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US: NYC school blocks girl from taking transgender boyfriend to prom

  • Bikerman

    These school managers need a good kicking. There is no excuse for this. How dare these dickheads discriminate in this way with a school named after a hero of civil rights. It beggars belief.

    • Jenjen

      The high school is named after Martin Luther, not Martin Luther King Jr.

      • Bikerman

        Very confusing. How can a Catholic school be named after a Protestant heretic?

        • Magpie

          Easily, when the media equates all private religious education with Catholicism. It’s a Lutheran school.

          • Bikerman

            So, more sloppy journalism.

          • Magpie

            yup

          • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

            Ahh, so it’s a reporting error?

        • Damien

          Not just ‘A’ protestant heretic but ‘THE greatest ever’ protestant heretic, how could whoever was writing this article not realise the absurdity of such a school being Catholic?!

  • Magpie

    Why did she even bring it up? Why not just go to the damn prom? If he’ll be in the transition phase, that means that legally he’ll be male by the prom and no one would have been the wiser.

  • dave

    Anais Celini: “Thinking that we’re not a same-sex couple, I thought we would be allowed to go …”

    So Ms Celini was prepared to accept the school’s anti-gay discrimination? Why aren’t ALL pupils boycotting the prom?

  • Madgeographer

    Why is the principal still there?

  • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

    A Catholic school called “Martin Luther High School”? I made a double take when I connected those dots.

  • one.second

    Religious schools are a danger to children. Every school should be forced to teach that human rights come first and that religions are myths without evidence.

    • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

      Well put

      • Guest

        Absolute horseshit. Your pathetic beliefs in fairy stories should never trump human rights. Religious rights encompass the right for you to practice your weird death cult practices not to impinge on other people’s rights. The stream of bile emanating from your own homegrown evangelicals exceeds anything posted on these pages. It has resulted in Africa in hateful, murderous laws and there are bloodied US CHRISTIAN hands all over them. Your politicians should be enforcing the separation of state and religion, not pandering to religionist extremists. I attended a Roman Catholic school and I know all about the hateful position they take on minorities and I am also a victim of sexual assault at the hands of a Catholic priest so I know what I am talking about.

        • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

          Somehow my previous reply ended up tagged on to that bigot from Arlington.
          I am entirely on the side of those opposed to forced religious indoctrination.
          I, too, have seen the damage that religion does to vulnerable people

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            The state is your religion.

          • Bikerman

            What crap are talking about now? We are not all American

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Can I take a wild guess you are left wing socialist? The state is your religion. You worship the state.

          • Bikerman

            You know nothing at all about me other than I find the position of you US religionists hysterically funny and pathetic. You make the US a laughing stock from a European perspective.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Oh you are so sophisticated, Mr. European. Thanks for all of those world wars and killing my family in the holocaust.

          • Bikerman

            Hint: we were allies and I speak the same language as you, doh!

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Ah, thanks sophisticated Briton. I want to thank you for dragging us into 2 world wars and inventing the concentration camp in south africa, and becoming experts with divide and conquer causing virtually every single existing world conflict there is today. Thanks! Us americans are just so terrible, and you so sophisticated. Oh and a special thanks for sitting on your rears while Germany and your soviet heroes invaded Poland. Thanks. I’m sure my relatives appreciated being murdered because you couldn’t be bothered to do anything.

          • Bikerman

            Yea whatever. Thanks for the atom bomb, leaving Europe to its own devices until you were forced into the war by Pearl Harbour, etc etc. trawl through history and sling insults. You can’t stay on topic because you’re only here to TROLL

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Oh, the US didn’t enter earlier enough for you. You hate us when we act, you hate us when we don’t act. If the US didn’t nuke japan, in a war we didn’t start, how many britons you think would have been killed in the invasion? Or would you make us do all the fighting there too so long as you got Singapore back from your humiliation?

          • Bikerman

            You are just so far off topic you are just out there on your own. I’ve already told you today that I love visiting The US, I have US family and don’t hate the US at all but your incoherent argument and postings just keep trolling on. I’ve totally lost interest in your banal postings but you are very funny and I’ve enjoyed rattling your cage today to read the tirade of vitriolic crap you come up with.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Drink a Fullers for me!

    • Arlingtonvirginia

      Forced? And if they don’t to reeducation camps and exterminations?

      • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

        Hm I was waiting for you to utter the ‘N’ or ‘H’ word. The desperate death throe of a lost argument

        • Arlingtonvirginia

          Like you calling everyone who doesn’t share your opinion is committing “hate speech” and is a bigot?

          hate to break it to you, but I’m not a white christian. So take your stereotypes elsewhere. Funny how it’s okay for you to have stereotypes. But if I stated fact, like gay men are 2% of the US population but 61% of all HIV infections, despite it being 100% true, you would throw a tantrum. Facts are offensive to intolerant, hateful bigots like you.

          • Bikerman

            Go read the statistics in sub-Saharan Africa and you’ll find the exact opposite – so what

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            We don’t live in sub saharan africa.

            http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            And the stats are the same all through the west. Gay men are by far and away, the most infected group with HIV. France, the UK, Australia, Israel. All the same. So you can’t blame it on white christian conservatives preventing sex ed. Also, if you look to this very same website, pinknews, you will say that gay men in LA are being told to get vaccinated for meningitis, because gay men are disproportinately much more likely to get infected with that too. But no doubt, facts like these are bigotry to you. Nobody can know this. Nobody is allowed to know that domestic violence is actually slightly higher in LGBT relationships. Only good news is allowed. Facts that aren’t positive are hate speech.

          • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

            First rule when you are losing an argument. Change the subject!

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            First rule when losing an argument, call someone a bigot.

          • Bikerman

            You’re the one throwing the term ‘bigot’ about. It seems to be your favourite term of abuse

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            I use it to mock you. Because you are bigots, but so self righteous you cannot see how intolerant you are to other views. The definition of bigotry.

    • Arlingtonvirginia

      I hate to break the news to you, but despite how hateful and intolerant you are, religious rights are human rights. This is a private school. You are a fascist, and a bigot, and so much more intolerant than the people you accuse of being intolerant. Look in the mirror, bigot. Hateful bigot.

      • Bikerman

        Absolute horseshit. Your pathetic beliefs in fairy stories should never trump human rights. Religious rights encompass the right for you to practice your weird death cult practices not to impinge on other people’s rights. The stream of bile emanating from your own homegrown evangelicals exceeds anything posted on these pages. It has resulted in Africa in hateful, murderous laws and there are bloodied US CHRISTIAN hands all over them. Your politicians should be enforcing the separation of state and religion, not pandering to religionist extremists. I attended a religious school and I know all about the hateful position they take on minorities and the indoctrination they force on impressionable young minds.

        • Arlingtonvirginia

          Religion is a human right. Stop being such a hateful bigot

          • Bikerman

            Read and reply, you ignorant religionist. Anyone can name-call

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            I bet it really angers you when you have to think about what a hateful, intolerant bigot you are. You really hate it don’t you?

          • Bikerman

            I feel no anger at all. I don’t give a sh*t to be frank but it sure is fun on a boring Sunday to rattle your cage and people like you. You show no empathy or care for the feelings of the two kids who are at the centre of this story. What a hateful way to treat kids. Look around the world and you find that almost all conflict is religion based. As John Lennon sang, Imagine – no religion too. Your religion is not the answer, it is the problem.

            Oh, I also don’t go around right wing religious websites trolling as you do here. Why don’t you just go disappear up your own ass.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            It’s the PROM. You act like this is the most important thing on earth. 30 people have been shot in chicago this weekend. Kids are dying from malaria all over the world, and you are this upset about the prom at a PRIVATE school the kids isn’t forced to go to? Your priorities are evidence of a SEVERE m ental problem or sociopathy. Go look up cancer and children, know that kids are dying everywhere every single day, and you want me to worry about the plight of someone’s prom date? wow. You are sick.

          • Bikerman

            As a cancer survivor I find your comments in appropriate and offensive. So f*ck off

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Oh, so Prom dates are more important than cancer? Great priorities you have. I proved you wrong, and all you could do was insult me. Grow up.

