions obviously resonate so much with you. But even the idiot Biggins can knock together a reasonably intelligible sentence in English.

            Come on, where are you really from.

          • That literally makes no sense. What in the world would/or do bisexuals gain from homophobia?

          • victor lancaster

            not matter what you do, if you’re bisexual, you’re not serve against homophobia.

            is so difficult to understand? that only visibility of homosexuality works against homophobia.

          • You don’t even know what sort of relationship I’m in currently or how *visible* any aspect of my life is.

          • genjiken

            You’ve taken an english name, but your writing is clearly not that of an englishman. Is that your photo or have you stolen that, are you even gay, or is this identity completely fabricated? I suspect your spite is borne of sexual frustration, you target bisexuals because in your twisted ignorance, we represent the antipathy of you failed existence.

            You are not worthy of the name Victor, I call you FAIL.
            Your use of the name Lancaster is an insult to every Englishman who has a right to that name.
            You are not a homosexual.
            You have no opinions of any value whatsoever.
            Your experiences, are a concocted, hateful fiction.

          • genjiken

            the problem here is you, and every other illiterate, ignorant, uneducated, incoherent fool, who shares your opinion.

          • victor lancaster

            that is a reaction from a intellectual person, however you avatar is a dog, maybe this is the way in which you identify.

          • genjiken

            my dear, a little life experience teaches we are all dogs. what separates us is some of us are potty trained, some of us have respect for fellow human beings, some of us refuse to judge others based on their sexuality.

          • genjiken

            i very much doubt a dog was ever born, which possessed as little respect for a fellow creature, as you have demonstrated in your hateful, inciteful comments.

            Only a human being of the worst possible stock, could enjoy trolling, in the pathetic manner you demonstrate. You are not worthy of man or dog. You are a sickening insect, like one of those flies who subsides on excrement.

        • victor lancaster

          what you doing in here? you don’t fighting for same sex couples rights, oh yes you only seeking sex.

          • Seeking sex? Pretty sure this website isn’t Grindr, bro. I’m sure you must find that confusing.

          • genjiken

            what is your problem, projection? stupidity? drugs? foxtrot oscar back to your beer glass, idiot.

          • victor lancaster

            I sure, you must be a expert in that issue.

        • victor lancaster

          i only care the gay news in this page, you should see the logo of PinkNews “europe´s largest gay news service”.

          • “i only care the gay news in this page”

            color me unsurprised

      • genjiken

        20,300 mentions of the word bisexual.
        17,200 mentions of the word trans.

        your argument is invalid. generally speaking you are ignorant and bigoted in the extreme.

        • victor lancaster

          say what you want, you never shalt thou be a subculture,
          without legitimate cause, just sex.

          • genjiken

            no. not that i ever aimed to be a subculture anyway. right now the only aim i have is to help mankind identify stupidity like yours at an early age, so some kind of remedial action might be attempted.

  • victor lancaster

    The heterosexism in the society does not allow you to many people accepting that prefer staying with another person of same sex, for my own experience i know that is true.

    • genjiken

      the credentials you posses from all your experience, is equivalent to the scholarly credentials of a turd in a blocked lavatory in cambridge university. it might been close to the answers, but its still just a turd, and always will be.

      • victor lancaster

        if I just base in my experience, why? the same story always repeated.

        • genjiken

          your experience is a fabricated lie, like your photo, like your name.

          • victor lancaster

            i am a lie in the wed, but you are a lie in the real life.

            the only bisexual visibility is this: ” bisexual now, gay or straight later”

            !! YOU ARE THE LOSER !!

          • genjiken

            You are a thief.
            You’ve stolen a British identity, you are obviously not British.
            You’ve stolen a photo of another man for your avatar, I expect you are rather decrepit.
            You’ve stolen ideas of others, and twisted them into an incoherent melange.

            I can call you a loser, based on the evidence of trolling, spite, and your inability to construct even the simplest of sentences.

          • victor lancaster

            I wish to apologise with you, I know you are sad.

            you believed in Tom Daley and Jessie J, It doesn’t matter, they not will be the first or the last, this history always repeats again.

          • genjiken

            your comment is as revealing as it is stupid.

            it reveals you are an infant, still a pup, someone of your young years should not be so quick to make sweeping generalisations.

            it also demonstrates you have the I.Q of a stale pop tart. as no reference to a teenager and a twenty something is going to contribute to a conclusion on the existence of bisexuality.

            if you are intent on a career trolling, try doing it in your first language, i pray you have command of that, as your incoherent English is an embarrassment.

