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Firefox CEO who donated to anti-gay marriage campaign steps down

  • marcdraco

    Firefox is becoming less and less relevant now. There are better, slicker browsers out there and I won’t be that said to see it slowly die from under its own bloat.

    • arcoiris

      I have found Firefox faster at loading this page than any other browser on my android tablet; Chrome and Opera certainly don’t seem slicker than Firefox. I moved to Opera when all the Firefox fuss about Eich started – now I shall be moving back to Firefox (Aurora).

      • marcdraco

        I can’t speak for the tablet version, only the Windows and Mac versions which are… in my experience, sub-par compared to the promise of the early versions of some years ago.

        Seems that everyone has forgotten here – this guy also invented Javascript which is crucial to pretty much every webpage we visit – food for thought.

        • Beelzeebub

          And is crap in comparison with Python, Perl or Ruby.

          • saintlaw

            I am technically retarded. Reading your posts is like listening to wizards discussing magic.

        • gingerlycolors

          I recently brought a tablet computer for £60 and have found it great value for money. I found that the tablet version of Firefox (for Android) works well on it and at least I can now use it with a clear conscious.

  • Cal

    It had to happen. Yay!
    Watch out bigots!

  • Pet

    Good!

  • JSM

    I was one day away from removing Firefox permanently.

  • Gerry

    Excellent news !

    That means I can still keep using Firefox with a clear conscience. I think it’s a good browser: the cookie control is easy to understand and manage, which can’t be said about many of its competitors.

  • GulliverUK

    He did the right thing, initially, in stating that he would be inclusive, to judge by his actions, re-affirming Mozilla’s commitments to diversity and equality. A day later Mozilla Foundation confirmed its LGBT credentials, and re-affirmed its belief in equal marriage rights. And that should have been enough for him to stay – there are far bigger, much more important opponents, like NOM, the Catholic League, AFA, FRC, etc. His real problem is he should have left it at that, no further statements whatsoever. He did further subsequent interviews where he would not affirm that he would not make a further donation in the future to a similar organisation. Now he has the right to do that. I think he’s wrong, we think he’s wrong, those views are immoral, evil, whatever your favorite word is. As long as he didn’t bring that in to his work people really do have the right to lobby as they please — that’s not the trouble, the trouble is any two-bit US state can seemingly enact repressive discriminatory laws and it seems to take decades before federal courts or the Supreme Court finally says they are, in fact, illegal and unconstitutional. If California had prevented Prop 8 from being enacted, because it was always, clearly, illegal, then people like Brendan Eich would never get the opportunity to vote on our rights. Put it this way — it didn’t happen here, and wouldn’t happen here, but it happens all the time in the US. Is it too much to ask that ballot initiatives must get legal scrutiny before appearing on polling papers? If someone wants to put things like that to a vote they should have to take out insurance and government-approved legal advice, at their own cost, before it can be considered.

    So he’s gone. But please don’t write off Mozilla. Lots of LGBT people work there and in that community, making third-party add-ons, etc. I use it all the time, and it is a good browser. If nothing else, perhaps other corporations will be careful to consider all aspects of a candidate’s past and their views – perhaps they will ask how that person feels about equal rights, inclusiveness, fairness.

    • Jake28

      He didn’t just walk into the position – he was appointed. I didn’t notice an apology for appointing him in the first place.

  • dave

    Unfortunately lots of organisations have their own Brendan Eich’s who take advantage of their position to prevent equality.

    • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

      Which is exactly why we need to protest every single one of their bigotted utternaces. Companies need to realise that they have to cultivatte our loyalty

      • marcdraco

        The problem I see here is that Eich got found out. Sure, he’s a bigot (and worse) but just because someone stands there and says “I support LBGT rights” or “this company supports such and such” doesn’t actually mean that they do.

        The problem in the USA is the right-wing WASP vote and while that remains as powerful as it is, people like Eich (and the Mormons who practically funded Prop 8 on their own – and person for person raised more per capita than any other single group if I have my figures right) will be tolerated front and centre until they hit a bump like this.

        http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28985504/ns/us_news-life/t/more-million-spent-prop/

        • Truth

          But did you see how he squirmed and became so contrite when his job was threatened? All his ‘deeply held religious views and ojections’ appear to have miraculously evaporated into thin air. It’s amazing how this happens to ALL religious bigots when their income is put in danger …

  • gutaitas

    Don’t let the door hit you on your way out!

