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President Zuma: South Africa ‘respects’ Uganda’s new anti-gay law

  • Mumbo Jumbo

    “South Africa respects the sovereign rights of other countries to adopt their own legislation”

    So back in the 1980s I should have respected the sovereign rights of the then South African government to have apartheid legislation and not done all that boycotting, marching, letter writing and campaigning to secure the equality of people like you Mr Zuma?

    • Herrie

      Quite.

  • Herrie

    I think Zuma misread the news — he thought he was supporting pro-rape rights.

  • Herrie

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

    • Colin

      Well Said.
      Where is the United Nations? How will countries that support these countries react or continue to ignore the plight of one seventh of the planet.

      • TKinSC

        The United Nations is headquartered in New York.

  • Halou

    With an attitude like that I guess we can all be thankful that South Africa’s constitution explicitly mentions LGBT rights.

    • Truth

      Uganda’s Constitution guarantees equality for all – unless you’re gay, seemingly. I despair at African leadership – or rather lack of it.

    • Bruce

      I am a gay South African and I was so proud when LGBT rights were enshrined in the new constitution in 1994, but I think that these rights were hardly noticed by most South Africans, simply because the new constitution was so far-reaching in it’s breadth at the end of the apartheid era. I can’t help thinking that there are a huge number of people in South Africa (probably the majority) who might not have wanted LGBT rights. Furthermore if they hadn’t been put there, there would have been little chance of them ever being granted subsequently. We can be thankful to a few people for protecting our rights during those heady days when all things seemed possible.

  • Truth

    So presumably, had he been around, he would have ‘respected’ Hitler’s anti-Jewish laws without condemning them? After all, Germany was a Sovereign nation. Of course, being a black African, I doubt that nice Mr Hitler would have returned the compliment. Nelson Mandela would be turning in his grave to see what is happening on the dark continent …. people being persecuted simply for being who they are. Some people have very selective memories.

  • Adrian Frith

    The headline is rather misleading. “We respect the soverieign right of other countries to make their own laws,” is standard diplomat-speak for, “we don’t want to get involved.” It’s certainly a rather ironic position from someone who took part in the anti-apartheid struggle. But it does not by any means have the same implications as, “we respect the law”.

    • Colin

      Yes but is does not say anything against it’s neighbours stance. See Herrie comments above.

  • Rumbelow

    Um Bongo!

    • saintlaw

      There are a number of probs with your reasoning – not least that the gay men and lesbians being persecuted in these countries are also African.

      Further, as Russia and much of Eastern Europe shows – and India too -homophobia is not confined to ‘the dark continent’.

      • Rumbelow

        Well, I actually did refer to “their own gay people” and the article we are commenting upon is confined to the “dark continent”
        That seems to have dealt with the two problems you mentioned, so perhaps you could start again saintlaw.

      • James!

        Saintlaw these gay bigots have more in common with Zuma than they think. They are too thick to realise their own bigotry

        • Rumbelow

          Troll, get back under your bridge.

    • James!

      Please kill yourself.

      • Rumbelow

        No thanks!… but feel free to take your own stupid advice James!

        • kenthomes

          James probably thinks you are being “racist” for pointing put the truth about these horrendous “leaders” in Africa. This is what Christianity and lack of an education have done to Africa.

          • James!

            • 7 hours ago

            Um Bongo! Black people in African countries seem to be totally playing up to the “Stupid backward savages who have an average IQ of 70″ stereotype … and they are loving it.

            Who would post a comment like this and worse are the people defending it. Pink news I’ll see if your advertisers are happy to be on the same page as these racist comments

          • Rumbelow

            Quit trolling on gay comments boards and try to develop some reading comprehension skills before posting accusing comments on-line in future James!

          • TomSatsuma

            I’m reluctant to be seen to be siding with James… but really, was “Um Bongo!” necessary?!

          • James!

            Hey tom don’t do me any favours you cheeky fúck

          • TomSatsuma

            I love you too…

            Do your friends know how much time you spend on gay websites? These days it’s not hard to find out someone’s real identity from the internet.

          • James!