          • Jones

            No but people are as important as treating cancer. Denying someone the ability to go to a prom just because of who they are has no justification. What right have you got to stand up and say to someone they can’t live their life how they want to.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            YOu keep on forgetting this is a private school. If I went to a muslim school could I eat ham? If I went to an LGBT school could I go wearing Prop 8 shirts? You seem to have no problem telling others what they must do. Someone’s prom date has zero importance compared to disease, illness and serious world events. 30 people have been shot in chicago, and you are whining abotu someone’s prom date at a private school? Wow. It must be nice to be so privileged and pampered that these are the issues that bother you most.

          • Jones

            Says the person arguing about it with everyone on this thread.

          • Bikerman

            Your line of argument is puerile. You throw random ideas in rather than respond to the points made and name-calling and insults when all else fails.

          • PattyJM

            Arlington, taken in the long view you are right. a life-threatening cancer is more important. But do consider that there is little either you of me can do to actually create a cure. Unless you are an oncologist or other scientist we have to leave the matter to those who know about curing it.

            What we can do is to solve
            the problem that is right before our noses. In a day to day life we all have to deal with situations that are important to us as individuals at that time – even if they are unimportant in the big scheme of things.

            The school prom is one of those events that represents a very significant rite of passage that signifies passage into adulthood. Preventing this young couple from attending is cruel.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            So what about dorks? They can’t get dates. They miss out on the rite of passage because nobody is interested in them. Should there be articles written about their plight and isn’t it a bigger plight?

          • PattyJM

            Good question, especially as I was one of those unfortunates!

            Suck it up and go on, I guess. There were many good reasons why I couldn’t go but not having a date was the big one. Being 68 now the point is moot. No one is ever going to invite me to a prom unless the old folks home has one. :(

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            The difference is, dorks don’t have people pulling for them. There is no movement out to get societal acceptance of them, nobody to be upset at the school and there are lot more dorks than there are lesbians who want to date transgendered boys. Yet the dorks suffer in silence. Nobody cares. At least if you are gay, someone cares. You had all this news about Tyler Clementi killing himself because his roommate was a jerk to him. But you don’t care those stories for others who the media don’t care about. I’m not saying to ignore the Clementis, but there are a lot of people out there, who are shunned, treated terribly by society, but nobody cares about them. I feel your pain, I was one of those unfortunates too, though I’ve never liked to dance, never wanted to dance. It’s just best to forget about high school. It doesn’t matter anyways. The most popular people in my high school are in jail anyways.

          • Philip Marks

            But these kids are being harmed, right now. The harm is real and palpable. We cannot undertake to solve every inequity on earth at one moment, but we can address the ones we see that are obvious and glaring and addressable. That said it is a private school and prejudice is something they are apparently entitled to have. I would not send my grankids to such a school, though I went to them for 12 years.,
            Finally can anyone tell me how it is that a Catholic School is named after Martin Luther??

          • Christine Spencer

            Hey, I’m that “dork” that didn’t have a date and I went alone. Be nice.

          • Bikerman

            Over-reaction here I’m thinking. I am a highly educated and well adjusted gay man. I am in a stable, monogamous gay relationship in its 29th year. How about you dog breath?

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Are you one of those people who values people based on where they went to school? Congrats on your relationship. Does your partner know what a hateful, intolerant person you are?

          • PattyJM

            Bikerman, please take a chill pill.

            I’m on your side 99% of the time.

            However, you are letting your anger out in your rude posts.I agree that some branches/cults do more harm than good in the world. Calling people names because they disagree with your worldview undermines any reasoned argument you have. Frankly, it makes you look childish and ignorant.

            You and I both will agree in principle. Religion doesn’t play a role in either of our lives. But you and I are not the world and we cannot decide anyone else’s lifestyle.

            Religion _does_ serve a valuable part in most, people’s lives. Their beliefs serve as a moral structure to their lives. It gives them something to hold on to when it seems that the whole world is against them. It makes them feel a part of the community. And the prospect of an afterlife is always there.

            As long as they feel that that way then good for them. One thing I learned a long time ago is that people act not on objective facts but what they _understand_ those facts to be. It doesn’t matter if there is an afterlife or not. As long as people BELIEVE that there is they will live accordingly.

            And as others have said, as long as its someone else’s life and not yours, any religious choice is theirs to make.

            When the extreme segment tries to get laws to make society over in their own image, ignoring the constitution in the process, then that extremist has gone too far. But when you generalize as you do in denouncing “religion” you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

          • Bikerman

            Agreed PattyJM. As has been said religion is the opium of the masses.
            BTW I am chilled. Just having fun with Arlington, rattling his cage.