  • Jase

    1. I already deleted Firefox last week and moved on to Comodo, which is faster.

    2. They should have never nominated him in the first place, so this is at best, a slow compromise.

    3. I am going to take a wait and see attitude.

    • http://www.pariss.info Pariss

      Hurrah to him for stepping down but the bigot still didn’t apologise and admit he was wrong

  • Truth

    As I’ve said before on here … we have enormous clout in bringing about change when we pull together. The moral and religious objections to homosexuality, equal marriage, etc, by individuals, corporations … and even countries … have a habit of evaporating once their income is threatened. Such is the breathtaking hypocrisy of these vile bigots. All power to the Pink Pound (and dollar) ..!

    • Silly Old Bastard

      He probably didn’t have an issue with gay people. Didn’t care one way or another. Do you think that’s still the case?
      All he thought was that marriage should be kept as it is, just like I do. A free
      thinking able man entitled to his own opinion, but he didn’t have the right
      thought according to the likes of you and that’s a thought crime. Society at
      large picks up on that kind of thing. Wariness and fear results.
      Another own goal by you ignorant and stupid militants.

      • Sparkyu1

        He decided that marriage would be damaged simply because of our presence. He campaigned against the human rights of LGBT people and he tried to damage LGBT families. That is an issue with gay people

        And he had the right to his opinion – and he expressed it. We have the right to our own opinion – which we also expressed. He donated money to a campaign to deny us rights, yet we merely spoke in opposition. Yet his actions are merely “an opinion” while our speech is “thought crime”.

        • Silly Old Bastard

          ‘Human rights’ is what gay people in Africa and the Middle East want and deserve. For out and proud in the West, their hopes and desires coming true are not a human rights issue. To think otherwise is to treat the first with utter contempt.

          Where will it stop with firefox ? You’ve taken out the CEO, what about the next level down. Let’s put the departmental heads on trial too. Of course, in the straight world, this will be applauded as necessary and correct, won’t it?

          • Sparkyu1

            Human rights is what LGBT people everywhere want and deserve – and that is what we are fighting for. Marriage and family has been acknowledged as a human right by the UN, the US and the EU. And marriage rights are not the only ones Eich has contributed funds against in his time.

            What trial? We had no trial, we had no attacks – we spoke. Where will what stop? Us talking? Us tweeting? Us facebooking? Because that is what we did to “take down a CEO”. What you mean is “will you gays sit down and shut up”. Or even “how dare you gays presume to criticise a straight person!”

          • Silly Old Bastard

            I’ve worked in advertising. I tell you, this has been a gay PR disaster. I’ve done the equivalent of selling sand to eager Arabs in my time. But I wouldn’t be able to sell them fresh drinking water after something like this. Image and Trust is everything.

          • Sparkyu1

            We’re not actually selling anything. We’re demanding to be treated equally. We’re reacting when we are not. We are defending ourselves when we are attacked

            If the only message the bigots take from this is “try to deny LGBT people their human rights and they fight back” then so be it.

          • Silly Old Bastard

            So, there’s only one response in your world – full on outrage?
            Every occasion, no matter how trivial?

          • Sparkyu1

            My human rights are not trivial

            And you can actually express opposition, even fierce opposition, and refuse to associate with someone/a company without it being “full on outrage”. It doesn’t take “full on outrage” to stop using an internet browser, sign a petition, make a blog post and use social media. This is just basic activism

          • Silly Old Bastard

            Open your eyes. One individual, just one, has been subjected to full on outrage, and yet you are playing the victim?
            By the way, activists are judged by the whole result together, not just their own input.

          • Sparkyu1

            A man donated money to try and strip us of our rights and went on to make it clear he would do the same again. We spoke against him. Quite simple.

            Sorry if the idea of LGBT people speaking up upsets you so much – but silence has never served us in the past

            Acitivism for equal rights is judged on its success – straight people will probably judge us differently – but that’s no surprise

          • Silly Old Bastard

            SSM is not a ‘right’. What other ‘rights’ have you in mind. The right to have all your whims granted without question?

          • Sparkyu1

            Marriage and family are certainly a right – as has been upheld by law on numerous occasions.

            Of course, straight people decide their bigoted whims should be enforced on other families because of their overwhelming sense of entitlement

          • Silly Old Bastard

            As I’ve said. A gay PR disaster. When you’re one in twenty,
            that’s a big problem.
            How many straights have gone along with gay demands because it wasn’t hurting anybody. Not the case is it? Expect more lack of support from this.
            Right then, lets scrutinise other CEOs. Make sure they have the gay lead around their necks so as not to step out of line. .

          • Sparkyu1

            If we refuse to speak out against the people who hurt us we may as well give up now. Equality has never been won by any group by them laying down and being stepped on.