            Oh grow up. I’ve been here for ages and I am gay. What I’m not is racist and the casual unchallenged racism on the supposedly larges gay site items is disgraceful. Most people from overseas would think gay men in the uk a re mostly bigoted……..oh wait.

          • Rumbelow

            What you are not doing and have never done to date is comment on the topic of this thread and that makes you a flaming troll James!

          • TomSatsuma

            Apologies – I’m still learning names… I thought you were that homophobe who comes here for kicks.

            I agree that there tends to be a lot of racism in the gay community – and these threads… notably this one.

            But the reason I thought you were that homophobe was because of your inability to not be the rudest person in any given room. There’s no need.

          • Rumbelow

            There is racism and homophobia and nonsense attached to this issue and it’s largely the belligerent anti-white, anti-West, anti-gay, anti-science talk coming from the backward leaders of African countries who do happen to be black, racist, homophobic, anti-science and anti-West.

          • Rumbelow

            “Um Bongo, they drink it in the Congo”, that ad sort of perpetuates the daft childish stereotype that leaders of African countries seem determined to live up to, so yes, I think it is necessary.
            You can tell by reading all my other posts I am not racist but I am totally against bigoted “religious” leaders of African countries taking their countries and people in a dangerously backward direction.

          • James!

            so you challenge bigotry by being bigoted? If there is one thing I hate about racists is that they are too coward to admit it.

          • Rumbelow

            Not at all, I’m not a bigot and I’m not a racist. And this isn’t a pantomime so let’s not get into an “Oh a yes you are”, “Oh no I’m not” dialogue loop please James! troll.

            It’s the corrupt eaders of African countries who don suits, the trappings of the West, while continuing to behave as though they are still the stereotype black savages with bones through their noses, snidely dissing the influence of the civilising West and legitimate science while making up their own nonsense “religious”-based “facts” so they can persecute their own gay people, throwing their lardy weight about like belligerent R’soles while expecting handouts to line their own pockets with.
            Because they are too stupid/corrupt/incapable… Instead of improving their countries infrastructure’s and economy’s and making the lives of their people a little better and a little easier they create a scapegoat to blame and torment to create a diversion from the fact that they are destroying their countries and the lives of all living there .

          • James!

            That was just too funny. I will copy that as my screensaver. Thanks for making my day.

          • Rumbelow

            Glad you appreciated it, but don’t just take a bit of my comment as a quote out of context thereby subverting it’s meaning please.

          • TomSatsuma

            I think the amount you are focussing on race, and using horrible racial imagery, is unnecessary. I can understand where the ‘racism’ accusation comes from when every thread about a homophobe who happens to be black becomes about their race.

            And I’m not even sure he’s a homophobe. He’s president of the country with arguably the best LGBT laws in the world, established years before our own. His statement isn’t really any different from every other world leader who hasn’t made a statement, as much as Pink News tries to twist it, but here he’s treated as basically being the same as the presidents of Uganda and Nigeria?

          • Rumbelow

            You’re entitled to think whatever you like,I hope you’ll let me express how I feel also.
            I’m not using horrible racial imagery but pointing out that several Presidents of various African countries seem to be mimicking a certain racist stereotype of black people and doing it with relish and some pride, I don’t understand why they would be doing this but there you have it.
            It’s also sort of racist anyway to pretend black people are not black to try to avoid setting off the nut-case trolls.

          • TomSatsuma

            Of course.

            But that’s no kind of answer.

            It’s a lame ‘free speech’ argument in favour of ‘freedom from criticism’ and doesn’t address any of the points I made.

          • Rumbelow

            I tried and I think it totally does address your not very cogent points.
            I have only ever referred to stereotypes and named them as such, I wouldn’t have done that had I been making a racist comment. You are becoming tedious now.

          • kane

            ‘Frankly I’m not obliged to address any of the points you might bring up.’

            you have made yourself look silly by not acting on above statment

          • TomSatsuma

            No, I see that. I just think that targeting their race – even if it’s an accusation that they are living up to what are undoubtedly racist stereotypes – might not be all that helpful. And I think it’s problematic doing this by using the same kind of racist language that bigots use (despite intended irony) is even more problematic. I totally see what you were going for… I just think it’s a dangerous area to play around in.