          • Jones

            Religion is a human right.

            Correct. And so is freedom from religion. When you are forcing children who are unable to make decisions themselves to go to faith schools and indoctrinating them with some pretty hateful stuff towards certain groups, they shouldn’t be allowed.

            Imagine a child going to a Catholic school and being told that being gay is a sin. Later on in life they discover they are gay and remember what their teacher told them. This is the reason suicide rates are so high in homosexual teenagers.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            So don’t go to a catholic school. Should kids have the right to bring emotional support pigs to muslim schools or to eat ham sandwiches there?

          • Philip Marks

            This is A reason suicide rates are so high for gay teens…
            Yes conventional religion remains a problem for gay kids especially. I went to Catholic schools for 12 years and I know how bad it was…but the Church doesn’t actually determine how other kids deal with the gay kids, and nowadays in many places it is quite a different story. The Church is not too happy with these trends…
            Now then, this report is of a CATHOLIC school named after Martin Luther? I’m sorry the pope is gonna have to verify that for me. Martin Luther is anathema to the official church.

          • Bikerman

            Name-calling, I can do that as well pea-brain

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Ahh, but it isn’t name calling if you call me a bigot, right?

        • Arlingtonvirginia

          It’s a private school. How can you talk about the separation of church and state while thinking it’s okay for the government to tell religious institutions what they must do?

          • Bikerman

            No schools can work entirely without a regulation from official authorities. There are too many extreme nutters out there ready to set up schools and damage children.

  • Daniel

    Just another example why religion should be removed from all state institutions; secularism works, and avoids religious dogma from being allowed to discriminate.

    • Arlingtonvirginia

      It’s a private school. Not a state institution.

      • Bikerman

        In that case ban all private schools as they do in France. Far healthier to avoid all that creationist nonsense taught in some US schools.

        • Arlingtonvirginia

          You libs sure love banning things. Perhaps Cuba would be a more suitable home for you?

          • Bikerman

            Perhaps a care home for the confused would be a more suitable home for you.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            What am I confused of? I’m not the one who chose to go to a catholic school, then demanded they change their ideology to accomodate my prom date choice.

          • Bikerman

            I don’t imagine for one moment that the kids chose the school they go to.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            So this kid has devoutly religious parents, and the parent forced them to go to a lutheran school, but are fine with their daughter dating a transgendered boy who is a female?

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Let’s go back to your solution of “banning all private schools”. First, another liberal banning things he doesn’t approve of. That means also that private LGBT schools would be banned, but maybe you could exempt them. Second, more importantly, this would result in more state power. Control over all the kids, instead of just some. This must really excite you. More kids to indoctrinate.

          • Bikerman

            Religion and impressionable kids – a toxic mix. Remember what the Catholics say, “give me a child until they are seven and they are Catholic for life. It’s indoctrination. Religion should be banned for children as harmful brainwashing

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            But it’s okay for you to indoctrinate kids? It’s okay for you to brainwash?

          • Bikerman

            I’ve no idea what you are talking about. I don’t have anything to do with kids apart from Holidays with my nieces and nephews.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Also, despite what you said earlier, this is even a catholic school. So what catholics say , according to you, is not relevant. You seem to REALLY hate catholics. How is that tolerant?

      • Daniel

        All institutions that profess to educate (a mandatory requirement for children) are governed by the state, so regardless of funding, they are a state institution.

  • Arlingtonvirginia

    Something cannot be right about this story. A catholic school called Martin Luther? That would be like naming a Jewish school after a Goebbels. Martin Luther started the protestant movement against the Catholic church.

    • Bikerman

      Try reading previous comments. You’ll find we have established its a Lutheran school. Try to keep up.

      • Arlingtonvirginia

        I didn’t realize comments edit the story. How have “we” established anything? The story says that there’s a catholic school named after Martin Luther. That’s simply not true. So the author is either ignorant or a liar. Which is it?

        • Bikerman

          Read the comments dipshit. You’ll find that as a group people have come to the conclusion that there is some sloppy journalism here. The journalist mistook religious for Catholic. I suppose to outsiders one cult is much the same as another.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Is that some kind of bigotry and ignorance on part of the author? Seems the author has some animosity towards catholics that they were the first religious group thought of.