            There is no difference between Eich and Orson Scott Card or Chick-fil-a or Barilla pasta or the innumerable bigots

            I will not play the placating game for “PR” that is ridiculous. If our equality is based on the approval of homophobes it will never be achieved, if our human rights are subject to what straight people decide we deserve then we don’t have rights at all

          • Silly Old Bastard

            Equality? You seriously think you’re unequal? SSM, and you’re still not happy. Maybe you never will be. Maybe you revel in your ‘hurt’. Your problem. No one else’s.

          • Sparkyu1

            And lo, the pointlessness of talking to straight bigots. If you can look at the world today and not see the inequality – the suicide rates, the deaths, the constant hate speech, the hate crimes then there’s no point at all in wasting yet more key strokes on you

          • Silly Old Bastard

            Goodbye then. But remember this, if you are not prepared to play the role of the victim, you are not a victim.

          • Colin

            I have to agree with Sparkyu1.

            I read many pf the submissions to UK Parliament covering equal marriage. I read stuff that honestly made me cry. I had no idea how educated Doctors, professors, men of learning could write such stuff to Parliament.

            We are still far from being accepted as equals. We must fight for it in every corner of society.

            Many of your comments to me do not stack up. If you apply that logic to slavery or colour then you see what I am getting at.

            We need equal rights. The world needs equal rights. They will not be given easily as small groups demand that their way is the only way creating gods.

            How many children kill themselves because of societies attitude to being gay. One day religion will be seen as bad. That will happen but not in my lifetime.

            The next fight is within education. Teaching young people that being gay, transexual etc is fine. Some excellent resources have ben developed but Teachers are refusing to teach it. Further religious schools are against it.

            Well I am in New Zealand at the moment and here parents are demanding that religion is an out of hours activity and a choice. A number of schools now teach religion out of hours. That is a positive step. Stop brainwashing children so we get thinking open adults.

            The world will change but slowly. We need a Global Human Rights charter. One day.

          • Silly Old Bastard

            Very eloquently put. How can any human deny those aspirations. But they will. And the extremists will take on your wants on your behalf, only they’ll add their own of course. What comes to mind is the age of consent lowered to 14,
            adoption on demand, the vetting of teachers, and of course,inquiry into whether CEOs have ‘their mind right’. The result is LGBT well on the way to becoming uber people. Think of the hostility that will produce, and add it to existing
            problems with the nineteen out of twenty who are not gay.

            I’m sorry you don’t feel equal. I feel I’m better than most, but that’s my arrogant intellect for you.

          • Colin

            Thanks for your reply.

            CEO’s and Chairmen of all companies should be vetted in my opinion. I lost two senior jobs. One in a very large private company as I tried to become FD. The other a public company in which I was FD. After turning around 8 loss making businesses in 8 different countries the chairman said I’ll have no gays on the Board. 4 weeks later I was gone. I could not prove anything and none of the other Directors would say anything. Explain to future employers why you “left” your last job.

            If I was 10 years younger I’d adopt. I love kids and they keep you young. I’ve just had two wonderful weeks looking after a 4 and a 2 year old boys on my own. My sisters kids. I loved every minute. To have a two year old snuggle into you and fight falling asleep on your shoulder is awesome. And the morning welcome..humbling.

            Vetting of teachers. I have 4 sisters two in education. Both sadly catho-holic school one head teacher. Both have gay daughters who they support well. Head Teacher will only listen to catholic church. She tried to be more pro gay and almost lost her job. Neither will speak out as if they loose job in catholic school no other school will touch them. Power of religion. Divisions within religion. The NZ way is better. NZ is a great country. We can learn from them in so many ways.

            I am better than most, my silly self belief. I am three chapters of a book to go as my “try” at putting a new perspective on Global Human Rights. It will probably never get published but I’ll self publish. I will try to my dieing breath to get change and a level playing field.

            I fought for equal marriage not because I want it. I fought for others, my gay neices and others as a stepping stone to equality. It’s not about me. It’s about all of “us”
            Best

          • Silly Old Bastard

            Disappointing to read your career path was thwarted. But then orientation joins gender, skin colour, ethnicity and religious persuasion as reasons for
            rejection. Not that it ever affected me at top level. As a single man with no dependants I long ago made the decision I would not break my back, so to speak,
            when I could be happier lower down the rung. I also decided long ago I would not fight a system that was unsympathetic to me. It was nothing personal against me,
            and that was a reassurance. Add to that I have always feared ridicule at
            personal life level. My great weakness is that I always wanted to fit in. Your
            book, try the universities humanities dept, and present it as work in progress.
            My cousin, a retired warrant officer in the army did that, a book on non
            combative army vehicles, though obviously not via humanities! You might be
            pleasantly surprised.