            All the best.

          • Rumbelow

            Yes, I see what you are saying, irony gets conveniently lost on those who are looking to see racism.

          • kane

            reviving old racist stereotypes to back up some home made arguments

          • James!

            suck my nuts

          • Rumbelow

            As if you had any.

          • Rumbelow

            He’s attacking and falsely accusing me of racism to draw attention away from the homophobia in African countries that the PN article is highlighting, notice he doesn’t address the real topic at all.
            Homophobic “religious” bigot troll.

    • Colin

      I hope Tutu speaks out. The last sane voice in Africa

    • Bob

      Simply unbelievable! What’s more shocking is that you have the temerity to use Nelson Mandela’s name in your racist rantings! I think Nelson Mandela would be more shocked at this!

  • Colin

    Having had apartheid in living memory we are witnessing South Africa slipping back to the dark ages with the other African countries. Such a lost opportunity for 1 Billion people. Human capital squandered.

    • Rumbelow

      They do seem set on that backward path though.
      The anti-gay US KKK racists posing as Christians have been very successful in some African countries, having set things in motion with their propaganda they are successfully destroying the lives of black and black gay people and of course now they are just sitting back watching from a distance while munching on their popcorn as the horror show plays out.
      http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/9/98/Popcorn.gif

      • Colin

        No I fear worse. I see South Africa under Zuma becomming more like Zimbabwe and settling old scores while the money disappears. Now black supremacy.

        • Rumbelow

          You are probably right, sadly.

      • kane

        so now you even illustrate your own comments, how cute

  • JD

    Another ignorant ‘neanderthal’ with only the brain the missionaries left him – bigoted and backward – let them all rot in their delusion of superstition….

    • James!

      pitiful bigots you don’t even realise that you are = to them. Being gay does not make you immune from bigotry. Pathetic people

      • Cal

        James, while I agree that some comments are harsh (deservedly so in my opinion) I don’t hear you cry racism when exactly the same things are said of Eastern European, Russian or even Arabic regimes. Surely it would patronise Black people if we refrained from pointing out that Black cultures in every continent where they exist are violently against GLBT people.

        • James!

          Rubbish
          If you have bothered to read my comment you will always see me challenge bigotry when it occurs.

          • Rumbelow

            You’ve not said one word about Zuma’s bigotry which is the topic of this thread, clearly you are a lying troll James!

          • kane

            stop making up rules for participating in discussion, any post is open to criticism. james is just exercising his right to disagree with certain comment by pointing out the hypocrisy of its author. hows that trolling?

          • Cal

            Please feel free to attack the murderous bigotry in Africa and the Caribbean and the Black ghettos and churches all over the USA and elsewhere. As you are a self-styled prejudice avenger it is your duty to speak out.

      • Rumbelow

        Quit trolling these gay comments boards and attacking individual posters James!, either comment on the article and add to the discussion or naff off.

  • Mike

    One has to feel sorry for Gays in South Africa with a President like this one; thank goodness Desmond Tutu is on our side!!!

  • TomSatsuma

    “South Africa respects the sovereign rights of other countries to adopt their own legislation.

    “In this regard, through diplomatic channels South Africa engages
    with Uganda on areas of mutual concern bearing in mind Uganda’s
    sovereignty,”

    Are you really journalists?

    Respecting “the sovereign rights of other countries to adopt their own legislation” is not the same as respecting said legislation, any more than my liking the fact that my husband gets to choose his own clothes is the same as liking the godawful jacket he finally chooses…

    There’s enough homophobia in the world without having to distort the truth to exaggerate it.

    • Cal

      Certainly a missed opportunity for South Africa to lead the way in tolerance. Their decision not to do so does rather justify the wording PN chose. Other countries that are condemning these barbaric laws are not doing so out of disrespect to the countries sovereignty. Zuma will be itching to get these homophobic laws in place in SA if he can find a way to do it. And he will.