            If I called LGBT a cult, would you be fine with it? Or is this another one of your double standards?

          • Bikerman

            it’s no more than sloppy journalism. It does happen for no reason other than carelessness

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Has it occurred to them to perhaps edit the story?

          • Bikerman

            Maybe they are having a day off, with it being the Sabbath and all that

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            The sabbath is friday night through saturday night. Given I would think most people are as hateful of religion as you are, I think you are making excuses for them leaving the story unchanged, obviously to badmouth catholics. I mean, why do you hate catholics so much? Over and over you rant about them, yet the school isn’t even a catholic school. Why are you such a bigot?

          • Bikerman

            There’s no ranting here. Most of my family are catholic. I was brought up catholic and I was sexually assaulted by a catholic priest. I have no time for any organised religion but particularly despise the ultra right evangelical Christian rabble of the US

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Why do you care so much about something that has no impact on your life? Should I go nuts over britain having a state religion?I mean, I could never be the monarch because I’m Jewish.

  • lee

    I keep saying here -back my god they are so backward in the USA still on so many issues

    • Arlingtonvirginia

      When Obama is out of power in 2017 you can go back to burning flags.

      • Bikerman

        I’ll leave that to your Muslim friends

        • Arlingtonvirginia

          I’ll leave it to liberals like you that are itching to be able to burn american flags again.

          • Bikerman

            I love America and often enjoy holidaying there. I have family who live there and are US citizens. I follow your news reading the New York Times every day online. I feel no animosity towards your country but utterly despise your loony ultra right Christian Evangelical brigade. They know Christ’s message about as much as Attila the Hun.

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            And where do you call home?

          • Bikerman

            Well clearly not Arlington, Virginia :)

          • PattyJM

            As opposed to burning crosses?

  • Arlingtonvirginia

    Ironic how the new mayor of NYC is married to an “ex gay” woman. I seem to recall the media giving him and her a complete pass over that one. Must be nice to be a progressive and benefit from double standards.

    • Bikerman

      Off topic
      TROLL ALERT

      • Arlingtonvirginia

        So you don’t care about human rights in NYC?

  • Arlingtonvirginia

    It must have been really really painful for you guys to hear that LGBT leaders are saying the LGBT movement is becoming as hateful and intolerant and bullying as much as you claim religions do. Just a couple this past week after the Mozilla thing where you bullied a man out of his job for holding the same views Obama did in 2008.

    • Bikerman

      I found it particularly satisfying that a simple boycott of a product caused Mozilla to give the guy a gentle push and away he went. How the tea party rabble interpret it is of no concern to me. Have you seen the number of boycotts the far right organise. I’ve lost count but they are not nearly as effective as us :)

      • Arlingtonvirginia

        Please provide a single example from the last 3 years.

        • Bikerman

          Try AFA in Wiki. They have a whole list of boycotts. Try Apple as a single example. (That’s the American Family Association = right wing group)

          • Arlingtonvirginia

            Even if that’s true, why has nobody even heard about it? A boycott is only effective if people know about it so they can boycott.

  • shifty61

    Even in NYC?? Oh America, what have you become? Anyone see the irony in the school´s name?

  • Arlingtonvirginia

    Like i said more important issues. Three are dead in Overland Park kansas, Jews were targetted. How important is a prom to you guys? Seriously. You should be ashamed of yourselves thinking this story is important.

  • Arlingtonvirginia

    Bikerman: What is a more important story? 3 people shot dead at jewish center in kansas today or someone not being able to take their choice to the prom?

    • Liam

      Jumpin’ Jesus on a pogo stick, you are f*cking obsessed. How many comments now?

  • H.S. Alumni

    I am someone who went to this school. One thing this article got wrong is that the school isn’t Catholic, but Lutheran. Still, I have been witness to many unfair things that went on inside the school and it was terrible. Let’s just say I was happy to graduate that school because it meant I could put a horrible experience behind me. It saddens me to know the school has gotten worse. It recently had to unite four more grades/age groups into the school because it’s literally running out of money. Honestly, I won’t be sad to see it closed down.

  • Philip Marks

    Wait, wait, a CATHOLIC school named Martin Luther? Never. Ever.

  • Chris Punches

    Stepping stone to what?

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