  • Colin

    I actually think we should now support Firefox. Wheels within wheels gave us this result. A good result I feel. We all have to stand by our belief systems. Millions of gay people have lost employment and more.

    Well done Firefox. I applaud your Chairwoman’s comments.

    • Derek North

      I had it uninstalled from all my personal and company computers, despite the fact that I like using it, however I could not in all conscience go on using it whilst this man was head of the company and despite Mozilla’s protestations of inclusivity I heard nothing from this man to convince me his opinions had changed.

      I now feel free to reinstall their product.

  • Keith Patrick Murphy

    Well that was a wise choice. Imagine what it could of nene like for the LGBT staff working for this back stabbing bigot

  • Dermot Mac Flannchaidh

    I migrated from Firefox to Chrome years ago because it had become too slow, too CPU-intensive, too memory-intensive. Strange thing is, Firefox has long been remarkably stable and uncrashable for me – it was just too bloated. I only keep it installed because of DownloadHelper.

    However, I have come to the conclusion that Firefox is still the better browser for Android, because Chrome for Android does not support addons at all.

    The funny thing is, even if Brendan Eich had remained CEO and it had become morally unacceptable to contribute to Mozilla, their software is open source and could have been forked by other developers unaffiliated with Mozilla. This has happened numerous times to open source software projects whose main developers did or said something that alienated large segments of their users. XFree86 was forked as X.Org. StarOffice was forked as OpenOffice, which was itself forked as LibreOffice. These things happen, and useful software manages to still get used and improved upon even as it outgrows its previous developers.

  • Neil Addison

    The only intolerant Bigots are the people such as the previous commentators who drove this man out merely because he has a point of view you disagree with. This is really worthy of the McCarthy period
    “Are you now, or have you at any time been a contributor to any campaign that the readers of Pink News would disagree with ?”

    This is an incredibly dangerous development where a person who has contributed to a perfectly legal campaign is driven out of his job by a co-ordinated hate fest

    • Beelzeebub

      A legal campaign to deny others rights is NOT a campaign worth anyone’s time or money.

      Idiot.

    • Yesh U R

      “A point of view you disagree with”. Making a contribution to a campaign to diminish the rights of others simply because of a religious conviction that is particular to oneself is not a “point of view” it is a considered and a determined action to impose your own religious “moral” dogma on the rest of society. So when the people that are being discriminated against take counter measures to prevent it, then don’t sit and snot bubble about how intolerant they are to do that. Mr. Addison I disagree with your “point of view” but I am not looking to donate funds to an organisation that will strip you of the right to have it, and there is the crucial difference.

    • Truth

      You appear to be a self-loather … brainwashed to believe that you are somehow inferior to every other person on the planet because you are gay. Suppose this bigot had donated to the KKK … or some other group opposed to EQUALITY. Would you be so defensive of him then? Stop being happy as a second-class citizen. Get some therapy to undo whatever it was in your childhood that damaged your self-esteem so badly. Be proud and defensive of those who would fight for EQUAL HUMAN RIGHTS.

      • Rodrigo Ferrer

        I didn’t see (Neil Addison’s) comment as coming from a self -loathing, brainwashed -inferior for being gay etc.. (you insulted him from top to bottom for having a different opinion to yours)… nor did I read in his comment that he was “defending” the CEO (ex CEO)- That was more a “matter of fact” opinion on how worked up and hysterical some gays react nowadays to someone’s negative or private views towards homosexuality. These bigot-lynchings (Mozilla, Chick-fil-A, Barilla) take away from the real issues affecting the LGBT community.
        Why aren’t we campaigning this heavily against the Republicans, or UKIP, or The Tea Party folk, The Catholic Right, etc?

      • Neil Addison

        Truth: Your response has rather proves my point that it is the opponents of the CEO of Mozilla, such as yourself, who are the intolerant bigots. Judging from the hysteria in your reply I rather feel that you are the one who needs therapy

      • Silly Old Bastard

        You. I’ve posted about this topic around here. Read the posts. They apply to you too.

    • Sparkyu1

      “Point of view” = thinks I am worthy of less rights and actively campaigned and donated money to deny LGBT people those rights.

      And in return we expressed OUR point of view

      How come him actively campaigning against LGBT people is a “point of view”, while us merely saying we disagree with that is “driving him out”?

