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UK: Judges criticised for refusing to deport Jamaican killer over claims he’s gay

  • Mumbo Jumbo

    To be clear, the Home Office fully accepted the decision that a gay person cannot be deported to Jamaica as this would clearly be a breach of their human rights.

    However, in this particular case, they simply did not believe him to be gay and appealed solely on these narrow grounds.

    Following careful examination of the evidence and interview with the man and his family, the court, however, did believe him and therefore refused the appeal.

    • Serkan M

      What about the peoples rights? The right for people in this country to walk around in safety without the possibility of an attack from this murderer?

      What about the rights of the boys family since they are the real victims here. He should have thought about deported before committing the crime. Not to mention he is an ILLEGAL MIGRANT. Our justice system is destroyed.

      • Sister Mary Clarence

        That’s why he was sent to prison in fairness – to pay for his crime and purportedly to rehabilitate him.

        You reap what you sow in this world, and Britain in no small part is responsible for exporting homophobia bred through religious intolerance to scores of countries around the world, and now we are seeing the fruits of our labours.

        I don’t in any way condone what the guy did, and 10 years for taking someone’s life isn’t anywhere near enough in my view but if we had maybe done a bit more to ensure that the parts of the world we had influence over where a little more humane to gay people we wouldn’t be where we are.

        • Serkan M

          But you cannot change the past so we should change the laws now for the present and the future.. End of.

      • “What about the peoples rights?”

        The same rights people want to remove from people who have served their punishment for a crime they committed in their youth?

        No one believes that this guy should be given any preferential treatment, and most would probably agree that ten years was not long enough of a term. But, we have Human Rights laws for a reason, that is to protect EVERYONE from unfair abuse, torture and barbaric punishment. You cannot possibly selectively choose when to apply these laws and when to ignore them.

        If we start arbitrarily rejecting basic Human Rights based on the degree of the crime or the individual involved we may as well scrap the entire notion of Human Rights agreements and go back to slum prisons, death penalties, torture and everything else we rejected as a civilized country.

  • Serkan M

    Im sorry, but this murdering thug needs to be deported. I don’t care whether he’s gay, bi, a bird or the elephant man. He needs to be off our streets and sent back home!

    • It might be uncomfortable, but Human Rights are for all. The moment you start claiming that some people are not “deserving” of BASIC Human Rights (no matter what the crime) you are on a slippery slope.

      We all have an emotive response to cases like this, and that’s to be expected. But our legal system is designed to be without emotive justice, based on facts. This is right for a modern and fair society.

      Every Human deserves to be treated with basic Human Rights in mind. This is not just for them, but for us as a society too. If we begin to selectively apply basic standards based on the level and severity of the crime committed, we will end up in a whole mess, not least risking the potential for a return of the death penalty.

      • Serkan M

        The slippery slope argument is pretty redundant to be honest.

        Every human does deserve to be treated with basic human rights yes, but I say again, where is my right to be protected from scum like him being on the streets? Or the rights of the victim who now has no right because he was killed?

        You cannot uphold the rights of one person who has claimed the rights of the other. Otherwise, no matter what the committer does, he will always be help up in protection.

    • kane

      so where you deport british born murderers? after all, as you say, they need to be off our streets

  • “Conservative MP Nick de Bois said: “I have no doubt that the British public would back the Home Secretary on this one.””

    Laws cannot be manipulated depending on the case and public opinion.

    While it’s disappointing that this has happened, we cannot have it both ways. Either we believe in not subjecting people to abuse and torture in other countries or we allow it to continue. We can’t selectively pick and choose who can and cannot be deported based on public opinion over each individual case.

    People need to stop trying to ignore laws we have built based on their emotive response, with only a collection of facts. Our membership of the Human Rights agreements means we have a DUTY to follow them, not arbitrarily abandon them when faced with a dilemma.

    If we start changing the laws we adhere to based on knee-jerk public opinion we are worse off as a country. We have to stick to our principles and our agreements, otherwise they mean nothing.

    We cannot start ignoring Human Rights and begin deporting people based on tabloid-led crusades where only some of the facts are present. Either we trust the system and adhere to these agreements or we have to face the consequences of destroying the entire system of protections to replace it with something new – this would threaten the Human Rights of many other people.

  • Homo Demon

    I do wonder whether he would be claiming to be a homo if his identity was not protected? 

    I do agree that we should not deport gay people to countries where there is significant evidence that it is likely that they will face a serious risk of harm. That’s what differentiates Britain from the less evolved countries of the world.

    Nonetheless I am very suspicious as to whether this murderer is, in fact, gay. I think that he is playing the ‘pink card’, but that does highlight the issue of proving that a homosexual asylum seeker is really gay. 

    As his identity is protected then I am not sure how he is likely to face a serious risk of harm? It’s not as if anyone would know who he is over there. 

    • Sister Mary Clarence

      Just to clarify, it would be clear to the authorities to which he was being returned exactly why he was being returned.

      Identity is just protected from the public at large while he is here

      • Homo Demon

        It would be clear that he is being returned because he murdered a school boy.

        There would have never been any disclosures about his sexuality. He has chosen to make the alleged issue public.

        I genuinely don’t believe that there is enough evidence to suggest that he will face significant harm. There is a wider public interest to deport him. If that means that it is in his best interests not to disclose or practice his sexuality then, as a convicted murderer, so be it.

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    • Christopher Thomas Tomkinson

      The human rights card allows us to be free as LGB people and have working conditions that mean we don’t die on the job (for the most part)

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