      • TomSatsuma

        I totally agree that it’s a missed opportunity, and that he should have condemned the law. But I have to disagree that it justifies the misleading wording. Respecting someone’s right to do something is NOT the same as respecting what they do. My comment was not really related to the political situation – I’m totally with everyone else on Zuma’s cowardice – but to journalistic standards. If our opponents distort the truth it makes it all the more important that we don’t.

        This isn’t the first time Pink News have twisted a story. It’s wrong, whether it’s done for our side or against.

    • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

      This is about what he’s not saying, not what he is saying.

      No decent leader can possibly believe that the Ugandan laws are right or just, it’s not possible. If a leader is not condemning the Nazi-like actions of the Ugandan government then they are clearly not on the right side of Human rights.

      • TomSatsuma

        “No decent leader can possibly believe that the Ugandan laws are right or
        just, it’s not possible. If a leader is not condemning the Nazi-like
        actions of the Ugandan government then they are clearly not on the right
        side of Human rights.”

        I agree.

        But as long as language has meaning, the headline is still a lie.

        It’s unnecessary. If they had quoted him correctly then would any of us have reacted differently? I think that’s an insult to our intelligence – the only difference is that the opposite side wouldn’t be able to correctly accuse us of distorting the truth.

        If it’s about what he is not saying, then why the need to distort what he is saying?

    • Rehan

      I quite agree, the wording of the headline is far too red-toppish.

  • Jock S.Trap

    It would be extremely sad that, if when Nelson Mandela died just over 3 months ago ALL that he stood up for died with him.

    People in Africa and around the world rightly herald Nelson Mandela as a Champion for humanity…. by denying every one they disagree with a right to basic rights and a decent life.

    Hypocrites

  • gingerlycolors

    Now that Nelson Mandela is gone it seems that my prediction that South Africa could start sliding back into the dark ages will become true. In South Africa a presidential term is five years and limited to two terms. Jacob Zuma will be up for re-election this May and it is likely that he will be re-elected to a second term. My best hope is that Desmond Tutu will continue to be around as the voice of sanity until Zuma steps down and hopefully replaced by someone who is better suited to the job.

  • bobbleobble

    Zuma is a dangerous idiot who probably should be in prison and not the presidential palace. He hasn’t got the intelligence or the integrity to run a jumble sale let alone a country. South Africa is probably two or three bad decisions away from total chaos. A worrying time for everyone there.

  • D.McCabe

    After reading Nelson Mandela’s autobiography recently, I guess he would be horrified with the way that Zuma is taking the ANC and what Mandela fought for for so long.

    • Rumbelow

      Absolutely agree. it’s very upsetting.

      • Bob

        Your analogies are simply disgusting – dressing it up as if people all over the world hold these racist stereotypes. The fact that you were able to write this shows more about your own inner thoughts then anything. It’s just like the homophobes who honestly believe they’re not homophobic, but then come out with statements like ‘Gay men are all promiscuous’ or ‘I’m not homophobic, but gay men shouldn’t be able to adopt kids?
        Not doubt you’ll be banging on about discrimination against gay people in your next thread?

  • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

    There hasn’t been a decent and moral leader in any African country since Mandela, and I fear there won’t be again for potentially hundreds of years.

    Zuma is just as corrupt, just as self-serving and just as bigoted as all other African leaders, he just knows when to shut his mouth to prevent himself from exposing the truth.

    These people are incapable of running their countries. They do not have the intelligence, nor the moral and ethical compass needed to further their people. This is proven by the successive African governments who seem more than capable of enriching themselves to despicable levels, while their people still live in squalor.

  • Rumbelow

    Zumba dance…
    Oh, she’s so dull, rip her to shreds.

  • kane

    since most of african leaders have dodgy mandate to rule and most of them are prone to making controversial decisions there is unwritten rule that african leaders dont criticise each other

  • wickedeggs

    Well, the man is a rapist with no regard to health and safety, is corrupt to the core and has the face of someone most sane people would like to use as a pinata.. so this is not so surprising…

  • █ █ █ €ώąɲ█ █ █

    Zuma is a doomed president anyway, Mandella was apparently ashamed of him and the party before he died. He is corrupt as blazes anyway, look at the palace he built himself.

  • Tristan

    Ashamed to be South African right now! Shame on you Zuma!

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