  • victor lancaster

    when you are bixeual, you always need a justification ” yes I like men, but i like girls too”.

    • genjiken

      absolute nonsense

  • victor lancaster

    Being gay is not a label, bisexuality is a label, because is a discovery phase.

    • genjiken

      ignorant loser.

      • victor lancaster

        Ignorance is believing in something temporary.

        • genjiken

          ignorance is what is expressed in every comment you make

  • CHBrighton

    He comes across as a mixed up idiot. Gay man Biggins was married to a woman for three years in the 70s before he found strength to come out as his true gay self. Lord knows what was going through his head when his preferred political party, the Conservatives, foisted Clause 28 on us. He was against equal marriage until it became a reality and then moved to the other side, attending celebratory events and saying how wonderful it all was. Why he is given any credence for anything he says?

  • Andy Gunn

    wait… Im not real?! am i gonna fade from reality back to the fUtUre style :'(

  • Europa25

    I think Chris has a very valid point, and something I’ve wanted to say something on similar lines about for a long time.
    In Brighton, we have endless reams of men sudeenly coming out in their late 40s/50s and leaving the wife and family.
    I’m sorry, but it wasn’t that hard to come out 20 odd years ago, and of course it leaves the partner with a fearful future after raising a family / crucial point in life, and a family that have to adjust to a totally new way of thinking very quickly.
    I’ve met up with many bi married men over the years, not one of them was remotely interested in safe sex, and they were always the passive partner. Scary.
    That doesn’t seem to change when they do (if they do) come out.
    I realise they have a ‘choice’ to an extent, but I also feel many are very duplicitous in their behaviour, sense of community and loyalty to anyone/anything.
    One minute some of them are on the scene, full on, the next they are with a woman , and then back on the scene when they get ‘tired’ of ‘being straight’.
    I feel for many of them, but many don’t seem to want to show any sense of commitment in any form for anyone or anything as they don’t know what they fancy doing from one minute to the next.
    It’s the ones that have a wife or girlfriend, and constantly seek one night stands/sexual partners of the opposite sex that make me shudder at the consequences.
    I’m sure than many of these poor women don’t want to wake up with a host of STI’s, let alone something life threatening, especially when there are children involved, and so in perspective, I don’t believe Chris is describing all bisexuals per se, but a broad group of them who are able to ‘perform’ with either sex, but choose to mess around with people emotionally, healthwise, and probably financially in the long run.
    Well said Chris, people shouting from the rooftops are probably the ones who protest too much trying to conceal or diminish this kind of behaviour

    • genjiken

      Newsflash, on the subject of sexuality, morality, sociology, psychology, your experience adds up to nought. I can state that with complete assuredness based on the intellectual vacuum, of which your comment is the perfect illustration.

      And while you might be have spent a few more years in Brighton than I have, you obviously have learnt nothing of the diverse, non judgemental, loving culture which we celebrate here, and i’d like to strongly suggest you foxtrot oscar and find somewhere more appropriate to live!

  • Sean Dewey

    now that’s not like Christopher – he had such a nice personality and he goes and says something hurtful and cruel to the bisexual community. i’m gay but i have respect for everybody and that includes bisexuals. i think Christopher needs to stop judging the book by its cover because the only way people like him are going to understand is if they read whats inside the book to understand.

  • CoraRey

    I’m a bi woman and I know many awesome bisexual men. I would have no problem dating one. Every man, gay or straight, should shut his ignorant mouth before he uses women’s experiences as a way to justify his biphobia. The truth of the matter is a lot of these biphobic gay men have a “us vs them” mentality and are irked by the idea of someone who’s not fully on “their team”.

  • SyntheticPhylum

    Last time I checked, I certainly existed! *Pokes self in the tummy* Yep! Still here, and still bisexual!

  • genjiken

    Of course there is no better judge of character than this talentless, morally bankrupt, obese clown.

    If you think you can absolve yourself of deceit and years of moral failing by scapegoating bisexuals or any other group, your opinion is worthless.

    Regarding other comments which concur with this idiot, I’d like to state what should be obvious to someone with an education. Years spent “in the scene” or married to a closeted gay, does not grant you any authority on bisexuality whatsoever, nor does it mitigate what is simply opinionated, loud mouthed ignorance.

    I strongly suggest Stonewall distance themselves from this prejudiced, divisive nut job, lest they find themselves in the same historical dustbin as this gameshow host.

  • genjiken

    the gay friendly bigotry that is rampant here, is just heartbreaking.

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