  • http://www.bloketoys.co.uk/ BlokeToys.co.uk

    Having watched this playing out on other sites, and the comments people are making about the “liberal fascism” and attacks on “freedom of religion” it’s clear that many American’s are incapable of seeing what this story is actually about.

    This is not about the religious opinions the man has, this is about the act of removing rights from other people under the guise of religious belief.

    The whole Prop 8 thing should never have happened. It should not be possible for one group of people to lobby government to remove the rights of others when they are not impacted in the slightest by those freedoms and rights.

    I do not like religion, but does that mean I have the right to lobby to have all Christians reduced to second class citizens because of it? No. In the same way, these people should not have the opportunity to inflict their religious opinions on society and remove the rights of other people.

    Having religious beliefs and opinions is one thing, and no one should be encouraged out of their employment because of that. But this is not about his opinions, this is about his activities in trying to inflict religious rules onto others through bullying, wealth and influence. It’s absolutely right that sane and intelligent people did not feel comfortable working underneath his leadership.

    He displayed active bigotry in his actions, and he refused to acknowledge that. People can believe whatever they want to believe, follow whatever religion they want to follow, but when they actively work to remove the rights of others they deserve absolutely no respect and no trust.

    I personally wouldn’t trust this many any more than I would trust someone who donates to the KKK.

    • Truth

      EXACTLY correct!

  • gingerlycolors

    This just shows what people power can do. It is not just straight people who pay other peoples’ wages through buying their services. As well as publishing lists of LGBT friendly employers, Stonewall should also publish lists of the most LGBT friendly companies when it comes to customer service, and also those that are not LGBT friendly so that we can give them a wide berth.

  • wickedeggs

    Grumpy Cat: Good!

  • Raycol

    Be careful who you call a bigot. Actually you may be the bigot.

  • common sense

    am I really the only one who is uncomfortable with this?

    There are many potent homophobes in America, many in elected office and quite a few in senior business positions where they wield a LOT of power that can really impact negatively on our lives. we should be focussing our energy on them.

    But Catholic opponents of equal marriage? Particularly when the same individuals do not actually hate gay people and have worked for years in an organisation that wholeheartedly supports gay rights. Are we really that intolerant?

    • Sparkyu1

      Intolerant?

      The man donated money to a campaign to deny LGBT people their rights – expressed zero regret or any indication he wouldn’t do the same again

      Why are we supposed to be happy with people who actively campaign against equality? Who donate resources to fight our equality? Should we all support Chick-fil-a and watch Ender’s Game for fear of us being “intolerant” in not accepting homophobic campaigns?

      • common sense

        of course you dont have to support him. but this witchhunt with feiry pitchforks until he resigns is just rather over the top. The reality is that a LOT of prominent Catholics and Mormons donated to Prop 8. are they all now to be run out of public life?

        • Sparkyu1

          What fiery pitch forks? What witch hunt? What we did was refuse to support him and not speak. We didn’t run people out of public life. We spoke. We refused to support them

          So what do you want? Either you’re demanding we shut up and support bigots – or it’s ok for us to decide not to support a company and to say as much on social media – because that is all we did.

        • Colin

          Actually yes. We are talking about human rights being applied to everyone not subsets of society. It should be the first global right.

          I want to see a register of religion for all public sector offices and jobs.

          I am an athiest.

  • Sparkyu1

    Good

    Mozilla chose a man who had actively campaigned against LGBT people’s rights to be their leader. LGBT people and their allies decided we did not want to be affiliated with this man and said so – and moved to other options (just like over Barilla pasta or Chick-fil-a or Orson Scott Card).

    He has the freedom to say what he wants or donate to whatever cause he wants – and we have the freedom to criticise that and refuse to associate with him

  • Antony Masters

    On FB, his supporters are confused with ‘free speech’ and
    what Brendan did, which was to take action against a group to deny them their
    human rights. Saying something and doing
    something are very separate acts. Brendan took action and is now paying the price,
    which in today’s society of inclusive, equality and rights, should happen. CEOs
    should lead by example, not by outdated bigotry. I was so happy when he resigned, but now have
    to reinstall FF on 3 machines…

  • Antony Masters

    On FB, his supporters are confused with ‘free speech’ and
    what Brendan did, which was to take action against a group to deny them their
    human rights. Saying something and doing
    something are very separate acts. Brendan took action and is now paying the price,
    which in today’s society of inclusive, equality and rights, should happen. CEOs
    should lead by example, not by outdated bigotry. I was so happy when he resigned, but now have
    to reinstall FF on 3 machines…

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